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What if right after WWII, America hadnt stepped in? What if we didnt go on the largest reconstruction project the world had ever seen? What than? What if we didnt give money to even our darkest of enemys? By that I mean Japan and Germany. Could you imagine how different the world would be? Or the rest of Eastern and Central Europe for that matter. What do you all think?

What if right after WWII, America hadnt stepped in? What if we didnt go on the largest reconstruction project the world had ever seen? What than? What if we didnt give money to even our darkest of enemys? By that I mean Japan and Germany. Could you imagine how different the world would be? Or the rest of Eastern and Central Europe for that matter. What do you all think?
Three cheers for the marshall plan:D

What if right after WWII, America hadnt stepped in? What if we didnt go on the largest reconstruction project the world had ever seen? What than? What if we didnt give money to even our darkest of enemys? By that I mean Japan and Germany. Could you imagine how different the world would be? Or the rest of Eastern and Central Europe for that matter. What do you all think?
I think by now the White House would be the headquarters of the US communist party.

why? explain

What if right after WWII, America hadnt stepped in? What if we didnt go on the largest reconstruction project the world had ever seen? What than? What if we didnt give money to even our darkest of enemys? By that I mean Japan and Germany. Could you imagine how different the world would be? Or the rest of Eastern and Central Europe for that matter. What do you all think?
Japan and Germany were no longer enemies after WWII.

And undoubtably the US put up a staggering amount of money, but you seem to be trying to paint it as pure altruism rather then a defensive policy against the USSR.

i would live life normally until the Ruskies parachute into america while im in school and shoot my teacher then me and my friends will hide out in the woods and become the wolverines and fight the commies in the name of democracy.

why? explain
Ever played the rather boring game freedom fighters?

There would be a whole lot less bitching about how much we suck, thats for sure.
Of course, most of the planet would be covered in twenty feet of glass, but we should get our priorities straight here ;)

Japan and Germany were no longer enemies after WWII.

And undoubtably the US put up a staggering amount of money, but you seem to be trying to paint it as pure altruism rather then a defensive policy against the USSR.



Germany was split in two, East and West and the East side sure wasn't Pro-USA. Then the USSR tried to get all of Berlin in the East but that was fortunatly stopped. One side of the city in their hands was bad enough already.

Ever played the rather boring game freedom fighters?

nope but i played X-men legends and wolverines awsome.

Germany was split in two, East and West and the East side sure wasn't Pro-USA. Then the USSR tried to get all of Berlin in the East but that was fortunatly stopped. One side of the city in their hands was bad enough already.
I know.

I think by now the White House would be the headquarters of the US communist party.

*nods*

I think your right, the Marshall Plan made Friends and Allies of our enemies for what? 50 years at least? They are still our allies, even if we dont always see eye to eye on things.

If we had not performed a Mashall plan it might very well be that West Germany would have collapsed in the 1970's when the American economy and military strenght was at an ebb.

It is weakness, not strenght, that enboldens your enemies. No one has ever been attacked for being too strong, at least not that I am aware of. If anyone knows of such an instance I would be more than happy to learn about it.

If nothing else we would likely have a more antagonistic relationship with Germany and Japan.

no one ever saw that 80's movie red dawn. thats exactley what i was talking about.

Ever played the rather boring game freedom fighters?

No, but I STILL play Civ II - 4 LYF!

nope but i played X-men legends and wolverines awsome.
The Soviet Union rules Europe at the end of WWII. Topples governments US style all around. And all of the sudden the US finds themselves alone. And then the Red Army rolls in to free the working class.
Of course in the game a plumber organises the resistance and he and his rebels drive out the entire Red Army from the US without ever leaving new york.

no one ever saw that 80's movie red dawn. thats exactley what i was talking about.

No, but they may be familiar with Pastor Richard's rant in Vice City.

