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Who does/has done illicit/illegal drugs? The favorite drug thread has piqued my curiosity.

I've only done drugs which I believe should be legal.

Hello Mr. Policeman

I recommend that most should not use drugs unless they feel it is absolutely necessary to experience stupid.

Drugs. Smoked pot. Twice. I don't want to put anymore foreign things in my lungs. Have a nice day.



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Drugs are for fools and the weak.

^ I'm in the fools category, but it's a lot of fun.

I spent 10 years living with a crack addict so I would never do drugs or be friends with anyone who does them either.

Used marijuana all the time, don't anymore.

i did. was a whole lot of fun back then, but I've found other ways to entertain myself.

I spent 10 years living with a crack addict so I would never do drugs or be friends with anyone who does them either.

10 years? Why?

Have in the past. Been a few years and have no desire to anymore.

10 years? Why?
My brother was a crack addict from when I was 8 till 18. Then the parents had enough and he left for rehab. Now lives in Oz which is where i like him to be!

My early 20s were littered with experimentation. Nowadays I just drink lots of alcohol, but that's OK because it's legal and therefore not at all harmful to my health or that of those around me. I can't be doing with the dangers of Marijuana... all that giggling and feeling calm and relaxed... god what an animal...

*raises a glass to Bill Hicks*

Drugs are for fools and the weak.
Do you drink coffee/drink coke/eat chocolate?

Do you drink coffee/drink coke/eat chocolate?
yes. yes. yes.
Do I win? ;)

in about 8-9th grade i went through a experimental thing (no peer pressure or anything, just my own curiousity)

did weed, acid, oxycotton (yes, the redneck herion.. fucking embarrassing to say now) and i have even huffed gas... i would very strongly suggest you dont try the last three (weeds tolerable if you feel it necessary and you can control yourself)

i have some funny yet embarrassing stories. my first time on acid i just stood still as possible until it really hit me, then i dropped and hugged the floor until i woke up way later. waste of a high... the gas thing was the worst, but i feel like an idiot even mentioning i did the stuff.

im clean as can be though now, went through my experimental phase already. suprising, as im only 16.

I have done illegal drugs. No I am not intending to do that again, because it's bad for me. Trust me, I know, I'm a Pharmacist.

I'll probably smoke weed everyday until I die, but I might just back off on the other drugs, mostly due to the stigma attached to them, plus after I've done acid 40 times it really won't be so cool anymore.

Drugs are fun, just do things within reason, don't do heroin everyday for three weeks and then cry when you can't stop.

And don't smoke meth or coke, they're hell for your lungs and much less addictive if you snort them, well... less addictive...

The sorts of drugs you're probably talking about are illegal here. I am a law-abiding citizen. People who break the law are criminals. Criminals are scum. I don't want to be scum. So I don't do drugs, regardless of whether or not I think some of them should be legalised. Which, by the way, I don't.

The sorts of drugs you're probably talking about are illegal here. I am a law-abiding citizen. People who break the law are criminals. Criminals are scum. I don't want to be scum. So I don't do drugs, regardless of whether or not I think some of them should be legalised. Which, by the way, I don't.
And you always do what others tell you to? :p

Do you drink coffee/drink coke/eat chocolate?

There is an ever so slight difference between those and things like heroin.

There is an ever so slight difference between those and things like heroin.
Not to some people I know (excepting chocolate in that case)... ;)

And you always do what others tell you to? :p

Only people who can lock me up with sex-starved people called Tyrone, or fine me, yes.

I don't do drugs as a habit, but my brother's girlfriend keeps on trying to get me stoned. I've never smoked weed, but she gets me to chew it. Never seems to have much effect, other than making me lose at chess.

By the way, if you eat weed, have it in a yoghurt or something. It tastes horrible on it's own.

I've recently quit smoking pot after two years on-and-off. When I started smoking dope I found it made me more creative, more sociable, and more happy. Although I never found it made me stupid (my marks actually improved while I was smoking) I quit for two reasons:

1) My health has deteriorated from "disgustingly fit" to "slightly above average," and while I'm not sure I'll ever get it back again, I miss being able to run 15kms and not even be breathing hard. (It's now run 15 minutes and be breathing hard.)
2) I found that I ended up smoking to feel normal, not feel enhanced. I'm not sure I like that.

I've also experimented with a variety of other substances including ecstasy, speed, amyls, ketamine... Nothing I'd want to do twice with the exception of ex, which was so good that I don't trust myself to take it again. (If that makes sense.)

I also drink heavily on a semi-frequent basis, and I abuse caffeine.

The sorts of drugs you're probably talking about are illegal here. I am a law-abiding citizen. People who break the law are criminals. Criminals are scum. I don't want to be scum. So I don't do drugs, regardless of whether or not I think some of them should be legalised. Which, by the way, I don't.

Ever jay-walked? Double-parked? Cursed in public?

Nothing makes me more irritated than judgemental wankers who think they can tar all drug users, past and present, with the same brush. Face it, if you live in today's Western society, you use drugs - whether they're illegal or not is in some cases only a semantic concern. And you never know - one of these days you might find yourself drunk at a party and smoking a joint. Then maybe your definition of "scum" might change.

Drugs are for fools and the weak.
I notice you don't back this up with any hard evidence. Also bear in mind that what the anrrow-minded refer to as "drugs" are invariably "prohibited substances" and as such are quite often only harmful to you if you get caught and sentenced and buggered. Like alcohol and tobacco, most "drugs" are only harmful (to the "weak") if used in excess.

I'm damned if I can give up my morning coffee. So shoot me. :p

I think he may have been joking, Biercanistan. Knowing what this forum's like, I'm probably wrong, though...

Pretty much eveyone does some kind of drug and what they choose to insert into their own body is their own buisness as long as they accept the consequences and don't try and pester others to join them.
For example, i can't touch caffeine without violent stomach pains but i'm quite happy on weed.
Go figure!

Drugs are for fools and the weak.
That's your dumbass opinion.

Ever jay-walked? Double-parked? Cursed in public?

No, no no. Once or twice I've done 31mph in a 30mph speed limit, though, but it's imposible to hold that pedal in exactly the same position constantly. Police give a certain margin for error (10% I think it is) where speed limits are concerned for that very reason.

Nothing makes me more irritated than judgemental wankers who think they can tar all drug users, past and present, with the same brush. Face it, if you live in today's Western society, you use drugs - whether they're illegal or not is in some cases only a semantic concern. And you never know - one of these days you might find yourself drunk at a party and smoking a joint. Then maybe your definition of "scum" might change.

Legal drugs aren't my concern. I take them if I need them, I don't often need them though.
And I would never 'smoke a joint', because I never allow myself to get so drunk that I lose control.

Criminals are scum. I don't want to be scum.

So you are going to allow your state legislature, whatever that may be, to define your self image?

And I would never 'smoke a joint', because I never allow myself to get so drunk that I lose control.

But you might find yourself in a country where an ability to speak english was illegal. Then you'd be scum.

As much as chocolate and caffiene are drugs they're not the drugs, I'm sure, hes talking about. You can get addicted to caffiene but does caffiene deteriorate your brain as well as your body, I think not.

So you are going to allow your state legislature, whatever that may be, to define your self image?

If people wish to have the laws regarding drugs changed, and their is sufficient support, then they will eventually be changed. If I agreed with such a cause I would throw my own voice behind it as well, as I would any other and have done so in the past, via petitions and to a lesser, more indirect degree, voting. I wouldn't just go and break the law because I disagreed with it.

And if the laws regarding drugs are changed so that they are legal, then I will no longer care if people use them. It will be legal, and they will be doing nothing wrong.

