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Chinese cars, low quality crap (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=7218322)

I'm already trying to think of catchphrases that rhyme, similiar to Jap Crap.

The only thing I can think of is "Chink shit"... any other suggestions?

learn how not to be racist?
i know, radical idea...

Any car imported has to meet stringent safety standards like side impact etc. The cars will not be junk

Any car imported has to meet stringent safety standards like side impact etc. The cars will not be junk


They will be one step above the Yugo! (http://mcdev.nolansys.dsvr.co.uk/mark/images/yug.jpg)

I dunno, I'd welcome cheaper cars, and I trust the Chinese to make a reasonable vehicle.

Does it ever occur to you that maybe the reason Japanese cars do so damned well is that they are actually better than American ones? That perhaps the buyers of this "Jap crap" don't want a great fuel-guzzling monstrosity that's wider than a supertanker and about half as agile? That they perhaps have more efficient engines, are more reliable, have superior electronics, are cheaper?

learn how not to be racist?
i know, radical idea...


Come on, that wasn't that racist!

I dunno, I'd welcome cheaper cars, and I trust the Chinese to make a reasonable vehicle.
WERD BROTHA!!!

Does it ever occur to you that maybe the reason Japanese cars do so damned well is that they are actually better than American ones? That perhaps the buyers of this "Jap crap" don't want a great fuel-guzzling monstrosity that's wider than a supertanker and about half as agile? That they perhaps have more efficient engines, are more reliable, have superior electronics, are cheaper?

American Cars lately have been just as good as Jap Cars, in fact they are actually better then European models as of late.

Any car imported has to meet stringent safety standards like side impact etc. The cars will not be junk

Kia's and Hyundais pass those tests, and those are go-karts.

The only thing I can think of is "Chink shit"... any other suggestions?


Gook Poop! ;)

Does it ever occur to you that maybe the reason Japanese cars do so damned well is that they are actually better than American ones? That perhaps the buyers of this "Jap crap" don't want a great fuel-guzzling monstrosity that's wider than a supertanker and about half as agile? That they perhaps have more efficient engines, are more reliable, have superior electronics, are cheaper?

My Ford Explorer handles fine, and it gets about 17MPG, much better than an Escalade, Expedition, Excursion, Tahoe, Suburban, Landcruiser, or any other "full size" SUV.

Decent human beings however would not buy these cars. Doing so you are merely supporting the suffering and exploitation of the abused and mistreated chinese workers.

On an ethical and moral level these goods are basically built with the blood of disposable people.

Gook Poop! ;)

Gook shit!

Kia's and Hyundais pass those tests, and those are go-karts.

Yugo's passed those tests too, and they are lawnmowers. Plus you know it's a bad purchase when you had the option of getting carpeting!

Any car imported has to meet stringent safety standards like side impact etc. The cars will not be junk

Oh really? What do you call Deawoo? Or Ford? Or GM? or ... ahem. Domestic manufacturers have to meet those same stringent safety standards, doesn't mean they're not junk.

As far as out rascist friendly car terms, chop sticks maybe?

Decent human beings however would not buy these cars. Doing so you are merely supporting the suffering and exploitation of the abused and mistreated chinese workers.

On an ethical and moral level these goods are basically built with the blood of disposable people.


Which is why I buy American.

Decent human beings however would not buy these cars. Doing so you are merely supporting the suffering and exploitation of the abused and mistreated chinese workers.

On an ethical and moral level these goods are basically built with the blood of disposable people.


Bravo! I was waiting for someone to say that!

Oh really? What do you call Deawoo? Or Ford? Or GM? or ... ahem. Domestic manufacturers have to meet those same stringent safety standards, doesn't mean they're not junk.

As far as out rascist friendly car terms, chop sticks maybe?

Daewoo is not a domestic company.

I feel much safer in a full size sedan, than in a go-kart piece of gook shit.

About some of the thread starter's comments, the quality of cars is another matter, but I don't think it got anything to do with the Chinese and Japanese people in general. It's like saying that the US as a whole is bad just because some politican there made a bad decision.
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Although being a Chinese myself I can testify that there is a portion of people in China chooses European/American/Japanese cars over domestically-built cars, the quality of the Chinese-built cars are also quite reasonable, and I personally trust the company to do a good job. Still however, we'll have to see what product line the company introduces (many domestically-built automobiles in China are small though), and how it will complete against American/Japanese/even European cars.

They will be one step above the Yugo! (http://mcdev.nolansys.dsvr.co.uk/mark/images/yug.jpg)



Yugo came immediatly to my mind as well, when that poster said imported cars won't be crap. Although a girl I went to highschool with drove one for years, didn't have any problems mechanically. But not sure how they fared in crash tests.

I'll stick with my American made Japanese car.

[QUOTE=Kahta]Daewoo is not a domestic company.


I believe General Motors owns Daewoo, at least their automotive division.

Does it ever occur to you that maybe the reason Japanese cars do so damned well is that they are actually better than American ones? That perhaps the buyers of this "Jap crap" don't want a great fuel-guzzling monstrosity that's wider than a supertanker and about half as agile? That they perhaps have more efficient engines, are more reliable, have superior electronics, are cheaper?


Mostly all I see around here are the supertanker-gas guzzlers being driven by yuppie wannabe white 'soccer mom' types trying to keep up with the Jones'.
Absolutely no need to buy or drive these massive gas hogs around where I live which is the peidmont triad area of north carolina. We get no extreme weather here, and I don't think they need 4 wheel drive to get to up their drive ways. And when I see a Hummer pull up beside me at a stoplight..haha.

There's already loads of vehicles from China that have met DOT standards. All those scooters that have flooded the market. Some of these even look like classic Vespas.

You can get a basic single stroke city commuter for $500 to $700. A four stroke water cooled model for $750 to $1,500. The Chinese are selling these cheaper than the mopeds that were on the market in the 70s. They're getting popular with the young working adults in my city, you can buy one brand new with a tax return and they get 75 miles to the gallon.

Also all those mini pocket bikes are from China. Those are only a few hundred bucks. Then there are all those mini scooters that aren't DOT approved.

Chink stink?

So far, intelligent discussion... but could we avoid using racial slurs, please? It's not necessary by any means.

I'll stick with my American made Japanese car.
American made Japanese cars are top notch, because they combine superior Japanese engineering technology and large business organization with superior American manufacturing techniqes.

Many chinese trucks are currently in use all over the world (and US) as work vehicles for contractors.

So in other news....

They have cars in china? are you sure they're not importing bikes?

Chinese cars, low quality crap (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=7218322)

I'm already trying to think of catchphrases that rhyme, similiar to Jap Crap.

I dated a china person once. This is offensive. Stop Flaming People Kahta. ;)

Far be it from me to make humorous comments at the expense of others. Such is not my style.

But I don't think I'll buy a chinese-made automobile. I doubt they'll be able to go over 50. :p

I wonder what the Chinese knock off of a Harley is going to look like. You can buy a mini chopper for $300 to $500 now. I'll bet in five years you'll have a Chinese version that looks and sounds like a Harley for under $4,000.

American made Japanese cars are top notch, because they combine superior Japanese engineering technology and large business organization with superior American manufacturing techniqes.

Don't you mean cheap American labour?

In all honesty, it's probably going to be 5-10 years before a Chinese car is worth owning, if the Japanese and Korean imports are any parallel. Toyotas and Hondas were garbage until about the late 1970s or so, and then they started getting good and people started buying them instead of the American cars that were designed to crap out after four years. Hyundais followed the same pattern, being terrible in the late 1980s and then good in the late 1990s and onward. Kia's good too but only more recently. Any Chinese brand will follow the same pattern, most likely, but they will be worth owning early next decade and probably reasonably priced as well.

