NationStates Jolt Archive

I'd say al Quaeda.

Do you know what Josh calls him? Grandma-Man.

Hard to say. Al Qaeda has killed a lot of people recently, but I don't know enough about the other groups to say that Al Qaeda is the worst.

Vietcong, hands down.

PLO

they extorted money from the people they were "trying" to help, used violence to stay in power and supported terrorism.

They are the reason that the "palestinians" live like they do today.

Why don't you have the CIA and the Mossad listed?

I'm going with the Mossad personally... although the CIA are close.

Why don't you have the CIA and the Mossad listed?

I'm going with the Mossad personally... although the CIA are close.

The CIA are not terrorists. They have supported terrorists, but I highly doubt they themselves have ever committed any terrorist acts. And I doubt they committed anywhere near as horrific the atrocities as the ones by the likes of the VC, Sandinistas, or Khmer Rouge.

Define evil. Al-Qaeda has reasons behind their actions, extreme and misguided though they might be.

The KKK certainly is up there given modern standards of humanity and morality.

Most of the rest of the list can be seen as freedom fighters, if you're on the other side of the fence. The Vietcong in particular cannot be classed as a terrorist organisation.

My vote, though, goes to the Khmer Rouge. I've been to Cambodia and seen the effects of their regime, and there are no redeeming features, as far as I can tell.

CIA? Mossad? Using Tactics equal to terrorism that protects their existing countries, do not count....

In modern times the Khmer Rouge, in all of history the great horde of genghis khan.

Vietcong in particular cannot be classed as a terrorist organisation.

Yes, they can. They castrated men and sewed their genitals in their mouths, shoved bamboo lances through childrens' heads, eviscerated people, cut out pregnant women's wombs, decapitated people, impaled people through wooden poles, severed childrens' eardrums by jamming chopsticks into their ears, pounded nails into old men's heads, beat little girls beyond recognition with rifle butts, gang-raped women in town squares, cut out tongues, beat people to death, buried people alive, burned them alive, etc. They are the greatest evil in the history of the planet.

The CIA are not terrorists. They have supported terrorists, but I highly doubt they themselves have ever committed any terrorist acts. And I doubt they committed anywhere near as horrific the atrocities as the ones by the likes of the VC, Sandinistas, or Khmer Rouge.

You do realise that the US has actively supported at least 7 of the 9 listed choices, with another one being a US organisation?

You do realise that the US has actively supported at least 7 of the 9 listed choices, with another one being a US organisation?

UNITA, Sandinistas, and Contras. That makes three. They supported the men who founded al Quaed in the 80's, but not the organization itself.

The CIA are not terrorists. They have supported terrorists, but I highly doubt they themselves have ever committed any terrorist acts. And I doubt they committed anywhere near as horrific the atrocities as the ones by the likes of the VC, Sandinistas, or Khmer Rouge.

The Mossad have went into other countries without their permission to kill people and kidnap them, well documented fact.

As for the CIA, need I mention Central America?

Yes, both are in fact terror groups pretending to be otherwise.

The Mossad have went into other countries without their permission to kill people and kidnap them, well documented fact.

As for the CIA, need I mention Central America?

Yes, both are in fact terror groups pretending to be otherwise.

Central America? Why didn't you vote for the Sandinistas, then?

i vote other;

We don't really know the worst terrorist group. The most powerful evil gains greatness through trickery, not force.

Khmer Rouge is by far and away the worst in my opinion. They are the only one's on the list who have killed in excess of one million people.

Another worthy mention is the Thuggee cult.

The Illuminati

Khmer Rouge is by far and away the worst in my opinion. They are the only one's on the list who have killed in excess of one million people.

The Vietcong did, too.

UNITA, Sandinistas, and Contras. That makes three. They supported the men who founded al Quaed in the 80's, but not the organization itself.

You forgot MPLA, who they supported starting in 1994.

You forgot the Khmer Rouge, because they were the "good" communists.

You forgot the IRA, although I'm not certain that the massive us support was actually a government policy.

And you're trying to draw a fine distinction about al-Qaeda that doesn't really exist. The people and the ideals behind them are the same.

Central America? Why didn't you vote for the Sandinistas, then?

Because many of the groups you have in the list, would of never been even possible without the help of the CIA.

The only reason I voted for the Mossad over the CIA is because their acts of terror are better documented. I'm sure though at the end of the day the Mossad doesn't hold a candle to what the CIA has done.

You forgot MPLA, who they supported starting in 1994.

You forgot the Khmer Rouge, because they were the "good" communists.

You forgot the IRA, although I'm not certain that the massive us support was actually a government policy.

And you're trying to draw a fine distinction about al-Qaeda that doesn't really exist. The people and the ideals behind them are the same.

The U.S. never supported the Khmer Rouge, they supported Lon Nol (for a time, anyway). Unless you mean the time when the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia, that I could believe.

im going to vote IRA, purely because i live in Northern Ireland. although the loyalist ones are just as bad most of the time

Because many of the groups you have in the list, would of never been even possible without the help of the CIA.

The only reason I voted for the Mossad over the CIA is because their acts of terror are better documented. I'm sure though at the end of the day the Mossad doesn't hold a candle to what the CIA has done.

How many acts of terror has the CIA directly committed, though?

