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Ok, what if....

You could have the perfect mate; perfect body, perfect mind, sense of humor, intelligence, lifestyle choice, political beliefs, career path etc.... basically perfect in every way...but.....it was a robot, and you had to live the rest of your life with this person in the full knowledge that even though it was perfect to you, it was still a robot...

or..

You could take a regular human as a mate, with all of their various imperfections and flaws, and live with this person for the rest of your life knowing that they were hardly your ideal mate, but at least they're real...

Which one would you pick?

The person.

Besides, what does that say about you, as a person, if you refuse to have a relationship with a real person with imperfections? You are an imperfect being. Why must you be hypocritical?

If i HAD TO PICK....... i guess i would pick the robot b/c it is possible to love "things" so u could love a robot

The person, but only if she was perfectly capable of having kids.

If i HAD TO PICK....... i guess i would pick the robot b/c it is possible to love "things" so u could love a robot
But when the robot elopes with the vacuum cleaner think how hurt you will be!

Depends. Could i have sex with this robot?

"perfect body, perfect mind, sense of humor, intelligence, lifestyle choice, political beliefs, career path"

Wow. A skinny, brunette, brown eyed, dark humored, uber-intelligent, messy, communist, no hoper sex robot?

I want one. As long as it fetches me beer too.

But then as soon as i found a human close enough i'd ditch it. Or maybe not...hmm.

*thinks of turning it into a fem-bot assassin*

i miss understood the question so my answer sounds selfish. are u happy with the human if so i take them with all the imperection b/c that is just part of being human but if ur not happy wats the point?

Person

THE robot! I could sell it, and make more money... and then Get a real girl...

GBoF did say perfect body, so one assumes sex is an option.

I would go with the robot. Who cares what their origins are so long as they are sentient, have no malicious interests, and can interact with a human in every way a real human can?

Shit, am I the only person here who isn't selfish and would prefer a real connection with a person rather than a mindless object?

Hope your happy with your brainless sex object. If you'll excuse me, I'll be in the real world meeting real girls and having real connections with them. One at a time of course. And once I get past my nervous issues.

Person.

Then again, does this robot pass the Turin test?

Colodia: The robots are sentient and very intelligent, as the material above states. Even if they weren't intelligent, half the guys who play NS and use the forums are horney enough to jump for the sex toy.

GBoF did say perfect body, so one assumes sex is an option.

I would go with the robot. Who cares what their origins are so long as they are sentient, have no malicious interests, and can interact with a human in every way a real human can?

Yes sex is an option, it would be like your real mate, indistinguishable in anyway from a real human, except for the fact that it wasn't one.

Colodia: The robots are sentient and very intelligent, as the material above states. Even if they weren't intelligent, half the guys who play NS and use the forums are horney enough to jump for the sex toy.
Is that an agreement or a disagreement?

If the robot is sentient, it isn't mindless.

Robot, as long as it's sentient.

The person.

Despite the fact that real women have exhorbitant maintenance requirements a robots with that degree of sophistication would be far higher.

Seriously though, I think part of the fulfillment gained from relationships (and I have many failed relationships) is from the misunderstandings, discussion and the personnal growth that this motivates.

If I had a robot that only existed to gratify my needs how would I learn about other people or indeed myself.

Plus, make-up sex is A-W-E-S-O-M-E :D

Sorry but the one thing I have learned in life it is that when you lose the one you Love the only thing that always stays in your mind are the little flaws that she has. I don't mean that in a bad way I mean the flaws that you begain to love the flwas that make her the way se is.

Shit, am I the only person here who isn't selfish and would prefer a real connection with a person rather than a mindless object?

Hope your happy with your brainless sex object. If you'll excuse me, I'll be in the real world meeting real girls and having real connections with them. One at a time of course. And once I get past my nervous issues.

wait a HOur!

I just picked the robot for the money!

hmm "And once I get past my nervous issues" I know alot of girls... Okey they are Goth (like me MOHAHAHAHA) but anyway... I like them...


