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Note to save my butt from Mods - This is not a cybersexxxing thread. If it turns that way, I wasn't involved.

I've been noticing lately that most christian/religious groups have one thing in common - the belief that sex and sexuality are evil. My school just passed a policy that says that the only acceptable sex-ed is abstinance, and the FCC has gone frickin' bonkers about sex scenes, sexual inuendos, things that could be taken as the above and nudity in the media. All of this seems to come out of religious-based pro-family groups. It seems there are far more important issues one could be harping on...
So it's led me to question why so many people think sex is an evil.

The Catholic Church, and most of the Protestant denominations and most of their respective followers believe that sexuality is evil and/or wrong and/or inappropriate. So I wanted to find out if anyone can put up a good arguement one way or the other for sex. Hopefully we can stimulate some good debate here.

Sex is fine as long as it isn't used for excessive procreation. We already have more than enough humans around. Still, sex relaxes people, improves relationships, and makes life much much more tolerable.

Because it is evil. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise, even if they have a sound argument and provide you with concrete evidence that it isn't evil. ;)
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By the way, where do you live? Your school actually won't teach anything other than abstinence?

Because it is evil. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise, even if they have a sound argument and provide you with concrete evidence that it isn't evil. ;)
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By the way, where do you live? Your school actually won't teach anything other than abstinence?
thats getting to be alot of the schools, dumping the shitty sex ed program and implementing a abstienence ed program thats 10x shittier

Note to save my butt from Mods - This is not a cybersexxxing thread. If it turns that way, I wasn't involved.

I've been noticing lately that most christian/religious groups have one thing in common - the belief that sex and sexuality are evil. My school just passed a policy that says that the only acceptable sex-ed is abstinance, and the FCC has gone frickin' bonkers about sex scenes, sexual inuendos, things that could be taken as the above and nudity in the media. All of this seems to come out of religious-based pro-family groups. It seems there are far more important issues one could be harping on...
So it's led me to question why so many people think sex is an evil.

The Catholic Church, and most of the Protestant denominations and most of their respective followers believe that sexuality is evil and/or wrong and/or inappropriate. So I wanted to find out if anyone can put up a good arguement one way or the other for sex. Hopefully we can stimulate some good debate here.

Actually, I know of very few Christian denominations who truly think sex is "evil." Most of those who claim Christians believe sex to be "evil" are picking up on are two things which are true:

1. Christians are taught that sex is a powerful drive and should be confined to married couples to prevent the true "evils" of fatherless children, abandoned women, ruined lives, etc.

2. Christians in general believe that sex can give rise to other evils ( see above ).

I no longer consider myself to be a Christian in the modern, religious sense of the term, but I do think those who so consider themselves should at least be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this sort of issue. If we're going to criticize a particular faith, at the very least we should know what they believe before doing so, yes? :)

Because it is evil. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise, even if they have a sound argument and provide you with concrete evidence that it isn't evil. ;)
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By the way, where do you live? Your school actually won't teach anything other than abstinence?

It's true man. When we were doing a sociology project on marriage and family, my teacher actually had to make a disclaimer that basically said our fake babies were brought by the stork.

I live in North Carolina.

Because while horrific deplorable violent wars are okay, sex is fundamentally damaging to society.

Something is wrong with the moral standards of a nation when the ruling bodies feel that anyone over the age of 13 can watch a person get murdered in any of a variety of ways in a movie, but seeing an exposed nipple is too grotesque for their delicate sensitivites.....

Note to save my butt from Mods - This is not a cybersexxxing thread. If it turns that way, I wasn't involved.

I've been noticing lately that most christian/religious groups have one thing in common - the belief that sex and sexuality are evil. My school just passed a policy that says that the only acceptable sex-ed is abstinance, and the FCC has gone frickin' bonkers about sex scenes, sexual inuendos, things that could be taken as the above and nudity in the media. All of this seems to come out of religious-based pro-family groups. It seems there are far more important issues one could be harping on...
So it's led me to question why so many people think sex is an evil.

