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Chinese cars, low quality crap (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=7218322)

If you thought Yugo's were bad, wait until these things hit the US. It will be Wal Mart quality cars.

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Chinese cars, low quality crap (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=7218322)

If you thought Yugo's were bad, wait until these things hit the US. It will be Wal Mart quality cars.

Good god, if anyone buys those they have truly lost their mind!

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Sure thing.

Don't Kias and other fine quality carmakers like them already corner the cheapo market?


Seriously though, the '79 Volvo I used to drive probably ran better than these cars will, not to mention I only paid $1500 for it.

Don't Kias and other fine quality carmakers like them already corner the cheapo market?

Yeah but the Chinese are the masters of the super cheap, cheaper than dirt market. I live near chinatown and you know how most places have dollar stores? In chinatown there is a freaking 25 cent store! Seriously these cars will cost like $700 brand new. I am going to buy 5 of them, and drive a different color car each day to match the clothes I am wearing.

Hmm... Chinese cars. Nah, NOTHING beats the good ol' Soviet Lada. :D

I dont see the car on your link...

Yeah but the Chinese are the masters of the super cheap, cheaper than dirt market. I live near chinatown and you know how most places have dollar stores? In chinatown there is a freaking 25 cent store! Seriously these cars will cost like $700 brand new. I am going to buy 5 of them, and drive a different color car each day to match the clothes I am wearing.

Yeah, you may have one to drive in each color, but it will be typical Asian quality, and it will be like Russian roulette trying to figure out which one works everyday.

Yeah, you may have one to drive in each color, but it will be typical Asian quality, and it will be like Russian roulette trying to figure out which one works everyday.
Yeah! Those damn asians! Can't make anything right! Unlike our cars, which aren't even made here, get about 5 mpg, and are unreliable as hell!

Good god, if anyone buys those they have truly lost their mind!
Plenty of people buy auto imports from Korea. Kia does quite well and I imagine the Chinese will do better.

Let 'em try selling the cars in the US. Whether they succeed or not is of no concern to me. Besides, there are too many Chinese car companies to maintain a large car market in any country, including the US.

Plenty of people buy auto imports from Korea. Kia does quite well and I imagine the Chinese will do better.
That will only happen when the 200+ car companies there can consolidate to about twenty. But considering the high volume of foreign investment in China, I bet most of those car companies will be bought out by the majors, and will turn out cars for the Chinese and Indian markets.

Maybe they will make superior products. I think they could , but they may not . I guess we'll just have to see what they present to the American market. Maybe their cars will be really luxurious, and high quality.

I actually owned a 74 Bricklin SV-1. Just think a plastic body, and a ford v-8. It was a decent car, as long as it didn't rain too much. Then the freaking gull wing doors would leak. I bought it new for $8,000 and sold it in 85 for a cool $12,000. Not a bad little profit for such a craptacular car! (http://www.carlospomares.com/Pics/Dream%20Cars/GreenBricklin2.jpg)

BTW-Yes my car was that puke green color!

While I can understand your loyalty to your own countries brands, I can't help but wonder if the Chinese cars are really all that bad, and if any of you who say they are, have ever actually driven one and know first hand. I am sure the newcomers will face resistance from a public used to buying certain names. Even if the Chinese cars don't take off in mainstream America, they may find a niche market, and fufill a need there.

I remember when Japanese cars started to be imported into Australia in large numbers, all the negative comments, and "buy Australian" calls, that for the first few years kept the sales figures for the imports low. Then a breakthrough happened. Datsun introduced the 180B, which became one of the biggest selling car models in this countries history. While small, these cars were very economical, almost unkillable (there are still plenty on the road), and reasonably cheap to buy. Today, I don't think Australians really care much where their cars come from, especially since we have car plants here owned by Japanese companies, but staffed by Australians, making the Japanese brands, and most of the parts for the Austrailan brands (or should I say American, as in General motors and Ford), are made overseas and imported.