The Mossad have went into other countries without their permission to kill people and kidnap them, well documented fact.

As for the CIA, need I mention Central America?

Yes, both are in fact terror groups pretending to be otherwise.


Ohhhhhhhhh, you mean like Nazis like Eichman? and Hizbollah in Lebanon? Or that guy that attempted to give the "supergun" to Iraq?

Yes they are mean terrorists, killing innocent people. You've got me there Steph. Why can't i think more like you.

The Mossad have went into other countries without their permission to kill people and kidnap them, well documented fact.

So did the Vietcong.

I'd say the CIA is most "evil" because they hide under the guise of being the "good guys". Most of us have no clue what these guys are up to in our own country, much less the rest of the world.

The Red Western Bobba-Lobba-Rabba-Ding-Dong-Purse Snatchers. They gimme the shivers... >.<

How many acts of terror has the CIA directly committed, though?

Do you really believe the CIA has never been directly involved? That they only supported it? Even if that were true, doesn't that make them equally as guilty any way?

Now as for the Mossad, they have been directly connected to acts of terror.

However, just because you hide it well, that doesn't make a difference as far as I'm concerned.

Do you really believe the CIA has never been directly involved? That they only supported it? Even if that were true, doesn't that make them equally as guilty any way?

Now as for the Mossad, they have been directly connected to acts of terror.

However, just because you hide it well, that doesn't make a difference as far as I'm concerned.


Which terror? When have they attacked other countries for no reason?

Do you really believe the CIA has never been directly involved? That they only supported it? Even if that were true, doesn't that make them equally as guilty any way?

Do you have any proof?

I'd say the CIA is most "evil" because they hide under the guise of being the "good guys". Most of us have no clue what these guys are up to in our own country, much less the rest of the world.
Well, if I get the internship at the CIA I'll let you know.

I have some views on terrorism that are really drastically different from a good chunk of the country. Callous as it may sound, the US brings a lot of terrorism on itself AND DESERVES IT in my opinion. I'd say the CIA or the Bush Regime is the most evil terrorist group in history.

I have some views on terrorism that are really drastically different from a good chunk of the country. Callous as it may sound, the US brings a lot of terrorism on itself AND DESERVES IT in my opinion. I'd say the CIA or the Bush Regime is the most evil terrorist group in history.


*blinks*... i'd reply...but i don't want get deated....

COBRA. Definitely COBRA.

With SPECTRE, HYDRA, and whatever organization Stephistan belongs to rounding out the top 5.

Lol, considering the huge number of lefties on this forum, I'm surprised UNITA and the contras haven't gotten any votes yet. :p

Which terror? When have they attacked other countries for no reason?

No matter the terror group, I'm sure they all had a "reason" that still doesn't justify their actions. Just because one terror group happens to act in a way you agree with, another terror group probably has it's supporters too. Most do.

views ... that are really drastically different from a good chunk of the country.

The clinical term for this would be "insane."

nazis or police (or CIA), im not sure which. you can argue all you want , but denying the fact that thousands upon thousands of INNOCENT people are killed by police (CIA included), will just prove your own ignorance. actually nazis are worse than the police. but stalin was worse than the nazis, and yet no one really seems to mind him that much.....this society is stupid. :headbang:

Why don't you have the CIA and the Mossad listed?

I'm going with the Mossad personally... although the CIA are close.
Yup. State sanctioned terrorists. Same as the KGB or Gestapo.

and whatever organization Stephistan belongs to rounding out the top 5.

My 6 year old son would probably agree with you every night around bedtime..lol

No matter the terror group, I'm sure they all had a "reason" that still doesn't justify their actions. Just because one terror group happens to act in a way you agree with, another terror group probably has it's supporters too. Most do.


You know...you just might be a terrorist, if your enemies are anyone that has never directly affected you. You might be a hypocrite terrorist, if you help make the problems worse for the people your trying to help.

There may be people out there, doing it for "just" causes.. but if it affects random people, and is in a country far away, that has nothing at all to do with you. They just might be ... a terrorist.

The KKK killed thousands through out the 20th century. Now that's just in out right public lynchings, the total death toll may never be known.

I notice that the Militia Movemennt wasn't on the list even though that group was responsible for the single worst terrorist act up to 9-11.

I voted for the IRA. While I believe that their cause was (and is) a worthwhile one, the means with which they went about The Cause horrified me throughout my teens. As someone intent on joining the RAF I could never quite get the thought out of my mind that I might one day end up splattered on the walls of my hometown just for wearing the uniform.

I also think that Shalhevet Gilad and Hamas should be on that list.

The U.S. never supported the Khmer Rouge, they supported Lon Nol (for a time, anyway). Unless you mean the time when the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia, that I could believe.

Under Carter, in the late 70's, the USA decided to start supporting the Khmer Rouge because they were fighting the Vietcong. They continued the support for some years, and there is evidence that this policy continued well into the Reagan administration, after the Vietcong kicked out the Khmer Rouge.

I've been trying to find evidence of systematic and widespread atrocities by the Vietcong, let alone anything that can be termed as terrorist acts, but I haven't seen anything that suggests they were any worse than the other side. I did find an estimated total figure of between 1 and 2 million Vietnamese deaths, but it was a 20+ year war with large numbers of troops on both sides.