((sorry that my english sucks))

I probably gave this question more thought than it deserved. I kept thinking about that thread I read the other day about the guy who said he shared the same dream as his g/f and then went on about how it had shaped his life and screwed him up. Kind of a downer, but it showed a real connection between two people that you couldn't have with robot.

Person, definately.

No, it's not indistinguishable from a real human... because there is no such thing as the "perfect" mate among humans. Human relationships require adaptation and compromise. For one thing, I happen to like the feeling of "growing into" another person. Also, when I know that the other person is doing the same for me, I know she really loves me.

If the robot were already "perfect" and had no need to adapt to me, I would not ever feel like "she" loved me. I could only ever know that she was programmed to love me, and that is simply not good enough.

The person. I'm not comfortable with perfection.

Person.

But only if she could dance like a robot. That's hot.

You know, I'm actually a bit surprised by the overwhelming replies for person over robot. I thought more people, especially men, would pick the perfect robot mate. It's heartwarming to see that men really aren't as devoid of feelings and emotions as we women are led to believe.

Ok, what if....

You could have the perfect mate; perfect body, perfect mind, sense of humor, intelligence, lifestyle choice, political beliefs, career path etc.... basically perfect in every way...but.....it was a robot, and you had to live the rest of your life with this person in the full knowledge that even though it was perfect to you, it was still a robot...

or..

You could take a regular human as a mate, with all of their various imperfections and flaws, and live with this person for the rest of your life knowing that they were hardly your ideal mate, but at least they're real...

Which one would you pick?
There are political questions about love?

If it had all the characteristics you mention, this person would be indistinguishable from a biological human, and so I could love it with no compunction. It would have its imperfections, being a robot and all, but if it satisfied my needs it would suffice as "real" as good as a human mate.

You know, I'm actually a bit surprised by the overwhelming replies for person over robot. I thought more people, especially men, would pick the perfect robot mate. It's heartwarming to see that men really aren't as devoid of feelings and emotions as we women are led to believe.

You beat out a robot for our affection. A robot.

You know, I'm actually a bit surprised by the overwhelming replies for person over robot. I thought more people, especially men, would pick the perfect robot mate. It's heartwarming to see that men really aren't as devoid of feelings and emotions as we women are led to believe.

I'm not, though perhaps people aren't fully considering what "perfect" means.

You can say "well I dont want a perfect mate blah blah blah I like arguing", well fine, if the robot was the perfect mate for you, then surely she wouldn't agree with you on everything and there would still be that tension?

It depends on what you mean by "perfect", I suppose. If she was the absolute perfect match for you then if you wanted to "grow into" the relationship, then I would assume that's what you be doing.

Just my opinion.

Let's flip the switch. In one hand I possess the perfect woman. She is understanding, kind, generous of body and spirit. In the other hand a fem-bot: physically wonderful, but possessing of very few of the qualities (sense of humor, intellect, free-spirit, et all). Which would you pick?

Me, I'd probably take the robot. Why, you ask? I've already made love to women and been loved by women (quite a leap of faith to take for you since this message is coming from a person on a 'net message board, but nonetheless), I've yet to feel the bland, uncaring touch of a robot with the appearance of a female.

That and I'm assuming she's really friggin hot. The bot-babe I mean. She's a hot, right?

If the robot is sentient, it isn't mindless.

Robot, as long as it's sentient.

For the love of God will people please stop saying sentient. I get it, you were in the word of the month club. If you're trying to impress us, you should build us an uber-hot fem-bot.

You know, I'm actually a bit surprised by the overwhelming replies for person over robot. I thought more people, especially men, would pick the perfect robot mate. It's heartwarming to see that men really aren't as devoid of feelings and emotions as we women are led to believe.

Yeah, but maybe our girlfriends/wives are reading this too.

I'd vote for the person, I just can't comprehend how you could have a meaningful relationship with a machine. Please, no dildo responses. :)

If she was as intelligent and "perfect" as you say for me than that means she would have sentience in her own right and in ways be "imperfect" then I would pick the robot. I take it you haven't seen Armitage the III?

