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Harlequin babies live short but horrible lives.

If you knew for certain a child was going to be born with a horrible disfigurement through testing would you have it aborted?

I submit this link to the most daring of you:

Zot

WARNING! Images are REAL and they will likely cause your soul to leave you body!

QUESTION 1: Would you allow abortion in cases such as this? (for those steadfastly against abortion)

QUESTION 2: How would you rate the horribleness of those images?

1) In a situation where the baby would undergo more pain during it's short life than during an abortion procedure, I would definitley support abortion.

2) Goatse, lensman, and tubgirl are all worse.

Christ Jesus! It is hard to believe those are members of the same speices as me. I've seen disfigurement from diseases, but never that severe. I can certainly see why it's called "Ichthyosis"...the resemblance to a fish is frightening.

1) In a situation where the baby would undergo more pain during it's short life than during an abortion procedure, I would definitley support abortion.

2) Goatse, lensman, and tubgirl are all worse.

Never heard of lensman. Link?

Never heard of lensman. Link?
You'd have to be a fucking idiot to ask for a link to something that occurs in the same sentence as goatse and tubgirl.

Or a masochist.

2) Goatse, lensman, and tubgirl are all worse.
Damnit, why'd you mention that? I looked those up, expecting them to be some type of terrible disfiguring disease, andw as confronted with a man's rectum and a woman's terrifying hygiene. Thanks for contributing so much...and if you think those are worse than a Harlequin foetus, then you're seriously messed up.

I'm never heard of lensman either. I've heard of lemonparty, though. Telegram, maybe, its probably not a good idea to post the links here :p

I've always been pro-choice.

You'd have to be a fucking idiot to ask for a link to something that occurs in the same sentence as goatse and tubgirl.

Or a masochist.

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."

Concerning the internet:

"The only thing worse than clicking the link is not clicking the link." :D

1: Hell yes. (Edit: not against abortion, BTW.)
2: I saw these images a couple years back, and I felt a piece of my sanity break. It's certainly worse than tubgirl, lensman, and goatse. The only thing that happens from those is tubgirl makes me feel physically nauseous.

"The only thing worse than clicking the link is not clicking the link." :D
Ramming icepicks into your own skull is worse than you'd think.

Am I the only one getting some sort of fantasy book series when you search lensman?

QUESTION 1: Would you allow abortion in cases such as this? (for those steadfastly against abortion)

QUESTION 2: How would you rate the horribleness of those images?

I looked at the pictures, and I am still against abortion. If we allow it in the case of horrible disfigurement, who is to define disfigurement? It is entirely possible for someone to include Down Syndrome as horribly disfigured. Or take Stephen Hawking, who has been handicapped from birth but is considered one of the greatest minds alive today? In short, we don't decide when we come into the world, and we should not decide when we leave.

And yes, those images are horrible. I wouldn't wish that sort of thing on my worst enemy.

QUESTION 1: Would you allow abortion in cases such as this? (for those steadfastly against abortion)

I would (of course, I'm pro-choice anyways).

However, I doubt that the extreme anti-choice crowd would. After all, they've fought very hard to ensure that abortions are not available to mothers carrying fetuses with extreme hydrocephalus - fetuses which will never reach consciousness and pregnancies which, if delivered naturally, could cripple the mother.

Or take Stephen Hawking, who has been handicapped from birth but is considered one of the greatest minds alive today? In short, we don't decide when we come into the world, and we should not decide when we leave.

Actually, Hawking was perfectly normal for his early life. His disease had a progressive onset. He was a normal baby and fetus.

Am I the only one getting some sort of fantasy book series when you search lensman?

No, that is pretty normal on Google. I forget the specific URL-- I used to know it. Send me a telegram if you want the picture.

Am I the only one getting some sort of fantasy book series when you search lensman?

I get the same thing. Even under the images search in Google.

Some anime series (looks fairly old) and some old sci fi series.

so whats the point? are you thinking that if you can get a right-to-lifer to admit that there is ONE case where abortion might be justified that his whole anti-abortion stance will crumble and he'll walk into the light of reason?

it seems to ME that you could come up with some example of an actual abortion that occured that *I* would think should have been disallowed but that wouldnt turn ME against abortion rights.

or did you just want a reason to link to horrifying pictures?