Why don't you have the CIA and the Mossad listed?

I'm going with the Mossad personally... although the CIA are close.
I'm sorry Stephistan.

But really, shut up. It's not a flame. It's advice.

COBRA. Definitely COBRA.
Those are lies. Cobra is just fighting to protect itself from the GI Joe brutalities. Cobra commander said so himself.

wow... it really pisses me off hwo when 9/11 happened everyone was like "OHHHHH NOOOOO!!!! americans died!!!!" now that over 140,000 people have died in the tsunamis, it doesnt seem to phase many people....and you knwo why???? their mind set is "HOLY CRAP 3000 AMERICANS DIED!!!" and although 9/11 was a tragedy and was surprising, when the tsunami happens they think "o, 140,000 other people died, thats ok though considering they have no affiliation with the USA." this kind of mentality if why we are hated around the globe. plus guess what??? out of the $100,000,000 george W. has, he gave the relief aid $10,000. he couldnt even bother to pay $100,000???? once again to end this post: this society is really f**cking stupid :headbang:

I'm sorry Stephistan.

But really, shut up. It's not a flame. It's advice.

Really. Don't suggest the Jews might have done something wrong. What were you thinking?

wow... it really pisses me off hwo when 9/11 happened everyone was like "OHHHHH NOOOOO!!!! americans died!!!!" now that over 140,000 people have died in the tsunamis, it doesnt seem to phase many people....and you knwo why???? their mind set is "HOLY CRAP 3000 AMERICANS DIED!!!" and although 9/11 was a tragedy and was surprising, when the tsunami happens they think "o, 140,000 other people died, thats ok though considering they have no affiliation with the USA." this kind of mentality if why we are hated around the globe. plus guess what??? out of the $100,000,000 george W. has, he gave the relief aid $10,000. he couldnt even bother to pay $100,000???? once again to end this post: this society is really f**cking stupid :headbang:
I read somewhere poor George's fortune is around 29 million. Then again Michael Schumacher donated $10 million.

still out of $29,000,000, you cant give $100,000?

I'm sorry Stephistan.

But really, shut up. It's not a flame. It's advice.

Uhhh, stuck a nerve did I? LOL :D

Roach-buster asked:

"How many acts of terror has the CIA directly committed, though?"

Oh boy, the list of CIA acts of terror, that list my friend, goes on and on and on. I will mention just one. Operation "Phoenix". This beauty was unleashed on civilians suspected of supporting the viet-cong. It's aim was to undermine the so-called infrastructure of the vietcong. CIA operatives and attached personel killed civilians on suspicion, the death-toll reached 5 digits by the end. This operation has been disclosed by former CIA top-level people. They even had a signature on the operation, the victims were all decorated with a card, the ace of spades, to send a message to others on the importance of not supporting VC in any way.

An act of terror? I should say so, even though the terms they (CIA) themselves applied to this operation are "slightly" different.

On the poll I voted the KKK. They have no better reason for their acts than that they don't like people with dark skin. Even the Al Quaida have "better" reasons for pursuing their goals by terror.

still out of $29,000,000, you cant give $100,000?
You don't want to see the poor guy go bankcrupt do you? :D

Uhhh, stuck a nerve did I? LOL :D
Things in life have pissed me off so badly I'm seeing spots.

Uhhh, stuck a nerve did I? LOL :D
No, more along the lines of saying the US government is terrorist is a silly propaganda thing.

Things in life have pissed me off so badly I'm seeing spots.

Since you offered me some advice, I'll offer you some.. *Deep Breaths* ;)

No, more along the lines of saying the US government is terrorist is a silly propaganda thing.

Oh, are you in the minority who thinks they aren't?

Roach-buster asked:

"How many acts of terror has the CIA directly committed, though?"

Oh boy, the list of CIA acts of terror, that list my friend, goes on and on and on. I will mention just one. Operation "Phoenix". This beauty was unleashed on civilians suspected of supporting the viet-cong. It's aim was to undermine the so-called infrastructure of the vietcong. CIA operatives and attached personel killed civilians on suspicion, the death-toll reached 5 digits by the end. This operation has been disclosed by former CIA top-level people. They even had a signature on the operation, the victims were all decorated with a card, the ace of spades, to send a message to others on the importance of not supporting VC in any way.

An act of terror? I should say so, even though the terms they (CIA) themselves applied to this operation are "slightly" different.

On the poll I voted the KKK. They have no better reason for their acts than that they don't like people with dark skin. Even the Al Quaida have "better" reasons for pursuing their goals by terror.

Really? I know the CIA was heavily involved in Phoenix, but I didn't know they did the actual killing. I thought only ARVN did.

Wheres the Shining Path terrorist organization from Peru and Perus neighbors?

Klu Klux Klan are not a terrorist group, they dont, as a group, do terrorist attacks.
They are merely a group of people with shared beliefs, wrong scewed and twisted beliefs, yes. but still they are not a terrorist group

Oh, are you in the minority who thinks they aren't?
On NS? If that, then I guess I am.

Klu Klux Klan are not a terrorist group, they dont, as a group, do terrorist attacks.
They are merely a group of people with shared beliefs, wrong scewed and twisted beliefs, yes. but still they are not a terrorist group

They're terrorists in my book. So are the Black Panthers and AIM.

