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You're either a patriot or a traitor. Patriots always try to buy American. Traitors don't.

Now, is it just me or is there something amiss here?

I don't always try to buy American.

Ergo I am not a patriot.

Never mind the fact that I am not, nor have I ever been an American...

Valid point. Let's see how long it takes Kahta to respond...assuming he/she does at all.

Now, is it just me or is there something amiss here?

I don't always try to buy American.

Ergo I am not a patriot.

Never mind the fact that I am not, nor have I ever been an American...

OMG you better not buy anything but burgers and turkey since things like pasta and pizza are actually national foods of Italy! Omg! You horrible traitors.

That's a logical fallicy...

Now, is it just me or is there something amiss here?

I don't always try to buy American.

Ergo I am not a patriot.

Never mind the fact that I am not, nor have I ever been an American...

What nationality are you?

well hows this one. Most American cars are made overseas while alot of Imports are made in the US of A. so which should we buy, The American Brand name made in Canada, or the Japanese Brand name made in the MidWest?

OMG you better not buy anything but burgers and turkey since things like pasta and pizza are actually national foods of Italy! Omg! You horrible traitors.

I take it you've never been to Italy and had an Italian Pizza?

well hows this one. some American cars are made overseas while a few Imports are made in the US of A. so which should we buy, The American Brand name made in Canada, or the Japanese Brand name made in the MidWest?

Fixed.

Well don't shop at Walmart, don't wear Levis, (come to think of it don't wear clothes because it's all made in China now), buy a Schwinn bike, a Sunbeam product, or 100% of the TVs, DVD players, stereos, home appliances, and radios at most outlets. The PC your using may have been assembled in the US, but all the components come from Asia.

Right now about the only thing an American stands a chance of buying that was made in America is their house.

I think they were making a gesture on the government and mindset of some people

I'm an American patriot. I am drinking a Samuel Adams beer. Doesn't get much more patriotic than that.

Just a thought; but if partiotism is measured in respect to the nation of the person, than isn't the Taliban the most patriotic organization in excistance?

Just a thought; but if partiotism is measured in respect to the nation of the person, than isn't the Taliban the most patriotic organization in excistance?

What about the Nazi's?

*shudders*

Just a thought; but if partiotism is measured in respect to the nation of the person,


What do you mean 'if'? No other reading makes any kind of sense.

... than isn't the Taliban the most patriotic organization in excistance?

Possibly a bad example as they are something of a trans-national organisation, unlike, say, WWII Japanese kamikaze pilots.

Now, is it just me or is there something amiss here?

I don't always try to buy American.

Ergo I am not a patriot.

Never mind the fact that I am not, nor have I ever been an American...

Yeah, but you want to be one.

Yeah, but you want to be one.

Really? Elucidate if you would.

I am a patriot. I will fight the government until one of us dies. :cool:

I'm an American patriot. I am drinking a Samuel Adams beer. Doesn't get much more patriotic than that.
You're in Boston? Is that in the US? :eek:

Really? Elucidate if you would.

Well I prefer not to eludicate immediately after a meal but very well:

You live in unAmerica. Therefore you want to be American. Simple

Oh, unless you love terrorists, hate America, and want to see it destroyed. I keep forgetting that part.

I'm a partiot. I don't care what country's stuff I buy so long as I can have a party.

I go after the best possible deal, whether it was made in Detroit or Taiwan doesn't matter to me.

If that's not American I don't know what is :D

About the pizza thing, it was invented in New Haven, CT by Italian immigrents(sp?). So it is American.

About the pizza thing, it was invented in New Haven, CT by Italian immigrents(sp?). So it is American.

Lots of americans would have you think that, but italians in italy have been eating round flat bread with cheese and tomato baked on to it for hundreds of years.

Damn those New Haveners with there conspiricys! They must be stopped!

Lots of americans would have you think that, but italians in italy have been eating round flat bread with cheese and tomato baked on to it for hundreds of years.
1. Go to Italy, buy a Pizza.
2. Go to New York, buy a Pizza.

Once you do this you will see they are NOT the same thing AT ALL

1. Go to Italy, buy a Pizza.
2. Go to New York, buy a Pizza.

Once you do this you will see they are NOT the same thing AT ALL
You could do that with about any ethnic food though.

I've been told Chinese food in China is very different then Chinese food in Britain.

