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A lot of people think liberals stand for liberty when I think these quotes pretty much prove otherwise and you'd be pretty surpised to see who said them. There's more to the topic... what do you guys think?
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"When personal freedom is being abused, you have to limit it."

"I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years."

"Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license & all potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes only to citizens chosen for childbearing."

"In South Africa we'd call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany we'd call it fascism. Here [in the U.S.] we call it conservatism."
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- James Carville
- Ex-President Lyndon Johnson
- David Brower, Founder of Friends of the Earth, 2x nominee for Nobel Peace Prize
- Reverend Jesse Jackson

Ooh, four quotes. Clearly indicitive of every single liberal person in the world ever. Very good. You've proven your point without a shadow of a doubt.

A lot of people think liberals stand for liberty when I think these quotes pretty much prove otherwise and you'd be pretty surpised to see who said them. There's more to the topic... what do you guys think?
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"When personal freedom is being abused, you have to limit it."

"I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years."

"Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license & all potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes only to citizens chosen for childbearing."

"In South Africa we'd call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany we'd call it fascism. Here [in the U.S.] we call it conservatism."
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- Ex-President James Carville
- Ex-President Lyndon Johnson
- David Brower, Founder of Friends of the Earth, 2x nominee for Nobel Peace Prize
- Reverend Jesse Jackson


I think that choosing three quotes from democrats and claiming that the entire party is hypocritical is stupid.

And for the kajillionth time, equating liberal with democrat doesn't work. So stop with the identical flame threads and move on.

*sigh*
SOME liberals are hypocrits. SOME conservatives are hypocrits.
Most moderates are...moderate.
And the sky is green.

Like I said there's more to the topic, I'm just saying in general people that are such "freedom fighters" don't seem to stand for very liberal things. Just trying to open up a conversation I know there's more to it haha I'm not that nieve.

And there's OBVIOUSLY a connection between being liberal and being a democrat and vice versa being a conservative and being republican. I personally am not a fan of people having die hard party affiliations however in terms of liberal "leaders" democratic heavyweights can easily be considered such.

When did James Carville become president?

If all we're going on is quotes using words like "niggers" I think someone trying to prove the liberal point would win.

and the James Carvelle thing I was wondering about myself.

When did James Carville become president?

* I mixed that quote up with a Jimmy Carter quote and forgot to take out the "ex-president" thing *

Like I said there's more to the topic, I'm just saying in general people that are such "freedom fighters" don't seem to stand for very liberal things. Just trying to open up a conversation I know there's more to it haha I'm not that nieve.

That's still a gross generalization. And yes, I think you are "naive" if you believe that 3 people equates "in general".

* I mixed that quote up with a Jimmy Carter quote and forgot to take out the "ex-president" thing *

Really?

You can't tell the difference between Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton and get the quote wrong anyhow (“When personal freedom is being abused, you have to move to limit it.")?

How hard can it be to cut and paste?

[FONT=Century Gothic][COLOR=DarkSlateGray]A lot of people think liberals stand for liberty when I think these quotes pretty much prove otherwise and you'd be pretty surpised to see who said them. There's more to the topic... what do you guys think?
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"When personal freedom is being abused, you have to limit it."

Consevatives say sam,e thing about abortion so that is not that bad.

"I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years."

Back than it was not as bad a word. It waas the word used to identify a person of color.

"Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license & all potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes only to citizens chosen for childbearing."

I'm all for license for childbearing. Too many mothers out of wedlock.

"In South Africa we'd call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany we'd call it fascism. Here [in the U.S.] we call it conservatism."

- Reverend Jesse Jackson is right there. Fascism seperated people like Apartied. Conservatves do same to left.

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I think both liberals and conservatives are hypocrites - they both favor freedom in one area of your life (either personal or economic) but want to restrict the other one in the name of the common good

(I'm libertarian, so that means u have BOTH types of freeodm)

Really?

You can't tell the difference between Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton and get the quote wrong anyhow (“When personal freedom is being abused, you have to move to limit it.")?

How hard can it be to cut and paste?

Somehow I doubt they're cutting and pasting.

Somehow I doubt they're cutting and pasting.
pressing ctrl+c and ctrl+v takes a certain degree of dexterity that some people lack

*applause*
He knows how to use copy and paste. Thanks for shareing.

And conservatives who want small governments want bans on gay marriage and abortion and have groups like the PTC and... oh wait, crap.

pressing ctrl+c and ctrl+v takes a certain degree of dexterity that some people lack

As has been proven:

* I mixed that quote up with a Jimmy Carter quote and forgot to take out the "ex-president" thing *

It is an exercise best left for the reader to consider whether physical or mental dexterity is at issue here.

A lot of people think liberals stand for liberty when I think these quotes pretty much prove otherwise and you'd be pretty surpised to see who said them. There's more to the topic... what do you guys think?
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"When personal freedom is being abused, you have to limit it."

"I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years."

"Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license & all potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes only to citizens chosen for childbearing."

"In South Africa we'd call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany we'd call it fascism. Here [in the U.S.] we call it conservatism."
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- James Carville
- Ex-President Lyndon Johnson
- David Brower, Founder of Friends of the Earth, 2x nominee for Nobel Peace Prize
- Reverend Jesse Jackson


Grasping at straws is a pretty sad hobby.

I think that choosing three quotes from democrats and claiming that the entire party is hypocritical is stupid.

And for the kajillionth time, equating liberal with democrat doesn't work. So stop with the identical flame threads and move on.
When did he claim that "liberals" were a party? (Well, assuming he's not talking about the Canadian or Australian political parties).