Damn in regards to Cuba alone, over 500 plots to kill Fidel Castro though not all carried out, and all failed (haha! Viva Fidel!) plus that messy Bay of Pigs invasion where the CIA trained and sponsered exiles again failed miserably in overthrowing the Revolution.

Cobra are terrorists!
"But I'm going to create an underground organization that will bypass government restrictions, and garner power through terrorism and extortion! And I won't stop with Springfield! I won't stop until my organization coils around the whole world like a giant Cobra!"
-- Cobra Commander to Billy, on the founding of Cobra

However, Al-Queda have nothing on them!

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2463

Ohhhhhhhhh, you mean like Nazis like Eichman? and Hizbollah in Lebanon? Or that guy that attempted to give the "supergun" to Iraq?

Yes they are mean terrorists, killing innocent people. You've got me there Steph. Why can't i think more like you.

MuhOre...

You are certainly biased. I don't believe the Mossad are "terrorists", but their actions sure do inflict terror. Yes, they do end up catching the bad guys, but not without killing at least 10 civilians/innocents. At least when the CIA gets someone, they get the RIGHT someone.

Also, what did you mean by putting quotations around Palestinians? Palestine is (or, more acurately WAS) a state, but Mr. UN decided to plot your country right on top of it. And then you invaded and conquered it. Not to mention Palestine is EXTREMELY close to gaining independence(im betting by the year 2020 there will be an independant Palestinian state).

Anyhoo, I'm gonna have to go with Al-Qaeda(with the Vietcong in close second). Why? Because Al-Qaeda has been the mastermind of NUMEROUS attacks on civilians: Ranging from carbombs in the middle-east, blowing up clubs in Jakarta, to slamming planes into U.S. Civilian and government buildings.

Damn in regards to Cuba alone, over 500 plots to kill Fidel Castro though not all carried out, and all failed (haha! Viva Fidel!) plus that messy Bay of Pigs invasion where the CIA trained and sponsered exiles again failed miserably in overthrowing the Revolution.

Uh... if you didn't know, everyone hates Fidel. Except for a few(key word: few) crazed cubans. OF course, none of them say it out LOUD(they don't feel like being tortured), but I mean COME ON. ONE man ruined their economy, isolated them from the rest of the world, and deprived them of near all civil and political rights. Only an idiot would be happy in that environment.

Uh... if you didn't know, everyone hates Fidel. Except for a few(key word: few) crazed cubans. OF course, none of them say it out LOUD(they don't feel like being tortured), but I mean COME ON. ONE man ruined their economy, isolated them from the rest of the world, and deprived them of near all civil and political rights. Only an idiot would be happy in that environment.

*Nods in agreement*

The Sandinistas were not and are not a terrorist group. They held the first elections in Nicaragua and when they lost stepped down. What terrorist group subjects itself to the will of the people and then abides by that decision even when it doesn't go their way?

The Sandinistas were not and are not a terrorist group. They held the first elections in Nicaragua and when they lost stepped down. What terrorist group subjects itself to the will of the people and then abides by that decision even when it doesn't go their way?

Yes, they were. They committed among the most barbarous atrocities in history, mostly against civilians.

The Sandinistas were not and are not a terrorist group. They held the first elections in Nicaragua and when they lost stepped down. What terrorist group subjects itself to the will of the people and then abides by that decision even when it doesn't go their way?

There were elections before the Sandinistas. Anastasio Somoza was democratically elected in 1974. It was internationally supervised by the Organization of American States. Somoza invited the media to attend, so they could see for themselves that it was free and fair, but they declined.

On NS? If that, then I guess I am.

Have you looked around lately? I'm not talking about the people on NS. I'm talking about real life. The US makes up about what? About 4 1/2 % of the worlds' population, add in perhaps another (I'll be generous) 10% of the world who agrees with the way they act like a bunch of cowboys on the world stage. That's about 14 1/2 % of the world, keeping in mind I was quite generous with my % given for who actually morally and ethically support the US's actions.. Yup, that would put you in the minority my dear.

Yes, they were. They committed among the most barbarous atrocities in history, mostly against civilians.

The Sandinistas were and are a political party. Whatever you may think of their policies in governing Nicaragua (which you have highly exaggerated) they were NOT terrorists. If you include the Sandinistas then you have to include the governments of untold nations who oppressed or killed their people, included a few American administrations during the genocide of the Native Americans.

The Sandinistas were and are a political party. Whatever you may think of their policies in governing Nicaragua (which you have highly exaggerated) they were NOT terrorists. If you include the Sandinistas then you have to include the governments of untold nations who oppressed or killed their people, included a few American administrations during the genocide of the Native Americans.

I'll provide some examples of the atrocities they committed against the people before and after seizing power.

To all the people voting for the KKK, are you nuts? Rascist scum bags who murdered people? Yeah. Most evil terrorist group in history? What?

Where are the NAZIs? Where are the Imperial Japanese? Where is the American Frontier Military? Where is the USSR? I think people are letting the nearness of history of Al Qeada influence who the evilest of the evil is.

I think that Jesus was a terrorist, evil care spreadin hippie :p
But seroiusly i'd say that the VC were sick. The CIA i distrust cuz they are creeeepy, reaaaaaal creeeeeeepy!

