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It's patriotic to take your kid to a war rally, but buying them a violent video is immoral because it will corrupt their fragile little minds.

Doublethink.

As a follower of Chick logic is not something i have to worry about.

This is the word of Chick

In other words, those with clouded minds do not need to worry about two things at once.

Those were not the words of Chick

If someone did provide a logical explanation for that, would you accept it?

whazzat?

If someone did provide a logical explanation for that, would you accept it?


I think he meant 'sense' rather than logic.

Really, logic can be twisted just as easily.

See creatinists

If someone did provide a logical explanation for that, would you accept it?

As an explanation, yes. Whether I agree with it or not, is different.

Really, logic can be twisted just as easily.

See creatinists
Except they still haven't managed to prove anything.
It's not really the logic that matters, it's the logical proofs.

Except they still haven't managed to prove anything.
It's not really the logic that matters, it's the logical proofs.
Exactly. They come to their conclusions using logic, but base their logic on unsound ground, and carry it through with misunderstanding and lies, but logical it none the less is.

the logic is this, as long as nobody does anything bad, it's okay

Exactly. They come to their conclusions using logic, but base their logic on unsound ground, and carry it through with misunderstanding and lies, but logical it none the less is.
Okay.
I thought you were saying something totally different.
I understand what you're saying now.

Okay.
I thought you were saying something totally different.
I understand what you're saying now.
It just allowed me to vent a little of my spleen at creationists, when is that ever a bad thing.

It just allowed me to vent a little of my spleen at creationists, when is that ever a bad thing.
:D

As an explanation, yes. Whether I agree with it or not, is different.

I was a little wary as to whether you were just looking for an argument.

War can be viewed as a collective movement through politics, whereas the violence in most games can be viewed as counter productive and detrimental to society.

I am not saying that I completely agree, but that is where I think the two are distinguished.

I was a little wary as to whether you were just looking for an argument.

War can be viewed as a collective movement through politics, whereas the violence in most games can be viewed as counter productive and detrimental to society.

I am not saying that I completely agree, but that is where I think the two are distinguished.


Ironic, really. You don't want your kids to act out violent urges in a harmless fantasy simulation, but you're only too happy to not merely take them you can send them off to kill and die in the name of your country only too happily. Actually, it's quite sad too, isn't it?

It's patriotic to take your kid to a war rally, but buying them a violent video is immoral because it will corrupt their fragile little minds.

You need to have a third argument in there that links the two halves before there's an actual logical problem.

Technically, the two statements made in that sentance are completely unrelated. Taking your kid to a war rally may well be patriotic (depending on how one defines that term), but that doesn't make it moral (or immoral for that matter).

By the same token, corrupting the minds of children with violent videogames can't really be stated flat out to be either patriotic or otherwise. (Though the US military has created a violent videogame specifically to boost recruitment, so to their minds, I'd guess it would qualify as patriotic...)

That asside, it depends on a few things. 1: How do you define patriotism? Is patriotism moral? Immoral? Amoral? 2: Is the "corruption" caused by the existance of violence or the depiction of it? (presuming it exists at all)

If patriotism is blinding supporting your government, and patriotism is good (which seems to be the predominant american philosophy from what I can tell), and directly observing/participating in quasi-realistic violence harms children's minds, but does it in a way that is usefull to the government/military in the long run, then both concepts work well together.

Personally, I find most forms of patriotism I see/hear about in the American media to be more disturbing than any violent videogame I've yet run accross.

As a follower of Chick logic is not something i have to worry about.

This is the word of Chick

In other words, those with clouded minds do not need to worry about two things at once.

Those were not the words of Chick

I must inquire into the nature of this "Chick." I saw a reference to "Chick/God" in another thread, and was confused, but now I must understand.

I must inquire into the nature of this "Chick." I saw a reference to "Chick/God" in another thread, and was confused, but now I must understand.

Weclome to my curios Chick smear campaign, his words are available here.

http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp

I personally find it so funny that i was forced into my current course of action, which is to claim that he is God.

You need to have a third argument in there that links the two halves before there's an actual logical problem.

Technically, the two statements made in that sentance are completely unrelated. Taking your kid to a war rally may well be patriotic (depending on how one defines that term), but that doesn't make it moral (or immoral for that matter).