I'm not, though perhaps people aren't fully considering what "perfect" means.

You can say "well I dont want a perfect mate blah blah blah I like arguing", well fine, if the robot was the perfect mate for you, then surely she wouldn't agree with you on everything and there would still be that tension?

It depends on what you mean by "perfect", I suppose. If she was the absolute perfect match for you then if you wanted to "grow into" the relationship, then I would assume that's what you be doing.

Just my opinion.
Perfection is relative. Some people would thrive on discord, and so the perfect mate would not agree with them on everything.

Plus, there is a certain perfection in imperfection.

If she was as intelligent and "perfect" as you say for me than that means she would have sentience in her own right

Don't use the S word! You'll make people feel stupid! :P

Don't use the S word! You'll make people feel stupid!"What, Jew?"

While I’m sure that a person could live a very satisfied life with a robot partner I think that there is something intangible to a human being. Everything else out there can be expressed in a mathematical formula and certain predictions can be made for it. Human beings are the only entity that is greater than the sum of its parts.

A robot lover is a sure fire way to endear us to abuse. An always loving, never judgmental being might be able to debate the ethos of your behavior but it will never give you that wake up call, when you look into its eyes you won’t aspire to do, or be more. It won’t love you despite of your faults it will because of your faults, because ultimately your faults define you to it just as much as your virtues, everything you do will be judged on the basis of logic and assigned a variable.

I’m failing miserably to get my point across but that furthers my point in and of its self. The fact that I can’t place a finger on humanity like that merely shows more of our mystique.

If I ever fail my lover, she will accept me as is. I believe that our relationship is strong enough to handle some trauma. At the same time the look in her eyes when I’ve failed her motivates me to not do it again. The look on her face when I try to make it up to her motivates me to be better in my actions. Most importantly I know that when she touches me later, in that way, it’s not to make me happy but to experience a connection that transcends the mere chemical hormonal response.

While I believe that technological advancement is key, and I might very well see this robot as a masturbatory aid one day, I will not be sharing my soul with it. When this robot can do something without being able to explain it by logic or mathematics, it has only scratched the surface of what it means to be sentient.

its human nature to seek out change and enjoy it - and thats why people are attracted to other people and usually why it doesnt work out... but seriously if you had this perfect robot that never changed wouldn't you get a bit bored??? Id prefer to have someone that could change and adapt and would be free to leave me the moment i turned into an .... well lets just say idiot

While I’m sure that a person could live a very satisfied life with a robot partner I think that there is something intangible to a human being. Everything else out there can be expressed in a mathematical formula and certain predictions can be made for it. Human beings are the only entity that is greater than the sum of its parts.

A robot lover is a sure fire way to endear us to abuse. An always loving, never judgmental being might be able to debate the ethos of your behavior but it will never give you that wake up call, when you look into its eyes you won’t aspire to do, or be more. It won’t love you despite of your faults it will because of your faults, because ultimately your faults define you to it just as much as your virtues, everything you do will be judged on the basis of logic and assigned a variable.
-Actually if we could accurately predict all quantum level effects, we could probably explain all of what a human is.

-While always loving never judgemental being might be your idea of perfect, it ain't mine.

-Actually if we could accurately predict all quantum level effects, we could probably explain all of what a human is.
Godel. Heisenberg.

-While always loving never judgemental being might be your idea of perfect, it ain't mine.Awww, come on. We're not saying womenfolk just go for us big luggs, no questions asked. We're saying they do ask questions. They do tell us when we screw up. But they love us anyway, flaws and all.

Godel. Heisenberg.

Awww, come on. We're not saying womenfolk just go for us big luggs, no questions asked. We're saying they do ask questions. They do tell us when we screw up. But they love us anyway, flaws and all.
-Actually it's impossible to truly predict it all, which is pretty much what you would have to do.

- He was talking about what the "perfect" robot would act like.