To all the people voting for the KKK, are you nuts? Rascist scum bags who murdered people? Yeah. Most evil terrorist group in history? What?

Where are the NAZIs? Where are the Imperial Japanese? Where is the American Frontier Military? Where is the USSR? I think people are letting the nearness of history of Al Qeada influence who the evilest of the evil is.

I suspect your moral outrage comes, in large part, from differing ideas about what a terrorist organisation is. To me, none of your examples are terrorists.

The term hasn't been defined here. Let me suggest the following:

As defined by the FBI, "the unlawful use of force against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population or any segment thereof, in the furtherance of political or social objectives". This definition includes three elements: (1) Terrorist activities are illegal and involve the use of force. (2) The actions are intended to intimidate or coerce. (3) The actions are committed in support of political or social objectives. (FEMA-SS)
http://www.mema.domestic-preparedness.net/glossary.html

(This term was the first on the list in the google search of terms on the web, found by entering definition: Terrorism in google. Feel free to discuss.)

Here's another that fits how I would define it:

War crimes committed during peacetime.

War crimes can be further defined as the intentional planning, targeting, and conducting of attacks upon civilian or military personnel (while not in the performance of their duties or during peacetime) with the intent to kill, maim, wound, injure or create a state of fear, panic and terror in the general population.

http://www.therationalradical.com/dsep/other/terrorism-definition.htm


What these imply, among other things, is that a government is unlikely to engage in terrorist acts in their own country, simply because they write the laws. They also suggest that an army during wartime is unlikely to be classified as terrorist, because that's not their primary aim (several exceptions have been brought up here, and there seems to be a fine line somewhere).

Fox News hands down.
The Bush Administration in a close second. Only beat because Fox has been around longer.

Spectre

PIRA were the best.

Free Europe, although...they don't exist anymore.

For terroist groups that still exist I would say the IRA but thats because I'm English, and they are the ones everyone in England always talks about. :)

The Khmer Rouge carried out the grizzliest genocide since the Holocaust, and they had a dream of some super twisted communist state. They were indeed evil. However, al-Qaeda is number two, for while they don't have the means to kill lots of people, they have the will.

Al-Quida is the most evil there. Crashing 2 planes into crowds of civilians is plain sickening.

How about the "Black Hand"? Would they qualify as a terrorist group? You know, Gavrilo Princip.. They did, after all, set of WW1 way sooner than it would have anyways.

GIA. They have been known to gather the residents of an entire village together, rape whoever they want and then slice everyone up. They like using knives, swords, even chainsaws to kill their victims.

Al-Quida is the most evil there. Crashing 2 planes into crowds of civilians is plain sickening.

Far more innocents have been killed in other countries by terror. Most people don't see the horrific manner of terror till it hits in their own backyard, however to suggest that 9/11 was the worse terror ever to happen in this century is simply not true.. Some Americans may feel this because it happened to them. However it is by far not the worst terror attack to happen in 20th century history.. by no means. You can get all technical and say "Ohhh it's the 21st century" ..lol but please spare me the rhetoric.

Al-Quida is the most evil there. Crashing 2 planes into crowds of civilians is plain sickening.
How about blowing up a hotel full of guests? How about blowing up a busload of musicians? How about an office full of people just doing there job that's not attacked by non-Americans? How about disguising a bomb as a child's bike and then reporting it to the police so the copper that picks it up is blown to smithereens? How about shooting small children through the head with an assault rifle because they're not your ethnic background? How about burying the elderly alive?

How are these things less sickening than what happened on 9-11?

I'm with Salvondia and going with the Nazis. Given, they were in power at the time, but this doesn't necessarily disqualify them according to (some) of the definitions given above. I had thought that the primary definition of terrorism was simply the use of terror to achieve one's ends, usually, as the FBI notes, through force. This terror was directed at a segment of the civilian populace. And it had definite political and social ends.

The only issue is the phrase "illegal." I suppose that the party in power determines what's legal in their country, but I hope most people will recognize that this is sort of a technical, bs argument and that genocide trumps national policy.

So there you go. Nazis. Maybe in a heat with Stalin's crew.

Yes, they can. They castrated men and sewed their genitals in their mouths, shoved bamboo lances through childrens' heads, eviscerated people, cut out pregnant women's wombs, decapitated people, impaled people through wooden poles, severed childrens' eardrums by jamming chopsticks into their ears, pounded nails into old men's heads, beat little girls beyond recognition with rifle butts, gang-raped women in town squares, cut out tongues, beat people to death, buried people alive, burned them alive, etc. They are the greatest evil in the history of the planet.


All accusations that can be leveled at the ARVN as well. The US did not exactly fight a 'clean' war ether.

I voted for the IRA, but I am English so thats a given. The original meaning of 'terrorism' did refer specificly to the actions of a state, rahter than a rouge organisation. So maybe we should have countries up there, but that would not end well.

Uh... if you didn't know, everyone hates Fidel. Except for a few(key word: few) crazed cubans. OF course, none of them say it out LOUD(they don't feel like being tortured), but I mean COME ON. ONE man ruined their economy, isolated them from the rest of the world, and deprived them of near all civil and political rights. Only an idiot would be happy in that environment.
Oliver Stone doesn't hate him.

Oliver Stone doesn't hate him.