As I said in the last thread on this subject, the Chinese are already flooding the market with inexpensive "Vespa" style scooters. You can buy them for under a thousand bucks from ebay or Pep Boys. That's the DOT approved ones. They are also the country supplying all the mini pocket bikes that'll go forty mph, as well as all the gas and electric powered skate board scooters.

Well a lot of our urban poor (in my town) are turning to these vehicles to get around. With the whole country going on the Walmart economy and wages stuck in the low 20s for many Americans is this a bad thing. The Chinese can sell me a car for $5,000 to $10,000 instead of $24,000 to $30,000. If we could get them to start selling us houses and food at the same massive discount most Americans would be set.

Yeah! Those damn asians! Can't make anything right! Unlike our cars, which aren't even made here, get about 5 mpg, and are unreliable as hell!


My car never has any problems, and cars here do not get 5 mpg.

As I said in the last thread on this subject, the Chinese are already flooding the market with inexpensive "Vespa" style scooters. You can buy them for under a thousand bucks from ebay or Pep Boys. That's the DOT approved ones. They are also the country supplying all the mini pocket bikes that'll go forty mph, as well as all the gas and electric powered skate board scooters.

Well a lot of our urban poor (in my town) are turning to these vehicles to get around. With the whole country going on the Walmart economy and wages stuck in the low 20s for many Americans is this a bad thing. The Chinese can sell me a car for $5,000 to $10,000 instead of $24,000 to $30,000. If we could get them to start selling us houses and food at the same massive discount most Americans would be set.

Thats all very nice and all, but America is going to cease to be a Superpower if people keep buying stuff from China because our economy is going to fade away.

Patriots try to buy american huh? Where does your gasoline come from? Over 50% of the oil used in the US comes from foreign countries, because our oil reserves are almost used up. Running at the capacity were at now, the oil in Alaska will be gone in 15-20 years, without any major new oil discoveries, and the other USA Oil locations before that. Also, most most clothing is made overseas. Do you then make your own clothes? Go naked? What do you wear? American labor is much more expensive than foreign labor, because our costs of living are ridiculously high.

Maybe if American made goods were cheaper (in cost, not quality) more people would buy American, but as it is today, American made goods are generally more expensive, and some things are lower quality when made in the USA.

Thats all very nice and all, but America is going to cease to be a Superpower if people keep buying stuff from China because our economy is going to fade away.


Well yes, but it's not like we're given much of a choice. If you go to any store all the clothes, shoes, small appliances, and electronics are made overseas. You can only boycott overseas goods to the point you need a new pair of pants or a toaster.

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Aww, it's so cute!

Yeah but the Chinese are the masters of the super cheap, cheaper than dirt market. I live near chinatown and you know how most places have dollar stores? In chinatown there is a freaking 25 cent store! Seriously these cars will cost like $700 brand new. I am going to buy 5 of them, and drive a different color car each day to match the clothes I am wearing.
lol.

Yes guys Chinese cars are a product of our ownderful free market.

You're either a patriot or a traitor. Patriots always try to buy American. Traitors don't.
What if you can't afford the American shit?

speaking of cars...i have 3 for sale. anyone need a car? :confused:

speaking of cars...i have 3 for sale. anyone need a car? :confused:What kind of cars?

China has nothing but crap eh?

My iPod was made in China last I checked. Haier, a popular Kitchen Applience maker is a chinese company. Lenovo, another Chinese company, just bought the PC division of IBM.

Sometimes, I'd just wish that statements are not made out of racial hate, but instead more out of factual statements.

What kind of cars?

a 97 Plymouth Grand Voyager
99 Ford Taurus wagon
01 Chevy Malibu

Oh and I have a house, furniture and appliances for sale and 4 dogs free to a good home :D


someones moving....can ya tell?

a 97 Plymouth Grand Voyager
99 Ford Taurus wagon
01 Chevy Malibu

Oh and I have a house, furniture and appliances for sale and 4 dogs free to a good home :D


someones moving....can ya tell?

should mail me one of your dogs

What if you can't afford the American shit?
Well, feel what you want about the free market, but American cars aren't that bad. They actually outranked European cars in reliability last year. They may not be as great as many cars, but they are far better than, say, Brazilian or Russian made cars. After all, Russia is the world's only country that still manufactures vacuum tubes.