Which is why I buy American.

No, you buy "American" because of some idiotic sense then. We make a lot of parts outside the US, and you could just as easily buy European if you're concerned about human rights.

Daewoo is not a domestic company.

I feel much safer in a full size sedan, than in a go-kart piece of gook shit.

Actually, it is. Daewoo is owned by GM. I mentioned it because is is "considered" an import that has to meet those "stringent" saftey laws.

'Jap Crap' happens to me the most reliable car. This is from consumerreports.org:

"Overall, the most reliable vehicles continue to be those from Asian automakers. The problem rate for the newest models among all Japanese and Korean vehicles is holding steady at 12 per 100.

As the comparison tables show, Acura, Honda, Infiniti, Lexus, Mazda, and Toyota have been the most reliable makes over the past five model years, based on the average problem rates. (Those averages can mask a wide range of problem rates among individual models; reliability varies from model to model for most makes.)

As the problem rate for domestic vehicles improved slightly, the quality gap between U.S. and Asian makes narrowed slightly. Still, the average 2003 U.S. model still has 50 percent more problems than the average Japanese model."

# How do you make a Yugo go faster?
A towtruck.
# What do you call the shock absorbers inside a Yugo?
Passengers.
# Two guys in a Yugo were arrested last night in Oakland following a push-by shooting incident.
# The new Yugo has an air bag. When you sense an impending accident, start pumping real fast.
# A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for my Yugo." The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
# I have also said for years that the car is named because "Yugo, but it doesn't".
# How can you get a Yugo to do 60 miles an hour?
Push it over a cliff.

Has anyone heard Rush's "In a Yugo" song he has for the SUV update

So real "rice rods", "rice runners", or "ricers" are going to hit the street now? Cool

But now I got to think of a new name for those idiots who put all of their economic resources into their Honda Civics...

Toyota was ranked the best brand partly thanks to Lexus.

Although Nissan, which means "Made in Japan", should never have changed their name from Datsun. Although the Skyline rocks.

Suburu is not bad either.

Also, 1980's Chrysler Lebarons and other similar models use cheap Mitsubishi engines.

It's funny though how Yugos never went almost at all but the Chevy Nova, which means "no go" in Spanish, went until you had to junk it it literally fell apart at the seams.

But I must say, most American cars can't matchup to the legends of yesterday such as the Ford Cobra and the Plymouth Superbird.

But the bestselling vehicle in the US today is the basic Ford pickup....

Chinese cars, low quality crap (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=7218322)

I'm already trying to think of catchphrases that rhyme, similiar to Jap Crap.

I'm old enough to remember when Japanese products were seen as crap.

No longer.

Rather than making ethnically disparaging remarks about Chinese cars we should focus on maintaining market share by building quality American cars that get good mileage for a reasonable price. Otherwise we should not be surprised if the Chinese follow the path of the Japanese, who were totally dismissed by Detroit in the 1960s and 1970s.

So real "rice rods", "rice runners", or "ricers" are going to hit the street now? Cool

But now I got to think of a new name for those idiots who put all of their economic resources into their Honda Civics...

Toyota was ranked the best brand partly thanks to Lexus.

Although Nissan, which means "Made in Japan", should never have changed their name from Datsun. Although the Skyline rocks.

Suburu is not bad either.

Also, 1980's Chrysler Lebarons and other similar models use cheap Mitsubishi engines.

It's funny though how Yugos never went almost at all but the Chevy Nova, which means "no go" in Spanish, went until you had to junk it it literally fell apart at the seams.

"Nova" does not mean "no go". "Nova" is the term for a star suddenly becoming bright and then dimming over weeks. It does *not* mean "no go" in Spanish. "No Va" means "it does not go." But we're not saying "No Va" now are we? No, we're saying "Nova."

Ever heard of Premex? No? Its the only offical place you can buy gasoline in Mexico. They use to have pumps labeled "Nova." Know what that meant when it was on a gas pump? That if you used that pump you would get leaded gas. Thankfully Mexico has essentialy faded out leaded gas from its Premex stations.

So now that you know better, kindly never utter that stupid bullshit about the Chevy Nova again will you? I especially hate this crap because it is still used in marketing classes as a "be careful what your name means in multiple langauges" and claim the name was responsible for it selling like crap in the spanish speaking world. Nope sorry, the product just sucked.

But I must say, most American cars can't matchup to the legends of yesterday such as the Ford Cobra and the Plymouth Superbird.

But the bestselling vehicle in the US today is the basic Ford pickup....

Please to do tell me of what legend of yesterday you are speaking of? There was no "Ford Corba". There have been some Ford Mustang SVT Cobras. But the *SHELBY* Cobra was a legend of yester-year.

Decent human beings however would not buy these cars. Doing so you are merely supporting the suffering and exploitation of the abused and mistreated chinese workers.

On an ethical and moral level these goods are basically built with the blood of disposable people.

Hmm... interesting. You have any information about the suffering and exploitation of Chinese car workers I could pass on to my friends who work in and/or manage Chinese factories?

Does it ever occur to you that maybe the reason Japanese cars do so damned well is that they are actually better than American ones? That perhaps the buyers of this "Jap crap" don't want a great fuel-guzzling monstrosity that's wider than a supertanker and about half as agile? That they perhaps have more efficient engines, are more reliable, have superior electronics, are cheaper?

did it ever occur to you that Jap Crap cars are very uncomfortable for people other than asians and midgets, that they have very little in the way of cultural adaptability (IE; I'm six two, I don't fit in a car made with the 5'4 or so asian in mind, recently, I can't remember what news service ran a story on a Honda that had a nonfunctioning seatblet because a french fry had been lodged therein, the japanese do not eat food in their vehicles and do not design said vehicles with such things in mind. an american car was thus tested, having a similiarly sized and aged french fry placed in a similiar position, and the seat belt functioned normally, no problem. japanese cars are smaller, lighter, less well prone to survive accidents and more prone to mechanical and electronic problems, I'll stick with euro american cars thank you very much)? that on the road with the great fuel-guzzling monstrosities that're wider than supertankers and about half as agile they are much less safe?.and that cheaper is about the only true thing you've said about the jap crap? their engines might be more efficient in some cases, but mostly its just that they're in smaller, lighter cars. otherwise, their superior electronics and reliability is a myth, an European made car is usually more technologically reliable and 'superior' in an electronic sense while american cars (in general) have much longer useful lives and are much sturdier. And seriously, american cars are bigger, safer, cheaper to maintain in the long run and easier to maintain. Japanese cars may be great for a short college kid whose short on budget and long on possibilities, but otherwise, stick with the established masters of safety and reliabilty, go Euro American, and with the advent of Hybrid Gas-Electric vehicles, the only good thing about japanese cars is that they areinitially cheap, the only other advantage they had, fuel efficiency, is quickly becoming irrelevant.

of course, some japanese companies are getting the idea, like subaru, but they're cars are still weak, prone to short term ownability (try keeping a jap crap running for more than a million miles and forty years, just won't happen)
of course, I saw the discussion on Yugo's, and I must say that there are worse cars out there, like early model russian Zhigulis (or however its spelled)

Euro_american, better quality cars.

[QUOTE=Ice Hockey Players]In all honesty, it's probably going to be 5-10 years before a Chinese car is worth owning, if the Japanese and Korean imports are any parallel. Toyotas and Hondas were garbage until about the late 1970s or so, and then they started getting good and people started buying them instead of the American cars that were designed to crap out after four years.


I think you are accurate on the timeline, but
It had nothing to do with the Petroleum crisis and the American populace in their 4 ton cadillac dick extensions?