Ever jay-walked? Double-parked? Cursed in public?
Driven over the speed limit? Missed a stop sign? Overtaken in a no overtaking zone? Forgotten to renew your licence? Walked out of a shop with too much change? Done more than 5mph in a car park? Fished without a permit? Seen a car accident and not reported it? Heard a disturbance and not reported it?

There is a multitude of small ways that every citizen in every country can break the law, and it takes a special kind of dickhead with a special kind of rod up their ass to genuinely think that because someone has used an illegal substance that they are in some way a criminal any more than those who perpetrate the cited examples.

Get off your high horses and throw away your Aspirin.

They're trying to build a prison............

As much as chocolate and caffiene are drugs they're not the drugs, I'm sure, hes talking about. You can get addicted to caffiene but does caffiene deteriorate your brain as well as your body, I think not.
Caffeine causes dehydration which affects every cell of the body. It also stimulates some part of the brain (dunno which) that responds to the stimulus in the same way that the brain responds to nicotine and other addictive substances. Which is why people who drink coffee get more headaches, sleep worse, and are more lethargic in the morning than those that don't.

Get your facts right.

Driven over the speed limit? -- As I mentioned, only a few times within the tolerance level.

Missed a stop sign? -- No. It's called paying attention to the road. It's how you avoid hitting the stop sign.

Overtaken in a no overtaking zone? -- No.

Forgotten to renew your licence? -- No.

Walked out of a shop with too much change? -- No.

Done more than 5mph in a car park? -- The only car parks I use are privately owned, with a clearly marked 15mph speed limit. Which I stick to.

Fished without a permit? -- I don't fish, so no.

Seen a car accident and not reported it? -- The only car accidents I have seen already had emergency services attenting.

Heard a disturbance and not reported it? -- No.

As much as chocolate and caffiene are drugs they're not the drugs, I'm sure, hes talking about. You can get addicted to caffiene but does caffiene deteriorate your brain as well as your body, I think not.

Well, it is a mind altering substance. If you drink too much coffee regularly, it may well do.

If people wish to have the laws regarding drugs changed, and their is sufficient support, then they will eventually be changed. If I agreed with such a cause I would throw my own voice behind it as well, as I would any other and have done so in the past, via petitions and to a lesser, more indirect degree, voting. I wouldn't just go and break the law because I disagreed with it.

And if the laws regarding drugs are changed so that they are legal, then I will no longer care if people use them. It will be legal, and they will be doing nothing wrong.

Wow your right you know i just realized it. No, wait your not. or else it would be legalized because trust me when i say, its sad, but enough people want it to happen they're are just not capable of making it happen. Even if they were trust me it would not happen especially w/our current administration.

Wow your right you know i just realized it. No, wait your not. or else it would be legalized because trust me when i say, its sad, but enough people want it to happen they're are just not capable of making it happen. Even if they were trust me it would not happen especially w/our current administration.

As you used the term 'administration' I'll assume you're American, since I don't frequently hear people use that term for their government anywhere else, so I don't know what the laws regarding drugs are over there, nor the movements to get them changed. If the administration is standing in the way of the laws, then obviously not enough people are supporting their change. Either that, or they don't have it high enough on their priorities to influence their vote.

So you are going to allow your state legislature, whatever that may be, to define your self image?

Curse my incoherentness at this time of the morning!

Okay, this is a difficult point to put across, but that isn't necessarily a bad way of defining your self image. Bear in mind that laws are determined by the values of the wider society, which also play an important part in shaping who we are.

Well, it is a mind altering substance. If you drink too much coffee regularly, it may well do.

See thats whats funny my grandparents have drank coffee since they were about 10 to 15 and still are regularly but are not "burnt out"

But you might find yourself in a country where an ability to speak english was illegal. Then you'd be scum.
Maybe not, given his rather limited language skills..

Wow your right you know i just realized it. No, wait your not. or else it would be legalized because trust me when i say, its sad, but enough people want it to happen they're are just not capable of making it happen. Even if they were trust me it would not happen especially w/our current administration.

Please can you not write in bold. It makes me much less inclined to read what you have to say.

Anyway, you could make it happen if you wanted. Organise a massive petition to legalise it. If you publicised it well you could probably get enough signatures to get it legalised.

Maybe not, given his rather limited language skills..

Nice. Throw a few insults around, makes everything better.

Well, the legalization of marijuana was a question on the ballot in Alaska. It was defeated. The only real progress over here is medicinal. :headbang:

See thats whats funny my grandparents have drank coffee since they were about 10 to 15 and still are regularly but are not "burnt out"

Well, I guess they drink it in moderation. I think if they drank 20 mugs a day, they'd probably have some negative effects.

Who DOESN'T do drugs? Would be a shorter thread then. :)

Well, I guess they drink it in moderation. I think if they drank 20 mugs a day, they'd probably have some negative effects.

Like excessive use of the toilet to start :D.

My mother had cancer in her bladder not long ago. It wasn't malignant, so it's all gone now. But one of her doctors suggested she start drinking decaffeinated coffee. He didn't really give a reason (he could have been working for a decaffeinated coffee company I suppose...), and I'm not sure why he would suggest that, but that's what he said. I haven't looked into it though.

Driven over the speed limit? -- As I mentioned, only a few times within the tolerance level.

Missed a stop sign? -- No. It's called paying attention to the road. It's how you avoid hitting the stop sign.

Overtaken in a no overtaking zone? -- No.

Forgotten to renew your licence? -- No.

Walked out of a shop with too much change? -- No.

Done more than 5mph in a car park? -- The only car parks I use are privately owned, with a clearly marked 15mph speed limit. Which I stick to.

Fished without a permit? -- I don't fish, so no.

Seen a car accident and not reported it? -- The only car accidents I have seen already had emergency services attenting.

Heard a disturbance and not reported it? -- No.

Ever had fun?

Driven over the speed limit? etc etc...
Hey everyone! Mother Theresa is still alive!

:p

Ever had fun?

If you can't have fun without breaking the law, you have problems.

It's not against the law to go on holiday, to engage in sports, to have a drink with friends, to watch TV or go to the movies, or go to official 'track days' at race tracks...

Who DOESN'T do drugs? Would be a shorter thread then. :)

It wouldn't be, judging by the results of the poll...

If you can't have fun without breaking the law, you have problems.

It's not against the law to go on holiday, to engage in sports, to have a drink with friends, to watch TV or go to the movies, or go to official 'track days' at race tracks...
While I agree with everything you say here, can I just ask you wether or not you actively participate in either the inhalation of tobacco or the imbibing of alcoholic beverages? What would you do if smoking tobacco was made illegal, or even the consumption of alcohol. Because that happened in the USA before you know? And it didn't prove too popular.

used to smoke pot years ago but it lost its appeal.....to qoute Denis Leary `ppl who say pot leads to other drugs, no it doesnt, it leads to fu**ing carpentry`.

What would you do if smoking tobacco was made illegal, or even the consumption of alcohol. Because that happened in the USA before you know? And it didn't prove too popular.

That's the idea. If a high enough percentage of people disagree with a piece of legislation, it just doesn't work. Thus, it wouldn't be illegal.

While I agree with everything you say here, can I just ask you wether or not you actively participate in either the inhalation of tobacco or the imbibing of alcoholic beverages? What would you do if smoking tobacco was made illegal, or even the consumption of alcohol. Because that happened in the USA before you know? And it didn't prove too popular.

I don't smoke, but from time-to-time I drink. If alcohol was made illegal, I would stop drinking, but I would actively protest it.