The Catholic Church, and most of the Protestant denominations and most of their respective followers believe that sexuality is evil and/or wrong and/or inappropriate. So I wanted to find out if anyone can put up a good arguement one way or the other for sex. Hopefully we can stimulate some good debate here.

From a devoutly Christian perspective, I don't believe that sex is wrong. It was a God given blessing and practicing sexuallity within marriage is not only condoned but encouraged Biblically, See Song of Solomon, Eccl. 9, Proverbs 5 & 31, and 1 Cor. 7

Something is wrong with the moral standards of a nation when the ruling bodies feel that anyone over the age of 13 can watch a person get murdered in any of a variety of ways in a movie, but seeing an exposed nipple is too grotesque for their delicate sensitivites.....

But if there's violence in a video game, IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!

Actually, I know of very few Christian denominations who truly think sex is "evil." Most of those who claim Christians believe sex to be "evil" are picking up on are two things which are true:

1. Christians are taught that sex is a powerful drive and should be confined to married couples to prevent the true "evils" of fatherless children, abandoned women, ruined lives, etc.

2. Christians in general believe that sex can give rise to other evils ( see above ).

I no longer consider myself to be a Christian in the modern, religious sense of the term, but I do think those who so consider themselves should at least be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this sort of issue. If we're going to criticize a particular faith, at the very least we should know what they believe before doing so, yes? :)

Well, i stayed away from accusations, and my experiences are based mostly in Catholic dogma, based on the writings of St. Augustine i believe, who's teachings that sex for anything other than procreation is evil made thier way into the Catholic Canon.

Oh, i'm not criticising, I'm asking for a good argument. Criticism comes later :D

EDIT : Yep, it's Augustine, he tells us that sexual desire and passion are innately evil, one should abstain and remain celebite whenever possible, and sex is ONLY for procreation. Period.

If you are having sex with lots of random people then you are not being very faithful.

If you actually care then it's your loss (or gain).

Well, i stayed away from accusations, and my experiences are based mostly in Catholic dogma, based on the writings of St. Augustine i believe, who's teachings that sex for anything other than procreation is evil made thier way into the Catholic Canon.

Of course, Augustine also believed that babies are sinning when they cry for food, so I don't put much stock in that.

Personally, I believe that sex has many purposes. It is meant for procreation, yes, but that is a small part. The act is also meant to bind two loving, committed people closer together in their relationship. I believe that, under God, two people who have sex are married and those who have multiple partners at the same time are adulterers.

That said, I know that these are my own personal beliefs and would uphold the right of anyone who discloses the truth about their relationship to all partners involved to have a different view of things.

And the whole "Oh my God! My child saw a nipple! He's going to become a sex fiend and go to Hell!" mentality is just plain silly. There would be much less sexual violence and wanton sex if we didn't put such a taboo on talking about it.

And as for the person who said their high school will now teach abstinence only, get ready to watch teen pregnancy rates at your school skyrocket.

Sex is fine as long as it isn't used for excessive procreation. We already have more than enough humans around. Still, sex relaxes people, improves relationships, and makes life much much more tolerable.

You forgot to add that sex often temporarily relieves cramps for menstruating females.

Well, i stayed away from accusations, and my experiences are based mostly in Catholic dogma, based on the writings of St. Augustine i believe, who's teachings that sex for anything other than procreation is evil made thier way into the Catholic Canon.

Oh, i'm not criticising, I'm asking for a good argument. Criticism comes later :D

EDIT : Yep, it's Augustine, he tells us that sexual desire and passion are innately evil, one should abstain and remain celebite whenever possible, and sex is ONLY for procreation. Period.
Augustine was a libertine in his younger years and "reformed" much later in life. Many of his theses are, in my own humble opinion, at least "extra-biblical," and perhaps even "un-biblical."

First of all, sex is not fundamentally evil. Good is fundamentally evil.

Seriously. Listen to good people and you'll know I'm right.

Second,most of the arguments that sex is bad for society come from the fact that people insist on having sex with people they know. It is very difficult to both see someone as a person whose feelings are important and as a sex object. That's where abuse comes from. The only solution is to have sex with people you barely know and only have sex with friends/loved ones if you know the relationship won't suffer.

Sex isn't evil! It's fun, damnit!

