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..Super Smash Bros. for N64, I decided today, is one good game. But... which character is the best? After you have voted please state why. (The poll might take some time, so don't worry)...

As for me, I believe Captain Falcon is probably the best, but my favorite character is Ness. Psi magnet....

If you would like to try this game on your computer, you can go here:

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Now the first question people always give me is "Is this legal?" Yes, it's perfectly legal. I can't show you exactly how to download, but I will be as general as possible: Download the N64 emulator first, then the Super Smash Bros. Rom...

(edit) Sorry, seems I have forgotten Kirby by mistake, you'll just have to post...

My friend was the master with Ness that game - I perfer Link myself

tag so I remember to play the game

It's one of the good games that I forgot to download.

Ah, yes, someone has chosen Jigglypuff.. I have never been able to master that Down-B move, but it's worth it..

OK, wheres peach, she IS the best character.

Oh yeah, it's great; my N64 is sitting behind me. I'm best with Luigi, followed by Pikachu, Captain Falcon, and Kirby. Then again, anyone can be good with Kirby; he's pretty much the god mod character.

Probably Captain Falcon or Fox is the best, but I like Fox the best, both in the 64 and GC versions.

OK, wheres peach, she IS the best character.

That's Melee for Gamecube, Peach is awesome character there too...

I'm best off with Pikachu, only because he was all I used in SSB64, until I became more of a Nintendo freak. Nowadays, I use Chu with Link, and sometimes Mario (same goes for SSBM)

OK, wheres peach, she IS the best character.

In the new one Sheik is the best, 1v1 anyway, no one can compete with her speed, not even Peach's incredible power and floating.

Well if i cant have peach it of course HAS to be Kirby, my long time N64 Char.

Ill vote for him then, and of course does not everyone think that for the next one we need a King DeDeDe.

OK am i blind or is there no Kirby either... whats with you people :P

Dude! what about curby? He owned he didn't even make the vote list.

I just wish I could get a Gamecube; I would definitely get Melee.

Link pwns all, although if you know how to use him in the GC version Yoshi can kick serious ass too.

Woops. Sorry bout that. My mistake.. I'll see if I can add him, sorry, I can't believe I forgot him, third fav character...

Samus kicks absolute arse. Long ranged moves, that just get better at point blank. Not many combos but the individual moves do damage, and she has great pushing moves. Also, you practically need to knock Samus right out of the map to stand a chance of getting her out. Used correctly she can get back in the map from basically anywhere. And she's quick enough to get out the way of anything.

Samus > you all.

Link pwns all, although if you know how to use him in the GC version Yoshi can kick serious ass too.

Fast and powerful, what more can you ask for?

Samus kicks absolute arse. Long ranged moves, that just get better at point blank. Not many combos but the individual moves do damage, and she has great pushing moves. Also, you practically need to knock Samus right out of the map to stand a chance of getting her out. Used correctly she can get back in the map from basically anywhere. And she's quick enough to get out the way of anything.

Samus > you all.
What's your highest on endless melee with her?

For me:

Link - 327

DK - 2436 - used only ground slap so I don't really consider this legit.

I can't remember. I should say that I don't play very well as Samus at multi-man melees, but she is completely unbeatable at duels. It's probably just over one hundred or something, but I tend to play multiplayer games against one person.

I don't remember SSB64, but in SSBM, Marth and Roy are pretty awesome, followed by Ganondorf and Captain Falcon.

The most useless characters are Pichu, Dr. Mario, Jigglypuff, Young Link...did I mention Jigglypuff?

On the subject of Marth and Roy, they are the two most fun characters to duel with. At first, Marth seems to have the advantage, but with skill and time, slowly it revolves to Roy. It's just when you start to master counter and all of their moves, they are fantastically good fun to play as. Still can't beat Samus though in a duel, though they can probably hammer her in a four player match.

Plus Roy is cute :P

I don't remember SSB64, but in SSBM, Marth and Roy are pretty awesome, followed by Ganondorf and Captain Falcon.

The most useless characters are Pichu, Dr. Mario, Jigglypuff, Young Link...did I mention Jigglypuff?

Young Link... useless? It's a matter of speed and skill. Not as strong and not as long of a reach as Adult Link, but there's no touching me with Young Link.

In SSBM, I would prefer Ganondorf. In SSB though, its either Kirby or Captain Falcon.

Gannondorf rocks! He takes some skill to control, but he'll shred anything he's up against.

I'm pretty much a link guy, but I won't say no to Samus.

Of you poor deluded fools... Jigglypuff, bad? Pichu, bad? Marth and Roy best for dueling? (Admittedly, a lot of fun, and you can watch strategies evolve and counterevolve over time, which insteresting, but still, Fox and Sheik own Marth and Roy for duels) Samus, best character?

