NationStates Jolt Archive

This is aimed at Democrats and Democrats alone; I don't need Republicans or Libertarians or whoever else coming in and bashing us.
Anyways, look: we all know that Bush really did win the election this year; even I admit that now. We also know that the election process needs to be updated, and it will be, so long as we're calm and intelligent about it.
However, we cannot simply give up and wait around for the next four years hoping Bush will perform some huge screw-up that will cause all Americans to vote Democrat in 2008 no matter who is running. We have to remain strong and hopeful, and keep our message out. We have to make America understand that voting Republican again in 2008 will only make every problem worse, but we can't do it by acting like crazied monkeys throwing feces at the Republicans. We must show that they're the ones ruining this country, not us. We must unite again, find a candidate that represents us all rather than an elitist far-left winger; even though I might have thought he was the perfect candidate, I recognize that he did not truly represent all of us. We must find the right candidate, we must get our message out, and God or whatever forces you believe in willing, we will take back the White House in 2008. Let's quit the whining, let's quit the moaning, let's sit down and get to work and win that election!

Good candidates can't win elections. Just look at the Libertarians. 8)

Good candidates can't win elections. Just look at the Libertarians. 8)
The definition of a good candidate varies based on the person; as I said, I was speaking to Democrats alone.

Good candidates can't win elections. Just look at the Libertarians. 8)

Have they had one yet? ;)

Good candidates can't win elections. Just look at the Libertarians. 8)

It's actually true. A party wins on it's policy. You could put a monkey as the figurehead and still win.

The definition of a good candidate varies based on the person; as I said, I was speaking to Democrats alone.
You can say all you want. This is a public forum.

You can say all you want. This is a public forum.
I know that; the point was that I didn't want everyone else coming in just to bash Democrats. If you have something constructive to say, fine; otherwise, stay out please.

It's actually true. A party wins on it's policy. You could put a monkey as the figurehead and still win.
Hell yeah, look at Charlie Rangle.

Hell yeah, look at Charlie Rangle.
Who, pray tell, is Charlie Rangle?

I haven't bashed anybody. In fact, I've encouraged free speech, and I shall continue to do so, even if you disapprove.

I haven't bashed anybody. In fact, I've encouraged free speech, and I shall continue to do so, even if you disapprove.
I know that; I wasn't speaking directly at you when I made that statement. In fact, I encourage the discussion; I'm simply saying that I don't want bashing going on, that's all. You made a very good point.

Democrats...



Democrats are Republicans who just arent complete and utter morons...



Its about time we see the secondary parties ride, enough of this extreme Capitalist Christian government...

Thank you, sir.

Charlie Rangle is the NY Democrat who proposed the bill to reinstate the draft.

Democrats...



Democrats are Republicans who just arent complete and utter morons...



Its about time we see the secondary parties ride, enough of this extreme Capitalist Christian government...
Not hardly; most Democrats support more civil liberties, and greater emphasis on socialistic programs; there's a world of difference between the two.
Thank you, sir.

Charlie Rangle is the NY Democrat who proposed the bill to reinstate the draft.
And thank you for telling me; Charlie Rangle hardly represents all Democrats; most of us don't support the idea of the draft, especially me.

The democrats need to keep these things in mind if they want to win the white house again (or at least in the somewhat near future):

a)Americans don't like hearing that American troops are doing the wrong thing.

b)Americans do not (by and large) want gay marriage. State referenda proved that this November. Some mid-teen number of states had referenda on their ballots for gay marriage, and it failed in every state.

c)Americans (by and large) enjoy lower taxes.

d)Americans couldn't give a crap about the national debt. Americans are against frivolous spending, unless it's for the military in what they deem a just (or at least justifiable) cause.

e)Most Americans view family values as an important (or at least somewhat important) set of issues. And by that... they're talking largely about biblical values or at least traditional values.

So:

Don't put anyone up for Pres. who's going to SAY he's going to raise taxes. He can get away with it when he's in office, but if he says he's raising taxes, he won't probably be elected.

Don't nominate anyone who is ultra-liberal on the social issues; probably most (not a large majority, but a majority nonetheless) Americans still believe in traditional American/biblical family values. Americans are pro abortion (liberal there), pro death penalty (keeping with the disregard for human life..), pro-second amendment.

Stuff like that.

Also, most Americans are Christians (or at least say they are)... so don't get all buddy-buddy with the ACLU, whom many Christians see as the Anti-Christian Lucifer Union.

hehe

I just registered Democrat for pragmatic reasons. Lets face it, it will be years and years before independent parties even have a shred of recognition and respect in this country. I know how similar the Democrats are to the Republicans and it is very scary. However, the Democratic party has that last shred of human dignity left that needs to be used. Despite what others may think, President Clinton HELPED the majority of this country. We need another president like that. Personally, I would love to see the Democratic Party nominate an african american for President: Obama and Jesse Jackson come to mind. But, that will never happen for obvious reasons. We need a candidate that appeals to the public. Kerry simply did not do that. He was so far out of touch with the simple blue and white collar Americans that many felt Bush, yes that money-hungry Bush, was a guy they could "share a beer with." Somehow, I don't know how, we need to show that Americans shouldn't pick their leaders by a social checklist as much as a LEADER checklist. John Edwards right now is the best candidate for 2008, as long as he keeps his affairs "clean and appropiate." I believe that if he were to have Wesley Clark as his running mate, then he would definitely win the Presidency. The Republicans, however, have some candidates that many Democrats can cope with: Guliani and McCain. Democrats shouldn't bash Republicans as our campaign strategy. If they attack first, counter yes, but also show how we are above them. We can't be reduced to their pathetic and malevolent strategies. ORGANIZE is the key word that will determine whether the Democratic nominee will win in 2008.