But the first pizza was the Margaritta, made (alledgedly) for the lady Margaritta, which was basil, tomato and mozzerella on a flat dough base. The toppings represented the Italian flag.

Although in America there is no such thing as a margaritta pizza for some reason. You go for the succint name, cheese pizza.

But the first pizza was the Margaritta, made (alledgedly) for the lady Margaritta, which was basil, tomato and mozzerella on a flat dough base. The toppings represented the Italian flag.



What represented the blue?

You could do that with about any ethnic food though.
I've been told Chinese food in China is very different then Chinese food in Britain.

I can assure you that this is indeed true. Asking for fried rice for example will most likely bring puzzled stares.

What represented the blue?
There's blue in the flag?

Anyway, I'm not speaking from any authority. Just passing on a story that a friend told me (who's dad owned an Italian resturant)

I take it you've never been to Italy and had an Italian Pizza?
nasty stuff.

There's blue in the flag?

Anyway, I'm not speaking from any authority. Just passing on a story that a friend told me (who's dad owned an Italian resturant)

This is the flag of the kingdom of Italy during the lifetime of Margarita:

http://flagspot.net/images/i/it-1897m.gif

You could do that with about any ethnic food though.
I've been told Chinese food in China is very different then Chinese food in Britain.
I can assure you that this is indeed true. Asking for fried rice for example will most likely bring puzzled stares.

Seeing as DH is is China (Honk Kong, IIRC - forgive me if I'm wrong), I'll take his word on it. I did however have "fried rice" cooked by an old girlfriend from Shanghai. And it is a standard "Chinese" dish here in Japan.
I would be quite curious to know how it came in to being. :)

About the pizza thing, it was invented in New Haven, CT by Italian immigrents(sp?). So it is American.

Perhaps pan pizzas (or "Pizza pies" as some people call them) were invented in the states, but the original, thin crusted pizza was a development on the Italian peninsula from an original Roman idea of topping Jewish passover breads with cheese and other toppings when they held the western middle east.

I say Italian peninsula because after the collapse of the Roman Empire, Italy dissolved into independent principalities such as Florence, Venice, the Papal States and Sicily and was only re-unified as one nation in the 1830's. Whilst the USA became independent from Britain in 1776, many of the Italian migrants came in the surge of European Migrants around 1924.

This is the flag of the kingdom of Italy during the lifetime of Margarita:

http://flagspot.net/images/i/it-1897m.gif
Interesting.

If I see him again I'll ask him.

Interesting.

If I see him again I'll ask him.

Yeah, well as you know, it would be unlike me to be needlessly pedantic...

Seeing as DH is is China (Honk Kong, IIRC - forgive me if I'm wrong), I'll take his word on it. I did however have "fried rice" cooked by an old girlfriend from Shanghai. And it is a standard "Chinese" dish here in Japan.
I would be quite curious to know how it came in to being. :)

Well I dunno about down South but we certainly have fried rice here in the North-East. There's a stall quite close to my appartment that sells fried rice, with egg, sausage and leek, and fried noodles.

I would think exercising your right to buy non-American products would be patriotic...

You guys hijacked a thread made to annoy someone. :eek: :confused:

Yeah, well as you know, it would be unlike me to be needlessly pedantic...
:D

Everything you buy today (well, almost everything) has at least one piece that was made somewhere besides the US. If you have evidence proving otherwise, PLEASE tell me. I'm under the impression that we are open to trade for a damn good reason.

You guys hijacked a thread made to annoy someone. :eek: :confused:

No, that wasn't the intent: just to show the danger of making statements without thinking them through.

i only bring this up because of threads kahta has started in the past.....

i think he must have that sig because his mom refused to buy him that used mercedes he had his eye on so he had to settle for his american made SUV.

as a teen boy what does he actually buy himself besides video games CDs and fast food?

I always try to buy American products whnever possible. People that don't are not patriotic.

I always try to buy American products whnever possible. People that don't are not patriotic.

Umm, i take it you read none of the above thread

i only bring this up because of threads kahta has started in the past.....

i think he must have that sig because his mom refused to buy him that used mercedes he had his eye on so he had to settle for his american made SUV.

as a teen boy what does he actually buy himself besides video games CDs and fast food?

No, its more like: I realized the cost of maintaining a Mercedes, and decided on an American SUV. Plus having a mercedes worked on is a few hundred dollars an hour.