Yankees used to claim Japanese electronics were crap too, but as someone who Makes electronics I can state for a fact that they were always at least as good as American equipment. Just a bunch of Yahoo Yankee's getting pissy because someone might be offering some competition.

[QUOTE=Ice Hockey Players]In all honesty, it's probably going to be 5-10 years before a Chinese car is worth owning, if the Japanese and Korean imports are any parallel. Toyotas and Hondas were garbage until about the late 1970s or so, and then they started getting good and people started buying them instead of the American cars that were designed to crap out after four years.


I think you are accurate on the timeline, but
It had nothing to do with the Petroleum crisis and the American populace in their 4 ton cadillac dick extensions?

Yankees used to claim Japanese electronics were crap too, but as someone who Makes electronics I can state for a fact that they were always at least as good as American equipment. Just a bunch of Yahoo Yankee's getting pissy because someone might be offering some competition.

Is Derek Jeter building electronics now? Cool, where can I buy some?

did it ever occur to you that Jap Crap cars are very uncomfortable for people other than asians and midgets, that they have very little in the way of cultural adaptability (IE; I'm six two, I don't fit in a car made with the 5'4 or so asian in mind, recently, I can't remember what news service ran a story on a Honda that had a nonfunctioning seatblet because a french fry had been lodged therein, the japanese do not eat food in their vehicles and do not design said vehicles with such things in mind. an american car was thus tested, having a similiarly sized and aged french fry placed in a similiar position, and the seat belt functioned normally, no problem. japanese cars are smaller, lighter, less well prone to survive accidents and more prone to mechanical and electronic problems, I'll stick with euro american cars thank you very much)? that on the road with the great fuel-guzzling monstrosities that're wider than supertankers and about half as agile they are much less safe?.and that cheaper is about the only true thing you've said about the jap crap? their engines might be more efficient in some cases, but mostly its just that they're in smaller, lighter cars. otherwise, their superior electronics and reliability is a myth, an European made car is usually more technologically reliable and 'superior' in an electronic sense while american cars (in general) have much longer useful lives and are much sturdier. And seriously, american cars are bigger, safer, cheaper to maintain in the long run and easier to maintain. Japanese cars may be great for a short college kid whose short on budget and long on possibilities, but otherwise, stick with the established masters of safety and reliabilty, go Euro American, and with the advent of Hybrid Gas-Electric vehicles, the only good thing about japanese cars is that they areinitially cheap, the only other advantage they had, fuel efficiency, is quickly becoming irrelevant.

of course, some japanese companies are getting the idea, like subaru, but they're cars are still weak, prone to short term ownability (try keeping a jap crap running for more than a million miles and forty years, just won't happen)
of course, I saw the discussion on Yugo's, and I must say that there are worse cars out there, like early model russian Zhigulis (or however its spelled)

Euro_american, better quality cars.

I don't know what kind of Japanese car you drove, but I had a Honda Accord for six years that I fit in just fine, and I stand 6'3". In fact, I fit in it better than I fit in my brother's Saturn SC2, which has no headroom, or his old Ford Escort, which had no legroom. Japanese cars are not necessarily designed for short people, nor are American cars necessarily designed for tall people. Maybe they were early on, but my Honda was a 1986 and it fit me just fine.

Not to say all American cars are short-person cars either; my 1994 Buick Skylark fits me as well as my Honda did, headroom and all.

Decent human beings however would not buy these cars. Doing so you are merely supporting the suffering and exploitation of the abused and mistreated chinese workers.

On an ethical and moral level these goods are basically built with the blood of disposable people.

And you are going to help them by depriving them of a job I suppose?

Cars won't last too much longer anyway, I've heard it from the Fed Government. My Uncle works in the higher workings of the Fedral Highway department. One of the ideas they are pushing is for mass transit that runs off alternative fuels as well as implement a mass rail system. Cars are so outdated anyway.

Hell, if everything else is made there.........

did it ever occur to you that Jap Crap cars are very uncomfortable for people other than asians and midgets, that they have very little in the way of cultural adaptability (IE; I'm six two, I don't fit in a car made with the 5'4 or so asian in mind, recently, I can't remember what news service ran a story on a Honda that had a nonfunctioning seatblet because a french fry had been lodged therein, the japanese do not eat food in their vehicles and do not design said vehicles with such things in mind. an american car was thus tested, having a similiarly sized and aged french fry placed in a similiar position, and the seat belt functioned normally, no problem. japanese cars are smaller, lighter, less well prone to survive accidents and more prone to mechanical and electronic problems, I'll stick with euro american cars thank you very much)? that on the road with the great fuel-guzzling monstrosities that're wider than supertankers and about half as agile they are much less safe?.and that cheaper is about the only true thing you've said about the jap crap? their engines might be more efficient in some cases, but mostly its just that they're in smaller, lighter cars. otherwise, their superior electronics and reliability is a myth, an European made car is usually more technologically reliable and 'superior' in an electronic sense while american cars (in general) have much longer useful lives and are much sturdier. And seriously, american cars are bigger, safer, cheaper to maintain in the long run and easier to maintain. Japanese cars may be great for a short college kid whose short on budget and long on possibilities, but otherwise, stick with the established masters of safety and reliabilty, go Euro American, and with the advent of Hybrid Gas-Electric vehicles, the only good thing about japanese cars is that they areinitially cheap, the only other advantage they had, fuel efficiency, is quickly becoming irrelevant.

of course, some japanese companies are getting the idea, like subaru, but they're cars are still weak, prone to short term ownability (try keeping a jap crap running for more than a million miles and forty years, just won't happen)
of course, I saw the discussion on Yugo's, and I must say that there are worse cars out there, like early model russian Zhigulis (or however its spelled)

Euro_american, better quality cars.

All right, I'll go through this one bit at a time, shall I?

1) Japanese and other Asian vehicles are the most reliable on the market. Testing by various organisations in Europe and the U.K. has repeatedly put them on the top of the reliability list, as can be seen here:

Japanese cars the most reliable
Japanese-brand cars are the most reliable, according to a survey by Fleet News, which studied the performance of nearly 800,000 vehicles on large company fleets, making this the UK's most comprehensive reliability study. Toyota took the award for most reliable manufacturer, with Honda and then Lexus following in second and third places; BMW was fourth, followed by Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Ford, Mazda, Audi and Mitsubishi in 10th place. Honda won the award for the most reliable model, though, with the Accord; second-placed was the Toyota Avensis, third the Lexus IS200 and fourth the Toyota Yaris, with the Mercedes-Benz E-Class fifth; also highly commended were the BMW 3-Series, Toyota Corolla, Ford Ka, MINI and Ford Mondeo.

These results are very different to 2002's survey, when the top ten manufacturers table had Volkswagen tying for first place with Toyota, Audi with BMW in third place, Mercedes and Honda equal fifth, Lexus seventh, Ford eighth and Jaguar and Nissan equal ninth; last year, the most reliable cars proved to be the Audi A4 and VW Golf (in equal first), VW Passat, Honda Accord and Ford Focus.

Also you might want to look at [uurl=http://www.edmunds.com/news/column/carmudgeon/101636/article.html]here[/url], which is American article. It's not just us filthy Europeans who think the Japanese make better cars.

2) If you want to eat food in your car, do so at your own risk. I don't see why manufacturers should have to pander to the needs of people who like to eat (messily, by the sound of it) in a steel box on wheels. Aside from that, I'd like to know a little more about this test. It'd also like to know HOW the fools got a chip lodged in a seatbelt.

3) I'm 6 feet and I've never had any trouble with a Japanese vehicle for height or leg-room. What model were you in, exactly?