Thats all very nice and all, but America is going to cease to be a Superpower if people keep buying stuff from China because our economy is going to fade away.

Is it? I don't care. I have a feeling that whether or not *I* buy a foreign product is not going to change the fate of America's power in the world.

Furthermore I buy a product based on what I need, and what is offered. No more! I don't like this... nationalization of consumer choice "buy this or ." I [i]don't buy something based on making sure that America is a superpower.

a 97 Plymouth Grand Voyager
99 Ford Taurus wagon
01 Chevy Malibu

Oh and I have a house, furniture and appliances for sale and 4 dogs free to a good home :D


someones moving....can ya tell?
How much?

Is it? I don't care. I have a feeling that whether or not *I* buy a foreign product is not going to change the fate of America's power in the world.

Furthermore I buy a product based on what I need, and what is offered. No more! I don't like this... nationalization of consumer choice "buy this or ." I [i]don't buy something based on making sure that America is a superpower.
Actually, unless you are buying black market nukes or drugs, you are helping America. Each purchase strenghtens the global economy, and it all comes back to the US. We are much wealthier now than we were fifty years ago, when the US was over 50% of global economic production.

Patriots try to buy american huh? Where does your gasoline come from? Over 50% of the oil used in the US comes from foreign countries, because our oil reserves are almost used up. Running at the capacity were at now, the oil in Alaska will be gone in 15-20 years, without any major new oil discoveries, and the other USA Oil locations before that. Also, most most clothing is made overseas. Do you then make your own clothes? Go naked? What do you wear? American labor is much more expensive than foreign labor, because our costs of living are ridiculously high.

Maybe if American made goods were cheaper (in cost, not quality) more people would buy American, but as it is today, American made goods are generally more expensive, and some things are lower quality when made in the USA.

I buy gasoline only at Texaco, which is only American oil. I try to buy American whenever possible, which means I spend more money on fewer products. More is not always better.

American goods cost more because workers have things such as a minimum wage, benefits. Also, they work 40 hours a week as oppsed to the Asian 80 or so.

Well yes, but it's not like we're given much of a choice. If you go to any store all the clothes, shoes, small appliances, and electronics are made overseas. You can only boycott overseas goods to the point you need a new pair of pants or a toaster.

No, I can still find American stuff, its just more expensive. I never buy anything made in communist china, or at slave mart.

Patriots try to buy american huh? Where does your gasoline come from? Over 50% of the oil used in the US comes from foreign countries, because our oil reserves are almost used up. Running at the capacity were at now, the oil in Alaska will be gone in 15-20 years, without any major new oil discoveries, and the other USA Oil locations before that. Also, most most clothing is made overseas. Do you then make your own clothes? Go naked? What do you wear? American labor is much more expensive than foreign labor, because our costs of living are ridiculously high.

Maybe if American made goods were cheaper (in cost, not quality) more people would buy American, but as it is today, American made goods are generally more expensive, and some things are lower quality when made in the USA.

I buy gasoline only at Texaco, which is only American oil. I try to buy American whenever possible, which means I spend more money on fewer products. More is not always better.

American goods cost more because workers have things such as a minimum wage, benefits. Also, they work 40 hours a week as oppsed to the Asian 80 or so.

Patriots try to buy american huh? Where does your gasoline come from? Over 50% of the oil used in the US comes from foreign countries, because our oil reserves are almost used up. Running at the capacity were at now, the oil in Alaska will be gone in 15-20 years, without any major new oil discoveries, and the other USA Oil locations before that. Also, most most clothing is made overseas. Do you then make your own clothes? Go naked? What do you wear? American labor is much more expensive than foreign labor, because our costs of living are ridiculously high.

Maybe if American made goods were cheaper (in cost, not quality) more people would buy American, but as it is today, American made goods are generally more expensive, and some things are lower quality when made in the USA.