Before having kids, I used to do a lot of drugs. Extasy was one of my favorites. I still get the urge to take it again, but responsibility will not let. However, that was some of the most fun I've ever had! I smoked weed everyday for a while. Good times, but then I grew up. I think weed should be legal, but there are some people who just should not smoke. Like people with addictive personalities. If you start to feel you need it, you should just quit for a while till you have it under control again. I tried prescription medication, trazodone and colonipin(sp?), but that led to a very tragic accident and I won't touch pills any more.

Drugs are for fools and the weak.

Explain.

I smoke pot. I don't use anything heavier cause I don't want to mess myself up really badly. Weed is fun though, good times have been had.

If you can't have fun without breaking the law, you have problems.

It's not against the law to go on holiday, to engage in sports, to have a drink with friends, to watch TV or go to the movies, or go to official 'track days' at race tracks...

I agree that having fun within the law is definitely a good thing... I guess what I meant to ask was, how actively do you constrain yourself to the legal boundaries of your society? (Which country are you from?)

I mean, laws are all well and good, but if breaking a law isn't going to hurt me or hurt someone else, then I would personally disregard it as unnecessary. But that's just me.

I agree that having fun within the law is definitely a good thing... I guess what I meant to ask was, how actively do you constrain yourself to the legal boundaries of your society? (Which country are you from?)

I mean, laws are all well and good, but if breaking a law isn't going to hurt me or hurt someone else, then I would personally disregard it as unnecessary. But that's just me.

How actively? Well, if I know a law exists, I try and avoid breaking it... once in a while I bat the idea of going above the speed limit around in my head, if traffic has caused me to run behind on the way to work or something, but I ultimately end up sighing and sticking with the limit.
For me, it's become more of a subconscious thing. Sometimes I find myself almost physically incapable of breaking the law even if I want to. I tried to be a 'rebel' once back in college/6th form when I was walking home with some friends; I intended to throw a chocolate wrapper or something casually on the floor. I should say 'try to throw', because I couldn't actually bring myself to do it and ended up carrying it home.
I live in Britain, by the way.

Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.
-Henry David Thoreau


Even if you don’t break the law, don’t be bound by it.
-Outlaw Star

How actively? Well, if I know a law exists, I try and avoid breaking it... once in a while I bat the idea of going above the speed limit around in my head, if traffic has caused me to run behind on the way to work or something, but I ultimately end up sighing and sticking with the limit.
For me, it's become more of a subconscious thing. Sometimes I find myself almost physically incapable of breaking the law even if I want to. I tried to be a 'rebel' once back in college/6th form when I was walking home with some friends; I intended to throw a chocolate wrapper or something casually on the floor. I should say 'try to throw', because I couldn't actually bring myself to do it and ended up carrying it home.
I live in Britain, by the way.

Britain? I thought they decriminalized person marijuana? No record but a small fine?

Britain? I thought they decriminalized person marijuana? No record but a small fine?
No, it's still illegal. It's just been made into a class C drug. Which means you're unlikely to get a criminal prosecution against you unless you've got like a suitcase full.

I also still don't think Ghargonia is being entirely truthful about what a law abiding citizen he/she is. I fail to believe that they have never used a public car park with a 5mph speed limit or exceeded the spee limit on our roads... unless they live in London where it's nigh impossible to get above 5mph unless its 3am.

I also still don't think Ghargonia is being entirely truthful about what a law abiding citizen he/she is. I fail to believe that they have never used a public car park with a 5mph speed limit or exceeded the spee limit on our roads... unless they live in London where it's nigh impossible to get above 5mph unless its 3am.

Come and check all the places I ever park. Both retail parks near here are marked '15'. Even my college was marked '15'. My work car park is 20mph, although it's so tight and rough that you couldn't possibly do 20mph even if you wanted too. Most car parks in this town are privately owned, so they can set any limit they like. And I know of none that go so low as 5mph. 10mph is the lowest I've ever seen, and that was out-of-town. Car parks outside pubs and things aren't marked, but for obvious reasons I don't drive to pubs.

So far as speeding goes, at 3am there's no point in speeding anyway, because you have nowhere to go in a hurry. Speed limits exist for a reason, a very good reason. It's not just through an aversion to breaking the law that I stick to speed limits.

This is the only body I have. I intend to take very good care of it. Putting things like nicotine and drugs into it does not help. 'Nuff said.

Drugs are for fools and the weak.
You are a fool if you believe everything the government tells you.

So far as speeding goes, at 3am there's no point in speeding anyway, because you have nowhere to go in a hurry. Speed limits exist for a reason, a very good reason. It's not just through an aversion to breaking the law that I stick to speed limits.
Agreed. Having been to school with a boy who was killed by a car doing 20 in a 30 zone I totally agree that speed limits are there for a reason. Unfortunately, in some areas of Britain, the reason they are in place is as a means of generating revenue for our beloved government.
This is the only body I have. I intend to take very good care of it. Putting things like nicotine and drugs into it does not help. 'Nuff said.
No painkillers? No beer? Christ... the horror! The horror!

*joins Keith Richards' cult*

drugs i've done recently:

well, just now i'm about to grab a can of coke (containint caffiene, a drug)
last night i took my birth control pill (drug of artifical hormones)
on new years i got drunk (alohcol) and had a couple of hits off a joint (marijuana)
a few days before that, my back was killing me so i popped a tylenol (astemenephine (sp?))

back when i was 16 i got my wisdom teeth pulled. i was givne nitrous oxide and an iv, then antibiotics and painkillers. (four drugs right there)

so yes, i do drugs.

I use marijuana in the 'States on an experimental medicinal basis as an appetite balancer. The chemotherapy I have been receving lately as treatment for melanoma(I think that's how it's spelled, a sinister form of skin cancer) deprives me of a healthy appetite. Plus the pot relieves the constant pain I feel day after day for precious hours at a time.

And damn Donald Rumsfeld for trying to deprive me of it!

:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

Yes. But not too often.








Fine... Quite often. Been clean for the past month though.

The idea of this thread is probably implied as "Who does illegal drugs?" Saying you had NO2 for a dental operation is not a valid response. The certified doctor or medical practictioner gave/ prescribed you those drugs, so in no way are they illegal by any stretch of the imagination. Last time I heard, birth control pills can be had at any pharmecutical store in the United States. Stores will NOT sell any drug whatsoever that is illegal. Afterall, they want to stay in business. On another hand, it's our human nature to defy the law. From Jesus to Ghandi, everyone has broken laws.

I have tried almost every illegal drug. Some were fun, some sucked. None are worth the consequences.

Quite honestly, many of the things we consume on a daily basis contain psychoactive ingredients that could be considered "drugs". If someone is to deny that they put any drugs into their body, in all likelyhood they are lying.

As for illicit drugs, there's a wide range of mind altering substances out there that have the potential to hurt you, but for the most part the effects are not so dangerous. I personally smoke pot recreationally (not for medical reasons) and I feel that it's a perfectly legitimate practice, comparable to drinking.

I do them, once in a while.

I smoke pot and I have no problem with it. I often found that a joint before school helped me concentrate, rather than the traditional idea that it makes you stupid. It helps me relax and is great if you've had a really crap day and need something to calm you down. I enjoy smoking it myself, but would never push other people to try it as it is something that should be entirely up to the individual.

Ghargonia:
Only a complete MORON who has no sense of morality would confuse what's legal with what's right. If you think people who smoke weed are bad, but if it were legalised tomorrow then they become good, or at least not bad, your mind has been completely ruined by the state. They have you programmed into the perfect little automaton, which you seem to be proud of, with all your scrupulous law-abiding. But the truth is for the rest of us, it is near impossible to make it through a day without breaking a law. That sure doesn't make us bad people, just residents of countries who's legislators feel obligated to make laws for everything. Would your sense of morality change if you took a trip to say, Afgahnistan. Suddenly you would find it perfectly OK for men to kill their wives if they broke sharia, or to stone teenage girls who get pregnant before marriage, even if they were raped. Well, it's their law, so it must be ok. How about if you went to Amsterdam, would you go get a blow job and spliff? Since it is legal it would be ok, right? What an ASS YOU ARE!