4) Superior electronics? You're aware that the Japanese have the most advanced and efficient electronics industry going, right? Hence the fact that, in all probability, most of the parts for the computer you're working with were designed or built in Japan. Furthermore, experience tells me that the Japanese electronics in cars are superior or equal to Western systems. Our old Ford used to have constant problems with its electric windows, something that has never plagued my neighbour's Honda.

5) Hybrid vehicles are a looong way off. My cousins have an Italian Sierra estate which runs on gas or petrol. There are, however, at present exactly two fuelling stations in the region where they stay when they come here which have the ability to provide LPG for the car. Gas propulsion's a fair way off yet. Also, much of the experience gained by Japanese manufacturers in fuel efficiency in their existing engines will be relevant in hybrid engines. Always helps to have efficient engines.

6) I'd contend further that a Japanese car is no less safe than one of your giant American road-hogs if built to the same size. However, the Japanese recognise that not everyone wishes to consume half of the motorway wherever they go. Car for car and system for system, Japanese cars are still just as safe as Western ones, and cheaper to boot.

Edit: Oh, and will those of you doing it please cut the racist epithets, before I modcall your bony backsides.

One more car brand I don't think I'll buy.

One more car brand I don't think I'll buy.

Maybe they'll sell them here like they did with the Yugo. Buy a new car, get one Chinese car free.

American Cars lately have been just as good as Jap Cars, in fact they are actually better then European models as of late.Really?

Edit: Oh, and will those of you doing it please cut the racist epithets, before I modcall your bony backsides.

Were you the kind of kid who always tattled on their classmates?

Really?


Yes, they are right now better then European.

Decent human beings however would not buy these cars. Doing so you are merely supporting the suffering and exploitation of the abused and mistreated chinese workers.
they tried that crap on me...
They told me about Nike...and Disney "neo-slavery".

I still watch Disney movies...and i still buy Nike...

and I still buy Sony and Honda...

Sue me.

'Jap Crap' happens to me the most reliable car. This is from consumerreports.org:

"Overall, the most reliable vehicles continue to be those from Asian automakers. The problem rate for the newest models among all Japanese and Korean vehicles is holding steady at 12 per 100.

As the comparison tables show, Acura, Honda, Infiniti, Lexus, Mazda, and Toyota have been the most reliable makes over the past five model years, based on the average problem rates. (Those averages can mask a wide range of problem rates among individual models; reliability varies from model to model for most makes.)

As the problem rate for domestic vehicles improved slightly, the quality gap between U.S. and Asian makes narrowed slightly. Still, the average 2003 U.S. model still has 50 percent more problems than the average Japanese model."

:eek: proof of your claims ... how dare you
This is a no fact zone … nothing resembling reality should be allowed in here!

Yes, they are right now better then European.My dad only buys German made...and my neighbor only buys Volvo...
on the other hand inlaws buys only cadillac/lincoln...

I tried them several times and I know how much they xpend in yearly repairs...

they tried that crap on me...
They told me about Nike...and Disney "neo-slavery".

I still watch Disney movies...and i still buy Nike...

and I still buy Sony and Honda...

Sue me.

You are so intolerant and insensitive, I tells ya! :(

You are so intolerant and insensitive, I tells ya! :(
Lol ... I needed a good laugh

My dad only buys German made...and my neighbor only buys Volvo...
on the other hand inlaws buys only cadillac/lincoln...

I tried them several times and I know how much they xpend in yearly repairs...

Cadillacs are such a wonderful ride. The luxury is awesome, plus the engine is super. Beats any similar Euro Luxury ride in comfort, style, and drive.

Lol ... I needed a good laugh

Well there isn't much to do in Minnesota beside fish or smile, now is there?

Don't even try to call me some old fuddy duddy for loving Cadillac.

Well there isn't much to do in Minnesota beside fish or smile, now is there?
Ehhh just about as many things as any place else I have been …
Oh well

Don't even try to call me some old fuddy duddy for loving Cadillac.
I am intolerant'n'insensitive allrite....but i shall still respect your "old fuddy duddy" tastes :D

Don't even try to call me some old fuddy duddy for loving Cadillac.
Was not planning it … love the old Fleetwood’s … though do think bmw’s make a good more sporty car. (along with Mercedes Benz)

Don’t know personally I pick whatever individual model I think is best (of course taking in company history) but models are so different from each other

Even model years differ widely in repair records and options … features and reliability

Was not planning it … love the old Fleetwood’s … though do think bmw’s make a good more sporty car. (along with Mercedes Benz)

Don’t know personally I pick whatever individual model I think is best (of course taking in company history) but models are so different from each other

Even model years differ widely in repair records and options … features and reliability

I'm still angry at the Huns for bombing Pearl Harbor with their Mercedes and BMW engines. :mad:

Was not planning it … love the old Fleetwood’s … though do think bmw’s make a good more sporty car. (along with Mercedes Benz)

Don’t know personally I pick whatever individual model I think is best (of course taking in company history) but models are so different from each other

Even model years differ widely in repair records and options … features and reliability


Also Cadillacs are so much more affordable. Why pay more?

Like sportscars, buy a Corvette, for $55,000 you get more bang for your buck, and they are so much cheaper then the nearest Euro comparable sports car.

bow to the VW Polo: 70 mpg

I'm still angry at the Huns for bombing Pearl Harbor with their Mercedes and BMW engines. :mad:
Hmmm thought it was Mitsubishi that made the zero itself (not quite sure if they used larger bombers … thought it was carrier based attack so the plane size was limited) and were the "huns" really in on it ...

Hun
n.
1. A member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the fourth and fifth centuries A.D. and were defeated in 455.
2. often hun A barbarous or destructive person.
3. Offensive Slang. Used as a disparaging term for a German, especially a German soldier in World War I.


I suppose if you are taking it as 2 (the Germans did not invade pearl harbor)

Also Cadillacs are so much more affordable. Why pay more?

Like sportscars, buy a Corvette, for $55,000 you get more bang for your buck, and they are so much cheaper then the nearest Euro comparable sports car.
Old school Vett maybe (personally 69-about 78)… new ones not a fan of (94 – about 91 were HORRIBLE … been getting better) but I digress

Hmmm thought it was Mitsubishi that made the zero itself (not quite sure if they used larger bombers … thought it was carrier based attack so the plane size was limited) and were the "huns" really in on it ...

Hun
n.
1. A member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the fourth and fifth centuries A.D. and were defeated in 455.
2. often hun A barbarous or destructive person.
3. Offensive Slang. Used as a disparaging term for a German, especially a German soldier in World War I.


I suppose if you are taking it as 2 (the Germans did not invade pearl harbor)

Well in my history books it was the Huns who flew the planes, and the krauts who skippered the boats to get there. The Japanese were easy scapegoats. This is the truth as it appears on the internetS.

Old school Vett maybe (personally 69-about 78)… new ones not a fan of (94 – about 91 were HORRIBLE … been getting better) but I digress


You do know that with under $30,000 you can modify your vette into a 200+ mph super vette.

Callaway is an awesome thing. You send him your corvette and some money, you get back a super car. Pics:1 (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.net/sites/callaway/89x2/scan0011.jpg) , 2 (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.net/sites/callaway/89x2/scan0001.jpg) , 3 (the Sledge Hammer) (http://inspired2innovate.com/corvette/callaway/1988_callaway_sledgehammer-1.gif)

Also Lingenfelter does superb work!

Well in my history books it was the Huns who flew the planes, and the krauts who skippered the boats to get there. The Japanese were easy scapegoats. This is the truth as it appears on the internetS.FOX/CBS told me they r a Football team...with bloody raider ass fans...

Well in my history books it was the Huns who flew the planes, and the krauts who skippered the boats to get there. The Japanese were easy scapegoats. This is the truth as it appears on the internetS.
Hmmm interesting view of history to say the least

FOX/CBS told me they r a Football team...with bloody raider ass fans...

