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if Ohio's electoral votes got thrown out?

if Ohio's electoral votes got thrown out?
George W. Bush.

I thought he needed those votes to beat Kerry? Clearly the winner would be the American people. ;)

GW, because the deduction of 20 EC votes would not only lower GW's total, but also lower the number required to win.

As it stands it takes 271 EC votes to win. GW won 286. Take the 20 from Ohio and he would have 266. But as it is now the total EC votes are 540, remove the 20 from Ohio and it becomes 520. The number required to win the election would drop to 261. Would not make a difference.

If the Ohio votes were tossed, neither candidate would have a majority of electoral votes, and the election would be thrown to the House, I believe. Pubs hold a clear majority in both houses, therefore, Bush still wins, and the Dems really look petty and stupid. :headbang:

I thought he needed those votes to beat Kerry? Clearly the winner would be the American people. ;)

See above and:

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE ALREADY WINNERS!!!

If teh Ohio votes were tossed, neither candidate woudl have a majority, and the election would be thrown to the House, I believe. Pubs hold a clear majority in both houses, therefore, Bush still wins, and the Dems really look petty and stupid. :headbang:


You're forgetting to remove the 20 votes from the TOTAL EC votes. Your only sbtracting them from Bush's total. Even that doesn't matter because Kerry didn't break 260 EC votes.

As for this shit on Ohio, why aren't the Dems protesting the elections in Minn, Wisc, Mich, Maine, Penn and a few others where the difference between Scary Kerry and GW was much, much closer?

Dems really look petty and stupid.

Got some news for ya:

THEY ALREADY DO!!!!!

... why aren't the Dems protesting the elections in Minn, Wisc, Mich, Maine, Penn and a few others where the difference between Scary Kerry and GW was much, much closer?
Lack of sense? Eagerness to commit hari kari?

Lack of sense? Eagerness to commit hari kari?

They already did when they first jumped on the Dean bandwagon then completed it by trying to convince the majority that; a lying, flip-floping, panderer, oppertunistic, absent from over 70% of SIC meetings, most liberal senator; could be trusted to not hand the country over to gays, terrorists, socialists, lazy "give me your money, 'cuz I'm too lazy or stupid to earn it myself' people!

As for this shit on Ohio, why aren't the Dems protesting the elections in Minn, Wisc, Mich, Maine, Penn and a few others where the difference between Scary Kerry and GW was much, much closer?
Because maybe it's not about overthrowing the election? Maybe, just maybe, the senators and representatives know how the electoral system works and aren't hoping that this will put Kerry in the white house? Because maybe it really is about insuring the electoral process, protecting the transparency so that corruption doesn't occour, because maybe a lack of corruption doesn't favor one party or the other but maybe the people who voted?

Now ask yourself-If they know that this won't overturn the election, why are the republicans so scared to face this? If it really was a walking embarasment for the democrats, why wouldn't the republicans hold the door for them? What are republicans afraid we're going to find, if there is nothing to hide?

Kerry doesnt have a chance, corrupt republican politicians dont listen to reason, just their beliefs.

In 2000 Gore would have won, if there was a re-count, however, the Republican Supreme Court, didnt want that because Bush wouldnt win. That is what makes me so mad. Since when do you (by you I mean the supreme court) vote on opinion, what ever happened to the good of the country?

Let me get something clear; If all of the questionable votes went to Kerry, he still wouldn't have enough to win Ohio. Ohio wasn't even close, there were 150,000 more votes for Bush.

You're forgetting to remove the 20 votes from the TOTAL EC votes. Your only sbtracting them from Bush's total. Even that doesn't matter because Kerry didn't break 260 EC votes.

As for this shit on Ohio, why aren't the Dems protesting the elections in Minn, Wisc, Mich, Maine, Penn and a few others where the difference between Scary Kerry and GW was much, much closer?
With the exeception of Minnesota, they're all run by Democratic govenors :(

Kerry doesnt have a chance, corrupt republican politicians dont listen to reason, just their beliefs.

In 2000 Gore would have won, if there was a re-count, however, the Republican Supreme Court, didnt want that because Bush wouldnt win. That is what makes me so mad. Since when do you (by you I mean the supreme court) vote on opinion, what ever happened to the good of the country?
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html

Well...

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.

As for this shit on Ohio, why aren't the Dems protesting the elections in Minn, Wisc, Mich, Maine, Penn and a few others where the difference between Scary Kerry and GW was much, much closer?

This is said by someone who is not up to speed on this event, but is it possible that there is evidence of fraud in Ohio, and not the others. If so it could be to make a point that this will not be tolerated. ONce again I am not up to speed on this issue and am just tossing out ideas.

Because maybe it's not about overthrowing the election? Maybe, just maybe, the senators and representatives know how the electoral system works and aren't hoping that this will put Kerry in the white house? Because maybe it really is about insuring the electoral process, protecting the transparency so that corruption doesn't occour, because maybe a lack of corruption doesn't favor one party or the other but maybe the people who voted?

Now ask yourself-If they know that this won't overturn the election, why are the republicans so scared to face this? If it really was a walking embarasment for the democrats, why wouldn't the republicans hold the door for them? What are republicans afraid we're going to find, if there is nothing to hide?