Hey, Canada loves Cuba, one of the hottest spots for Canadians to vacation, not to mention we own a lot of Cuba. The sanctions on Cuba are redundant at best, simply pettiness at worse. I think it's time for the United States to get over "The Bay of Pigs"

Hey, Canada loves Cuba, one of the hottest spots for Canadians to vacation, not to mention we own a lot of Cuba. The sanctions on Cuba are redundant at best, simply pettiness at worse. I think it's time for the United States to get over "The Bay of Pigs"



I've heard good and bad things from people who've gone there but I certanly would say I love the country, afterall it did produce Che and Castro.

I've heard good and bad things from people who've gone there but I certanly would say I love the country, afterall it did produce Che and Castro.

Plus they lock up journalists, which is always a good thing.

What was that one communist terrorist group in the 60's, 70's, w/e??

What was that one communist terrorist group in the 60's, 70's, w/e??

Never Mind..... I'll say Al queada, cause I've only been around long enough for them.

still out of $29,000,000, you cant give $100,000?

How do you know that was all he gave? Couldn't he give more without letting the press know about it? Beside he has other charities he supports. Should he just stop giving to those because of the tsunami?

Bush still donated more to charity then Kerry ever did.

I suppose the 'IRA' that is listed is the provisional IRA, and not the real IRA?

Oliver Stone doesn't hate him.

Because Stone is an a**hole pinko f***stick.

GIA. They have been known to gather the residents of an entire village together, rape whoever they want and then slice everyone up. They like using knives, swords, even chainsaws to kill their victims.

That's nothing. The Sandinistas and Vietcong make them look like angels.

I've heard good and bad things from people who've gone there but I certanly would say I love the country, afterall it did produce Che and Castro.

Ummm...Che Guevara was from Argentina.

Ns Admin..

the IRA are pussydogs now, i was born in the generation during constant IRA attacks in england, so i can remember a bit of the bombings

Yes, they can. They castrated men and sewed their genitals in their mouths, shoved bamboo lances through childrens' heads, eviscerated people, cut out pregnant women's wombs, decapitated people, impaled people through wooden poles, severed childrens' eardrums by jamming chopsticks into their ears, pounded nails into old men's heads, beat little girls beyond recognition with rifle butts, gang-raped women in town squares, cut out tongues, beat people to death, buried people alive, burned them alive, etc. They are the greatest evil in the history of the planet.

I couldn't have said it better. Vietcong bastards should be tortured and executed.

I couldn't have said it better. Vietcong bastards should be tortured and executed.

Agreed!

I would say the Ku Klux Klan was the most evil as they brutally murdered many innocent people because of their skin colour. Other evil terrorist groups include the Contras (supported by the USA), UNITA (supported by the USA), the Khmer Rouge (supported by the USA) and Al Qaeda (originally supported by the USA). The Sandinistas, Vietcong, MPLA and IRA were all fighting for democracy and social justice against the capitalist and fascist oppressors and it is absolutely absurd to call them terrorists.

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

Every single one of these organisations is a group representing the freedom, or 'so-called' freedom of a group//people - as much as each is a 'terrorist organisation'.

I would add the CIA and KGB to this list. Well the list goes on... Although one interesting addition would be the SA and SS under Hitler. The acts comitted by these groups in the early days of the Nazi campaign fulfil the definition of "unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." I bet the KGB has fulfilled plenty of this in its time. The acts committed by the Vietcong were horrendous...although some might say they were defending a good cause. The IRA and Al'Quaida are harder to defend.

I would not consider the genocide in Poland carried out by the Nazis to be terrorism: but it was an act of evil on a scale beyond anything any of these organisations have committed.

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

Every single one of these organisations is a group representing the freedom, or 'so-called' freedom of a group//people - as much as each is a 'terrorist organisation'.

I would add the CIA and KGB to this list. Well the list goes on... Although one interesting addition would be the SA and SS under Hitler. The acts comitted by these groups in the early days of the Nazi campaign fulfil the definition of "unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." I bet the KGB has fulfilled plenty of this in its time. The acts committed by the Vietcong were horrendous...although some might say they were defending a good cause. The IRA and Al'Quaida are harder to defend.

I would not consider the genocide in Poland carried out by the Nazis to be terrorism: but it was an act of evil on a scale beyond anything any of these organisations have committed.

You make some excellent points, but in my opinion, a terrorist is a terrorist, regardless of the motives.

I would say the Ku Klux Klan was the most evil as they brutally murdered many innocent people because of their skin colour. Other evil terrorist groups include the Contras (supported by the USA), UNITA (supported by the USA), the Khmer Rouge (supported by the USA) and Al Qaeda (originally supported by the USA). The Sandinistas, Vietcong, MPLA and IRA were all fighting for democracy and social justice against the capitalist and fascist oppressors and it is absolutely absurd to call them terrorists.

What a load of bullshit. The Vietcong tortured, mutilated, and slaughtered hundreds of thousands or even millions of people. The Sandinistas were almost as bad. It is absurd to think that they are not terrorists.

What a load of bullshit. The Vietcong tortured, mutilated, and slaughtered hundreds of thousands or even millions of people. The Sandinistas were almost as bad. It is absurd to think that they are not terrorists.

I would hardly call the acts they committed 'fighting for social justice.'