No!!! I've been taught a lie!!! AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH

I'm still angry at the Huns for bombing Pearl Harbor with their Mercedes and BMW engines. :mad:
Hmmm found an update



Power Plant

The standard engine fitted to the Model 22 was the 1130hp Nakajima NK1F Sakae 21 fourteen-cylinder radial equipped with a two-speed supercharger. The official RNZAF report from the Engineer Officer at Hobsonville quotes this aircraft as being fitted with the Sakae 12 motor. This model, normally fitted to the A6M2 model, was lighter, shorter and less powerful than the Sakae 21. Fitting of a Sakae 12 to an A6M3 like NZ6000 would have posed weight distribution and center of gravity problems on the aircraft.
A visual inspection of the exterior of the engine currently installed failed to disclose any maker's plate, but a comparison of this engine with photographs of the Sakae 12 and 21 engines shows it to have the bulbous reduction gear housing around the front of the crankshaft characteristic of the Sakae 21. Thus we can take the Air Force report as incorrect, and accept that the correct motor is fitted to NZ6000.
The Sakae 21 was known, when under development, by the Naval designation NK1F:

N - manufacturer (Nakajima) K = air cooled
1 = sequence number within given class of engines
F = version of the engine (i.e. 6th version)

When put into production, the engine was known by a name followed by a model number, in this case Sakae (Prosperity) 21.
The Japanese Army had a different designation system. and the Ministry of Munitions later devised a joint system for both Navy and Army engines. In this system, the Sakae 21 became known as the Ha-75 21:

Ha = abbreviation for Hatsudoki (engine)
3 = air cooled, double row, 14-cylinder radial
5 = 130mm bore. 150mm stroke
21 = Model number for specific variant in Ha-35 series



http://mitsubishi_zero.tripod.com/powerplant.htm

Were you the kind of kid who always tattled on their classmates?

I'm the kind of guy who does NOT find applying racist titles to people funny, and who will quite happily "tattle" as you put it if it means the perpetrators get what they deserve. Justice is justice, and takes precedent above loyalty to individuals.

I'm the kind of guy who does NOT find applying racist titles to people funny, and who will quite happily "tattle" as you put it if it means the perpetrators get what they deserve. Justice is justice, and takes precedent above loyalty to individuals.


Most people say "Jap", because its easy to say compared to "Japanese". I could also say "nip"...

Cars won't last too much longer anyway, I've heard it from the Fed Government. My Uncle works in the higher workings of the Fedral Highway department. One of the ideas they are pushing is for mass transit that runs off alternative fuels as well as implement a mass rail system. Cars are so outdated anyway.

It'll never happen, thats a total loss of freedom. A car is freedom.

I'm old enough to remember when Japanese products were seen as crap.

No longer.

Rather than making ethnically disparaging remarks about Chinese cars we should focus on maintaining market share by building quality American cars that get good mileage for a reasonable price. Otherwise we should not be surprised if the Chinese follow the path of the Japanese, who were totally dismissed by Detroit in the 1960s and 1970s.


I'll never buy anything unless its an American owned company, such as Diamler-Chrysler, General Motors, or Ford.

I think hybrids will come mainstream in the next 5-10 years, with every company offering them.

No, you buy "American" because of some idiotic sense then. We make a lot of parts outside the US, and you could just as easily buy European if you're concerned about human rights.



Actually, it is. Daewoo is owned by GM. I mentioned it because is is "considered" an import that has to meet those "stringent" saftey laws.


No, I buy American because I'm proud of my country, and I want to give people in my country my hard earned money, I despise imports, because I oppose a global marketplace. I oppose globalization and the NWO, which is the father of globalization.

So far, intelligent discussion... but could we avoid using racial slurs, please? It's not necessary by any means.

Sure thing.

I'm the kind of guy who does NOT find applying racist titles to people funny, and who will quite happily "tattle" as you put it if it means the perpetrators get what they deserve. Justice is justice, and takes precedent above loyalty to individuals.

Justice, NS style justice? Dude you are so harsh. Besides you are intolerant of my life choice to be a bigot. How dare you! :mad:

I'll never buy anything unless its an American owned company, such as Diamler-Chrysler...

My Dad like to buy from Daimler too :D

My Ford Explorer handles fine, and it gets about 17MPG, much better than an Escalade, Expedition, Excursion, Tahoe, Suburban, Landcruiser, or any other "full size" SUV.
Ford Explorer isn't a full-size SUV. The EPA classifies it as a medium SUV. 17 mpg for ANYTHING is too low. Gotta love my Prius--it gets an average of 51.

It's funny though how Yugos never went almost at all but the Chevy Nova, which means "no go" in Spanish, went until you had to junk it it literally fell apart at the seams.

My Dad had a college case study on GM's attempts to sell the car in Mexico. My Econ teacher said he had a Nova that ran for 11 years with no problems. He sold it to a student and it went another 5 or 6 years without any major issues.

I'll never buy anything unless its an American owned company, such as Diamler-Chrysler, General Motors, or Ford.

I think hybrids will come mainstream in the next 5-10 years, with every company offering them.
Yeah, Toyota and Honda got WAAAAAY ahead of you there. The Prius is already in its second generation. Besides, the "Daimler" in Daimler-Chrysler is GERMAN. I will never buy anything but Japanese because it simply has by far the best reliability. Consumer Reports ranked the six most reliable brands as Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Acura, Infiniti, and Mazda. In fact, the top TEN brands are Japanese. Only one Japanese name plate was below average. The rest of the "below average" (22 others) were entirely made up of European and American makes. Face it--Japanese cars are not crap.

My Dad had a college case study on GM's attempts to sell the car in Mexico. My Econ teacher said he had a Nova that ran for 11 years with no problems. He sold it to a student and it went another 5 or 6 years without any major issues.
The Chevy Nova's of the 1980's were just rebadged Toyota Corollas at a slightly cheaper price. I would know. My dad had one from 1988 to 1994.

talking about oversized engines...my friend in London tells me that his mazda3 has a 1400cc engine...

here in America they same car comes with a 2000cc !!!
mamouth engines for sensible egoes ...

Big Engine = small cojones

Most people say "Jap", because its easy to say compared to "Japanese". I could also say "nip"...
Why say either if they were found offensive to Japanese people?

Ford Explorer isn't a full-size SUV. The EPA classifies it as a medium SUV. 17 mpg for ANYTHING is too low. Gotta love my Prius--it gets an average of 51.

I've never heard of the Prius getting 51, but I guess it depends on how much driving you do...

I never said it was, I was simply comparing it to full size useless SUV's.

Face it--Japanese cars are not crap.

Face it-- I'm more patriotic because I prefer American cars.

I'll never buy anything unless its an American owned company, such as Diamler-Chrysler, General Motors, or Ford.

I think hybrids will come mainstream in the next 5-10 years, with every company offering them.
Daimler-Chrysler is owned by the German company (Daimler, Mercedes-Benz).

talking about oversized engines...my friend in London tells me that his mazda3 has a 1400cc engine...

here in America they same car comes with a 2000cc !!!
mamouth engines for sensible egoes ...

Big Engine = small cojones

Since I was going to respond with a remark about blacks that might be considered racist, I'm not going to. But by your logic, somoene that owns a Ferrari has some of the smallest balls ever...

Daimler-Chrysler is owned by the German company (Daimler, Mercedes-Benz).

shhhhhh

I'll drive some European cars...