I buy gasoline only at Texaco, which is only American oil. I try to buy American whenever possible, which means I spend more money on fewer products. More is not always better.

American goods cost more because workers have things such as a minimum wage, benefits. Also, they work 40 hours a week as oppsed to the Asian 80 or so.

Well yes, but it's not like we're given much of a choice. If you go to any store all the clothes, shoes, small appliances, and electronics are made overseas. You can only boycott overseas goods to the point you need a new pair of pants or a toaster.

No, I can still find American stuff, its just more expensive. I never buy anything made in communist china, or at slave mart.

Actually, unless you are buying black market nukes or drugs, you are helping America. Each purchase strenghtens the global economy, and it all comes back to the US. We are much wealthier now than we were fifty years ago, when the US was over 50% of global economic production.

Then why does the US have a trade deficit? We are wealthier in terms of numbers, but nothing else. Our GDP as a percent of the world's is lower, as is virtually every economic indicator.

Texaco was merged with chevron a few years back, to form the fifth largest worldwide oil corporation. They produce oil all over the world, and sell it all over the world.

www.chevrontexaco.com/operations/

Their oil isnt just American, so you are possibly wasting your time/money buying their gas, thinking it is all 100% made in the USA. Much of their oil comes from overseas, just like all the other oil companies.

Chinese cars, low quality crap (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=7218322)

If you thought Yugo's were bad, wait until these things hit the US. It will be Wal Mart quality cars.

I don't mind, I don't see why they should be in the U.S., if anything, they should should just stay in China, where they are needed more.

I don't mind, I don't see why they should be in the U.S., if anything, they should should just stay in China, where they are needed more.

No, China doesn't need any cars. They're going to raise the price of gas in the US. China only does things with the intent to harm the US, they plan to overtake us within the next 10-15 years as a military and economic power. Then they'll use their power to spread their policies which most people on here support, such as 1 child per family and forced abortions.

Texaco was merged with chevron a few years back, to form the fifth largest worldwide oil corporation. They produce oil all over the world, and sell it all over the world.

www.chevrontexaco.com/operations/

Their oil isnt just American, so you are possibly wasting your time/money buying their gas, thinking it is all 100% made in the USA. Much of their oil comes from overseas, just like all the other oil companies.

This isn't directed at you specificly, but I'm not understand the idiots on here that support globalization like its something good. What I think is that people here are trying to make me angry simply because they don't like me.

www.energy.gov

The sources are all there, it may not be 100% American what I buy, but its a lot better than most idiots who don't care who gets their money, and don't support the industries in their country. When people go on thinking about themselves more than the greater good, anarchy happens.

Then why does the US have a trade deficit? We are wealthier in terms of numbers, but nothing else. Our GDP as a percent of the world's is lower, as is virtually every economic indicator.
Because the rest of the world has gotten wealthier as well. As for the trade deficit, complaining about ours is misplaced patriotism. The 19th century was indisputably the time of fastest economic growth for the US, yet a trade deficit was maintained most of the time, as Ayn Rand points out. As a nation, the US is better making money at services, and trade balances are only one way of making money. It's mercantilist thinking like that that surpresses an economy.

I buy gasoline only at Texaco, which is only American oil.


I only buy gasoline at Citgo which is owned by the state run oil company of Venezuela so that the glorious Bolivarian revolution will spread across the Continent, ridding Latin America of corrupt puppet goverments who serve only the whims of the Yankee imperialists.

Just kidding I don't have a car.

Because the rest of the world has gotten wealthier as well. As for the trade deficit, complaining about ours is misplaced patriotism. The 19th century was indisputably the time of fastest economic growth for the US, yet a trade deficit was maintained most of the time, as Ayn Rand points out. As a nation, the US is better making money at services, and trade balances are only one way of making money. It's mercantilist thinking like that that surpresses an economy.


So the United States' trade surplus after WWII into the 1960's had nothing to do with the prosperity.

You cannot make money with services, it is merely a circle. With things being produced however, it results in products being made, which increases the value. A service economy does nothing. Britian is a prime example of a has-been industral power, which is now a service economy.