I would say the FARC is the most evil terrorist group. Part guerilla movement, part terrorist group, and part mafia, the FARC are responsible not only for kidnappings, torture, and murder in their own country, but for a large portion of the cocaine introduce into the black market. Their evil, therefore extends beyond their own country to encompass the whole world.

I dont believe that actual governments should be considered terrorist organizations, therefore I cant vote for the obvious candidates (Nazi Germany, Khmer Rogue, or the Huns).

Why is the IRA on this list of EVIL groups?

AND NO I DO NOT SUPPORT THE IRA FULLY BUT I UNDERSTAND AND THEIR FIGHT.
Its just that they are not Evil.
They have signd a peace act and are doing the wright thing.
The splinter groups are hostile however.
The I.R.A. has allways been a liberation force and are no more evil then the English "Brittish" Army with the Bloody Sunday thing.
They were fighting in the same manner once.

i do support the IRA in some cases but the splinter groups go about it in the wrong way.

Vietcong, hands down.
The only reason that the Vietcong caused such a problem in Vietnam was because the Americans just did not know when to quit and refused to recognise that the communists were better than them. And of course the
Americans sold all the Vietcong the best guns before the war.
The Vietcong were not actually called 'The Vietcong', they were called the
'Vietming'. The FBI made up the other name as it sounded more evil.

Kmer Rouge, even Al Qaeda hasn't killed 2-3 million people. The KKK is evil, but they are made up of a bunch of southern morons so they don't have the brains to be evil masterminds. The VC were evil in many of their attacks on villagers who helped us, but not as bad as Pol Pot and the Kmer Rouge. The IRA isn't too evil, but the PIRA is along with other splinters.

i do support the IRA in some cases but the splinter groups go about it in the wrong way.

I agree.

What a load of bullshit. The Vietcong tortured, mutilated, and slaughtered hundreds of thousands or even millions of people. The Sandinistas were almost as bad. It is absurd to think that they are not terrorists.

Like in all wars there were abuses committed by both sides but the actions of the Vietcong were almost insignificant compared the terror and slaughter committed by the USA and the terrorist government of South Vietnam. It is estimated that the USA was responsible for the genocide of 4 million people in Vietnam who were murdered in the most brutal of ways including the torture and massacre of innocent civilians, extensive bombing of civilian targets and covering the country with deadly chemicals which continue to cause birth defects today.

The Sandinistas were one of the most democratic liberation movements and committed very few human rights abuses. Their revolution overthrew one of the most brutal and repressive latin american regimes, established democracy and abolished the death penalty. Here is the Sandinistas political platform which was established after the revolution (from Wikipedia):

* Nationalization of property owned by the Somozas and their collaborators.
* Land reform.
* Improved rural and urban working conditions.
* Free unionization for all workers, both urban and rural.
* Control of living costs, especially basic necessities (food, clothing, and medicine).
* Improved public services, housing conditions, education (mandatory, free through high school; schools available to the whole national population; national literacy campaign).
* Nationalization and protection of natural resources, including mines.
* Abolition of torture, political assassination and the death penalty.
* Protection of democratic liberties (freedom of expression, political organization and association, and religion; return of political exiles).
* Equality for women.
* Free, nonaligned foreign policy and relations.
* Formation of a new, democratic, and popular army under the leadership of the FSLN.
* Pesticide controls
* Rain forest conservation
* Wildlife conservation
* Alternative energy programs

As you can see this is a very democratic program which brought many benefits to Nicaragua. The Sandinistas had the support of the majority of the Nicaraguan people including businesspeople and the church and they established the first ever democratic political system in Nicaragua. From Wikipedia:

In contrast to the Cuban revolution, the Sandinista government practiced political pluralism throughout its time in power. A broad range of new political parties emerged to take advantage of freedoms that had not existed under the US-backed dictator, Somoza. Following promulgation of a new constitution, Nicaragua held national elections in 1984. Daniel Ortega and Sergio Ramirez were elected president and vice-president, and the FSLN won 61 out of 90 seats in the new National Assembly, having taken 63 per cent of the vote on a turnout of 74%. Although several opposition parties boycotted the election, it was endorsed as free and fair by numerous international observers. The USA did not send observers; Ronald Reagan denounced the elections as "a sham".

The Contras were an evil terrorist group who committed appallling human rights violations and were created and funded by the CIA even after Congress prohibited further aid. From Wikipedia:

"The Sandinistas condemned the contras as terrorists, and their attacks on civilians were also condemned by numerous human rights organizations. In 1982, under pressure from Congress, the US State Department declared Contra activities terrorism. The Congressional intelligence committee demonstrated that they had "raped, tortured and killed unarmed civilians, including children..." and that "...groups of civilians, including women and children, were burned, dismembered, blinded and beheaded." After the U.S. Congress prohibited federal funding of the Contras in 1983, the Reagan administration continued to back the Contras by covertly selling arms to Iran and channelling the proceeds to the Contras (The Iran-Contra affair.) When this scheme was revealed, Reagan admitted that he knew about the Iranian "arms for hostages" dealings but professed ignorance about the proceeds funding the Contras; Oliver North took much of the blame for that aspect."

The most evil organisation in the world is the American government and all it's
puppets in Britain. They are responsible for the importation of violent and unethical products and currupting the minds of innocent people with extremes of greed, lazyness, thirst for blood and gore, and stupidity.
Stop this silent and anarchictic invasion of a once proud nation!!!!