Yeah, Toyota and Honda got WAAAAAY ahead of you there. The Prius is already in its second generation. Besides, the "Daimler" in Daimler-Chrysler is GERMAN. I will never buy anything but Japanese because it simply has by far the best reliability. Consumer Reports ranked the six most reliable brands as Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Acura, Infiniti, and Mazda. In fact, the top TEN brands are Japanese. Only one Japanese name plate was below average. The rest of the "below average" (22 others) were entirely made up of European and American makes. Face it--Japanese cars are not crap.
That is probably one of the only statements you've made in the forums that I COMPLETELY agree with. :)

shhhhhh

I'll drive some European cars...
(I'll try to keep it down) :D

well didnt they say the same you guys are saying when Japanese cars came out? next thing you know theres a civic around every corner..

Lets see, you dont have to buy them but when they're the latest craze i can picture the next generation civic

My Ford Explorer handles fine, and it gets about 17MPG, much better than an Escalade, Expedition, Excursion, Tahoe, Suburban, Landcruiser, or any other "full size" SUV.

Umm...just a heads-up those are all domestic vehicles. In fact, I worked at the GM Arlington Assembly Plant, where they make Escalades, Tahoes, Suburbans, and Yukons. (An Escalade is just a Tahoe with a diffrent engine and a couple of diffrent body panels glued on, don't let anyone tell you diffrent.) Gives you a diffrent perspective on the auto industry.

Umm...just a heads-up those are all domestic vehicles. In fact, I worked at the GM Arlington Assembly Plant, where they make Escalades, Tahoes, Suburbans, and Yukons. (An Escalade is just a Tahoe with a diffrent engine and a couple of diffrent body panels glued on, don't let anyone tell you diffrent.) Gives you a diffrent perspective on the auto industry.
Landcruiser is Toyota - Japanese.

Face it-- I'm more patriotic because I prefer American cars.
*please stand up*

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
And I also pledge my loyalty to my Rolex wearing Turkish Mechanic
and to make him very rich...
I pledge allegiance to Chevrolet,DaimlerChrysler,Lincoln,
And each person entitled to be treated justly, fairly, and according to proper law and principle...as long as they buy,buy...and keep buying...under the Divine providence of God.

No, I buy American because I'm proud of my country, and I want to give people in my country my hard earned money, I despise imports, because I oppose a global marketplace. I oppose globalization and the NWO, which is the father of globalization.

Insane Right-Wing conspiracy theory form #2372: Globalisation

Please cross the appropriate boxes with your answer/s.

Globalisation is all some giant conspriacy organised by the:

[ ]Masons
[ ]Jews
[ ]Reds
[ ]Pinkos
[ ]Filthy (insert people here)

to:

[ ]Destroy America
[ ]Destroy the (insert race here) race
[ ]Subvert us all to an elite group of individuals intent on destroying personal freedom
[ ]Create a world inhabitable only by (aliens/robots/jam jars/insert random species or object here).

It couldn't be a perfectly natural response to economic conditions, could it? Nah, never. :rolleyes:

Also, does it not occur to you that the reason those people aren't getting their hard-earned money (aside from the fact that America employs capitalism as an economic system) is because the products they make are inferior to those "despicable" imports? Perhaps people buy those imports because they're *gasp!* better than the domestic product?

... has some of the smallest balls ever...
they say someone with a Big engine may have a size complex...

... somoene that owns a Ferrari has some of the smallest balls ever...
Also a Ferrari is not a "Big" car with an Bulky engine, Its a racing car with a racing engine...

Just the brakes on a ferrari are more expensive than the Bulky engine on a Ford Explorer.

Also a Ferrari is not a "Big" car with an Bulky engine, Its a racing car with a racing engine...

Just the brakes on a ferrari are more expensive than the Bulky engine on a Ford Explorer.


But a Ferrari has a V-12, which is a large engine.

But a Ferrari has a V-12, which is a large engine.
I give up..

Insane Right-Wing conspiracy theory form #2372: Globalisation

Please cross the appropriate boxes with your answer/s.

Globalisation is all some giant conspriacy organised by the:

[ ]Masons
[ ]Jews
[ ]Reds
[ ]Pinkos
[X]Filthy (Corporations and elitists)

to:

[X]Destroy America
[ ]Destroy the (insert race here) race
[X]Subvert us all to an elite group of individuals intent on destroying personal freedom
[ ]Create a world inhabitable only by (aliens/robots/jam jars/insert random species or object here).

It couldn't be a perfectly natural response to economic conditions, could it? Nah, never. :rolleyes:

Also, does it not occur to you that the reason those people aren't getting their hard-earned money (aside from the fact that America employs capitalism as an economic system) is because the products they make are inferior to those "despicable" imports? Perhaps people buy those imports because they're *gasp!* better than the domestic product?

Its all import shit to me, I never buy (racial slur) shit, because the products are very low quality.

Not necessarily. a V-12 500CC engine will (as I recall) develop less power than a V-6 2.3L engine. Aside from that fatuous interlude, however, you do have a point. I've taken to shouting "pr*ck extension!" at anyone driving a large, expensive car like a BMW at speed.

Its all import shit to me, I never buy (racial slur) shit, because the products are very low quality.

*Sigh* The fact is they're not. Said "import shit" often has a higher quality and better overall capability than most American kit, which is why Westinghous isn't the force it once was when compared with Sony.

That is probably one of the only statements you've made in the forums that I COMPLETELY agree with. :)
Yes, away from abortions and onto domestics vs. imports!

Well anyways... I'm going to speak with my dad about replacing the "family car" AKA "my car" with a "Lincoln Town Car". What stuff have you guys got to say about that?

Are Scions japanes or chiness either way i like them better then the crappy Kia i just got and the oldmosbile that my folks want to throw on me. anyways i think most imported things are better then things made at home, i once bought a hammer that said made in the USA and the handle cracked after only a couple of uses.

suv's should be outlawed! I think that anything that gets less than 25 miles per gallon is a terrible waste. On the other hand, the more gas/oil americans buy, the more the government pays me to live here...My corolla gets 27 in town, 35-39 highway. good thing when gas is $2.12 a gallon.

suv's should be outlawed! I think that anything that gets less than 25 miles per gallon is a terrible waste.

wat about the new once in the making the hybrid? Ford just introduce a Explore Hybrid that gets 30 in town and 31-32 on the high-way. i think thats pretty darn good and when i get my first brand new car i want it to be that or once again a Scion

Wouldnt surprise me if China managed to get a foothold into the US. What do you think the Japanese did to unseat US automakers in the 1960s and 70s? You could get a Japanese car for cheap in the US because regulations werent so high back then but US autos were of better quality and more expensive..however in Japan if you wanted to buy a US auto tariffs were so high that owning a US built vehicle was equal to owning a Ferrari.

What we're seeing with China is a fair balance of trade..but the Chinese ripping off of US designs..GMC suing a Chinese automaker for copying a US designed vehicle and so forth..

suv's should be outlawed! I think that anything that gets less than 25 miles per gallon is a terrible waste. On the other hand, the more gas/oil americans buy, the more the government pays me to live here...My corolla gets 27 in town, 35-39 highway. good thing when gas is $2.12 a gallon.

My Explorer gets 17 average. The Lincoln Town car I want should get around 20.

As stated in other threads, that I myself have made, SUV's and trucks are not a waste. 18 Wheelers get 8 miles per gallon, and most heavy trucks for construction, moving, and real jobs get poor mileage too. Farms have trucks, should those be outlawed? Fire Trucks I'd bet, get bad gas mileage, same with ambulances.

What is your job?

wat about the new once in the making the hybrid? Ford just introduce a Explore Hybrid that gets 30 in town and 31-32 on the high-way. i think thats pretty darn good and when i get my first brand new car i want it to be that or once again a Scion

The Escape, I assume you mean...

Hybrids will enter all SUV sizes soon, (5-10 years) I assume.