Sex is by no means evil. In fact I'd go as far as to say not only is it "ok", it's actually good. It's damn good fun, it ensures procreation of the species, and by absteining from it we're bound to just be damaged by our pent up sexual desires. Sex is good.

I voted yes, because it's definitely wrong for me. Sex between two people married to each other is fine, and in fact, a good thing, for some of the reasons aforementioned in this thread by others (strengthening relationships, et c.). I, however, am not married, and thus it would be wrong for me to have sex with anyone.

Note to save my butt from Mods - This is not a cybersexxxing thread. If it turns that way, I wasn't involved.

I've been noticing lately that most christian/religious groups have one thing in common - the belief that sex and sexuality are evil. My school just passed a policy that says that the only acceptable sex-ed is abstinance, and the FCC has gone frickin' bonkers about sex scenes, sexual inuendos, things that could be taken as the above and nudity in the media. All of this seems to come out of religious-based pro-family groups. It seems there are far more important issues one could be harping on...
So it's led me to question why so many people think sex is an evil.

The Catholic Church, and most of the Protestant denominations and most of their respective followers believe that sexuality is evil and/or wrong and/or inappropriate. So I wanted to find out if anyone can put up a good arguement one way or the other for sex. Hopefully we can stimulate some good debate here.

I find it ironic that the "family" groups are so uppity about sex. Where do ya think babies come from?

Eastern Skae: Well, I must say, you don't know what you're missing.

What's up with sex?

Up with ..

Up..

nevermind..

I voted yes, because it's definitely wrong for me. Sex between two people married to each other is fine, and in fact, a good thing, for some of the reasons aforementioned in this thread by others (strengthening relationships, et c.). I, however, am not married, and thus it would be wrong for me to have sex with anyone.

Even yourself?

I voted yes, because it's definitely wrong for me. Sex between two people married to each other is fine, and in fact, a good thing, for some of the reasons aforementioned in this thread by others (strengthening relationships, et c.). I, however, am not married, and thus it would be wrong for me to have sex with anyone.

Is sex with yourself wrong in your opinion? Masturbation doesn't involve anybody else. Serious question.

Well I too am not Christian in any sense so I really do not know if my opinion would matter much at all... but to limit what is an inherent drive... that is evil... to teach people that those urges that are hard wired into us are wrong bothers me a great deal. Not to say we should just sleep with whomever, sex is definately better when in a committed relationship.. but sex between friends for fun is great too! One should always respect their body especially now a days... but to cut yourself off from one of that nicest of human experiences you could have seems just silly....

Eastern Skae: Well, I must say, you don't know what you're missing.and you don't know what you're missing, there's no 'right' answer to this question...

I don't know what I'm missing by not having sex? But I know what non-sex is like from all the times I'm not having sex.

You forgot to add that sex often temporarily relieves cramps for menstruating females.

Thanks I was eating when I read that.

I think it's great that the radical religious right oppose sex. It means they won't breed any more of their kind

I think it's great that the radical religious right oppose sex. It means they won't breed any more of their kind

On a similar note, surely evolution would have bred out a tendancy towards abstinence long ago? It's not a particularly great tactic for procreation.

On a similar note, surely evolution would have bred out a tendancy towards abstinence long ago? It's not a particularly great tactic for procreation.
That's the downside to intelligence. It makes you really fucking (or, in this case, not fucking) stupid.

Sex is sex is sex. If we weren't suppose to do it, we wouldn't be doing it.

By the way, where do you live? Your school actually won't teach anything other than abstinence?
He probably lives somewhere that the government thumps the Bible so hard that it's pulp.

Just to reply to the First post, the author's. My school also teaches that the only "safe sex" is no sex at all. Actually, I have no problem with that, I'm just telling you the facts. Abstinance seems to be the "big thing" to do these days.

Because while horrific deplorable violent wars are okay, sex is fundamentally damaging to society.
Something is wrong with the moral standards of a nation when the ruling bodies feel that anyone over the age of 13 can watch a person get murdered in any of a variety of ways in a movie, but seeing an exposed nipple is too grotesque for their delicate sensitivites.....
Yeah, an American friend of mine summed up the US mindset:

"Good violence and evil sex."