What if right after WWII, America hadnt stepped in? What if we didnt go on the largest reconstruction project the world had ever seen? What than? What if we didnt give money to even our darkest of enemys? By that I mean Japan and Germany. Could you imagine how different the world would be? Or the rest of Eastern and Central Europe for that matter. What do you all think?

You mean "what if america didn't give money to everyone so they could reap major economic bonuses that would soon follow?"

Beats me. I guess the US would be a less powerful economic force.

The Marshall Plan wasn't just a boy Scout good deed, it was an investment. It was the main reason why the US came out of WWII the superpower that it did.

no one ever saw that 80's movie red dawn. thats exactley what i was talking about.
I think Freedom Fighters was inspired by Red Dawn. I saw it twice by the way.
600 million screaming Chinese.
But I thought there were 1 billion Chinese?
There were.

no one ever saw that 80's movie red dawn. thats exactley what i was talking about.
I knew what you were talking about...good movie. Thing is, I'd have been one of the one's hiding out shooting enemies, not standing there to get shot.

But more to the point... The US has done ALOT that it didn't have to, and although it may not have been for altruistic reasons, it's better than if we had just decided to go around colonizing the world don't you think?

The US has done ALOT that it didn't have to, and although it may not have been for altruistic reasons, it's better than if we had just decided to go around colonizing the world don't you think?
You mean the US isn't doing that just now? And it never did it in the past?

.............
Of course in the game a plumber organises the resistance and he and his rebels drive out the entire Red Army from the US without ever leaving new york.



MARIO STRIKES AGAIN....... but wow think of it the US as communist :eek: something to dream about and now i have an answer to "if i could change something in time wat would it be"

Wonder how many lives would have been saved if the US had entered ww2 when it started as opposed to arriving over two years late ?
Hmm "what ifs" suck
:)

... it's better than if we had just decided to go around colonizing the world don't you think?

Now there's an idea. No doubt South America would be better off if we ran it.

Ever played the rather boring game freedom fighters?
Yep, beat it in.... ohhh.... half an hour. Can't believe I spent the 40$ on it. But it was an interesting scenario.

Wonder how many lives would have been saved if the US had entered ww2 when it started as opposed to arriving over two years late ?
Hmm "what ifs" suck
:)


We should have stayed out of WWI, let Germany win, and prevented WWII.

Wonder how many lives would have been saved if the US had entered ww2 when it started as opposed to arriving over two years late ?
Hmm "what ifs" suck
:)

The U.S. was not ready to fight a war the size of World War II when it began. If the U.S. had not taken the 2 years to build up it's military (and how it was done in this amount of time is still miraculous) it would have been soundly beaten by the Nazis and their run of Europe would have stood unchecked.

Besides, had Hitler not decided to invade Russia, Germany would have won the war anyways.

We should have stayed out of WWI, let Germany win, and prevented WWII.
Germany wouldn't have won WWI even if the US didn't fight.

Wonder how many lives would have been saved if the US had entered ww2 when it started as opposed to arriving over two years late ?
Hmm "what ifs" suck
:)
What if the French had taken over the colonies w=instead of supporting them?
What if Ceasar had decided he wanted to be a musician instead of a warlord?
What if the armies of Kiew had beaten back the Mongol hordes?
What if Russia had taken back it's general mobilisation when Germany gave them the ultimatum?
What if the Italians had stuck by their German-Austrian allies?
What if the Cimbrians had decided to march straight for Rome after whiping out a Roman army of over 100,000 men? Or the Teutons?
Aaaahhhh....I could go on for a while.

i would live life normally until the Ruskies parachute into america while im in school and shoot my teacher then me and my friends will hide out in the woods and become the wolverines and fight the commies in the name of democracy.
:D
That was a very iteresting movie
It was strange how the government never reacted

Germany wouldn't have won WWI even if the US didn't fight.
I think exhaustion on both sides sooner or later had forced them to give up. And return to the situation prior to 1914.