I looked at the pictures, and I am still against abortion. If we allow it in the case of horrible disfigurement, who is to define disfigurement? It is entirely possible for someone to include Down Syndrome as horribly disfigured. Or take Stephen Hawking, who has been handicapped from birth but is considered one of the greatest minds alive today? In short, we don't decide when we come into the world, and we should not decide when we leave.
Doctors are quite aware what disorders cause death within the first decade of living. In my opinion, letting such a child be born is monstrous, since it is giving them a taste of life, but taking it away before they have a chance to enjoy it. I you knew for certain through some type of premonition (completely hypothetical situation, not realistic at all) that your chld would be hit by a car and die at age 7, would it really be just to allow him or her to be born? And doctors are to define disfigurement. You are looking at it too subjectively. I am against eugenics, including selective breeding since humans don't really know what's better or worse, but if we know that a chld will die very early on in their life, then it is a crime in my opinion to let them be born. Even letting them continue to develop after the disorder is confirmed, since there are nervous systems in developing foetus, and they most likely feel some pain in the final 2 months of development.

And yes, those images are horrible. I wouldn't wish that sort of thing on my worst enemy.
Your worst enemy wouldn't be alive for any more than a day or two at most if they had that, so they wouldn't ahve a chance to be your enemy.

so whats the point? are you thinking that if you can get a right-to-lifer to admit that there is ONE case where abortion might be justified that his whole anti-abortion stance will crumble and he'll walk into the light of reason?

it seems to ME that you could come up with some example of an actual abortion that occured that *I* would think should have been disallowed but that wouldnt turn ME against abortion rights.

or did you just want a reason to link to horrifying pictures?

Your indignation is noted. :)

All I'm searching for is, if there are there conditions where even the most staunch anti-abortionists (no abortions period) would allow an abortion.

If rape and incest didn't tickle their fancy I showed them something nasty (and rare too) and want to know if they would allow abortion in this case.

By no means would total unfettered access to abortions result in allowing abortion one case (that's the slippery slope logical fallacy). I'm just exploring if there is wiggle room in the fervent anti-abortionist to allow it in one case.

ADDITIONAL!

QUESTION 3:

Can the Harlequin baby be loved by its parents?

If this was your baby, could you love it or would you be too sickened with horror to even be in the same room with it?

(Reason for asking: Even Downs Syndrome kids can be loved (and are actually great people I might add!). Could you give love to the Harelequin Baby or only pity and disgust? Is there a reason to give birth to something that cannot be loved by its parents?)

Your worst enemy wouldn't be alive for any more than a day or two at most if they had that, so they wouldn't ahve a chance to be your enemy.

I guess the comment should be "Would you wish your enemy to become the parent of such a child?"

A part of me just died, I think.

I don't want to close my eyes right now for the worry of seeing those images again.

I used to be utterly terrified by things like this. I used to have nightmares. It seems the feeling went out of me though. I don't feel much about it.

A part of me couldn't have just died. There isn't anything to die left.

I used to be utterly terrified by things like this. I used to have nightmares. It seems the feeling went out of me though. I don't feel much about it.

A part of me couldn't have just died. There isn't anything to die left.

That's deep dude. You trying to learn to feel again, too? I'm making progress. :)

It's all about the love, brother. All about the love. :fluffle:

If I may offer a follow up question for those of you who answered yes to the first question to save the fetus from the pain of it's disfigurment and death, would you suppose euthenasia in the cases of the elderly who are in extreme pain?

If I may offer a follow up question for those of you who answered yes to the first question to save the fetus from the pain of it's disfigurment and death, would you suppose euthenasia in the cases of the elderly who are in extreme pain?
I do support euthanasia. Not only for the elderly, but anyone in extreme pain with no end for it in sight. Of course, it gets tricky when you get to illnesses that will leave them alive for a long time...
I don't know quite where to draw the line, but i know at least some of it should be legalized.