I think it's great that the radical religious right oppose sex. It means they won't breed any more of their kind
Political opinions are not hereditary, you know. Many children have different, often opposite viewpoints from theior parents.

Just to reply to the First post, the author's. My school also teaches that the only "safe sex" is no sex at all. Actually, I have no problem with that, I'm just telling you the facts. Abstinance seems to be the "big thing" to do these days.

Well, it is the safest way not to get STD's, but my problem w/it is that people are gonna have sex, and unless sexual safetly and health is taught, people can get hurt. The most important thing in Sex-ed should be making people aware, and teaching them how to be safe while recognising that the sex drive isn't just gonna go away.

I also don't believe in using schools to teach moral values. I want the facts, I'll make my own decision.

Edit : Whoa, 91 to 2.

My school also teaches that the only "safe sex" is no sex at all.
Masturbation?

And boobies, too. What's wrong with them? :(

Masturbation?

Semen may hit your eye at such a velocity, that it would blow your head off.

Semen may hit your eye at such a velocity, that it would blow your head off.

LMFAO! Also, if that doesn't happen, it will still suck to be blind.

Okay,
very nice semen joke...
Sex is not wrong, most Christians don't believe it to be wrong either (I'm not a Christian, but my girlfriend is).
In Norway we have sex-ed, and basically we have it in elementary and junior high, and possibly sometimes you are unlucky enough to once again have to listen to something you've been taught at least 10 times already in senior high (we have a different school system, but using the American system for simpler reference), but is still quite useful (Of course the sex-ed is kind of different in elementary than it is in junior high and senior high).

The problems about sex isn't sex in itself, but how it is practiced.
One thing, it's very addictive, if you don't have it often you won't want it as much, if you do have it a lot you'll just want more (same goes for masturbation),
which can lead to some kind of twisting of your mind, all depending on what your sexual desires are and such (and this is where sex-ed is useful, by letting people know about sex, people won't get these sick, twisted sexual desires, but of course, that isn't too easy to determine if it will help or not, but I believe it will (then of course we have to define what is sick. Is bondage sick if both parts want it? I think it is, but someone who is into it won't, so it's subjective)), of course it could just lead to more sex, or masturbation, or the watching of a lot of pornography or what-not.

So well, sex can lead to evil, but in itself is not evil...
Good can also lead to evil, but is in itself not evil...
Is evil with good intentions evil?

One can ask a lot of things, but to claim that the most natural thing to all creatures that have genitalia is evil, is stupid.
Someone said something about it relaxing people, well, that's due to a hormone that is distributed to your system when you have an orgasm, a woman won't react to it the same way though, as they have more of the hormone at any given time, and therefore are less likely to need sleep after sex.
Another thing is that it can actually be bad for men to ejaculate, due to loss of a lot of alcalic substances that your body needs (because of the acidic, uhm, juices in a vagina it is required for the sperm cells to survive in the hazardous environment, so you lose a lot of salts that the body needs, of course, it's not like you'll die from the loss, but that also is an explanation of why it can be quite exhausting to have sex)..

Well, I keep rambling on about needless to know things, so I'm going to stop.
I hope I didn't bore to many of you with idiotic facts and non-facts... ;)

PS.
Be careful not to shoot that semen in your eye, remember to aim...

As a former Catholic, I must correct the thread-starter. The Catholic Church does not dogmatically teach that sex is evil or that enjoying ses is evil (or that crying babies are sinning). Catholic dogma states that sex must have the potential for procreation because this is its designed purpose, and preventing procreation during sex allows people to have enough sex that they becom psychologically addicted. The second part is the logical reason -- the Church usually likes to explain things from both a divinely inspired perspective, and Jesuit priests (or other teaching orders) then explain it in a more understandable human perspective.

sex is natural.

there's nothing wrong with it anymore than there's something wrong with eating.

You forgot to add that sex often temporarily relieves cramps for menstruating females.
Thanks for the tip!
And are you serious - some schools don't teach students about contraception? We had four years of the relative risks of different methods of conraception, STD information and treatment, as well as advice from our teachers. Also, we were watching naked women cavort around on screen in French movies for year 8 French.