What if the French had taken over the colonies w=instead of supporting them?
What if Ceasar had decided he wanted to be a musician instead of a warlord?
What if the armies of Kiew had beaten back the Mongol hordes?
What if Russia had taken back it's general mobilisation when Germany gave them the ultimatum?
What if the Italians had stuck by their German-Austrian allies?
What if the Cimbrians had decided to march straight for Rome after whiping out a Roman army of over 100,000 men? Or the Teutons?
Aaaahhhh....I could go on for a while.
It is sooo true
The world of possibility is unfathomable

You mean the US isn't doing that just now? And it never did it in the past?

Only a few times. Philippines, Guam...that's about it.

What if the French had taken over the colonies w=instead of supporting them?
What if Ceasar had decided he wanted to be a musician instead of a warlord?
What if the armies of Kiew had beaten back the Mongol hordes?
What if Russia had taken back it's general mobilisation when Germany gave them the ultimatum?
What if the Italians had stuck by their German-Austrian allies?
What if the Cimbrians had decided to march straight for Rome after whiping out a Roman army of over 100,000 men? Or the Teutons?
Aaaahhhh....I could go on for a while.
Please do, particularly with your amusing "Italians sticking by their allies" gag.

I think exhaustion on both sides sooner or later had forced them to give up. And return to the situation prior to 1914.
Although there were a lot of factors negatively effecting Germany at the time whic would have meant that they would give before their enemies.

Please do, particularly with your amusing "Italians sticking by their allies" gag.
What gag?

Although there were a lot of factors negatively effecting Germany at the time whic would have meant that they would give before their enemies.

But you'd also have to take away any material aid that the UK was recieving from the US.

Although there were a lot of factors negatively effecting Germany at the time whic would have meant that they would give before their enemies.

It got so bad in Germany that 40 year old men were being conscripted to fight and sent to the front lines with little or no training, and artillery guns were so worn out that German shells were falling on their own men.

But you'd also have to take away any material aid that the UK was recieving from the US.
If that was the case, I would go with what Von W said.

Although there were a lot of factors negatively effecting Germany at the time whic would have meant that they would give before their enemies.
Maybe. But the appearance of American troops that weren't affected by nearly 4 years of trench warfare gave the Allies a boost.

What gag?
Good god man you were serious?

It got so bad in Germany that 40 year old men were being conscripted to fight and sent to the front lines with little or no training, and artillery guns were so worn out that German shells were falling on their own men.
Not to mention the Naval Blockade that was starving Germany into defeat, the flu epidemic or the social troubles on the home front.

Good god man you were serious?
Yes. I was. Italy was allied with Germany and Austria. But when war broke out they renounced their alliance with them and declared neutrality. In accordance with the secret French-Italian treaty of 1902. Which insured Italian neutrality in case of a French-German conflict. Regardless of who strated it. Later Italy joined the allies in hopes of territorial gain around the medditeranian sea. But it gained nothing and was the deceived deceiver in the end.

What gag?
I think he was hinting at jokes likes

"How many gears does an Italian tank have"

"What is the shortest book in the world"

"Germans salute like this (Nazi salute), Italians salute like this (both hands in the air)" [OK, that one doesn't work over the internet, but you get my point]

Wasn't there a flu epidemic throughout all of Europe near the end of WWI?

Yes. I was. Italy was allied with Germany and Austria. But when war broke out they renounced their alliance with them and declared neutrality. In accordance with the secret French-Italian treaty of 1902. Which insured Italian neutrality in case of a French-German conflict. Regardless of who strated it. Later Italy joined the allies in hopes of territorial gain around the medditeranian sea. But it gained nothing and was the deceived deceiver in the end.
It got South Tyrol didn't it?

But that was about it.

Wasn't there a flu epidemic throughout all of Europe near the end of WWI?
Yes. But the allies were in a far better situation to deal with it.

It got South Tyrol didn't it?