I always try to buy American products whnever possible. People that don't are not patriotic.

Even if they are not American?

Even if they are not American?

And even if the sale of these products is ultimately harming America. No patriotism requires the use of sense, i should think that buying what is BEST for your country would be the more patriotic course of action.

Umm, i take it you read none of the above thread

No I didn't.

I always try to buy American products whnever possible. People that don't are not patriotic.


Pure ignorance. Gotta love it.

No I didn't.

Then why post and make yourself look stupid(er)

Pure ignorance. Gotta love it.

I would definitely have to agree. Kahta obviously has no real world experience, so should not make assumptions known to be utterly rediculous to any one not living in "Daddy's" house. Dude, grow up and then try your "patriotism" in real life.

I would definitely have to agree. Kahta obviously has no real world experience, so should not make assumptions known to be utterly rediculous to any one not living in "Daddy's" house. Dude, grow up and then try your "patriotism" in real life.
Give the guy some credit. He invented a whole new dimension of shopping.
Cheap -> Expensive
Poor quality -> High quality
Unamerican -> American

Then why post and make yourself look stupid(er)

Because there was nothing to really reply to. It was all speculation about me.

Pure ignorance. Gotta love it.

Wow, that appears to be a flame. In fact, I think this whole thread is flamebait against me.

Because there was nothing to really reply to.

Would you mind replying to my question then:


I always try to buy American products whnever possible. People that don't are not patriotic.

Even if they are not American?

Wow, that appears to be a flame. In fact, I think this whole thread is flamebait against me.
How can flamebait be against someone?

Wow, that appears to be a flame. In fact, I think this whole thread is flamebait against me.

Well i suggest you READ IT

Would you mind replying to my question then:

Its directed towards Americans obviously...

Its directed towards Americans obviously...

Ever considered the fact that you are addressing it to a worldwide readership on this site?

Ever considered the fact that you are addressing it to a worldwide readership on this site?

Whatever, people will know that its directed to Americans.

Whatever, people will know that its directed to Americans.


What about Americans who commit acts of treason such as giving enemies "Aid and Comfort" or levvying war against the US but still always try to buy American? Are they traitors or patriots? According to your definition they are patriots.

What about Americans who commit acts of treason such as giving enemies "Aid and Comfort" or levvying war against the US but still always try to buy American? Are they traitors or patriots? According to your definition they are patriots.

You're trying to bother me. I'm going to ignore everything you say from now on.

Is this thread funny enough to justify taking Kahta off my ignore list? Just for a few minutes?

Is this thread funny enough to justify taking Kahta off my ignore list? Just for a few minutes?

Why am I on your ignore list?

Why am I on your ignore list?
Well, you assume that somebody who wants you to justify what you say is flamebaiting

Im a patriot.

I dont see why I should by US. I should buy British!

I dunno, something about "chinks" and "jap crap."

This thread wasn't that funny, so back you go!

I take it you've never been to Italy and had an Italian Pizza?

Those own, they are better than any pizza made in america 100 times over.

You're trying to bother me.

No, just trying to prove that your simple definition breaks down rather easily.



I'm going to ignore everything you say from now on.

Fair enough.

Wow, that appears to be a flame. In fact, I think this whole thread is flamebait against me.

It was not a flame, merely exposing the truth about the statement in your sig.

I strongly disagree with the point of Kahta's sig. I think exercising my freedom to buy from whomever I choose is an American, God-given, fundamental right! Protectionism, like mercantilism and nationalism, is just another form of "do what is wrong for you, so that the State prospers."

However, I also disagree with the ad hominem attacks above about how Kahta doesn't know about the real world, etc etc. If "you're not old enough" was really a valid argument on this board, then I can just immediately dismiss about 90% of you right now without even listening, cuz I winz0rz.

Why am I on your ignore list?

he cant read that, if my thought process is correct

I strongly disagree with the point of Kahta's sig. I think exercising my freedom to buy from whomever I choose is an American, God-given, fundamental right! Protectionism, like mercantilism and nationalism, is just another form of "do what is wrong for you, so that the State prospers."

However, I also disagree with the ad hominem attacks above about how Kahta doesn't know about the real world, etc etc. If "you're not old enough" was really a valid argument on this board, then I can just immediately dismiss about 90% of you right now without even listening, cuz I winz0rz.