Another thing is that it can actually be bad for men to ejaculate, due to loss of a lot of alcalic substances that your body needs (because of the acidic, uhm, juices in a vagina it is required for the sperm cells to survive in the hazardous environment, so you lose a lot of salts that the body needs, of course, it's not like you'll die from the loss, but that also is an explanation of why it can be quite exhausting to have sex).
Damn! And here I always thought that exhaustion was due to all the physical exertion, different positions, etc. :D

Not to mention the sore muscles afterwards. :D

wtf? it's good for men to ejaculate regularly. it decreases the risk f prostate cancer.

I personally believe that any sexual act between consenting adults is normal and natural. There are many things related to sex that i wouldn't do, but that doesn't mean that other people shouldn't be allowed to.

I believe sex is wrong, outside of marriage.

thats getting to be alot of the schools, dumping the shitty sex ed program and implementing a abstienence ed program thats 10x shittier

At least it's better than the "Gays are evil and they spread AIDS!" thing that was going on before.

Wait, who am I kidding?
No sex?
Damn.
:(

Honestly, I don't know what people have against it. I asked, once for several opinions about the reasons for this belief from friends/parents/teachers, and here's what I got.

1) Well, it's private. Sex is among the most intimate things a person can do, and so showing it is not a thing that many feel comfortable with. As for sex being evil, it's that it is an earthly desire/thing/activity, and Christians (among others) are trying to be beyond such things. It's all about rising above the carnal stuff.

2) It's not evil, so long as it's between married people. It's best to save yourself the 'right one', so that you can make it even more special between the two of you.

3) Sex is the reason that Adam and Eve were thrown out of the Garden of Eden. (Well, it was represented by Eve losing her virginity via apple O_o). God pretty much comes out and says that sex is a no-no, but once you've done it, you have to keep doing it if you want to continue as a species, because after being booted from the Garden, you're gonna die. So have sex, but know that it's a punishment.

4) "What? Sex? Evil? Bullshit! It's awesome, man!"-- A friend.

4) "What? Sex? Evil? Bullshit! It's awesome, man!"-- A friend.

My response would be like this:
"Teehee. He said 'sex'.
OOH! Hey look, a chipmunk!"
Go inability to concentrate! Yeeeah!


"Wanna lick my eyeball?"
-Marlie, from Road Waffles 2
(EVERYBODY should read this webcomic.)

It's just a causulty in the crushing of the rest of our free speech.

Yay for sex. When i get that feelin, I want sexual healin.

So have sex, but know that it's a punishment.Sex = punishment ... it's almost enough to make me believe in a god - a friendly, benevolent god who really does love everyone.

Sex = punishment? I know a lady who does that, but it costs extra.

wtf? it's good for men to ejaculate regularly. it decreases the risk f prostate cancer.

Yes, it's like wine...
It may be good for your heart, but it's bad for your brain, liver and kidneys...
Even a single glass of wine a day or even a week has been proven to be bad for you in recent research...

The thing about losing the salts, it's really not that bad for you, it's not like it will kill you, it's only an explanation (along with the hormone (can't remember its name)) for the excess exhaustion from having sex...
Sure, the pure physical act will exhaust you, but not in the way that you are exhausted from sex...
I wasn't trying to scare people from having orgasms (heck, if it was dangerous I'd probably have committed suicide 6 years ago already)...
It's just that I'm a querulous bastard, and I'll always take all sides, and annoy everyone...
It's simply my nature...
Still I'm well-liked for unknown reasons (not once have I understood why, nor has anyone been able to give an explanation of why, guess it's just one of those great mysteries). ;)

Yes, it's like wine...
It may be good for your heart, but it's bad for your brain, liver and kidneys...
Even a single glass of wine a day or even a week has been proven to be bad for you in recent research...

The thing about losing the salts, it's really not that bad for you, it's not like it will kill you, it's only an explanation (along with the hormone (can't remember its name)) for the excess exhaustion from having sex...


