NationStates Jolt Archive

I'm just wondering what your views are on this black variation of the religion that has been known to hate white people. Hopefully a debate will start.

Never heard of them. Sound like losers though.

the religion that has been known to hate white people.

???

My view is that idiocy defies race. :)

Extremists/fundamentalists exist in every religion and are a liability to them. They get the coverage from the media and then people begin to think that one religion is crazy, odd, dangerous, etc because a few wackos who misinterpret their holy books go on a rampage or destroy something or kill people. Islam is just in the forefron because of 9/11 and terrorism but they all exist.

Yah. Corrupted Islamic movement, African-American Nationalists.

Lost all credibility, and membership and limelight faded away in the late eighties.

They were pretty interesting. You should look them up.

Extremists/fundamentalists exist in every religion and are a liability to them. They get the coverage from the media and then people begin to think that one religion is crazy, odd, dangerous, etc because a few wackos who misinterpret their holy books go on a rampage or destroy something or kill people. Islam is just in the forefron because of 9/11 and terrorism but they all exist.

that has nothing to do with anything.

No offense, but do you know anything about Nation of Islam?

I don't like them because they are incendiary, violence-inciting racists. They are almost like the black people's version of the KKK.

My view is that idiocy defies race. :)

Haha! Word up.

that has nothing to do with anything.

No offense, but do you know anything about Nation of Islam?



They are an extremist group of black muslims, are they not?

I don't like them because they are incendiary, violence-inciting racists. They are almost like the black people's version of the KKK.


That's actually a very good way to describe them. It works on so many levels, actually, although they were never as violent as the KKK, the most certainly responsible for inciting there share of violence, and certainly could have done more.

I don't like them because they are incendiary, violence-inciting racists. They are almost like the black people's version of the KKK.

They are the black version of the Klueless Klutz Klan.

They are an extremist group of black muslims, are they not?


I just said that!

But what you said was off topic.

And they were not black muslims, they were African American muslims.

There's a huge difference.

Example: Coate D'Ivoire.

Tons of black muslims, but no African American muslims.

They are the black version of the Klueless Klutz Klan.


pretty much.

I just said that!

But what you said was off topic.

And they were not black muslims, they were African American muslims.

There's a huge difference.

Example: Coate D'Ivoire.

Tons of black muslims, but no African American muslims.




Wow, I'm really in the mood for a lecture now :rolleyes:. So they are based in the US then, if they are African American. Wow, imagine them and the Klan meeting up.

Alexias sums them up perfectly. I really haven't seen any of them or heard anything from them for well over a decade. They used to solicit membership regularly in a neighborhood I worked in that had a large African-American population. I never saw any acting violent but their rhetoric was devisive. Although I'm sure the still have their adherants, I can't say I'm sorry they faded away.

If your not in the mood for a lecture, run away right now. Smash your computer monitor. Quickly!


It would be funny if them and the clan met up. Maybe theyed kill each other out and we'd be rid of them(KKK, Nation of Islam) forever.

Sadly, they never operated in the same place as the Klan.

Alexias sums them up perfectly. I really haven't seen any of them or heard anything from them for well over a decade. They used to solicit membership regularly in a neighborhood I worked in that had a large African-American population. I never saw any acting violent but their rhetoric was devisive. Although I'm sure the still have their adherants, I can't say I'm sorry they faded away.


wow, really?

Around were I live, there are not enough blacks and to many Persian,Desi and Arab muslims for it to ever take off, so I never actually seen any of them. Interesting must have been.

I can't say I'm that sad that there gone either.

Try to recruit mostly young, poor blacks, I right?

So with all this sentiment against them, what's everyone's opinion on Malcom X being taught as a "great african american" in schools, along with people who actually did something like Dr. King. How can someone like Malcom X, who basically said that JFK deserved to be shot after he was assassinated, be considered an American hero?

So with all this sentiment against them, what's everyone's opinion on Malcom X being taught as a "great african american" in schools, along with people who actually did something like Dr. King. How can someone like Malcom X, who basically said that JFK deserved to be shot after he was assassinated, be considered an American hero?