Joe Lieberman is the obvious choice. I would say Zell Miller but he's too old.

Democrats...

Democrats are Republicans who just arent complete and utter morons...

Its about time we see the secondary parties ride, enough of this extreme Capitalist Christian government...

Democrats are Republicans that haven't been mugged.

It's about time we see the secondary parties fade, enough of this extreme hatred of Majority government.

I just registered Democrat for pragmatic reasons. Lets face it, it will be years and years before independent parties even have a shred of recognition and respect in this country. I know how similar the Democrats are to the Republicans and it is very scary. However, the Democratic party has that last shred of human dignity left that needs to be used. Despite what others may think, President Clinton HELPED the majority of this country. We need another president like that. Personally, I would love to see the Democratic Party nominate an african american for President: Obama and Jesse Jackson come to mind. But, that will never happen for obvious reasons. We need a candidate that appeals to the public. Kerry simply did not do that. He was so far out of touch with the simple blue and white collar Americans that many felt Bush, yes that money-hungry Bush, was a guy they could "share a beer with." Somehow, I don't know how, we need to show that Americans shouldn't pick their leaders by a social checklist as much as a LEADER checklist. John Edwards right now is the best candidate for 2008, as long as he keeps his affairs "clean and appropiate." I believe that if he were to have Wesley Clark as his running mate, then he would definitely win the Presidency. The Republicans, however, have some candidates that many Democrats can cope with: Guliani and McCain. Democrats shouldn't bash Republicans as our campaign strategy. If they attack first, counter yes, but also show how we are above them. We can't be reduced to their pathetic and malevolent strategies. ORGANIZE is the key word that will determine whether the Democratic nominee will win in 2008.

Absolutely; you make every point that I intended to make. I would be perfectly OK with either McCain or Guliani, or even Powell--thought out the of the three McCain is the probable runner--as for our own, John Edwards and Wesley Clark is certainly a solid ticket. Now, I for one would be more than willing to vote for an Obama/Hillary Clinton ticket, or a Sharpton/Jackson ticket, but the odds of them being nominated are very low; it's a shame, really. As it is, we need to go based on electability first, then leadership, then everything else.
I do, however, disagree that Democrats are that similar to Republicans, but that's a case of how you see it.

*snip*
Also, most Americans are Christians (or at least say they are)... so don't get all buddy-buddy with the ACLU, whom many Christians see as the Anti-Christian Lucifer Union.

hehe


Why type all that? Just simply say convert to Republicans....

Yea damn the ACLU! How dare they fight the attempt to make this country a christian theocracy! :rolleyes:

Joe Lieberman is the obvious choice. I would say Zell Miller but he's too old.

I'm from Connecticut. I've voted for Joe for Senator twice now. He's a good guy. He won't run for Prez, and even if he did, he'd be assassinated because he Jewish. :(

Joe Lieberman is the obvious choice. I would say Zell Miller but he's too old.
Not Zell Miller; anyone but Zell Miller. He's a Republican wearing a Democrat's clothing. He even gave the keynote speech at the Republican National Convention last year.

Joe Lieberman is the obvious choice. I would say Zell Miller but he's too old.

Zell??!?!??!?!

Why would the demos nominate a closet republican?????

But you are right he is far too old. He wishes dueling was legal.....

Why type all that? Just simply say convert to Republicans....

Yea damn the ACLU! How dare they fight the attempt to make this country a christian theocracy! :rolleyes:

I wasn't making an argument; I was making suggestions based on my observations.

Christians hate the ACLU because the ACLU fights Christians at every turn while allowing other religions to do whatever they want to. Now I'm arguing.

See the difference?

I wasn't making an argument; I was making suggestions based on my observations.

Christians hate the ACLU because the ACLU fights Christians at every turn while allowing other religions to do whatever they want to. Now I'm arguing.

See the difference?
Actually, the ACLU doesn't; it, in fact, has defended Christians on a number of occasions.

The Democrats have got to drop gun control as a plank in their platform. Not only are the current laws more than adequate, but since they've embraced gun control (1934), they've lost a majority of the elections.

I'd feel a lot better if they instead focused on law enforcement.

I really don't care about gay marriage, but I'd like them to choose:
Be anti abortion and death penalty, or be pro. Right now, it's okay to kill a 5 month gestated in utero, but not okay to kill a guy who killed 7 people.

I'm really not okay with that dichotomy.

Even though I'm a Conservative here in Britain...I find myself siding more and more with the Democrats rather than the Republicans.

Christians hate the ACLU because the ACLU fights Christians at every turn while allowing other religions to do whatever they want to. Now I'm arguing.


Ahh yes. The ACLU is simply anti-chistrian claim. Heard that one many times and yet it's not true.

Actually, the ACLU doesn't; it, in fact, has defended Christians on a number of occasions.

Nice of you to bring that up. He probably won't belive it so I didn't bother.....

okay. hmmmm. persuasive argument.

but this is not the ACLU-bashing topic.

The Democrats have got to drop gun control as a plank in their platform. Not only are the current laws more than adequate, but since they've embraced gun control (1934), they've lost a majority of the elections.

I'd feel a lot better if they instead focused on law enforcement.

I really don't care about gay marriage, but I'd like them to choose:
Be anti abortion and death penalty, or be pro. Right now, it's okay to kill a 5 month gestated in utero, but not okay to kill a guy who killed 7 people.

I'm really not okay with that dichotomy.
I have to agree with this. The Democrats' stance on gun control just doesn't make sense to me. While I'm aware that it's a matter of restricting personal liberties for the protection of all, the studies show that murder rates have dropped much more quickly in states that have looser restrictions on guns. The number of accidental deaths doesn't even come close to making a difference.