LOL, you my friend, are a fool of the highest calibur, as i remember from my extensive sex-ed, it is normal, and HEALTHY to masturbate/have sex, as it clears the ureathra, thus stopping it from blocking up. Yes, i do realise that you lose whatever protien (what sperm is made of) and salt (which is probably in the semen) but that is no concern compared to the plus of keeping your ureathra clean and clear. So keep up with the good sex ppls.

Can you also please cite? boring when you start making up things...

The problems about sex isn't sex in itself, but how it is practiced.
One thing, it's very addictive, if you don't have it often you won't want it as much, if you do have it a lot you'll just want more (same goes for masturbation),

Oh I don't know, more than a couple of times in an hour and it's just too sore to go on! ;)

which can lead to some kind of twisting of your mind, all depending on what your sexual desires are and such (and this is where sex-ed is useful, by letting people know about sex, people won't get these sick, twisted sexual desires, but of course, that isn't too easy to determine if it will help or not, but I believe it will (then of course we have to define what is sick. Is bondage sick if both parts want it? I think it is, but someone who is into it won't, so it's subjective)), of course it could just lead to more sex, or masturbation, or the watching of a lot of pornography or what-not.

Not quite. Since sexuality is such a basic and primal part of the human psyche, so are sexual abnormalities/fetishes/whatever. The point of sex-ed is that it teaches kids/teenagers that sex is not a bad thing, and strategies to keep it safe (ie contraception, STD prevention, etc.).

Btw, bondage is in no way sick or depraved, as long as both (all?) parties consent to it. As long as you keep it private and it doesn't hurt anyone, there's no such thing as bad sex.

Someone said something about it relaxing people, well, that's due to a hormone that is distributed to your system when you have an orgasm, a woman won't react to it the same way though, as they have more of the hormone at any given time, and therefore are less likely to need sleep after sex.

Well, kind of. Endorphins are released into your brain after/during sex, which accounts for the natural anti-depressant effect that a good root has. Also an issue is physical exhertion. But did you know that whether or not you fall asleep after sex isn't necessarily dependant on your gender?

Another thing is that it can actually be bad for men to ejaculate, due to loss of a lot of alcalic substances that your body needs (because of the acidic, uhm, juices in a vagina it is required for the sperm cells to survive in the hazardous environment, so you lose a lot of salts that the body needs, of course, it's not like you'll die from the loss, but that also is an explanation of why it can be quite exhausting to have sex)..

Bullshit. Utter, unmitigated bullshit. Let's think about this one - how much semen do you spurt out every time you blow? Probably about a spoonful. There's no way that enough "alcalic substances" could be lost to cause you any worry. I hope this isn't the kind of sex-ed they teach in your schools.

Thanks for the tip!
And are you serious - some schools don't teach students about contraception? We had four years of the relative risks of different methods of conraception, STD information and treatment, as well as advice from our teachers. Also, we were watching naked women cavort around on screen in French movies for year 8 French.

Yeah, Australian sex-ed is apparently quite forward compared to a lot of "modernised" countries.

One of the funniest memories I have of school consists of my friends running around outside a year 9 "Life skills" class smacking each other with the big purple dildos they were supposed to be practising putting condoms on. :D

First of all, I didn't read every single post here so I might be echoeing what someone else has said but well, I thought I'd say it anyway, just in case.

It should be known that I am a Christian and have been for a number of years. I don't see sex as evil and I don't know anyone who does.

(in the Christian belief)Sex is A god-given gift. God made sex for procreation and for the physical union of two people, those people being a man and his wife. It can't be evil because we didn't create it, God did. It's desirable and we have high sex drives because that's the way God made it and made us. He made it to be something we desire but he put the condition that in must only be within marriage on it, that way when we marry, we really appreciate that wedding night because it's like nothing we've ever experienced before

First of all, I didn't read every single post here so I might be echoeing what someone else has said but well, I thought I'd say it anyway, just in case.

It should be known that I am a Christian and have been for a number of years. I don't see sex as evil and I don't know anyone who does.