You've all got it wrong... now if only there was a way to prove it...

Oh well, suffice it to say that there isn't a single character in the game that is entirely bad, except maybe Mew Two, although he can be very powerful when used correctly, just not as good as any of the other characters used correctly.

I don't remember SSB64, but in SSBM, Marth and Roy are pretty awesome, followed by Ganondorf and Captain Falcon.

The most useless characters are Pichu, Dr. Mario, Jigglypuff, Young Link...did I mention Jigglypuff?

Jigglypuff: Strongest shield.

Dr. is so much better than Regular..

I don't know about Pichu, slightly more damage or speed than Pik?

Young Link- faster, fire arrows..

Jigglypuff: Strongest shield.

I don't know about Pichu, slightly more damage or speed than Pik?

Young Link- faster, fire arrows..

Let's not forget Jigglypuff's down+b, which is remarkably easy to hit with some practice, and which kills anything with around 50% damage or more in one hit.

Pichu is faster and does more damage than Pikachu, so to balance they made him damage himself and made him the lightest character in the game, but his double agility up+b goes so far that it hardly matters, I rarely die with less than 250% damage as Pichu, higher than almost any other character.

Faster and with a better set of moves.

I like Kirby and Link.

The most useless characters are Pichu, Dr. Mario, Jigglypuff, Young Link...did I mention Jigglypuff?Jigglypuff?
Jerk off.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever managed to beat Giga Bowser in super smash bros?

Yes, you need to go Jigglypuff and use the down b move. It's very easy when you do that. The hard part is killing mewtwo as Jigglypuff when you never usually play as that character.

Yes, you need to go Jigglypuff and use the down b move. It's very easy when you do that. The hard part is killing mewtwo as Jigglypuff when you never usually play as that character.

Yeah, but I'm useless with Jigglypuff. I might be able to beat Giga Bowser as Jigglypuff but I can't actually get to him.

I love to play as fox. Down-b and everyone gets right off of your back. Also, my brother uses Samus and refleting the charged shot back at him just makes my day.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever managed to beat Giga Bowser in super smash bros?

It's really easy with Jigglypuff, it takes two hits from the down+b to kill gigabowser each time, then fighting Mewtwo and Ganadorf is much easier.

Let's clear some of this up, downloading the game is illegal. :)
If you own the game, you are entitled to a backup copy, therefore it is only legal for YOU to download it. And anyway, you can only keep the game on your computer for 24 hours. If caught breaking the rules, you will be fined the original price of the game and the ROM will be taken off your computer.

Let's clear some of this up, downloading the game is illegal. :)
If you own the game, you are entitled to a backup copy, therefore it is only legal for YOU to download it. And anyway, you can only keep the game on your computer for 24 hours. If caught breaking the rules, you will be fined the original price of the game and the ROM will be taken off your computer.
Thing is, no one goes after the people who ROM games except for the latest consoles, like Gamecube, PS2, X-Box, and GBA. Otherwise, since they're not going to make any real money off their older console games, they ignore those, usually.

Let's clear some of this up, downloading the game is illegal. :)
If you own the game, you are entitled to a backup copy, therefore it is only legal for YOU to download it. And anyway, you can only keep the game on your computer for 24 hours. If caught breaking the rules, you will be fined the original price of the game and the ROM will be taken off your computer.

And how in the world is that enforced? It's just like every other illegal thing on the internet, unless you're doing millions of dollars in damage it's just not worth it to track you down and prosecute you.

in the origional samus is great but in melle peach is god

Old game: Samus New game: SHeik and Marth. Let's see anyone try and beat me when I'm fighting with them.

Jigglypuff is AMAZING in SSB. Can you say 'Jump above opponent, down+b, repeat'?

Down-B, when above an opponent (or whatever the sleep move is), is almost instantly fatal. It does INSANE damage. Jigglypuff was my best character because he was SO CHEAP. Luigi was also amazing with his up-B -- positioned correctly it only did a bit less damage than the down-b of Jigglypuff.

My favorite all-around character, though, was Ness, because he could hit you from ANYWHERE. If you were behind him, Down-A. If you drop down on him, up-A. If you're in front of him, FORWARD A GG NO RE KTHNXBYE.

<3 the bat.

And he had the best throws in the game. No doubt about it.

Old game: Samus New game: SHeik and Marth. Let's see anyone try and beat me when I'm fighting with them.

Unimpressive. Sheik is so incredibly broken in SSBM it's unfair... and I LIKE using Sheik. You have to acknowledge that when using him/her.