Malcolm X was a racist prick, pure and simple.

No he wasn't.

He said that a good society needed white people aswell as black people.

Malcom X quit Nation of Islam after there big leaders sex scandel.

He said forever afterward that he regretted his membership there more than anything, because he converted so many.



But call Malcom X racist just because you'd be afraid of him?

No, not right.

Malcom X was a brilliant speaker and, overall, a good human being, especially after his journey to Mecca, but he clearly, at least in his youth, was not fond overmuch of whites.

But yeah, the only place I really hear about the Nation of Islam anymore is in prisons, where they seem to have calmed down a little.

Malcolm X - Abrasive, could be a bit of an asshole at times, but who isn't? On the whole, a good guy.


Louis Farrakhan - Complete and utter asshole who needs to have his ass kicked.

Malcolm X was a racist prick, pure and simple.
He got over his racism later in life. Specifically after he completed the haj to mecca.

Malcolm X - Abrasive, could be a bit of an asshole at times, but who isn't? On the whole, a good guy.


Louis Farrakhan - Complete and utter asshole who needs to have his ass kicked.
Farrakhan beleives whites were an experiment by an evil black scientist, and that there is a mothership piloted by Elijah Muhammad, one of the first black muslim leaders, that will destroy the "white man's" cities and make earth a paradise for blacks. Real fruit loop.

Yah. Corrupted Islamic movement, African-American Nationalists.

Lost all credibility, and membership and limelight faded away in the late eighties.

They were pretty interesting. You should look them up.


They aren't gone, they sell their newspaper on the subway sometimes when I am in Brooklyn but they never offer it to me being as that I am a white honkey. I seem to see them everywhere. Last night I was at a diner and at the table next to mine there was a really tall black guy who had a crecent moon and star on his ring who spit out his virgin daquari becasue it had alcohol in it.

Their leadership perpetually sucks execept for when malcom was sort of running the show, but Elijah Mohamed screwed him over, and now they are stuck with Farrakhan. Oh well.

No, don't get me wrong, they still exist, but in the same sense and the Klan.

Only losers join either group.

Nation of Islam was and still is appealing to many young american blacks, but it is nowhere near what it used to be.

Extremists/fundamentalists exist in every religion and are a liability to them. They get the coverage from the media and then people begin to think that one religion is crazy, odd, dangerous, etc because a few wackos who misinterpret their holy books go on a rampage or destroy something or kill people.

Ya, I'm afraid of christians.

I understand that some muslims consider them a joke at best and dangerous heretics at worst.

IMHO:
Elijah Muhammad - dirty old man
Malcolm X - finally woke up to Elijah Muhammad' lies, then woke up to reality on the hajj.
Louis Farrakhan - complete and utter nutball
NOI in general - a racist off shoot from Islam, minor now, more important 40 years ago.

He got over his racism later in life. Specifically after he completed the haj to mecca.

Exactly. Pre-haj he was a mix of bad and good. He managed to dump a lot of his worst ideas after he split with Elijah Muhammad, and especially after the hajj. See his Letter from Mecca (http://www.arches.uga.edu/~godlas/malcomx.html).

What annoys me about the nation of islam (when I think about it, which is not that often) is actually more to do with political correctness gone insane than the group itself.

A few years ago, some white racist whose name escapes me now (David something, I think. He writes the "holocaust never happened" crap, anyway) was refused permission to come to Australia to visit his family members because of his "despicable racist views". Fair enough, if you agree with that sort of thing, but the same year Louis Farrakhan was allowed to come here on a speaking tour! Apparently to refuse him would be racist. :rolleyes: Personally, I think that allowing a black racist in after refusing a white racist entry is racist itself!

As for Nation of Islam - I think of them in the same way as I think of the KKK and National Action here. The majority of them are malevolent gullible fools who are directed by people who I can't even think of a word for. Evil is too overused and trite, but it's heading in the right direction.