I must rephrase, pardon me
I think suv's that get less than 25 mpg should be outlawed. Also, fyi the Ford escape hybrid technology is lisenced from Toyota, just so y'all know that. Ford is using Japanese technology. Maybe y'all who don't like foreign cars won't buy ford now?

My job? I work in the shoe department at the local Big box retailer. The government payment works like this....

You (or me) buy's oil/gas, increasing or maintaining demand
Oil companies pump oil,sell oil, and pay income tax
a portion of the income tax goes into the Permanent Fund
The permanent fund gets invested in stocks, bonds, Mutual funds, real estate
The permanent fund gains interest
The interest is divided up among the residents of Alaska...
The government pays me to live here...
Which is really a nice bonus for living in a state where wages are some of the highest in the nation, there is no state income, sales, or property tax, and I can hunt to provide almost all the meat I need for the year, so my cost of living is low.

Are Scions japanes or chiness either way i like them better then the crappy Kia i just got and the oldmosbile that my folks want to throw on me. anyways i think most imported things are better then things made at home, i once bought a hammer that said made in the USA and the handle cracked after only a couple of uses.

Scion is a subgroup of Toyota (as is Lexus). So you bought a Japanese car.
On another note, those are some weird looking cars...

My job? I work in the shoe department at the local Big box retailer. The government payment works like this....

You (or me) buy's oil/gas, increasing or maintaining demand
Oil companies pump oil,sell oil, and pay income tax
a portion of the income tax goes into the Permanent Fund
The permanent fund gets invested in stocks, bonds, Mutual funds, real estate
The permanent fund gains interest
The interest is divided up among the residents of Alaska...
The government pays me to live here...
Which is really a nice bonus for living in a state where wages are some of the highest in the nation, there is no state income, sales, or property tax, and I can hunt to provide almost all the meat I need for the year, so my cost of living is low.

I didn't know Alaska had high wages, I thought it was a rural state...

I must rephrase, pardon me
I think suv's that get less than 25 mpg should be outlawed. Also, fyi the Ford escape hybrid technology is lisenced from Toyota, just so y'all know that. Ford is using Japanese technology. Maybe y'all who don't like foreign cars won't buy ford now?


No, Ford researched it on their own, otherwise. CEO Bill Ford stated that he wanted to make Ford green when he took over as CEO in 1999. Thats why Ford is behind Toyota...

Toyota licensed there hybrid tech to Ford. You will find a article about it here
www.commentwire.com/commwire_story.asp?commentwire_id=5398
or you can google it.

Alaska has the 15th highest wages in 2002, and going up every year...minimum wage is $7.15 if you would like to know.

Toyota licensed there hybrid tech to Ford. You will find a article about it here
www.commentwire.com/commwire_story.asp?commentwire_id=5398
or you can google it.

Alaska has the 15th highest wages in 2002, and going up every year...minimum wage is $7.15 if you would like to know.

damn japs...

Thats better than Massachusetts' minimum wage... I don't know what the wages are here, but like most blue state's I'd guess their near the top.

I must rephrase, pardon me
I think suv's that get less than 25 mpg should be outlawed. Also, fyi the Ford escape hybrid technology is lisenced from Toyota, just so y'all know that. Ford is using Japanese technology. Maybe y'all who don't like foreign cars won't buy ford now?
And no exception for need?

I'm wondering if there were African cars, would all you racist idiots be okay with calling them "******-_____"

I'm wondering if there were African cars, would all you racist idiots be okay with calling them "******-_____"
No (though I dont concider myself racist)

No (though I dont concider myself racist)

Well, I don't know if you tried to think of a cool new term for supposedly inferior Chinese cars or continue to use "Jap crap." Those are the racists.

Well, I don't know if you tried to think of a cool new term for supposedly inferior Chinese cars or continue to use "Jap crap." Those are the racists.

So everyone that called the Japanese "japs" during WWII was racist?

I'm wondering if there were African cars, would all you racist idiots be okay with calling them "******-_____"

As demonstarted in Africa, they can't even manufacture anything. Whenever a factory is built there, it needs to be guarded by ~3 fences topped with razor wire.

And I'm not a racist. Nor an idiot.

So everyone that called the Japanese "japs" during WWII was racist?

Uhh...yeah? It's a racial slur, man. That's what it is.

As demonstarted in Africa, they can't even manufacture anything. Whenever a factory is built there, it needs to be guarded by ~3 fences topped with razor wire.

And I'm not a racist. Nor an idiot.

I'm not discussing logistics. I'm discussing unabashed casual use of derragatory racist language.

I'm still angry at the Huns for bombing Pearl Harbor with their Mercedes and BMW engines. :mad:


The "HUNS" were Germans, as were Mercedes and BMW German Designs. It was the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor.

This is an example of the Average American's intellegence. Ignorant of everything foreign, thinking that they are the greatest, and everyone else sucks.

Yes, I'm Chinese.

I'm not discussing logistics. I'm discussing unabashed casual use of derragatory racist language.

Jap is not a racist term. It is no more racist than calling someone thats Scottish, a Scot.

Jap is not a racist term. It is no more racist than calling someone thats Scottish, a Scot.

Actually, it is. Scot is the technical term for one originating from Sctoland, just as Briton is for Britain or American for America. You calling a Japanese (man/woman, I assume) a Jap is roughly analogous to me calling an African a wog, or at the very least calling an American a yank.

Actually, it is. Scot is the technical term for one originating from Sctoland, just as Briton is for Britain or American for America. You calling a Japanese (man/woman, I assume) a Jap is roughly analogous to me calling an African a wog, or at the very least calling an American a yank.

Yeah, and Jap used to be the term for someone from Japan.

The "HUNS" were Germans, as were Mercedes and BMW German Designs. It was the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor.

This is an example of the Average American's intellegence. Ignorant of everything foreign, thinking that they are the greatest, and everyone else sucks.

Yes, I'm Chinese.
Knock it off.


Actually, it is. Scot is the technical term for one originating from Sctoland, just as Briton is for Britain or American for America. You calling a Japanese (man/woman, I assume) a Jap is roughly analogous to me calling an African a wog, or at the very least calling an American a yank.
"Jap" is a term of questionable acceptance. We Moderators will judge its use depending upon the context. Different terms have different connotations depending upon where they are read.


--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

Yeah, and Jap used to be the term for someone from Japan.
Also "Nip" short for Nippon, and "Yid" short for Yiddish, and "Kike" short for Jew, and "******" short for Afro American, "Wop" short for Italian, and that list goes on you right wing racist Republican scumbag. That's short for "Bush Supporter". :D

Also "Nip" short for Nippon, and "Yid" short for Yiddish, and "Kike" short for Jew, and "******" short for Afro American, "Wop" short for Italian, and that list goes on you right wing racist Republican scumbag. That's short for "Bush Supporter". :D
I say again, knock it off.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

OK omit the scumbag. :D

Knock it off.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

I will knock it off, but I found the term Chink Shit or whatever to be highly insulting. It was an unprevoked attack.

Yeah why do the mods allow racist insults to non whites, but crawl all over everyone that dares respond back in like terms to white conservative Americans or Europeans.

Yeah why do the mods allow racist insults to non whites, but crawl all over everyone that dares respond back in like terms to white conservative Americans or Europeans.

I'm not a conservative. And last time I checked, Jew's were white, as are Italians.

Also "Nip" short for Nippon, and "Yid" short for Yiddish, and "Kike" short for Jew, and "******" short for Afro American, "Wop" short for Italian, and that list goes on you right wing racist Republican scumbag. That's short for "Bush Supporter". :D

I'm not a Bush supporter, nor am I a Republican or a racist.

No, I buy American because I'm proud of my country, and I want to give people in my country my hard earned money, I despise imports, because I oppose a global marketplace. I oppose globalization and the NWO, which is the father of globalization.