The most evil organisation in the world is the American government and all it's
puppets in Britain. They are responsible for the importation of violent and unethical products and currupting the minds of innocent people with extremes of greed, lazyness, thirst for blood and gore, and stupidity.
Stop this silent and anarchictic invasion of a once proud nation!!!!
*applauds* Well put.

*applauds* Well put.

well put, but in the wrong thread. This one is about terrorist organizations, not governments. If the question was about the most evil governments, I would have a difficult time choosing between Nazi Germany and the USA. But that wasnt the question posed.

well put, but in the wrong thread. This one is about terrorist organizations, not governments. If the question was about the most evil governments, I would have a difficult time choosing between Nazi Germany and the USA. But that wasnt the question posed.
Your right. But I still think it´s well put.

My vote is for the KKK

Like in all wars there were abuses committed by both sides but the actions of the Vietcong were almost insignificant compared the terror and slaughter committed by the USA and the terrorist government of South Vietnam. It is estimated that the USA was responsible for the genocide of 4 million people in Vietnam who were murdered in the most brutal of ways including the torture and massacre of innocent civilians, extensive bombing of civilian targets and covering the country with deadly chemicals which continue to cause birth defects today.

What a load of bullshit. The U.S. did indeed commit atrocities (who hasn't?), but the number of atrocities committed by the Vietcong literally numbered in the hundreds of thosuands or millions, whereas the ones committed by the U.S. and ARVN were far fewer. U.S. soldiers who committed atrocities were court-martialed. VC and NVA who committed atrocities were promoted, given medals, etc. If anyone committed 'genocide,' it was the Vietcong. Read all about it in Death by Government by R.J. Rummel, and The Viet Cong Strategy of Terror by Douglas Pike. The North Vietnamese killed at least 2,000,000 people. And the methods with which they killed them were so brutal that the Nazis' brutality pales in comparison.

The Sandinistas were one of the most democratic liberation movements and committed very few human rights abuses. Their revolution overthrew one of the most brutal and repressive latin american regimes, established democracy and abolished the death penalty. Here is the Sandinistas political platform which was established after the revolution (from Wikipedia):

Jesus Christ, that couldn't be more biased if Ortega himself wrote it. And that's bullshit about 'establishing democracy,' 'abolishing the death penalty,' and Somoza being a dictator, blah blah blah. Somoza was democratically elected in 1974 in an election supervised by the Organization of American States. Under Somoza, there was freedom of religion, freedom of the press (La Prensa called him a son of a bitch every day, among worse things), elections, the right to go on strike, etc. Most of the human rights hypocrites who denounced Nicaragua had never even stepped foot into the country. Somoza purportedly held thousands of political prisoners, when in fact he only held fifty-nine, who were arrested for such things as bank robbery, murder, etc. Whereas anti-Somoza rallies drew 10,000-15,000, pro-Somoza rallies usually drew 75,000-150,000. If he was such a 'dictator,' nothing bad about him would have left the country. People wouldn't have been allowed to leave the country, testify against him in the U.S.A., and then return to Nicaragua. If the Sandinistas were so great, why did over 150,000- more than 5% of the population- leave Nicaragua in the first year alone, after they assumed power? As for abolishing the death penalty, nothing could be further from the truth. In their first year of power, the Sandinistas killed some 3,000 men, women, and children- as many people as Pinochet is supposed to have killed in seventeen years.

The Sandinistas were one of the most democratic liberation movements and committed very few human rights abuses. Their revolution overthrew one of the most brutal and repressive latin american regimes, established democracy and abolished the death penalty. Here is the Sandinistas political platform which was established after the revolution (from Wikipedia):

Their platform means nothing if they don't follow it with actions, and you know it. Heck, just look further down your wikipedia page :
During the war Amnesty International and other groups reported that political prisoners in Sandinista prisons, such as in Las Tejas, were beaten, deprived of sleep and tortured with electric shocks. They were denied food and water and kept in dark cubicles that had a surface of less than one square meter, known as chiquitas ("little ones.") These cubicles were too small to sit up in and had no sanitation and almost no ventilation.

I would say the Ku Klux Klan was the most evil as they brutally murdered many innocent people because of their skin colour. Other evil terrorist groups include the Contras (supported by the USA), UNITA (supported by the USA), the Khmer Rouge (supported by the USA) and Al Qaeda (originally supported by the USA). The Sandinistas, Vietcong, MPLA and IRA were all fighting for democracy and social justice against the capitalist and fascist oppressors and it is absolutely absurd to call them terrorists.

The IRA never fought for democracey or social justice. The UK is a democracey, the majority of the population [of Northern Irland] wanted to stay with the UK. The IRA represent a tiny minority of the Irish, and I am not sure how much social justice they ever achieved/are acheving between their drug dealing, robberies and murders!

When all the peoples of Irland were asked to vote on the matter - because that what a democracey is - they decided by a clear majority that Northern Irland was and should stay part of the UK.

As for Bloddy Sunday, there is a much reason to believe that the IRA fired first as there is to believe that the Paras fired first. The truth will never come out. Even if the Paras did open fire first, its not like the IRA has not killed enougth civilians itself!