But that was about it.
Oh yeah. Right. I take back the deceived deceiver comment. They got what they deserved.;)

I think he was hinting at jokes likes

"How many gears does an Italian tank have"

"What is the shortest book in the world"

"Germans salute like this (Nazi salute), Italians salute like this (both hands in the air)" [OK, that one doesn't work over the internet, but you get my point]
Thank you, thats what I was going for,
oooh btw you still off the cigs?

MARIO STRIKES AGAIN....... but wow think of it the US as communist :eek: something to dream about and now i have an answer to "if i could change something in time wat would it be"

Yeah!! Mario!!

seriously, I think that if we didn't invest, then the much weakened Europeans would be fighting the much weakened Soviets for a long war that would kill about a million or so people. In the end, I think the Soviets would have Europe. America wouldn't have a bunch of countries to stand in the Soviets way. We'd be at peace, both redeveloping our economy, and the Communist would be rebuilding Europe, but the French, Turks, Italians, and Portugese would be speaking Russian, with the possible exception of the UK. The Soviets would start to get brave, and would attack the Middle East, giving communism a path to Africa, and giving it most of the world's oil. By this point, they may be almost unstopable. They would've pressed on to Afghanistan and India, Then helping the North Vietnamese, and spread Communism to Indochina, and Indonesia. At this same time, another force would be taking the new nations in Africa, which are almost defenseless. Now that they would've had all of Europe, Asia, and Africa, the US would've likely declared war by now. Well, the Soviets would've attacked Austrailia, and then Japan. They would've then attacked Alaska, Canada, then entered the U.S homeland. Fighting for the homeland would've been expensive for both sides, and could've cost..... 15 to 27 million lives, probably 75% American. If the Soviets conquered America, then good luck, South America. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: Now see how investng billions of dollars could make a big diference. Reply to me sometime. Long post. :p

Canadians would bitch about how we have all this power and we don't use it to help out other nations. Then God will be all like "WTF, these Americans aren't going to help start a chain of events that will eventually lead to the apocalypse? I QUIT!"

hte middle east being mostly muslim would fight back with all there men and followers jsut b/c the commies are athiest. and they might of won b/c of there extrem belife and how they stand behind it

Thank you, thats what I was going for,
oooh btw you still off the cigs?
Not quite. But I have an incentive. If I haven't quite by the time lectures start again I have to cough up a twenty quid to a friend.

Europe would be a third world nation and the Soviet Union would have descended into civil war or disintegration due to it being unable to feed its own people.

Europe would be a third world nation
:confused:

hte middle east being mostly muslim would fight back with all there men and followers jsut b/c the commies are athiest. and they might of won b/c of there extrem belife and how they stand behind it
Only as long as Moscow decides to keep the conflict conventional.

hte middle east being mostly muslim would fight back with all there men and followers jsut b/c the commies are athiest. and they might of won b/c of there extrem belife and how they stand behind it

That is true, most would rather die than submit to an athiest. I still think that if the Soviet Union attacked, and few other people object, they might have pulled it off. But what if America was forceathiest when we invaded Iraq. Maybe we would've been pushed out..... :mp5: :headbang:

Europe would be a third world nation and the Soviet Union would have descended into civil war or disintegration due to it being unable to feed its own people.

Europe is a continent, not a nation.

:confused:
Following World War II, Europe was so devastated and destitute that it was unable to rebuild itself let alone feed its own people. In the Post War years it was the US that not only rebuilt Europe but fed the European people. If it wasn't for the Marshall Plan and other American aid, the European nations would have collapsed into the civil war and total dictatorship. Russia would have conquered Europe but then it too would have collapsed into civil war immediately afterward.
The democratic Europe that you see today, would not exist nor would there be a Euro and the average salary of a European would be on par with that of some one in the third world. Europe today would be filled with dictators.