(full disclosure, I would go get the hummer, but that's just me...)

Millions of people sit in jail, their lives ruined for nothing more than smoking a joint. Their crime is choosing a non-sanctioned drug over one of the legal ones that the government has it's tax hooks into. They never hurt anyone but themselves. Morally, if you believe one owns one's own body, than this imprisonment for using a certain substance over another is morally wrong, regardless of the law. I challenge you to find a single human being in all of recorded history that has died of marijuana overdose. I know you can't, because no one ever has. Weed is safer than alcohol or cigarettes. I don't even use it anyomre, makes me all jumpy, but I see nothing wrong if you like it, as long as you don't drive and you don't make me inhale the second hand smoke, cool. The law is wrong on this one.

BTW - it is OxyContin...not Oxycotton. Something I take everyday for severe shoulder pain from being rear-ended twice in the span of 2 months, the second time at 40 miles an hour. It relieves my pain, and I don't abuse it, but because some people do, I have to be treated with suspiscion, sign contracts and even get drug tests at my doctor's office. This is an unacceptable invasion of my privacy by the government into what should be between me and my doctor. The DEA is trying to shut down doctors everywhere for treating pain. The agents aren't doctors, but they see fit to determine how pain should be treated and who should get it. I believe that withholding pain medication or undertreating pain because the government worries you might be getting high is actually torture. I know that without the Oxy, I would be in agony 24 hours a day. Even with it I am in pain, just a level that I can bear. If the DEA took my doctor's license away (and they have investigated him) I would be subject to the torture of living without any remedy for my pain. This is what the government does with your tax dollars. Meddling in people's lives, putting them in jail and putting good doctors out of business and depriving them of the best treatment options for pain or disease. All because patients might be enjoying their meds a little too much, or smoking a plant that isn't produced by an enormous corporate campaign donor. The war on drugs is really a war against the people's freedom and ownership of their own bodies and minds. These laws are WRONG!

It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom is what it is, okay, keep that in mind at all times, thank you.

It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom is what it is, okay, keep that in mind at all times, thank you.
Are you a Tool fan or a Bill Hicks fan?

Yes, why not? I does not make me dangerous to anyone (not even myself). So why not?

Are you a Tool fan or a Bill Hicks fan?
Tool.

Tool.
Are they still together or did Maynard quit for good to spend time with APC?

Are they still together or did Maynard quit for good to spend time with APC?
I'm not sure what their status is exactly, I listen to an extremely wide variety of music, so I don't tend to pay that close of attention to the happenings of any particular band. Aenema's the only album I have of their's at this point. All I really know is Tool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> APC and hope Maynard didn't quit Tool for APC.

The worst drug I ever took was a painkiller. I don't intend to take illegal drugs because I have chosen not to. I never will.

No.

I don't do drugs. Don't want to be hooked on to anything. Even if it's remotely impossible.

Apparently Maynard quit Tool to join APC. He quit after their 3rd Albums tour and has already released 3 albums with APC, there are rumours of them reuniting but they have either no evidence or are dismissed by the band members themseles.

Apparently Maynard quit Tool to join APC. He quit after their 3rd Albums tour and has already released 3 albums with APC, there are rumours of them reuniting but they have either no evidence or are dismissed by the band members themseles.
Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse?

Apparently Maynard quit Tool to join APC. He quit after their 3rd Albums tour and has already released 3 albums with APC, there are rumours of them reuniting but they have either no evidence or are dismissed by the band members themseles.
But, Tool released 4 albums, and at one point they and APC were touring together, was the first time I ever heard of A Perfect Circle and didn't even know Maynard was part of it at the time...

Ghargonia:
Only a complete MORON who has no sense of morality would confuse what's legal with what's right. If you think people who smoke weed are bad, but if it were legalised tomorrow then they become good, or at least not bad, your mind has been completely ruined by the state. They have you programmed into the perfect little automaton, which you seem to be proud of, with all your scrupulous law-abiding. But the truth is for the rest of us, it is near impossible to make it through a day without breaking a law. That sure doesn't make us bad people, just residents of countries who's legislators feel obligated to make laws for everything. Would your sense of morality change if you took a trip to say, Afgahnistan. Suddenly you would find it perfectly OK for men to kill their wives if they broke sharia, or to stone teenage girls who get pregnant before marriage, even if they were raped. Well, it's their law, so it must be ok. How about if you went to Amsterdam, would you go get a blow job and spliff? Since it is legal it would be ok, right? What an ASS YOU ARE!

(full disclosure, I would go get the hummer, but that's just me...)

Millions of people sit in jail, their lives ruined for nothing more than smoking a joint. Their crime is choosing a non-sanctioned drug over one of the legal ones that the government has it's tax hooks into. They never hurt anyone but themselves. Morally, if you believe one owns one's own body, than this imprisonment for using a certain substance over another is morally wrong, regardless of the law. I challenge you to find a single human being in all of recorded history that has died of marijuana overdose. I know you can't, because no one ever has. Weed is safer than alcohol or cigarettes. I don't even use it anyomre, makes me all jumpy, but I see nothing wrong if you like it, as long as you don't drive and you don't make me inhale the second hand smoke, cool. The law is wrong on this one.

BTW - it is OxyContin...not Oxycotton. Something I take everyday for severe shoulder pain from being rear-ended twice in the span of 2 months, the second time at 40 miles an hour. It relieves my pain, and I don't abuse it, but because some people do, I have to be treated with suspiscion, sign contracts and even get drug tests at my doctor's office. This is an unacceptable invasion of my privacy by the government into what should be between me and my doctor. The DEA is trying to shut down doctors everywhere for treating pain. The agents aren't doctors, but they see fit to determine how pain should be treated and who should get it. I believe that withholding pain medication or undertreating pain because the government worries you might be getting high is actually torture. I know that without the Oxy, I would be in agony 24 hours a day. Even with it I am in pain, just a level that I can bear. If the DEA took my doctor's license away (and they have investigated him) I would be subject to the torture of living without any remedy for my pain. This is what the government does with your tax dollars. Meddling in people's lives, putting them in jail and putting good doctors out of business and depriving them of the best treatment options for pain or disease. All because patients might be enjoying their meds a little too much, or smoking a plant that isn't produced by an enormous corporate campaign donor. The war on drugs is really a war against the people's freedom and ownership of their own bodies and minds. These laws are WRONG!

Thank you for your input, I'll bear it all in mind next time I pass the moderation forum. Fortunately, it means nothing to me. If you can't put your point across without insulting me, you're not really worthy of anybody's time. In your morass of insults you forgot to mention one thing; I have not once said any law was right, except for speeding. I have even stated that I would protest against a law if I thought it was wrong. I do think laws regarding drugs are right, but I wouldn't particularly care if they were repealed; your body, your life, do what you want to it. So long as you stay away from me while you do it, I couldn't give a monkey's.

If you find a law to be so 'WRONG!' that you're prepared to go around shouting and screaming and damaging your own credibility, instead of breaking it and making yourself a criminal, fight it and get it repealed so that you can do it freely. Although, given your post I doubt that politicians would take you any more seriously than I do.
Laws and morals are two different things. Laws can be changed. Morals can't, they evolve on their own. You won't see me shedding any tears over your imprisonment if you break the law one too many times though.

Freemanistan and Ghargonia...

Make :fluffle:, not :mp5: .





:)

Perhaps it is my own naivety about human nature but I do not understand why we need to attack one another for merely holding dissimilar views. This thread started out as a simple poll, took on a nice role of friendly debate and then degenerated away from anything wholly useful.