-Actually if we could accurately predict all quantum level effects, we could probably explain all of what a human is.

-While always loving never judgemental being might be your idea of perfect, it ain't mine.

I disagree. While we would be able to predict it to an unprecedented degree of certainty I think that humanity is a never ending enigma. Every field of science unlocks certain secrets, while raising other questions. While we may be on an ever accelerating course towards ‘ultimate knowledge of humanity’ we find as we proceed along the path that the learning curve is exponentially increasing with us.

I can see your point here. It raised an interesting question. With no example to point to, and the term bordering on the Meta physical, how can one ever define perfect? Would not perfect be set high anytime we found it because there’d be ‘some’ way to improve upon it?

-Actually it's impossible to truly predict it all, which is pretty much what you would have to do.

- He was talking about what the "perfect" robot would act like.I predict that tomorrow, the sun will rise. In the East.

As for your second point, I no longer have the ability to parse sentences for meaning.

I predict that tomorrow, the sun will rise. In the East.

As for your second point, I no longer have the ability to parse sentences for meaning.
- I was talking about quantum effects of the human brain


He posted this A robot lover is a sure fire way to endear us to abuse. An always loving, never judgmental being might be able to debate the ethos of your behavior but it will never give you that wake up call, when you look into its eyes you won’t aspire to do, or be more. It won’t love you despite of your faults it will because of your faults, because ultimately your faults define you to it just as much as your virtues, everything you do will be judged on the basis of logic and assigned a variable.


My point was that I would not consider someone "perfect" if they were always loving and never judgemental. Anyone who would condone what Charles Manson or Tim McVeigh did is not by any means "perfect".

No, it's not indistinguishable from a real human... because there is no such thing as the "perfect" mate among humans. Human relationships require adaptation and compromise. For one thing, I happen to like the feeling of "growing into" another person. Also, when I know that the other person is doing the same for me, I know she really loves me.

If the robot were already "perfect" and had no need to adapt to me, I would not ever feel like "she" loved me. I could only ever know that she was programmed to love me, and that is simply not good enough.

Except you would change over time forcing her to adapt.

The person.

I probably gave this question more thought than it deserved. I kept thinking about that thread I read the other day about the guy who said he shared the same dream as his g/f and then went on about how it had shaped his life and screwed him up. Kind of a downer, but it showed a real connection between two people that you couldn't have with robot.

Person, definately.I think I know the thread you mean. I didn't think it a downer. But you're right about one thing. You could never have a connection like described in that essay with a robot. It's a great arguement for the person.

i would go with a real person, unless the robot could erase all my knowledge of it being a robot

I'd probably go with whichever had the better English accent. Or flip a coin or something. Since, to be perfect, the robot would have to have flaws *anyway* (from my point of view, at least), you're basically just asking if I want to be with something natural or something created. And I can't say I'd be bothered either way, really. Then again, I might have just been single for too long. I wonder what science has to say about sexual frustration affecting judgement...

"perfect body, perfect mind, sense of humor, intelligence, lifestyle choice, political beliefs, career path"

Wow. A skinny, brunette, brown eyed, dark humored, uber-intelligent, messy, communist, no hoper sex robot?

I want one. As long as it fetches me beer too.

But then as soon as i found a human close enough i'd ditch it. Or maybe not...hmm.

*thinks of turning it into a fem-bot assassin*

7/9 for me then. Maybe 8 if you define 'uber-intelligent' loosely enough. And I can't decide if it's the beer thing or the no hoper thing that's the other non-match. Ah well, not important really.

7/9 for me then. Maybe 8 if you define 'uber-intelligent' loosely enough. And I can't decide if it's the beer thing or the no hoper thing that's the other non-match. Ah well, not important really.

Hey.

I'd take the person, every time. My wife and I have quite different political beliefs (if you think I'm liberal-minded you should meet her) and our family backgrounds are very diffferent, but I think that's what brought us so close in the first place. There were things we agreed on, and things we agreed to disagree on. I got her interested in hockey, and she got me interested (again, after being very jaded) in football.