(in the Christian belief)Sex is A god-given gift. God made sex for procreation and for the physical union of two people, those people being a man and his wife. It can't be evil because we didn't create it, God did. It's desirable and we have high sex drives because that's the way God made it and made us. He made it to be something we desire but he put the condition that in must only be within marriage on it, that way when we marry, we really appreciate that wedding night because it's like nothing we've ever experienced before

If it's really nothing you've ever experienced before, your wedding night will be about 55 seconds long, and uncomfortable for both of you. I'm dead serious when I say that's no way to remember the first night of a marriage - although I respect your religious reasons for it.

of course, i agree with the majority opinion: sex is healthy, etc.
just wanted to share an article from i think last month?
since sex-ed in school was brought up a few times...(can't find the original article i had read but this one sort of sums up what it was)


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041213/cgm032_1.html

As an agnostic, I don't subscribe to any religion based restictions on sex. Like many fun Adult recreational activities, it should be practiced responsibly. I mean not just 'safe sex' physically but with resposibility for you and your partners emotional well being. Not that I have a problem with occasional one night stands, but there is something emotionally stunted about someone who does that only. As far as Christianity saying sex is evil, most modern Christians don't really believe it is. But it seems to me that in general there is an undertone to most church teachings that sex, even in marraige, is not really a good thing. Was it St. Augustine that said "Better to marry than to burn."? Saying that abstinence is best but procreative sex within marraige is the next best thing. Church fathers even dicouraged sex within marraige if the woman could not have a child from it. After menopause, during pregnancy or menstration it was a no-no. I think ANY sex between consenting adults should be legal, though not neccessarily something I'd be interested in. :fluffle:

Note to save my butt from Mods - This is not a cybersexxxing thread. If it turns that way, I wasn't involved.

I've been noticing lately that most christian/religious groups have one thing in common - the belief that sex and sexuality are evil. My school just passed a policy that says that the only acceptable sex-ed is abstinance, and the FCC has gone frickin' bonkers about sex scenes, sexual inuendos, things that could be taken as the above and nudity in the media. All of this seems to come out of religious-based pro-family groups. It seems there are far more important issues one could be harping on...
So it's led me to question why so many people think sex is an evil.

The Catholic Church, and most of the Protestant denominations and most of their respective followers believe that sexuality is evil and/or wrong and/or inappropriate. So I wanted to find out if anyone can put up a good arguement one way or the other for sex. Hopefully we can stimulate some good debate here.

They belive that sex/sexuality in (or out of) certain situations is wrong. Like a almost universal belief is that sex outside of marrige is wrong.

From a devoutly Christian perspective, I don't believe that sex is wrong. It was a God given blessing and practicing sexuallity within marriage is not only condoned but encouraged Biblically, See Song of Solomon, Eccl. 9, Proverbs 5 & 31, and 1 Cor. 7
Yeeeeup. *Within* marriage. Notice that this stuff comes out of the same book that promotes the keeping of slaves, corporal punishment of wives and children, and stoning to death as punishment for adultery? Whenever people tell me that the Holy Bible says that my being a fag is wrong, I just tell them to go slaughter a cow to God like the Bible tells them to.

I voted yes, because it's definitely wrong for me. Sex between two people married to each other is fine, and in fact, a good thing, for some of the reasons aforementioned in this thread by others (strengthening relationships, et c.). I, however, am not married, and thus it would be wrong for me to have sex with anyone.
Why?

Thanks I was eating when I read that.

What's so gross about women's bodies? Most men seem to find them quite attractive.

The Catholic Church, and most of the Protestant denominations and most of their respective followers believe that sexuality is evil and/or wrong and/or inappropriate. So I wanted to find out if anyone can put up a good arguement one way or the other for sex. Hopefully we can stimulate some good debate here.

I'm not sure where you get your information. And I'm not trying to make you sound ignorant. But the Christian faith puts forth the fact that sex is good, and should be undertaken whenever you want :). Paul wrote in his letters that you're only to marry if you burn with passion (ie, you have a sex drive) but no where in the Bible does it say that sex is evil. In fact it puts forth the opposite fact in Genesis where he tells both animals and mankind to be fruitful and multiply. Now sexual immorality (premarital sex, homosexual sex, beastiality, etc) is bashed because that... is sin.