Perhaps what bothers me even more here is the one who seems to be holding him self to a higher standard of ethos here is the one whom I vehemently disagree with, Ghargonia. While I personally might like to bring up certain points about personal liberty, the cost in taxes, the benign nature of marijuana and a host of other arguments, the least of which is not the amount of money taxation on marijuana would inflate the government coffers (these people are not stopping anytime soon.), I do not believe it is my place to sit on a pedestal and hurl insults. My hat might say enlightened but if I cannot engage in rational discourse with another human being and merely expect them to adopt my view because its ‘right’ (having never fully articulated it to begin with) am I not being disingenuous to the platform I seek to promote?

Both sides approached a line when making derogatory generalizations, Ghargonia could’ve yes been more compassionate with his language about the ‘scum’ of lawlessness. But when people try to draw direct, personal conclusions from pontifications on a forum, a line of decorum has been breeched.

Now I must apologize to anyone whom I may have offended directly, consider this not as a personal attack but a call back to the table; a third party olive branch if you will. All sides have valid points, and it would seem a shame that several intelligent people couldn’t converse calmly to reap the benefit of the combined intellect.

Freemanistan;
Ghargonia has tendered that should the legitimate government of his country legislate a tolerance of the narcotics in question he’d not mind your consumption of them. I don’t think he intended any of it as a personal attack. Perhaps it would be fair to say he is ‘on the fence’ somewhat. While he agrees with the arguments for criminalization he will also agree with a government who feels that individual right now out ways this.

Ghargonia;
I guess the question for you is this; If it came to a vote which side would you be on and why? While I have given up narcotics because of their tremendously negative effect on my life I do not see the need to limit others personal choice. While this, for some, comes to an issue of individual freedoms and rights to me it is an economic matter.

Imprisonment is costly for the government, not to mention the cost of investigating, detaining and trying these individuals. The ethics of it aside for a moment do you see this as government money well spent? Are they making significant headway here?

The way I look at it is this; 1/3 Canadians are doing pot at least once a month. (Or at least that’s how many are willing to admit it to a federal census board.) This is more than those who smoke tobacco, approx 24% in 2000. When I last smoked, admittedly more than a year ago, the price of marijuana for consumption purposes was $5/oz when outdoor was in season. This comes up to $80/lbs. The wholesale price of tobacco right now is about $3-4/lbs. The cultivation of outdoor grown marijuana and tobacco plant is very similar so we can assume in an open market a company could charge that and be turning a good profit. (The tobacco companies aren’t poor by any stretch.) The average Canadian smoker consumes 17.4 cigarettes a day, at a population of 30 million, makes for 45,727,200,000 cigarettes a year. From my experience I used a gram of marijuana per joint, but we’ll half that for the sake of realism and argument. (I was an avid user, fatties over pinners.) .001lbs is a half of a gram. This would mean Canadians, by a conservative estimate, are consuming 45,727,200lbs of marijuana in a year.

At current street value this would make a $3,658,176,000 industry per year. At tobacco prices it would be about $160,045,200. So with all the normal benefits of forcing people to file income tax, creating jobs et cetera another opportunity arises. Because of certain agreements within the UN if marijuana was legalized certain governmental bodies are required to be in place. If the government took a role as sole wholesaler and retailer it could buy from the producer at $160,045,200/year and sell to the public at $3,658,176,000/year; thus turning a $3,498,130,800 profit, which could be spent on social programs, job creation, police et cetera. Not to mention the aforementioned money saved in the justice department.

As a question of pure economics would this not be a more than compelling argument?

I've only done drugs which I believe should be legal.

Ditto ^^b Only natural substances for me :)

But, Tool released 4 albums, and at one point they and APC were touring together, was the first time I ever heard of A Perfect Circle and didn't even know Maynard was part of it at the time...

Sorry, four albums. I am a bit forgetful.

Who does/has done illicit/illegal drugs?

Who does drugs? Ignorant fools!!

Ghargonia:
Your air of condecension and arrogance is hard to take seriously. Your feeling of moral superiority was apparent in your posts, and the implication that you conflated morality with legality was evidenced by your use of the word "scum" and your statement about not caring when a person goes to jail for braking the law even if it is a bad law that is infact immoral. You can whine to the moderators all you like, appeal to authority seems ingrained in your nature. If they boot me off of here for calling you an ass, so be it, I stand by my assesment.

When you say I should simply campaign for the law to be changed, as if my representatives are suddenly going to listen to me, even after they refused to ratify a law in my state that was passed by 62% of the voters that would have made most drug use legal for medical purposes and decriminalized marijuana, you're really just dismissing the issue. It would be like telling the Palestinians they should just address the Isreali parliament for redress or asking the African slaves in 19th century America to write a letter to their congressman asking for emancipation. For chrissakes, the Constitution doesn't even give the Fed's the authority to do a tenth of what they do, so they aren't really bound by the law, let alone what their constituents think.

I am considerably active in politics and specifically trying to change this issue (as well as advancing liberty in general), so I am a bit more familiar with what is at stake and what the obstacles are than you seem to be. I have written countless letters to editors, congressmen, and even the president. I have marched, given money and time to end these injustices, the killing of people by depriving them of their medicine and the imprisonment of people who never hurt anyone. But I wouldn't suspect that you'd care to much, since you seem unperterbed by the fact that a generation of minority youth is being destroyed by the drug war, and in a country that holds only 5% of the worlds population, we imprison 25% of the world's inmates, mostly for non-violent drug offenses. After all, they were just a bunch of scum who broke the law one too many times. I'm sure you wont shed any tears for them either.

Very bizarre that you seem to agree that it's not your business what someone does with their own body or life, but you continue to support laws to the contrary. You say that you think drug laws are "right" perhaps without considering the implications. Right now, the drug laws are only negative laws, saying you can't take this or smoke that. A bad enough attempt to control one's mental state through coercion, but consider the other side. With increasingly powerful drugs available, created by extremely wealthy corporations with influence in government, what is to stop them from requiring that you take certain drugs, for pubic safety or "your own good." Right now, they are mandating mental health screening for all children enrolled in public school here, which will lead of course (since the drug companies helped write the legislation) to mandatory drug treatment for various behavioral problems. It's for the kids after all.
http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publications/Privacy/MentalScreening.html

To give up the soverignty of the body and allow the state to determine how your brain chemistry should be managed and by whom is to forfeit the self completely. Even if you don't want to use the various drugs considered illegal, you might want to consider the greater cause of freedom and self-ownership that laws against them threaten.

I'm sure you've read the poem by the Catholic priest who lived in Germany, remarking about how he never stood up or questioned things when the NAZI's came for the gypsies, then the the gays, then the jews, and when they came for him, there was no one left to speak up. Well, I find your blind allegience to law palpably offensive, because it parallels that same scenario. By tolerating these laws, you are endorsing the destruction of freedom and self-ownership. The idea that you would actually support laws that are plainly unust is infuriating, and damages your credibility far more than my anger does mine. Your only reason for doing so seems to be that it is "the law." If it changed tomorrow, you would suddenly tolerate all those people smoking weed who just yesterday you wouldn't shed a tear for in lock-up. If that is not the case, feel free to respond. Otherwise, you aren't worth my time.

Ditto ^^b Only natural substances for me :)
What like cocaine, morphine, and alkaloids found in the nightshade family of plants?

I used to use ALOT of drugs very frequently. Then I started dating the girl I would eventually marry, who didn't use drugs at all. I had the choice to continue seeing her or continue using and I chose her.

When I see the people I used to hang out with today, and compare their lives to mine, I know I made the right choice.