Besides, if it was a robot I'd always be worrying about getting a few thousand volts through my bellend during rough sex. :mad:

You love someone for their defects not their perfections. I would chose a person because you would be better than hem in some things while the robot would get anoying because she can do everything better than you.

You could bang her but she would be better at that too.
You couldnt love her not for long.

I would go for the robot...

First of all, the robot does not have to be perfect, it just has to be perfect for you. I am thinking of the robot as a mix between (wo)man and machine. A human body, but with a computerised controlsystem. If the computerised controlsystem, or the brain of the robot, is 'perfect enough' for me, it would just act like a woman's brain. The robot would be a person just like everybody else, with wishes, desires, fears, etc. At that point, saying that the robot is 'not like a real human' would be greatly unjust towards the person the robot is.

the robot would get anoying because she can do everything better than you.
If you believe my wife and her friends, this is true of women anyway, not just robots. :D
If the computerised controlsystem, or the brain of the robot, is 'perfect enough' for me, it would just act like a woman's brain.
Again... how can it be "perfect" and act like a woman's brain? When my wife is being what I consider perfect, she is pointing out I'm being an arsehole when I'm drunk, as opposed to tolerating that. She is being perfect when she constantly gets at me to get a task done, as opposed to doing it for me because I can't be arsed.

If I had a subservient, beautiful, domesticated automaton I'd soon get bored. No, I think perfection is a myth.

Person.

I find beauty in imperfection.
Someone who's too perfect would get mighty irritating after a while.

No question about it. Give me the human.

My point was that I would not consider someone "perfect" if they were always loving and never judgemental. Anyone who would condone what Charles Manson or Tim McVeigh did is not by any means "perfect".

You don't seem to understand. The perfect girl, for YOU. As in, they wouldn't be all loving and never judgmental, unless that's what you like in a girl.

If I had a subservient, beautiful, domesticated automaton I'd soon get bored. No, I think perfection is a myth.
And why would it be a subservient, beautiful, domesticated automaton. If the idea of the perfect girl is the one who yells at you for getting drunk so be it.

People are seeming to just sorta grab for the concept that the robot is one way or another, or unable to conform to what you'd want in a girl, or unable to change if you ever got bored with it. But thisis not what he's suggesting...the only difference bwtween the human girl and the robot one is the fact that one is a robot. That is the SOLE difference.

But (and this contradicts my whole post), I'd take the person.

People are seeming to just sorta grab for the concept that the robot is one way or another, or unable to conform to what you'd want in a girl....
Okay, point taken. But if you could have a robot that was really able to be what you want in a partner, how does that really make it any different to an actual woman? Is it just that it won't have any sense of feelings should you be content to go off and shag other people? You could do what you wanted with it without it once complaining? It wouldn't have expectations of you?

Still doesn't sound as good as a good ol' unpredictable and contrary woman!

Out of curiosity how many of you choosing the person have a stable long term relationship? The other side?

Is perhaps our own personal biases and experiences interfering with out decision?

Call me greedy, but I'll have both, thank you very much.
Just plug the robot in and fire 'er up when the missus has a headache.
:)

I'd choose the flawed human being

Yes sex is an option, it would be like your real mate, indistinguishable in anyway from a real human, except for the fact that it wasn't one.


..in that case.. I might would want a robotoman. But I wouldn't fall in love with him(IT)! Also, I'd want to be the one to program him.

Out of curiosity how many of you choosing the person have a stable long term relationship? The other side?

Is perhaps our own personal biases and experiences interfering with out decision?
Well I've been married for over 5 years and been with her for 8, and I don't think it's possible to participate in a discussion like this without thinking about out own personal bias. I'd say that most people who are in a long-term relationship know that there's no such thing as a "perfect" partner, and you could not create one for someone unless they genuinely had no point of reference.

Even if we built this 'robot' to our own specs I doubt very much if it would last longer without needing an update than, say, an EA Sports game.