Europe is a continent, not a nation.
Gee, you don't say. :rolleyes:

That is true, most would rather die than submit to an athiest. I still think that if the Soviet Union attacked, and few other people object, they might have pulled it off. But what if America was forceathiest when we invaded Iraq. Maybe we would've been pushed out..... :mp5: :headbang:

i once wrote a thread that asked "do we need another super power" and the idea was if the soviet were still around and they didn't want us in iraq then we wouldn't be there too long b/c there be a respect with each other that would make us leave. this makes me think once more yes we wouldn't be in there for as long as we have and there might be tension but it be a type of competion which in a healthy way is always good for everyone.

Following World War II, Europe was so devastated and destitute that it was unable to rebuild itself let alone feed its own people.

Actually, you may find that it was able to feed itself (Britain was at any rate. Not sure about the continent). However, I was commenting on you saying that Europe was a nation.

In the Post War years it was the US that not only rebuilt Europe but fed the European people. If it wasn't for the Marshall Plan and other American aid, the European nations would have collapsed into the civil war and total dictatorship.

Purlease. Give it a rest. British parliamentary sovereignty was never threatened either during the war or immediatly afterwards.

Not sure again about the rest of Europe. But I doubt Europe would have become a general war zone.

Russia would have conquered Europe but then it too would have collapsed into civil war immediately afterward.

How?

It isn't as if there were no armies in Europe anymore.

An why would there have been a civil war immediatley afterwards?

The democratic Europe that you see today, would not exist nor would there be a Euro and the average salary of a European would be on par with that of some one in the third world. Europe today would be filled with dictators.

I know that. And I think the US did a good thing with the Marshall Plan. However, as said before, it wasn't a charity, but an investment. Which you seem to be trying to paint it as

Gee, you don't say. :rolleyes:
Well, you identified it as such ;)

Can someone reply to that one post I made? It isn't often I make a post that big, and I want to hear some replies.

Yeah!! Mario!!

seriously, I think that if we didn't invest, then the much weakened Europeans would be fighting the much weakened Soviets for a long war that would kill about a million or so people. In the end, I think the Soviets would have Europe. America wouldn't have a bunch of countries to stand in the Soviets way. We'd be at peace, both redeveloping our economy, and the Communist would be rebuilding Europe, but the French, Turks, Italians, and Portugese would be speaking Russian, with the possible exception of the UK. The Soviets would start to get brave, and would attack the Middle East, giving communism a path to Africa, and giving it most of the world's oil. By this point, they may be almost unstopable. They would've pressed on to Afghanistan and India, Then helping the North Vietnamese, and spread Communism to Indochina, and Indonesia. At this same time, another force would be taking the new nations in Africa, which are almost defenseless. Now that they would've had all of Europe, Asia, and Africa, the US would've likely declared war by now. Well, the Soviets would've attacked Austrailia, and then Japan. They would've then attacked Alaska, Canada, then entered the U.S homeland. Fighting for the homeland would've been expensive for both sides, and could've cost..... 15 to 27 million lives, probably 75% American. If the Soviets conquered America, then good luck, South America. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: Now see how investng billions of dollars could make a big diference. Reply to me sometime. Long post. :p
I think they would have come from the south.

Only a few times. Philippines, Guam...that's about it.

peurto Rico,hawaii Samoa, Mexico, USVI, shall i continue?

go ahead, continue.

Only a few times. Philippines, Guam...that's about it.
Eeeh...hello? The conquest of the American west?

I think they would have come from the south.

Really? I thought the north, because look how close that is from USA to USSR. Also, as peaceful as Canada is, they might not have much to defend with. Oh yeah, I overlooked Cuba, I guess they would invade from two sides then.