I still have a few friends that dabble in marijuana and they know I dont care what they do on their own time as long as they dont bring it to my house.

Perhaps it is my own naivety about human nature but I do not understand why we need to attack one another for merely holding dissimilar views. This thread started out as a simple poll, took on a nice role of friendly debate and then degenerated away from anything wholly useful.


It is my experience that it is the attempt to convert others to your belief system that catalyzes verbal hostility. When you believe you are right and someone else is wrong, the most proactive next step is to attempt to rend them from their views as a gardener pulls a plant from soil.

But people sometimes forget they are dealing with emotionally sensitive, sentient beings. They fail to treat their ideological opponents as all humans deserve to be treated, and this imparts anger and resentment on the recipient of their gruff actions. A grave injustice is felt, and from the subsequent wound vindictive strategies arise.

From that point, hostilities perpetuate like a self-sustaining dynamo. Once the fire is ignited, it will burn for as long as there exists fuel to be burnt, and the human psyche provides ample fuel for the fire.

They say revenge is a dish best served cold. If so, then I feel bad for those who feast in the dining halls of debate.

Well, it is a mind altering substance. If you drink too much coffee regularly, it may well do.

Confirmed by experience.

23 cups in about 4 hours is not a good thing.

I voted no however because caffine is the only "drug" I do.

It is my experience that it is the attempt to convert others to your belief system that catalyzes verbal hostility. When you believe you are right and someone else is wrong, the most proactive next step is to attempt to rend them from their views as a gardener pulls a plant from soil.

But people sometimes forget they are dealing with emotionally sensitive, sentient beings. They fail to treat their ideological opponents as all humans deserve to be treated, and this imparts anger and resentment on the recipient of their gruff actions. A grave injustice is felt, and from the subsequent wound vindictive strategies arise.

From that point, hostilities perpetuate like a self-sustaining dynamo. Once the fire is ignited, it will burn for as long as there exists fuel to be burnt, and the human psyche provides ample fuel for the fire.

They say revenge is a dish best served cold. If so, then I feel bad for those who feast in the dining halls of debate.

But should we ever forget that we are discussing with other intelligent beings are we not then lowering the practice of competitive debate, the crux of enlightenment, to nothing more than a sort of mental masturbation?

I can agree with your assessment but it is not a justification. Is this something that we have to accept if we deign to participate on an online forum or merely a disturbing, albeit rapidly growing, malignant tend? I find it hard to believe that humanity, now more connected than ever before feels the need to use the net as a tool of dissemination, and by extension homiletic discourse, and not as a tool of intellectual exchange and self growth.

But I digress from the original, or at least more pressing, topic.

Is there not a way, other than my garrulous pontification, to bring the verbal combatants back to their corner, so to speak?

P.S. I do like the usage of “self-sustaining dynamo”, a very apt metaphor. Though upon closer inspection is it not an oxymoron? Not in a literary sense but in a literal sense. Would it not seem to be suggesting a self sustaining source of emission; which is impossible practically speaking?

I challenge you to find a single human being in all of recorded history that has died of marijuana overdose. I know you can't, because no one ever has. Weed is safer than alcohol or cigarettes.
sidenote: it is physically impossible to overdose from smoking or eating too much weed. you woudl need a couple thousand ounces to accomplish this and by the time you get anywhere near that amount, chances are you would be taking a weed nap.

also, the only way to permanently damage your brain on pot is by using a near lethal dosage.

the reason it takes so much pot to kill you is simple, every drug has an intoxication to death ratio. for alcohol for instance this ratio is 1:9. thus, if three shots of whiskey will get you drunk, 27 will kill you (assuming you don't throw up... and in that case, assuming you don't choke on your vomit) for thc, this ratio is 1 to 40,000. thus it would take a lot of weed to kill you.

The idea of this thread is probably implied as "Who does illegal drugs?" Saying you had NO2 for a dental operation is not a valid response. The certified doctor or medical practictioner gave/ prescribed you those drugs, so in no way are they illegal by any stretch of the imagination. Last time I heard, birth control pills can be had at any pharmecutical store in the United States. Stores will NOT sell any drug whatsoever that is illegal. Afterall, they want to stay in business. On another hand, it's our human nature to defy the law. From Jesus to Ghandi, everyone has broken laws.
hey. the poll is entitled "do you do drugs" the thread is titled "do you do drugs" and nitrous oxide and those painkillers i got for getting my wisdom teeth yanked are a lot more hardcore drugs than pot. though hell, if i could do nitrous oxide recreationally... man.. that was a fun experience. (yes, even the teeth pulling part. i couldn't feel anything other than pressure but was conscious and could hear it. i sat there thinking "my gums are wide open and they're yanking away and this hurts less than getting my teeth cleaned at the dentist")

but yeah, if the thread author had called this thread "have you done illegal drugs" then that would be another matter. they didn't.

The way I look at it is this; 1/3 Canadians are doing pot at least once a month. (Or at least that’s how many are willing to admit it to a federal census board.) This is more than those who smoke tobacco, approx 24% in 2000. When I last smoked, admittedly more than a year ago, the price of marijuana for consumption purposes was $5/oz when outdoor was in season. This comes up to $80/lbs. The wholesale price of tobacco right now is about $3-4/lbs. The cultivation of outdoor grown marijuana and tobacco plant is very similar so we can assume in an open market a company could charge that and be turning a good profit. (The tobacco companies aren’t poor by any stretch.) The average Canadian smoker consumes 17.4 cigarettes a day, at a population of 30 million, makes for 45,727,200,000 cigarettes a year. From my experience I used a gram of marijuana per joint, but we’ll half that for the sake of realism and argument. (I was an avid user, fatties over pinners.) .001lbs is a half of a gram. This would mean Canadians, by a conservative estimate, are consuming 45,727,200lbs of marijuana in a year.

woah. are you sure about your units there?

an ounce of pot for $5? do you know how big an ounce of pot is? that's like 10 dimebags. here a dimebag costs $10... and is enough for a nice full one paper joint. an ounce is what you buy if you're going to be selling or having a huge party. (and an ounce comes to about $100-150 depending who's selling and whatever apparantly...i've only come along on purchases and chipped in, i don't have the connections)

oh, and to add to the list of drugs i take, i just bought some cough syrup. damn colds. :(

But you are not doing the said drugs recreationally, right?
As for this person Ditto ^^b Only natural substances for me

LSD is a natural substance. It is extracted from some mushroom. An austrian researcher found it in the '20s or '30s. So is it OK then? Extacy, GHB, PCP, and other ones were originally over-the-counter/ prescription drugs that anyone could get ahold of. So, whoever is against drugs that are illegal, what do you have to say about that? They weren't just legal, they were given to patients to treat their illnesses. It was because of their addictive nature that they were later banned.
Also, the Incas, Aztecs and other indian groups used to consume the coca plant (source of cocaine) as a stimulant/ appetite reducer. It had the pick-me-up effect that they needed to hunt, gather, climb mountains, or travel to attack enemies; much in the same effect as coffee, but better. There was never an incident of indians getting addicted to the substance. It was only until the Europeans exploited the substances, concentrated it, and smoked/snorted/inserted rectally, whatever that the drug became a problem.

Back when I lived with Honored Matre, to get me through the day I'd have an aftershock & Galliano Cocktail for Breakfast, and smoke a blunt before any confrontation I had advance warning of. You can replace confrontation with meeting, if you like, because anytime anyone said anything around her that wasn't singing her praises, she'd feel the need to mock everyone in the room, whether they were involved or not. I also regularly abused painkillers and tried coke a few times while she was going through menopause.