If I buy someone thats made in America, it will indirectly benefit me because someone will be paid for their job, and they will pay taxes on their income, and I son't have to pay more taxes. (And don't jump on me for this thing about taxes, I believe in a solid 35% rate for all.)

Now, is it just me or is there something amiss here?

I don't always try to buy American.

Ergo I am not a patriot.

Never mind the fact that I am not, nor have I ever been an American...

Then obviously the sig is not directed at you :rolleyes:

The problem with Kahta's logic is that if we did a nation wide boycott of international goods, we would be in short supply of what we need. Not to mention that most of our luxuries need power, and our power comes from oil. Our oil comes almost entirely from the rest of the world. The end result would damage the nation's economy. I hardly think that damaging the national economy is anything close to patriotic.

If I buy someone thats made in America...

I didn't know the Confederacy was still alive and killing.

Then obviously the sig is not directed at you :rolleyes:

originally asked of Kahta:

What about Americans who commit acts of treason such as giving enemies "Aid and Comfort" or levvying war against the US but still always try to buy American? Are they traitors or patriots? According to your definition they are patriots.

Well I dunno about down South but we certainly have fried rice here in the North-East. There's a stall quite close to my appartment that sells fried rice, with egg, sausage and leek, and fried noodles.

:D Well, Dailin, I'm glad to hear it. Good to hear that Huang-chan's cooking wasn't suspect. (She was, for all her other faults a TOTALLY AWSOME cook. No other cook has ever managed to make bell peppers palitable to me. Plus she was book smart as all hell.)


I think this whole thread is flamebait against me.

Clearly not all of it is agaisnt you... ;)

(And don't jump on me for this thing about taxes, I believe in a solid 35% rate for all.)

I don't, so naturally that's the first thing I would jump on. I don't think taxation is such a good thing.

The problem with Kahta's logic is that if we did a nation wide boycott of international goods, we would be in short supply of what we need. Not to mention that most of our luxuries need power, and our power comes from oil. Our oil comes almost entirely from the rest of the world. The end result would damage the nation's economy. I hardly think that damaging the national economy is anything close to patriotic.


1. I never said anything about a boycott. All I said is that, when possible, I always try to buy American. For many things I unfortunetly have to make exceptions, such as the inside of my computer has mostly imported parts, as most computer parts are made in Asia.

2. We import a little more than half of our oil and about 1/6 of our natural gas.

3. Our electricity is 71% fossil fuel, and most of that is coal.

4. You draw conclusions too quickly, I'm not damaging the national economy by buying American.

4. You draw conclusions too quickly, I'm not damaging the national economy by buying American.
Nor am I by buying things made elsewhere. The sellers STILL MAKE MOENY since they charge more than what they had to pay to get the goods in the first place. There ARE still things that you buy that are made in the US(food is a good example). And we still make things that other countries buy from us. Also, if not buying American damaged our economy, wouldn't we be in a FAR worse economy that we are now? After all, look at how many things we buy that are made elsewhere. Relax, and read up on economics.

Nor am I by buying things made elsewhere. The sellers STILL MAKE MOENY since they charge more than what they had to pay to get the goods in the first place. There ARE still things that you buy that are made in the US(food is a good example). And we still make things that other countries buy from us. Also, if not buying American damaged our economy, wouldn't we be in a FAR worse economy that we are now? After all, look at how many things we buy that are made elsewhere. Relax, and read up on economics.

You're suggesting I read up on economics? Last time I checked, trade deficits were bad, which is why I don't support them, and why I buy American. I don;t think you fail to realise what poor condition our economy is in, national debt is 60% of our GDP. Real wages have remained the same over the last 30 years, while the cost of everything else has gone up dramatically.

Seeing as DH is is China (Honk Kong, IIRC - forgive me if I'm wrong), I'll take his word on it. I did however have "fried rice" cooked by an old girlfriend from Shanghai. And it is a standard "Chinese" dish here in Japan.
I would be quite curious to know how it came in to being. :)
Ahh, but see that's Shanghai. I'm living in the Canton region. Down here they eat anything nd everything but fried rice!
Deep fried Cow's intestines, anyone?
As nasty as they sound!

Actually not exactly true about not eating fried rice. But it's usually part of a dish and not the fried rice as a meal in itself that we're used to in the West. The rice here is different, too. More glutinous so it's easier to pick up with chopsticks, which doesn't make it very agreeable to being fried. Comes out as fried lumps mostly.