You're equating liberal with Democrat (that's a capital D [a democrat believes in democray; a Democrat is a member of the US political party]).

I was just going to type BLAH BLAH BLAH upon seeing the title, but upon reading the post, I decided it would be even easier to shoot down.

First, I agree with James Carville, after all what do you consider prison?

LBJ may have been a democrat but he was far from liberal.

I haven't even heard of the third guy, and membership to an environmental group does not ensure liberalism.

Jesse Jackson is a opportunist and talking head, he says asinine things in order to make money through interviews and publicity.

Mungeria, as much as I would like to agree with you, I can't for three basic reasons:

1. Four quotes aren't enough to hold up your argument.
2. You haven't accounted for conservative hypocrites (i.e. John McCain, Arlen Specter, etc.)
3. Actually, there were just two. I'm too lazy to think of a third.

""When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.""

All conservatives are teh ebil!!!oneoneone

A lot of people think liberals stand for liberty when I think these quotes pretty much prove otherwise and you'd be pretty surpised to see who said them.

Well, if a lot of people think that liberal=liberty.... then a lot of people are pretty clueless.

lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)

1 Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.


Nope. Nothing about liberty there...

There's more to the topic... what do you guys think?
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"When personal freedom is being abused, you have to limit it."

"I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years."

"Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license & all potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes only to citizens chosen for childbearing."

"In South Africa we'd call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany we'd call it fascism. Here [in the U.S.] we call it conservatism."
______

- James Carville
- Ex-President Lyndon Johnson
- David Brower, Founder of Friends of the Earth, 2x nominee for Nobel Peace Prize
- Reverend Jesse Jackson


And exactly which of these quotes makes the person "a hypocrite"?

hypocrite
n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold

Really, which of those statements was made contrary to the speakers actual viewpoint?

Or do you honestly think that all people who define themselves as Liberals (not to be confused with liberty) have identical viewpoints on every single issue in life?


Might I suggest that you learn the basic definitions of what it is you are trying to argue. Otherwise you might just make yourself look foolish.....

""When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.""

All conservatives are teh ebil!!!oneoneone
No wait!! You need 3 more quotes. Then all conservatives are evil. I invented a mathematical formula for this:
1q+2q+1q-commonsense=EVIL!!!!!!!

"There ought to be limits to freedom!" - George W. Bush

I guess that makes all conservatives freedom-hating too, huh?

Ok, ALL OF US ARE LIBERALS.

Liberal ideology is simply this:
1) every person is born free and equal (thus freedom of oppourtunity)

It's how we achieve it that's different. Right wingers or conservatives are now "neoliberal" as in the very first liberal thinkers; John Locke, Adam Smith. They believed in small government and the protection of property from gov. They lived in the times of struggles between the Monarchy and the people.

Later the industrial revolution came around and there was widespread economic disparities then "reform liberalism" was invented. They are now the left wing. They believed that government should guarentee certain things to provide freedom of oppourtunity; free education, free healthcare, yadda, yadda, yadda.

So before you all rip each others heads off think about this: we are dedicated to a better life for our homeland, all we disagree about is how to get there. None of us (I'm hoping) are neo-nazis trying to take over the world with the Dr. Evil laugh and upside down pinkie.

I know rushed and generalized but read yourself:
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761552311/Liberalism.html

also democracy and liberalism is two different things, you'll be astounded how different they are from both your country and ideologies. Democracy is simply majority rule; one can argue that North Vietnam was a democracy and the Soviet Union (only because they'd kill anyone who would disagree). Elections, freedom of speech, that's all liberal ideology.

If you think about it.

Everyone is a hypocrite. Everyone in this world has said something and done the exact opposite. Everyone has given advise that they themselves do not take.

If you think about it.

Everyone is a hypocrite. Everyone in this world has said something and done the exact opposite. Everyone has given advise that they themselves do not take.
you're right, but its about who's the bigger one

Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license & all potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes only to citizens chosen for childbearing."


i actually agree with the above quote, seriously. It might be taken as eugenics, but its not to breed better people, its to keep immature little teenagers and self absorbed adults like my aunt from having kids and being a terrible parent. They put people who want to adopt kids through pretty rigorous screening, so why not the general populous too...

Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license & all potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes only to citizens chosen for childbearing."


i actually agree with the above quote, seriously. It might be taken as eugenics, but its not to breed better people, its to keep immature little teenagers and self absorbed adults like my aunt from having kids and being a terrible parent. They put people who want to adopt kids through pretty rigorous screening, so why not the general populous too...

A lot of the worlds greatest men come from the worst of backgrounds.

A lot of the worlds greatest men come from the worst of backgrounds.

Salvondia is right! Bhetoven (sic) had a terrible family life yet was one of the greatest composers of all time. His father was an alcoholic, his mother has various STD's and seven childred. They were all abused by the father it was basically a disaster area... and yet he thrived. So these "forced living" could eliminate somebody that may have cured AIDS you know?

Most liberals are hyprocitical at some point or another.
Most conservatives are hypocritical at some point or another.
Most people are hypocritical at some point or another.

I've been hypocritical before.

And I challenge anybody to prove that they've never been hypocritical.

Well, if a lot of people think that liberal=liberty.... then a lot of people are pretty clueless.

lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)

1 Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.


Nope. Nothing about liberty there...


However, it does mention liberalism:

lib·er·al·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr--lzm, lbr-)

1. The state or quality of being liberal.
2.
a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
b. often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party.
3. An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.
4. Liberalism
a. A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.
b. A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.

Ok, I find absolutely nothing wrong with the last quote. Why is that included in your post?