Yeah!! Mario!!

seriously, I think that if we didn't invest, then the much weakened Europeans would be fighting the much weakened Soviets for a long war that would kill about a million or so people. In the end, I think the Soviets would have Europe. America wouldn't have a bunch of countries to stand in the Soviets way. We'd be at peace, both redeveloping our economy, and the Communist would be rebuilding Europe, but the French, Turks, Italians, and Portugese would be speaking Russian, with the possible exception of the UK. The Soviets would start to get brave, and would attack the Middle East, giving communism a path to Africa, and giving it most of the world's oil. By this point, they may be almost unstopable. They would've pressed on to Afghanistan and India, Then helping the North Vietnamese, and spread Communism to Indochina, and Indonesia. At this same time, another force would be taking the new nations in Africa, which are almost defenseless. Now that they would've had all of Europe, Asia, and Africa, the US would've likely declared war by now. Well, the Soviets would've attacked Austrailia, and then Japan. They would've then attacked Alaska, Canada, then entered the U.S homeland. Fighting for the homeland would've been expensive for both sides, and could've cost..... 15 to 27 million lives, probably 75% American. If the Soviets conquered America, then good luck, South America. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: Now see how investng billions of dollars could make a big diference. Reply to me sometime. Long post. :p

no way by the time the soviets would beable to do all that they would be too weak and to spread out to attack the U.S. Not to mention that would have been before the Soviets got nukes. They would have gone on this rampage and the U.S would drop a nuke somewhere in Kamchatka or Siberia as a warning. If the soviets wouldnt back down(which they probably would have) then the U.S drops a nuke on Moscow Russia surrenders and Capitalists rule the world.

Really? I thought the north, because look how close that is from USA to USSR. Also, as peaceful as Canada is, they might not have much to defend with. Oh yeah, I overlooked Cuba, I guess they would invade from two sides then.
I was actualy thinking of Mexico. Wouldn't be the first time they had a change of government by other means then elections. And there were lot's of socialists in central and south America.

I think it would have been the Nazi's that would have gotten the Atomic bomb, since they were already after Einstien, and doing a good job of doing a pinser on the rest of Europe. Its hard to see just where it would have gone, each nation had its strengths and weakness. Though the thought of Hitler Nazi's with atomic devices is a very scary one, seeing as he had little holding him back from using such knowledge to his advantage.

go ahead, continue.

Oregon. California, Texas arizona new mexico, alaska florida, practicly Cuba.

thats it for now i cant think of anymore

Really? I thought the north, because look how close that is from USA to USSR. Also, as peaceful as Canada is, they might not have much to defend with. Oh yeah, I overlooked Cuba, I guess they would invade from two sides then.


and if the El Che would of succeed in south american (and not killed) then they could of came from south america or invaded panama and mexico and come from there

I think it would have been the Nazi's that would have gotten the Atomic bomb, since they were already after Einstien, and doing a good job of doing a pinser on the rest of Europe. Its hard to see just where it would have gone, each nation had its strengths and weakness. Though the thought of Hitler Nazi's with atomic devices is a very scary one, seeing as he had little holding him back from using such knowledge to his advantage.
Oh I don't know. After the conquest of Crete he was shocked by the huge casualties. And ordered that never again a para operation of this size to take place. And when Himmler found some 15,000 "volunteers" to fly planes and V-1's as kamikaze pilots even Hitler thought that that was taking it to far.

Oh I don't know. After the conquest of Crete he was shocked by the huge casualties. And ordered that never again a para operation of this size to take place. And when Himmler found some 15,000 "volunteers" to fly planes and V-1's as kamikaze pilots even Hitler thought that that was taking it to far.
Since you seem to be very knowledgable on this subject. Is it true the Germans lost more men in the conquest of Crete then in the rest of the invasion of Greece?

Oh I don't know. After the conquest of Crete he was shocked by the huge casualties. And ordered that never again a para operation of this size to take place. And when Himmler found some 15,000 "volunteers" to fly planes and V-1's as kamikaze pilots even Hitler thought that that was taking it to far.

But what if he got ahold of the knowledge and liked the power at his finger tips. To drop a bomb and watch a city be gone, with little of his own troops being used up.

Instead of marching on Moscow, he just blows it up instead, crushes the moral of the russians, and then advances his troops. You never know what power would do to a person, a dictator to say the least.