Since I left home, I kinda enjoy life, without putting anything into my body except some alcohol and the occasional penis. It might seem like I'm weak, but two other children and two husbands picked up the same habits after a few years, and two children and one husband dropped them after they moved out. Also, before taking up these habits, we all possessed high-critical blood pressure, and are now considered models of good health, because the bitch is so goddamn stressing.

Edit- If Crack, Novacaine, Lidocaine, and Benzocaine count as separate from Coke, you can add them to the "tried once or twice" list, though these had largely legitimate reasons. The Lidocaine's a bit iffy, but you could call it business related, an accident, or at the very least "not my fault" that I ingested it,

My partner started out smoking pot recreationally, like drinking, but now he pretty much needs it to feel normal and will smoke up several times a day, and that really sucks. Pretty much the only days he doesn't are the ones when he's run out and can't afford more until his benefit comes through. Those aren't pleasant days...
Sometimes I think he should get a job, so he's not sitting around at home getting stoned, but then I worry that he'll have more money to afford more drugs...

I used to think that love would conquer all, but now I'm not so sure... :(

Doing drugs is fine, as long as you aren't hurting yourself or other people while on them, but being addicted to them, whether physically or psychogically, is all wrong.
If you ever feel like you need it, and have to have it, stop.
If you feel like you can't have fun or relax without it, stop.
If you need it to feel normal, stop.
If it's dictating how you live your life, stop.

I'll smoke pot a couple of times a year at parties etc, but I'll never let myself get addicted to anything. A few months ago I started noticing I would get a headache in the afternoon, if I hadn't had a bottle of coke. Caffeine withdrawal symptoms... I stopped, because addiction to anything (even caffeine) sucks. It's important to me that my will is stronger. I only wish my partner felt the same... :(
I'll just go off and cry now...

(and an ounce comes to about $100-150 depending who's selling and whatever apparantly...i've only come along on purchases and chipped in, i don't have the connections)

wow, you pay out the ass for it. It can be had for $80-$90. I feel sorry for you. :eek:

also, you body naturally releases THC, LSD in trace quantities and many other substances. That's how you cope with good and bad stresses; how you feel good about certain things, or how you can get pumped up for something.

Do you eat chocolate?

No no, we are not as... jolly as you in Germany. Worlds chocolate kings :) I wish I were there now.

Do you eat chocolate?
Mmmm... chocolate....

If that is a drug then I have done lots of it.

*thinks of a life without chocolate*

*shudders*

the bottom line is that (most) drugs are dangerous for you, but so is everything else you do in your daily life (cross streets, drive, climb stairs...). If you haven't experienced a high at least once and dont plan to, you're not only ignorant, but twice as retarted as the drug-user (especially if you're judging something that you've never given a chance)

i've never done drugs (illegal ones) and don't plan to. i don't feel the need too, i have better ways to entertain myself (that are also less expensive). in addition, most of the ppl that i know who do drugs are not the kind of people that i would look up to. some of them are quite interesting...but nothing i'd want to emulate.

wow, you pay out the ass for it. It can be had for $80-$90. I feel sorry for you. :eek:
i don't pay out the ass... i've never bought an entire ounce.

it coudl also have to do with all the recent busts in the area over the summer, that might have sent the price up a bit.

plus after I've done acid 40 times it really won't be so cool anymore.

You you use acid because its cool? my respect for you just plumetted

the bottom line is that (most) drugs are dangerous for you, but so is everything else you do in your daily life (cross streets, drive, climb stairs...). If you haven't experienced a high at least once and dont plan to, you're not only ignorant, but twice as retarted as the drug-user (especially if you're judging something that you've never given a chance)
I seem to see a flaw in your ever so brilliant logic, you admit that drugs are bad for you and then you call people who dont take them retarded.... Also after witnessing a friends sister give crack a try for the first time, im far from ignorant as she no longer recognizes her own family along with alot of other mental problems.

the bottom line is that (most) drugs are dangerous for you, but so is everything else you do in your daily life (cross streets, drive, climb stairs...). If you haven't experienced a high at least once and dont plan to, you're not only ignorant, but twice as retarted as the drug-user (especially if you're judging something that you've never given a chance)

yeah i really dont need to add to that daily list thanks :p

LSD is a natural substance. It is extracted from some mushroom. An austrian researcher found it in the '20s or '30s. So is it OK then? Extacy, GHB, PCP, and other ones were originally over-the-counter/ prescription drugs that anyone could get ahold of. So, whoever is against drugs that are illegal, what do you have to say about that? They weren't just legal, they were given to patients to treat their illnesses. It was because of their addictive nature that they were later banned.
Also, the Incas, Aztecs and other indian groups used to consume the coca plant (source of cocaine) as a stimulant/ appetite reducer. It had the pick-me-up effect that they needed to hunt, gather, climb mountains, or travel to attack enemies; much in the same effect as coffee, but better. There was never an incident of indians getting addicted to the substance. It was only until the Europeans exploited the substances, concentrated it, and smoked/snorted/inserted rectally, whatever that the drug became a problem.

i am pretty sure that herion starded as an over the counter drug, a "healthy" substitute for morphine.. not positive though

LOL. Whoops. $5 a gram shit. Let me rework the numbers

The way I look at it is this; 1/3 Canadians are doing pot at least once a month. (Or at least that’s how many are willing to admit it to a federal census board.) This is more than those who smoke tobacco, approx 24% in 2000. When I last smoked, admittedly more than a year ago, the price of marijuana for consumption purposes was $5/g when outdoor was in season. This comes up to $2,265/lbs. The wholesale price of tobacco right now is about $3-4/lbs. The cultivation of outdoor grown marijuana and tobacco plant is very similar so we can assume in an open market a company could charge that and be turning a good profit. (The tobacco companies aren’t poor by any stretch.) The average Canadian smoker consumes 17.4 cigarettes a day, at a population of 30 million, makes for 45,727,200,000 cigarettes a year. From my experience I used a gram of marijuana per joint, but we’ll half that for the sake of realism and argument. (I was an avid user, fatties over pinners.) .001lbs is a half of a gram. This would mean Canadians, by a conservative estimate, are consuming 45,727,200lbs of marijuana in a year.

At current street value this would make a $103,572,108,000 industry per year. At tobacco prices it would be about $160,045,200. So with all the normal benefits of forcing people to file income tax, creating jobs et cetera another opportunity arises. Because of certain agreements within the UN if marijuana was legalized certain governmental bodies are required to be in place. If the government took a role as sole wholesaler and retailer it could buy from the producer at $160,045,200/year and sell to the public at $103,572,108,000/year; thus turning a $103,412,062,800 profit, which could be spent on social programs, job creation, police et cetera. Not to mention the aforementioned money saved in the justice department.

There. That just sweetens my case though.

i am pretty sure that herion starded as an over the counter drug, a "healthy" substitute for morphine.. not positive though
Ah, thank you, those were the other ones.

i am pretty sure that herion starded as an over the counter drug, a "healthy" substitute for morphine.. not positive though

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Don't forget Bayer made chemical gases for WW2 use also. (or was it WW1?)

I'll tell you what catylized my verbal hostility, it was reading Ghargonia's condescending posts about how he's physically incapable of lawbreaking, and how those who break laws are "scum" and how he doesn't even speed or get parking tickets. No one is perfect, and when one claims to be it should make them the target of derision, because it is completely dishonest.

Further, some such people feel compelled to make judgements about others without all the facts, and feel no compunction about legislating the behavior of others who's actions they deem immoral. They cause great harm and pain both physical and psychological, but they refuse to accept responsibility for their actions, or even face the reality of their unintended consequences. They dismiss the suffering of others using epithets like "scum" and "junkie" and in the past these same sort of people used racial slurs to dismiss the humanity of the blacks, hispanics and Chinese who's labor provided so much of their wealth (In fact, the roots of the drug war are quite racist, starting with persecuting Chinese railworkers for using opium that Americans MADE and SOLD to the Chinese. Then moving to Mexican laborers and black jazz musicians who smoked weed, always giving the police an excuse to apprehend, search and detain minorities, even to this day).