You know if I wasn't from Washington State I could almost agree with you. But look at what is happening here, it's the Demorats [sic] that are trying to suppress ANY investigation into election fraud/mismanagement. And our election was a hell of a lot closer than 118,000 votes. In fact the first (machine) count had Dino Rossi (R) winning by 261, the second (machine) count had Rossi winning by 41, the third (hand) count had Christine Gregiore (D) winning by 129. In King county, every time the news reported that Rossi had picked up votes, they "found" "lost" ballots to the tune of NINE times. Anywhere from 22 to 520+ ballots. That they have discovered that in King County there were over 3,500 more ballots cast and counted that there are registered voters, that so far there have been 79 felons who have not had their civil right to vote restored who cast ballots that were counted; one who was in the County jail at the time and one who was in the State Penn. That there is proof that there are people who cast and had counted multiple ballots. That a handwritting expert has stated that it appears that the same person signed over 300 absentee ballots. That during the second count a man was seen passing a Gregiore ballot thru the machine 5 times (BTW he had Chris for Gov on his gloves and had F**K Bush hat on). So don't spew your rightious shit that the DNC is doing. They lost in FLA in 2000 and they can't get over it.***

Could it be that Kerry and MoveOn.org who gave a total of $450,000 ($200,000 from Kerry; $250,000 from MoveOn.org) for the hand recount would loose a state to further their fucked up progressive agenda?

***Every paper in FLA and nationwide that performed a recount in FLA election 2000 proved that Bush won in every type of count with between ~350-~1500 votes except one. The one he lost is where all absentee ballots from overseas were discounted. That is the one that Gore want done. Nevermind that 90% of those ballots were from military members stationed or on deployment overseas. Much like the Washington Demorats [sic] are trying to do here. Over 31,000 military ballots were not counted.

Kerry doesnt have a chance, corrupt republican politicians dont listen to reason, just their beliefs.

In 2000 Gore would have won, if there was a re-count, however, the Republican Supreme Court, didnt want that because Bush wouldnt win. That is what makes me so mad. Since when do you (by you I mean the supreme court) vote on opinion, what ever happened to the good of the country?

You sir (and I use that term loosly) have no f**king clue what your are talking about. The USSC told FLA that it was ILLEGAL TO CHANGE THE ELECTION LAW IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ELECTION. They told the FLASC to uphold state law as written.

But then I suppose that you worship the words of Michael Moore, George Soros and the pant excitedly when you can hear Air America.

If I could give you a quarter I would, just so you could go buy a clue!!!!

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html

Well...

It was never the re-count that made Gore the real winner in 2000, it was the massive voter fraud committed by the Florida Republican party.

It was never the re-count that made Gore the real winner in 2000, it was the massive voter fraud committed by the Florida Republican party.

WOOHOOOOOO!!!!!

Another clueless person!!!!!

Look up what the DNC did in FLA. If there was so much intimidation by Republicans in 2000 then why in the 2004 election Fla wasn't even in question. It went Red early and stayed red with no sign of changing. Face it the F**KING progressives/Demorats are crying over spilt milk because thay can't get it through their thick skulls that the majority of the US rejected their aganda!!!!

Want proof; 11 states had anti-gay marriage bills on the ballot. Guess what numnuts; it passed in ALL 11 STATES. Even in Oregon, by far the most liberal of the 11 states that had it on the ballot.

WOOHOOOOOO!!!!!

Another clueless person!!!!!

First, as a former mod of this site, I suggest you knock off the flames..

Second, I am not clueless in fact I have spent the last 4 years studying it. I'm not even an American, so don't claim I'm a DNC puppet either. I am an objective international observer who has looked at all public evidence available.

If the Ohio votes were tossed, neither candidate would have a majority of electoral votes, and the election would be thrown to the House, I believe. Pubs hold a clear majority in both houses, therefore, Bush still wins, and the Dems really look petty and stupid. :headbang:

I think they have made themselves look pretty petty and stupid over the last four years, anyway. I guess it just comes natural to a party that chose a jackass for a symbol.

First, as a former mod of this site, I suggest you knock off the flames..

Second, I am not clueless in fact I have spent the last 4 years studying it. I'm not even an American, so don't claim I'm a DNC puppet either. I am an objective international observer who has looked at all public evidence available.

When I start flaming you'll know.

The only public evidence you have looked at is those provided by the likes of Move.On.org, ACT, DNC, George Soros, Michael Moore, Al Franken, Dan Rather, Hiliary Clinton, Al Gore...etc. Try looking at the news reports that have been done. Mind you the, MSM is a left-leaning organization and even they cannot find ANY evidence that there was EVER any election fraud/intimidation/discrimination/strong arm tactics in the 2000 Fla election.

Since you are proponent that there was some kind of chincanery would you mind posting your evidence of it?

First, as a former mod of this site, I suggest you knock off the flames..

Second, I am not clueless in fact I have spent the last 4 years studying it. I'm not even an American, so don't claim I'm a DNC puppet either. I am an objective international observer who has looked at all public evidence available.
Stephistan, you have the international part right, not the objective. We all know your leanings, and they aren't for George W. Bush.

You guys are really desperate,
all the things you all keep
coming up with.