I'll never buy anything unless its an American owned company, such as Diamler-Chrysler, General Motors, or Ford.

I think hybrids will come mainstream in the next 5-10 years, with every company offering them.

The Diamler portion of Diamler-Chrysler is in charge. Diamler-Chrysler is German, make no deluded mistake and pretend its American. The Crossfire, the 300, german cars designed by germans and built in America. The buck stops in Germany, not America.

Which is the same reason why buying Volvo, Aston Martin, Saab and Mazda is as patriotic as buying Ford/GM respectively.

I will knock it off, but I found the term Chink Shit or whatever to be highly insulting. It was an unprevoked attack.

It was thinking of things that rhyme with "Jap Crap". A mod told us to stop, and we did after someone said "g--k".

The Diamler portion of Diamler-Chrysler is in charge. Diamler-Chrysler is German, make no deluded mistake and pretend its American. The Crossfire, the 300, german cars designed by germans and built in America. The buck stops in Germany, not America.

Which is the same reason why buying Volvo, Aston Martin, Saab and Mazda is as patriotic as buying Ford/GM respectively.


Good point. Cadillacs are as good as a Mercedes.

Good point. Cadillacs are as good as a Mercedes.

A friend of mine owns a Cadillac dealership. Even he won't say that. rotflmao. I love the CTS-V and I like the XLR, but a Cadillac is not as a good as Mercedes, let alone a proper BMW. LOL.

It was thinking of things that rhyme with "Jap Crap". A mod told us to stop, and we did after someone said "g--k".


So, just because you were having a little fun justifies you making racist comments?

I'm not a conservative. And last time I checked, Jew's were white, as are Italians.



I'm not a Bush supporter, nor am I a Republican or a racist.

Well I'm sorry that I got you confused with the neocons on this forum. If such a thing happened to me I'd be livid. Your forbearance is commendable.

Speaking of Asian Nations making bad automobiles is a laugh when you consider that the worst manufactured cars in the last fifty years came from the UK and the USA 1974-1989.

The "HUNS" were Germans, as were Mercedes and BMW German Designs. It was the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor.

This is an example of the Average American's intellegence. Ignorant of everything foreign, thinking that they are the greatest, and everyone else sucks.

Yes, I'm Chinese.


Thanks, master of the obvious. You win a gold star! :)
I guess they didn't teach you about humor in China. If you don't know it I was making a funny, sort of like Bluto did when he had his rant in Animal House.

As demonstarted in Africa, they can't even manufacture anything. Whenever a factory is built there, it needs to be guarded by ~3 fences topped with razor wire.

And I'm not a racist. Nor an idiot.

Would narrow-minded nationalist be a preferable description?

Would narrow-minded nationalist be a preferable description?


Yes. I'm against foreign trade with non-allied countries, the WTO, NAFTA, and any other globalist plot.

I'm not a conservative. And last time I checked, Jew's were white, as are Italians.

Fist off, Jews are not necessarily white, if you look at the history of the Jewish people you will find that the Hebrews as they were called were actually Middle Eastern (what we would know today as Israelis) yet were driven off their land and thus migrated to Europe making the supposed "white" Jew.

Yes. I'm against foreign trade with non-allied countries, the WTO, NAFTA, and any other globalist plot.

So you're saying you disagree with trade with China? See, that's just stupid because it would ruin our economy if we didn't.

Fist off, Jews are not necessarily white, if you look at the history of the Jewish people you will find that the Hebrews as they were called were actually Middle Eastern (what we would know today as Israelis) yet were driven off their land and thus migrated to Europe making the supposed "white" Jew.

Yeah, but Jews have white skin, and they tend to look like whichever country they emmigrated from before coming to the states.

So you're saying you disagree with trade with China? See, that's just stupid because it would ruin our economy if we didn't.


No, they are the primary reason why the US has such a large trade deficit. Almost every time manufacturing jobs are outsourced they go to China. It would provide nothing but help if we stopped trading with China, they can't afford to buy anything from us because their government keeps the currency down.

Well in my history books it was the Huns who flew the planes, and the krauts who skippered the boats to get there. The Japanese were easy scapegoats. This is the truth as it appears on the internetS.

Goddamn

I've been reading this thread (i don't know why) and you are an idiotic no-brainer.typically american.Your little history lesson was very mis-informed.I don't care if you make out it was a joke because everyone's now told you how dumb you are.

i work in an automotive engineering department at a leading university and you don't know what you're talking about.Euro-Asia ties are strong and they are producing exceptionally advanced engine designs.America barely touches the side of the pool.

And the terrible racist slurs in this thread make me sick.

It'll never happen, thats a total loss of freedom. A car is freedom.

Your racist comments are pointless.

You think you live in a free country.You are more stupid than I thought.

You are correct about cars never being banned in the USA.Petrol (and cars that consume too much) is what your country's fake economy runs on,along with weapons,hence the reason Dubya went back to finish off his daddy's war.

Wake UP!!USA u are not free unless you do something about it.

Your racist comments are pointless.

You think you live in a free country.You are more stupid than I thought.

You are correct about cars never being banned in the USA.Petrol (and cars that consume too much) is what your country's fake economy runs on,along with weapons,hence the reason Dubya went back to finish off his daddy's war.

Wake UP!!USA u are not free unless you do something about it.


I know this is not a free country, with the NWO and all, but it is more free than most european countries.

Fake economy? We have more manufacturing than britian, which is Service based.

I am fighting the NWO in an infowar.

Goddamn

I've been reading this thread (i don't know why) and you are an idiotic no-brainer.typically american.Your little history lesson was very mis-informed.I don't care if you make out it was a joke because everyone's now told you how dumb you are.

i work in an automotive engineering department at a leading university and you don't know what you're talking about.Euro-Asia ties are strong and they are producing exceptionally advanced engine designs.America barely touches the side of the pool.

And the terrible racist slurs in this thread make me sick.


Dude, grow a skin. It's called humor. You are a typical European, always feeling inferior (you in particular should feel that way). Thanks for pointing out that my little "history" lesson was mis-informed. I guess I just didn't know who really attacked Pearl Harbor. Thus you earn yet another gold-star. Anywho as a matter of intelligence, don't you find it dumb to accuse someone over the internet of being dumb. Sort of like winning a special olympics race: Sure you might win the race, but you're still a retard.

Euro-Asia ties are strong huh? Well, just wait till China targets your markets with massive product introductions. Oops they already are, and you Euro's aren't exactly thrilled with all of that.

BTW I drive for the sheer enjoyment (actually since I have no limbs I ride along and pretend to drive) of the experience, who cares about fuel mileage or whatnaut. You people still can't make a lower cost, decent sports car.

PS-So racial slurs make you sick huh? I'd hate to see you in the real world, make sure you have vomit-dry and/or a bucket.

Don't even try to call me some old fuddy duddy for loving Cadillac.


Cadillacs will always be cool.

they say someone with a Big engine may have a size complex...


It's been an ongoing joke with the Corvette for years. :p

Actually, it is. Scot is the technical term for one originating from Sctoland, just as Briton is for Britain or American for America. You calling a Japanese (man/woman, I assume) a Jap is roughly analogous to me calling an African a wog, or at the very least calling an American a yank.


And I have no problem being called a "Yankee - Yank" Though I am not a "Yankee" , I am from the south. But I understand that foreigners do not understand that and I understand that they are just meaning an American, possibly a White American. Even if it did offend me being called a "Yank" I wouldn't have the gall to think that 100,000's of people should change how they speak to accomodate me. That would be My problem of being offended. I have a choice to Not be offended.

Okay, I've had enough of this nonsense.

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