Now, judgement is fine, we use our judgement to make decisions every day about what to do and who to deal with and what sort of risks to take. But the sort of judgement I find so offensive is the kind that lumps huge swaths of people into categories that deny them their identity and in the case of some legislation, their rights as well. You may say I'm generalizing about the people who disagree with me, but I would argue that I am reacting to the world they created by electing Bushes and Clintons who appoint Renos and Ashcrofts and their ilk. People whose ACTIONS speak for themselves, revealing a complete disregard for human dignity and liberty as well as contempt for the Constitution they have sworn to uphold. If they kept their noses out of my business, I wouldn't have anything to talk about. And it ain't just MY business either. More than 70% of the US population has used or still uses marijuana. When a law is ignored by the vast majority of the people, it should be repealed. The law should reflect, rather than dictate the moral order of society.

Sadly, our government is so corrupt, our police so dependent on forfeiture revenue and our polis so jaded and cynical that things don't change. This has REAL costs to decent people, human beings who lose good jobs and can't support their families, kids in school who loose their financial aid, people who's criminal record, though non-violent, prevents them from realizing their full potential. So yes, a smug and self-satisfied dismissal of these these people as "scum" unworthy of a tear, SHOULD engender an angry reaction. I don't seek to make the guy change his mind, I seek to make him feel deeply ashamed of having his position in the first place.

I have never done any illegal drug and never intend to do so.

The comparisons that some of the druggies are making between heroin and weed as opposed to, say, caffeine, are quite humorous.

Keep 'em comin, you aren't getting any smarter.

Or should I just take an eighth of a shroom to expand my mind?

What like cocaine, morphine, and alkaloids found in the nightshade family of plants?

Just because one only does natural drugs doesn't mean that he has done every natural drug.

I'm a vegetarian, but I haven't eaten every vegetable...

I have never done any illegal drug and never intend to do so.

The comparisons that some of the druggies are making between heroin and weed as opposed to, say, caffeine, are quite humorous.

Keep 'em comin, you aren't getting any smarter.

Or should I just take an eighth of a shroom to expand my mind?

Coming from "Beer-Chugging Germans," I have trouble giving you much respect. I think weed and beer are pretty much on level playing field themselves.

Don't forget Bayer made chemical gases for WW2 use also. (or was it WW1?)

http://www.rense.com/general15/Anth.htm

guess your right - says that bayer helped fund the third reich and might have something to do with the whole anthrax scare.. of course it says that neo-nazis helped in the sep.11 attacks, so theres a good chance this could be wrong... funny none the less

this one was from some huge page, so i just cut out the part about the killing
One of the gases used in Vietnam was developed at the Bayer research centre in West Germany by Dr. Wolfgang Wirth, Dr. Gerhard Schrader and Dr. Otto Ambros - all of whom were engaged in chemical and biological research for the Nazis. Schrader developed the Zyklon B gas for the Nazi concentration camps. Wirth developed the Tabun nerve gas. The Badische Anilin und Soda-Fabrik company (BASF), through its US subsidiaries and Farbwerke Hoechst AG, was also involved in Vietnam.
it goes on to talk about some really nasty weapons, and what they did. heres the link if you care
here (http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2004%20opinions/Jan/4o/Trading%20weapons%20of%20mass%20destruction%20with%20enemies%20Nothing%20new%20By%20Brian%20Mitchell .htm)
just ctrl+f and search for bayer

and of course there is this:
http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/profiles/bayer/bayer5.htm

There is an ever so slight difference between those and things like heroin.
Caffeine *is* addictive...
Although not as much as heroin, definately.

Caffeine withdrawal isn't much fun though.
:p

Caffeine *is* addictive...
Although not as much as heroin, definately.

Caffeine withdrawal isn't much fun though.
:p
I'll tell you what... I decided to stop drinking coffee yesterday, as I'd read that it might be a major factor in my inability to sleep properly at night (I sleep for 4 hours, maybe 5) and my admittedly atrocious memory. And I've not touched the stuff since and now my head feels like it's full of cotton wool, and I actually nodded off watching TV with my son this afternoon. For a full 40 minutes. I've not done that since he was a screaming babby! But I have been a bit snappier with him (and idiot road users) than I normally would be, and it's quite obvious that my body is "missing something".

Still feel like shit in the morning though. :(

oh, and to add to the list of drugs i take, i just bought some cough syrup. damn colds. :(
Mmm, dextromethorphan...

I like to sniff benzene.

I'll tell you what... I decided to stop drinking coffee yesterday, as I'd read that it might be a major factor in my inability to sleep properly at night (I sleep for 4 hours, maybe 5) and my admittedly atrocious memory. And I've not touched the stuff since and now my head feels like it's full of cotton wool, and I actually nodded off watching TV with my son this afternoon. For a full 40 minutes. I've not done that since he was a screaming babby! But I have been a bit snappier with him (and idiot road users) than I normally would be, and it's quite obvious that my body is "missing something".

Still feel like shit in the morning though. :(

Yeah, I get hooked on caffeine very quickly... It only takes two weeks or so of use before I get withdrawal if I try to stop. I often need the caffeine to keep going due to my sleep problems... But the caffeine or the withdrawal, whichever is in effect, hurts my ability to sleep. Go figure.

Can't they come up with something less addictive to wake me up in the morning?
;)

Yeah, I get hooked on caffeine very quickly... It only takes two weeks or so of use before I get withdrawal if I try to stop. I often need the caffeine to keep going due to my sleep problems... But the caffeine or the withdrawal, whichever is in effect, hurts my ability to sleep. Go figure.

Can't they come up with something less addictive to wake me up in the morning?
;)
I heard that caffeine attracts woodland creatures, like squirrels to cities and other such places. This is a serious problem as the creatures put themselves in danger. They may inhale polluted air, or witness a violent death which could cause mental trauma. Or a hooker could brush past them quite quickly. This will no doubt endanger our beautiful woodland friends who have brought us so much over the years, for example television. And the lamp. In conclusion, ban coffee and other caffeine drinks. The madness stops here.

I heard that caffeine attracts woodland creatures, like squirrels to cities and other such places. This is a serious problem as the creatures put themselves in danger. They may inhale polluted air, or witness a violent death which could cause mental trauma. Or a hooker could brush past them quite quickly. This will no doubt endanger our beautiful woodland friends who have brought us so much over the years, for example television. And the lamp. In conclusion, ban coffee and other caffeine drinks. The madness stops here.
Aww...
But I'm so *good* at going mad!

Aww...
But I'm so *good* at going mad!
Sorry i felt i was overdue for a spurt.

Sorry i felt i was overdue for a spurt.
We should all spurt together!
Then everybody will be blissfully, blissfully, happy.
(oh hell, I can't remember where I stole that line from...)

We should all spurt together!
Then everybody will be blissfully, blissfully, happy.
(oh hell, I can't remember where I stole that line from...)
You sir, are an ignoramus. Only kidding you're not that smart. Only kidding you're not that smart. Only kidding.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/abaddon03/bayerad.gif
my uncle collects coke memorobilia and there's this thing he has that's advocating coca-cola as a medicine due to the coccaine in it. it even ahs dosages...

Weed. Hash. And I did mushrooms once. I don't think I'll take them again.

Can't they come up with something less addictive to wake me up in the morning?
;)
apple jiuce.

it's more effective for waking you up than caffiene too. so munch on a couple apples on the way out the door and viola.