Sheik is terribly broken.

EDIT: Pichu is terrible in SSBM? Clearly you've never seen me play as him. I got good with Pichu PRECISELY because everyone says he sucks. Hell, I like him MORE than Pikachu.

Unimpressive. Sheik is so incredibly broken in SSBM it's unfair... and I LIKE using Sheik. You have to acknowledge that when using him/her.

Sheik is terribly broken.

Yeah, not that well balanced, unlike the rest of the game. Sheik is incredible, and since you can switch back to Zelda to finish, or to play against certain opposing characters, it's just way too good.

DK was a monster in that game

DK was a monster in that game

So much power.

kirby rocked.

SSB is the best party/sleepover game ever.

I was the shit with Pikachu back in the day, but my fave character was Mario because he's Mario.

Samus. In both the old and in SSBM.

On a fighting scale... well wait, Sheik? You people crazy? Sheik and his/her twin sister/brother are nothing, man, nothing. Reflecting shots back at Samus? Chuckle chuckle, I don't shoot that way and when I do, I make sure to be ready to evade. The ball mode bit is an incredibly fun mode of movement shifting, and when used unpredictably and for evasion it's really, not even very fair IMO.

Only Link really comes close to the ultimate superiority of Samus, though of course all characters can be used effectively. No character is so ultimately, universally (for all players) powerful that it totally dominates otherwise we'd all agree on which one that was, wouldn't we?

As for class and style, well Samus is the chick in power armor. The rest are all freaks.

Samus. In both the old and in SSBM.

On a fighting scale... well wait, Sheik? You people crazy? Sheik and his/her twin sister/brother are nothing, man, nothing. Reflecting shots back at Samus? Chuckle chuckle, I don't shoot that way and when I do, I make sure to be ready to evade. The ball mode bit is an incredibly fun mode of movement shifting, and when used unpredictably and for evasion it's really, not even very fair IMO.

Only Link really comes close to the ultimate superiority of Samus, though of course all characters can be used effectively. No character is so ultimately, universally (for all players) powerful that it totally dominates otherwise we'd all agree on which one that was, wouldn't we?

As for class and style, well Samus is the chick in power armor. The rest are all freaks.

Zelda and Sheik aren't good because of the reflecting move, they're good because Zelda is extremely powerful and Sheik is extremely fast. Pit two players of equal skill against each other, one using Zelda and the other using Samus and Zelda will win 9 out of 10 times.

Zelda and Sheik aren't good because of the reflecting move, they're good because Zelda is extremely powerful and Sheik is extremely fast. Pit two players of equal skill against each other, one using Zelda and the other using Samus and Zelda will win 9 out of 10 times.

See, that's not the problem. The problem is that you're wrong. Sheik is extremely fast AND extremely powerful, and therein lies the imbalance.

See, that's not the problem. The problem is that you're wrong. Sheik is extremely fast AND extremely powerful, and therein lies the imbalance.

Sheik does very little damage and has only one or two good finishing moves, but because she is so fast it doesn't matter, she can hit you ten times as fast as a normal character could hit five, so she does as much damage as anyone else, but keeps the other person out of control for the whole time, then you can either switch to Zelda to finish with a smash, or you can do the forward+A in the air to kill them off the side.

Sheik does very little damage and has only one or two good finishing moves, but because she is so fast it doesn't matter, she can hit you ten times as fast as a normal character could hit five, so she does as much damage as anyone else, but keeps the other person out of control for the whole time, then you can either switch to Zelda to finish with a smash, or you can do the forward+A in the air to kill them off the side.

Have you used Sheik's aerial moves or charged up his/her smash moves? Sheik's pretty powerful... and is so quick that you can't hit him/her.

Have you used Sheik's aerial moves or charged up his/her smash moves? Sheik's pretty powerful... and is so quick that you can't hit him/her.

The up+A in the air is a decent finisher... come to think of it, just about all her air attacks are decent, but the forward+a is the best. I have a few hundred hours of play time, probably about 50 with Sheik alone, so yes, I've tried most everything. There is no doubt that Sheik is unbalanced, and I never really use Zelda, but the fact that Sheik is so good without using the Zelda half at all just shows that she's even further unbalanced.

Pit two players of equal skill against each other, one using Zelda and the other using Samus and Zelda will win 9 out of 10 times.

No, because that is exactly what me and my friends did with all of the characters. Samus fared the best. And yes, we had equal skill.

What's the best deal for a Gamecube and SSBM combined? I want to spend as little money as possible purchasing them.

Kirby!!!! Go Kirby!!! Kirby!!!!

No, because that is exactly what me and my friends did with all of the characters. Samus fared the best. And yes, we had equal skill.

