NationStates Jolt Archive


Post-birth Abortions!

Bunglejinx
03-01-2005, 03:59
It's a women's right!! We need to have post birth abortions to reduce population, stabilize lives & families and to use the babies for stem cell research!!!
Lzrd
03-01-2005, 04:00
Screw stem cells, let's make babies a new culinary experience!
You might think I'm kidding.
I'm not.
Gaeltach
03-01-2005, 04:01
It's a women's right!! We need to have post birth abortions to reduce population, stabilize lives & families and to use the babies for stem cell research!!!
If a woman chooses to carry a baby to full term, why not just give it up for adoption? That way it's not murder.
Gaeltach
03-01-2005, 04:01
Screw stem cells, let's make babies a new culinary experience!
You might think I'm kidding.
I'm not.
Haha...A Modest Proposal?
Citox
03-01-2005, 04:03
Infantcide, Really I do not see what is wrong with it persay. A foetus is totally dependant on its mother the same way an infant is. They both can not survive on there own, they are both really incomplete life forms.

So far society has never managed to developed a good way to define life, We say abortion is ok because the it is not yet a person, Infants really are not people yet. Not really thought alive.

I would say infantside should be legal up untill the point the child can argue for its own life. At that point it goes from being just a thing to a living thinking being.
Pacos Penguins
03-01-2005, 04:07
so if we put duct tape around a persons mouth so they can't aurgue for thier life there are not a person and we can kill them?
New Genoa
03-01-2005, 04:11
so if we put duct tape around a persons mouth so they can't aurgue for thier life there are not a person and we can kill them?

Yes.
The Phoenix Milita
03-01-2005, 04:11
It's a women's right!! We need to have post birth abortions to reduce population, stabilize lives & families and to use the babies for stem cell research!!!
Starting with yourself?
Citox
03-01-2005, 04:12
so if we put duct tape around a persons mouth so they can't aurgue for thier life there are not a person and we can kill them?


Facetious arguement. Outside intereferance rather makes that a void point.
Damaica
03-01-2005, 04:14
A child can survive without its mother after birth... men are fullly capable of raising a child, and women need to take into consideration that they are not the only one responsible for pregnancy.
Gaeltach
03-01-2005, 04:15
Facetious arguement. Outside intereferance rather makes that a void point.

Alright then, what about people with mental disabilities? Or people with Autism, for example.
Vegas-Rex
03-01-2005, 04:17
Why do you think this is infanticide? I don't know about the person who started this post, but I have a friend who talks about after-birth abortions and he wants them mandatory for senior citizens.
Citox
03-01-2005, 04:19
Alright then, what about people with mental disabilities? Or people with Autism, for example.


They can still put forward apoint unless they are too far gone, then maybe is it not better for society as awhole those people no longer go on.

To take nature as an example, a weakened animal is more likely to die, but in doing so the grouping of said animal as a whole grows stronger. Humans are strange infact the we harbour weakness and disease with us, weakening us as a whole rather than purging it from us and allowing us to grow stronger.

A mental retard who can do nothing for himself, who can not even support that he should live is nothing more than an anchor on society dragging it down. It maybe harsh to say, but it is rather true.
Gaeltach
03-01-2005, 04:20
However many animals will band together and actually care for the sick member.
Newtburg
03-01-2005, 04:21
LOL post birth abortion, you guys slay me.
Rubina
03-01-2005, 04:25
LOL post birth abortion, you guys slay me.That would be the point, yes. :D
Tricea
03-01-2005, 04:27
whoa..i mean really..arguing about abortions is one thing because the definition of a human is debatable...but post birth abortions arnt even something to consider..once someone is born, they are a human, and "aborting" them, is really murder...any one who practices post birth abortion should be arrested for murder most definately!
Ricksville
03-01-2005, 04:33
"oh no! i had sex with a guy and now i'm pregnant! too bad i didn't think about the consequences before i let this guy knock me up! now i'm gonna have an unwanted baby. how am i going to raise this child with my whole life still ahead of me? oh i know! i'll kill it before it has the chance to live it's life! that way I don't have to change my life because i had sex. Finally, a way to kill children before they can have a chance to live outside its womb."
Citox
03-01-2005, 04:33
whoa..i mean really..arguing about abortions is one thing because the definition of a human is debatable...but post birth abortions arnt even something to consider..once someone is born, they are a human, and "aborting" them, is really murder...any one who practices post birth abortion should be arrested for murder most definately!