If I may offer a follow up question for those of you who answered yes to the first question to save the fetus from the pain of it's disfigurment and death, would you suppose euthenasia in the cases of the elderly who are in extreme pain?

I support suicide in the form of euthenasia for young and old as long as it is properly regulated like all medical procedures. None of this Kervorkian crap where any yahoo does it, so if at the last moment the 'patient' changes their mind (which has been known to happen) we can be confident that the procedure will stop (some yahoos decided to keep going forward with the suicide at this moment).

As long as it is medically regulated I am confident that every venue to end the suffering will be explored and suicide will be the absolute last resort to be considered at length before using it (patient's permission required of course :D ).

I believe my link was eliminated due to the gross-out factor.

Well at least people can use google to look up "harlequin baby" so I'm not miffed.

First time I've been nixxed by a mod. I'm not sure I know how to feel. :confused:

That's deep dude. You trying to learn to feel again, too? I'm making progress. :)

It's all about the love, brother. All about the love. :fluffle:
I wish I were making progress...
Love helps.
Mind if I go off-topic? I sure as hell hope not, since I'm about to severely depart topic, most likely...
Something happened. I don't know what. But everything is strange now. Different. I was, and still am, scared about it.
I found help though.
It's rather funny what it is though.
I always identified as 'gay', and never really liked girls. But then there was the whole gender dysphoria issue, which is sill busy kicking the living shit out of my brain...
Now there's the 'what the hell, I'm not gay?" issue.
I'm in a relationship with a member of the opposite sex now. This past short while has been like electroshock therapy. I never thought I liked girls, but I do now. Go figure.
She's just like me in so many ways that I don't see how I couldn't like her now. So why does it hurt so much to be in love?
It feels so good in the moment though. It's the only time either of us feel anywhere near okay. Nobody else really cares if we live or die, and they play chess with our lives.
I want to play chess with it too.

Please ignore me, that was most likely a pointless cry for help.

I wish I were making progress...
Love helps.
Mind if I go off-topic? I sure as hell hope not, since I'm about to severely depart topic, most likely...
Something happened. I don't know what. But everything is strange now. Different. I was, and still am, scared about it.
I found help though.
It's rather funny what it is though.
I always identified as 'gay', and never really liked girls. But then there was the whole gender dysphoria issue, which is sill busy kicking the living shit out of my brain...
Now there's the 'what the hell, I'm not gay?" issue.
I'm in a relationship with a member of the opposite sex now. This past short while has been like electroshock therapy. I never thought I liked girls, but I do now. Go figure.
She's just like me in so many ways that I don't see how I couldn't like her now. So why does it hurt so much to be in love?
It feels so good in the moment though. It's the only time either of us feel anywhere near okay. Nobody else really cares if we live or die, and they play chess with our lives.
I want to play chess with it too.

Please ignore me, that was most likely a pointless cry for help.

Hey at least you got someone. You words are poetic. Work to gain independence. Build your strength. Look towards the future.

Harlequin babies live short but horrible lives.

If you knew for certain a child was going to be born with a horrible disfigurement through testing would you have it aborted?

I submit this link to the most daring of you:

Zot

WARNING! Images are REAL and they will likely cause your soul to leave you body!

QUESTION 1: Would you allow abortion in cases such as this? (for those steadfastly against abortion)

QUESTION 2: How would you rate the horribleness of those images?

That was quite the scariest thing I have ever seen and my friend will not be going to sleep tonight.

That was quite the scariest thing I have ever seen and my friend will not be going to sleep tonight.

I still can't believe that link was 'Zotted'. I wasn't a pic and I posted a warning.

Hey at least you got someone. You words are poetic. Work to gain independence. Build your strength. Look towards the future.
My words were poetic?
I've never really thought so. Other people always say that to me though... Maybe I should try to make something of it? I don't know. I've always tripped over words and used too many adjectives for things and generally messed things up. Or at least I thought so. But then again, a friend of mine said that an e-mail of mine, not meant to be anything in particular, was wonderful free-verse. I would show some of those things to more people so I could figure out if I have any sort of talent if it weren't for the fact that I can't show people such private things.

Once again, hopelessly off-topic. But anyway...