You can't blanketly say that well, since it bashes some sex that means it's against all sex. That's just not true. Just like the Biblical bashing of alcohol abuse and idolization. There's nothing wrong with a glass of wine or learning about celebrities, but when you drink 3 drinks every day, or worship the ground that Britney Spears walks on and try to emulate her every action, you've taken it too far :-p

And boobies, too. What's wrong with them? :(
Indeed. I happen to find breasts quite beautiful - what's wrong with liking them, liking to see them, and not being ashamed about it? They're works of art, damn it!

Yeeeeup. *Within* marriage. Notice that this stuff comes out of the same book that promotes the keeping of slaves, corporal punishment of wives and children, and stoning to death as punishment for adultery? Whenever people tell me that the Holy Bible says that my being a fag is wrong, I just tell them to go slaughter a cow to God like the Bible tells them to.
Have you ever read the entire Bible? or do you only pick and choose from the Old Testament law which Jesus fulfilled for us when he sacrificed himself on the cross?

Of course it's evil.
Anything that's that good must be evil :fluffle:

We seem to have a clear majority.

Yes indeed.
It's all about the numbers folks.

Have you ever read the entire Bible? or do you only pick and choose from the Old Testament law which Jesus fulfilled for us when he sacrificed himself on the cross?
Actually, yes, I have, in two English modern versions (old King James and New American Standard), in the Pesshite High Gothic translation, and in the Old Latin Standard version. I may find the Bible alternately fascinating, delightful, wisdom-containing, disgusting, revolting, brain-killing and vomit-inducing, but at least I'm educated about it.

How can sex be innately evil? It's what keeps organisms in existence. Dogmatic biases or not, sex is life.

If it was evil, then that would mean that life shouldn't exist, and the only just thing to do is to go extinct. ...but if we were all extinct, then there would be nothing left to judge (so how is that just?). That would be saying God (if you're actually religious) hates us and doesn't want to hear us complain anymore.

Indeed. I happen to find breasts quite beautiful - what's wrong with liking them, liking to see them, and not being ashamed about it? They're works of art, damn it!
Mine are :p
And we have the majority, folks. UN Resolution #86: Sex is Not Evil, here we come.

Ah. I have the beginnings of an argument.

Axioms:
1. Assume sex is in fact innately evil.
2. Assume that there is a God.
3. Assume s/e he has our best interests at heart.

Facts:
1. Species die out without reproduction, which requires sex.
2. Sex is evil! God, in her/his infinite benevolence, allows us to continue practising this sordidly plesasurable act.
3. We don't become extinct, but we perpetuate evil.
4. God allows this to happen, despite having our best interests at heart ...
and repeat.

Possible Conclusions:
1. God does NOT have our best interests at heart.
4. God loves us too much to lead us onto the right path.
2. There is no God.
3. Sex is not evil.

Choose whichever one you will ...

Mine are :p
And we have the majority, folks. UN Resolution #86: Sex is Not Evil, here we come.
Amen, sister!

You've never seen them :p
You think they'll pass my resolution?

You think they'll pass my resolution?

I don't even think it will be necissary to put it to a vote... 270+ to 3 say tat it isnt evil in this thread alone. Bring it to the wider community... Im sure it will be passed witha landslide. But with it, we may need to draw up some new measures to ensure that Minors are NOT having sex before the legal age. Restrictions have to be made if we are all going to say "Sex is not evil", after all, look at what the media does today with it's "Sex scandals" we can't have the ruling minds of the world go about preaching something like that without limitations, or we'll have some schools that teach Abstinance Only Sex-Ed programs ;)

At least, that's what the Nation of Neogamers has to say about it.

I don't mean to sound like an advertisement, but it would take too long explaining it.

I would rather Dan Brown spare me the responcibility by summarizing it for you.

Read the Da Vinci Code.

Read it. Still making up my mind, but admit it's a fascinating idea.

I don't mean to sound like an advertisement, but it would take too long explaining it.

I would rather Dan Brown spare me the responcibility by summarizing it for you.

Read the Da Vinci Code.

Dan Brown is to real history what Michael Crichton is to real science.

Agreed. Or perhaps what John Grisham is to lawyers.