Acctually after the soviets got east berlin with i think about 1.5 million troops General Patton said

"Lets get those commie bastards."

that was a good idea there never would have been a cold war and Communism would have never really started as much as it did.

Since you seem to be very knowledgable on this subject. Is it true the Germans lost more men in the conquest of Crete then in the rest of the invasion of Greece?
I don't have any numbers for german losses on the mainland. But since the invasion of Greece was well prepaired and the troops well trained and equiped I doubt they were realy high. Crete however. The losses linger somewhere between 6000 and 7000.

weren't germens nationlist socalist? so y weren't they communist too?

weren't germens nationlist socalist? so y weren't they communist too?
Hitler was in some way socialist. I guess. Child support was an invention of his. There were also the Adolf Hitler schools. Open to all who were Aryan enough. Regardless what position their parents had. He wasn't big on classes.

But what if he got ahold of the knowledge and liked the power at his finger tips. To drop a bomb and watch a city be gone, with little of his own troops being used up.

Instead of marching on Moscow, he just blows it up instead, crushes the moral of the russians, and then advances his troops. You never know what power would do to a person, a dictator to say the least.
Perhaps. Or perhaps he would have used them to blow up one or two cities to show what he can do. And make the others sign a peace treaty.

i would live life normally until the Ruskies parachute into america while im in school and shoot my teacher then me and my friends will hide out in the woods and become the wolverines and fight the commies in the name of democracy.

Hell Yes.

no way by the time the soviets would beable to do all that they would be too weak and to spread out to attack the U.S. Not to mention that would have been before the Soviets got nukes. They would have gone on this rampage and the U.S would drop a nuke somewhere in Kamchatka or Siberia as a warning. If the soviets wouldnt back down(which they probably would have) then the U.S drops a nuke on Moscow Russia surrenders and Capitalists rule the world.

I didn't say they would do all this right after WWII. This was actually after they got as many nukes as America. Do you really think that they could've conquered all that so quick? :eek:

weren't germens nationlist socalist? so y weren't they communist too?
Hitler had a deep hatred for communism. He almost thought as bad of them as he did with the Jews.

:sniper: no one ever saw that 80's movie red dawn. thats exactley what i was talking about.

I saw it. Not the best movie, but i liked the concept.

Hitler had a deep hatred for communism.
Everyone had a deep hatred of communism.

Everyone had a deep hatred of communism.

What do you mean, 'everyone?' :confused:

Everyone had a deep hatred of communism.

Most people thankfully still do.

What do you mean, 'everyone?' :confused:
All governments outside of the USSR. And a big share of the public as well.

Of course in the game a plumber organises the resistance and he and his rebels drive out the entire Red Army from the US without ever leaving new york.Mario may wear red, but he's no Pinko!

Hitler had a deep hatred for communism. He almost thought as bad of them as he did with the Jews.


"In Germany they came first for the Communists,*
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.*
Then they came for the Jews,*
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.*
Then they came for the trade unionists,*
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.*
Then they came for the Catholics,*
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,*
and by that time no one was left to speak up.*"

so they did come for the communists first. the nazi party was said to be socalist nationlist socalism being the "first" "step" before communism so i don't get that

What if right after WWII, America hadnt stepped in? What if we didnt go on the largest reconstruction project the world had ever seen? What than? What if we didnt give money to even our darkest of enemys? By that I mean Japan and Germany. Could you imagine how different the world would be? Or the rest of Eastern and Central Europe for that matter. What do you all think?

Let me ask you this. . .

How much money did america actually spend, considering it sat back, hoarding all the gold it could from the allies while they were not fighting? Did america make a profit off the war or not?

Japan and Germany were no longer enemies after WWII.

And undoubtably the US put up a staggering amount of money, but you seem to be trying to paint it as pure altruism rather then a defensive policy against the USSR.
You could argue that of europe, perhaps, but no so much Japan.