By the same token, corrupting the minds of children with violent videogames can't really be stated flat out to be either patriotic or otherwise. (Though the US military has created a violent videogame specifically to boost recruitment, so to their minds, I'd guess it would qualify as patriotic...)

That asside, it depends on a few things. 1: How do you define patriotism? Is patriotism moral? Immoral? Amoral? 2: Is the "corruption" caused by the existance of violence or the depiction of it? (presuming it exists at all)

If patriotism is blinding supporting your government, and patriotism is good (which seems to be the predominant american philosophy from what I can tell), and directly observing/participating in quasi-realistic violence harms children's minds, but does it in a way that is usefull to the government/military in the long run, then both concepts work well together.

Personally, I find most forms of patriotism I see/hear about in the American media to be more disturbing than any violent videogame I've yet run accross.

Glorifying real violence while speaking against animated violence on the grounds that it will lead to real violence is an incoherent and contradictory position. Either violence is good and should be promoted, by rallies and the playing of video games (this is from the mindset that violent games lead to violent people, which I dispute), or violence is bad, and should be opposed by not going to rallies and not playing violent games.

The distinction comes in the fact that the people who go to war rallies and refuse to buy their kids violent video games are perfectly happy to ignore, or even support violence elsewhere, but violence at home is unacceptable. Basically it's the sign of a consistent, but immoral view of violence, "good as long as a profit, bad as long as I lose."

Weclome to my curios Chick smear campaign, his words are available here.

http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp

I personally find it so funny that i was forced into my current course of action, which is to claim that he is God.

Well... I'm less confused about some things, and more confused about others. This Chick Tract, and witnessing make a little bit of sense, but why you're on a "Chick smear campaign" and how you were forced into claiming that he (the author I assume) is God, is way beyond me.

Well... I'm less confused about some things, and more confused about others. This Chick Tract, and witnessing make a little bit of sense, but why you're on a "Chick smear campaign" and how you were forced into claiming that he (the author I assume) is God, is way beyond me.

Its a whole ironic thing, but as to why im "forced" to do it, i give into my impulses easily.

I think all logic has left this thread with the arrival of the chick tract things.

Its a whole ironic thing, but as to why im "forced" to do it, i give into my impulses easily.

I get the irony of it... sort of... but it's still strange. I think your campaign would be more effective if you just wrote to this Chick guy and told him you thought he was God, then you could exchange a long series of letters in which he tries to convince you that Jesus is Lord while you try to convince him that he is in fact Jesus reborn. It'd be great fun, I'm sure, as well as throwing one enormous proverbial monkey wrench into that guys gears.

As to how giving into your impluses is being force... well, I'll just pretend I understand and move on.

I think all logic has left this thread with the arrival of the chick tract things.

They're like intelligence vampires, they suck it up to survive, but everyone else dies.

It's patriotic to take your kid to a war rally, but buying them a violent video is immoral because it will corrupt their fragile little minds.

Ah, but what if it's a videogame where you have to "neutralize" peaceniks, towelheads and communists before they threaten a war rally?

Please continue with your thread without Chick.

And as for the idea of writing to Chick and telling him i believe he is God... Genius pure genius i love it.

And as for the idea of writing to Chick and telling him i believe he is God... Genius pure genius i love it.

Why thank you. :)

It's patriotic to take your kid to a war rally, but buying them a violent video is immoral because it will corrupt their fragile little minds.

Doublethink.
I suspect that those who would take a child to a pro war rally are the same ones who would buy their child violent video games. On the other hand those who would attend anti-war protests with their young would also be opposed to violent games. Just a thought-no facts to back it up.

Please continue with your thread without Chick.

And as for the idea of writing to Chick and telling him i believe he is God... Genius pure genius i love it.
Oh, hell yes.
Let's give Our Earth a round of applause!
*clapclapclap*

It's patriotic to take your kid to a war rally, but buying them a violent video is immoral because it will corrupt their fragile little minds.

Doublethink.
Hmm. Well, it mainly depends on several factors. How old is the kid for one? If below 11 or so, they probably shouldn't see really violent movies unless they are unusually precocious. Especially as a war rally could be seen as supporting the rational for the war, as well as supporting the troops, especially if they have a family member in the war. There is also no actual violence at most war rallys, I certainly haven't heard of any. Also, they might not have either the money for a sitter, or they couldn't find one. Above 11, it mainly becomes a child by child issue simply because some children are naturally more mature and stable than others.