I have seen some very good players with Samus, but none that could compete with a good Marth, Sheik, or Fox.

I have seen some very good players with Samus, but none that could compete with a good Marth, Sheik, or Fox.

Oh well of course, my Samus must be better than "very good." ;) :p :D

Oh well of course, my Samus must be better than "very good." ;) :p :D

Actually, the explaination of why Samus won for you is probably that even with players of the same skills as each other certain characters are good based on the skill of all players. In other words, beginning players with Marth can beat experienced players with other characters, but beginners with Luigi won't do as well. So Luigi might seem worse than Marth if you test every character against every other character using beginners, but if you test with experts Luigi will beat Marth much more often. Samus is another of those easy beginning characters, strong moves, medium-fast, a lot of power, not too complicated move set, nice and easy, and very powerful in the hands of a beginning crowd, but nothing compared to the really good characters (Marth {he's always good}, Fox, Peach, Luigi, Yoshi, Captain Falcon, Young Link, The Ice Climbers {speaking of power}, Ness, Zelda/Sheik, Pichu, and Jigglypuff... that's a lot of characters, but they're all so good).

Actually, the explaination of why Samus won for you is probably that even with players of the same skills as each other certain characters are good based on the skill of all players.

If thats true, then that also serves as an explanation for why you think the characters of Marth, Fox, Peach, Luigi, Yoshi etc etc are better than Samus. I mean who says Samus is a "beginning character?" Or that I was playing with a "beginning crowd?" Samus isn't and I wasn't.

that's a lot of characters, but they're all so good).

That's really the thing, they are all good. Even Samus.

Well, especially Samus. ;)

Indeed. I clocked up 1600 hours as Samus, playing against someone who always plays as Sheik for roughly the same amount of time.

Contrary to what was said, it was me, the Samus player, who lost in the beginning, and now, in a 25 life match, I rarely go below ten.

If thats true, then that also serves as an explanation for why you think the characters of Marth, Fox, Peach, Luigi, Yoshi etc etc are better than Samus. I mean who says Samus is a "beginning character?" Or that I was playing with a "beginning crowd?" Samus isn't and I wasn't.

I'm not saying you aren't good at the game, I'm saying that if you look at the best players around you won't find anyone playing as Samus, she's just not fast or powerful enough, though she is very good. She should have been on my list, I just skipped her absentmindedly because I was listing them in my head.

That's really the thing, they are all good. Even Samus.

Well, especially Samus. ;)

That's what I love about the game, it's very well balanced, and there is no doubt that Samus is good, I just don't believe that she is the best.

Indeed. I clocked up 1600 hours as Samus, playing against someone who always plays as Sheik for roughly the same amount of time.

Contrary to what was said, it was me, the Samus player, who lost in the beginning, and now, in a 25 life match, I rarely go below ten.

Player dynamics are very important. The play style of each person as well as their ability, and their relationship outside of the game all factor into how they interact within the game. I don't think there is any way to make an objective comparison of any two characters except to put them into the hands of many players and see how they work out in the long run.

Show Me Yer Moves!

That's what I love about the game, it's very well balanced, and there is no doubt that Samus is good, I just don't believe that she is the best.


Exactly. It really isnt based on the basic attacks of the character; its about the different strategies that you deploy with that character. There are infinite strategies and its impossible to see which one is the best. Ordinarily, people would say that Ganondorf is a slow character, but in my hands, I surprise people with how quick I can deploy his attacks.

Ness is my fighter of choice in both games...

In fact, I'm so inclined to play as Ness, that I hardly ever touch the rest of the characters (only when I get tired of beating the pants off of people with Ness...lol)

They watered him down quite a bit for Melee, though, which I wasn't too happy about, but oh well, he's still awesome...

Link has always been, and always will be, my favorite Super Smash Bros. character and overall video game character.

Link has always been, and always will be, my favorite Super Smash Bros. character and overall video game character.

Link's.... alright.... But he's no Barney Calhoun. None are above Barney!

old game... but jigglypuff is the bes of those listed... ;)
otherwise it's kirby, but he wasn't listed. :sniper:

Ness is my fighter of choice in both games...

In fact, I'm so inclined to play as Ness, that I hardly ever touch the rest of the characters (only when I get tired of beating the pants off of people with Ness...lol)

They watered him down quite a bit for Melee, though, which I wasn't too happy about, but oh well, he's still awesome...

Ness can take a beating in the new game, and does a lot of damage with simple attacks like his dash and his air attacks, so you usually only have to get off one good baseball bat attack to kill.

I hate Ness. He just looks like... bleh. I usually play with Roy, but I play well with Link or Fox too.