A foetus is a human as well. Your point, or well lack of?
Pacos Penguins
03-01-2005, 04:34
They can still put forward apoint unless they are too far gone, then maybe is it not better for society as awhole those people no longer go on.

To take nature as an example, a weakened animal is more likely to die, but in doing so the grouping of said animal as a whole grows stronger. Humans are strange infact the we harbour weakness and disease with us, weakening us as a whole rather than purging it from us and allowing us to grow stronger.

A mental retard who can do nothing for himself, who can not even support that he should live is nothing more than an anchor on society dragging it down. It maybe harsh to say, but it is rather true.

So if a person beats another person very badly then kills him can claiming he only assulted this person then put them out of thier missery and then is only charged with assault. That's jsut great
Newtburg
03-01-2005, 04:36
"A mental retard"

hehehehehe
Gaeltach
03-01-2005, 04:40
A foetus is a human as well. Your point, or well lack of?
First of all, it's "fetus" not "foetus." And the point would be that the entire premise of the abortion debate stems from the discrepency between whether a fetus is considered life, or if that does not happen until birth.
Newtburg
03-01-2005, 04:42
First of all, it's "fetus" not "foetus." And the point would be that the entire premise of the abortion debate stems from the discrepency between whether a fetus is considered life, or if that does not happen until birth.


ah dont worry about ol' mr. typeo there. hes probably a mental retard.
Tricea
03-01-2005, 04:42
A foetus is a human as well. Your point, or well lack of?

dont get me wrong..i believe a fetus is a human...im saying that it can be debated however
Citox
03-01-2005, 04:58
First of all, it's "fetus" not "foetus." And the point would be that the entire premise of the abortion debate stems from the discrepency between whether a fetus is considered life, or if that does not happen until birth.

First of all your an idiot. Oh and your smart arse reply happens to be wrong. Happy to help.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=foetus


My original posts addresses the very point of how we have abortion mainly because that a foetus is not considered to be a valid life. The same arguements and reasoning can be for an extent used to justify infantcide aswell.

Its its not alive before birth, why is magically arrive after birth.
Draconical
03-01-2005, 05:01
To anyone who supports the idea of post birth abortion.. You are nothing but a bunch of sick animals who are no better than that part of the German Gov/High Command who decided that if you weren't of pure Aryan descent then you were subhuman and so had no inherant right to life.

This is pretty much why The Jewish people were almost wiped out in the NAZI DEATH CAMPS. Hitler consideder them and others like Non-Caucasians and Homosexals as sub-human or Untermensch as he put it.

Killing a child, even a newborn Infant is nothing short of MURDER.

Killing anyone is just because the don't fit in, are not considered normal or just plain can't look after themselves is SHEER IDIOCY of the HIGHEST ORDER.

What next, kill all those who are disabled (eg: para/quadraplegics), those who society doesn't want (eg: The Homeless)

And to the person (I refuse to dignify you with a quote) who suggested eating them, you would have to be the sickest individual I have ever had the displeasure to encounter. That is TOO DISGUSTING even to joke about, so don't even think about justifying your pathetic existance with that one. May you die a horrible death.
Neo-Anarchists
03-01-2005, 05:09
First of all your an idiot. Oh and your smart arse reply happens to be wrong. Happy to help.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=foetus


My original posts addresses the very point of how we have abortion mainly because that a foetus is not considered to be a valid life. The same arguements and reasoning can be for an extent used to justify infantcide aswell.

Its its not alive before birth, why is magically arrive after birth.


So then, what is the dividing line between 'alive' and 'not alive' then?
Cogitation
03-01-2005, 05:13
I don't have time to look this over. iLock.

Official Warnings are pending.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation