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This question comes from many Debates with my father. He belives it is more likey that we will see a female president before a black president. It seems to me alot of America are either raciest or sexist maybe not openly but these thing would play a part in how people vote. I personally think we will see a black president first just b/c he will be a he. Most people seem to stereotype women as weak leaders, nuts, and other things. I think a women would be a good leader however I do think women are nutz. This come from most of my best friends being female (seeing how they react in relationships other friendships), my mothers struggle to keep sane(menapuse), and the mood swing they all have incommon. However there is a big exception to this and its women like Hillery Clinton and Laura Bush. These women are strong leaders, they know how to deal with stressful situations and they would make a great president. A black president might be seen first b/c its easyer to break the colour barrier then the sex barrier. I would like to see what u people think.




*And i would like to say i'm not sexist or a raciest. This whole thing came up when i told my father that one day i wanted to be president, but being cuban (born here) it would be very hard, and with a like Christopher Hernandez I might have to change my name to Jeffer Smith. :headbang: *

I don't care about the color of his or her skin, I don't care about his or her gender.

I just want to vote for somebody who can actually save this country. Al Sharpton is good, but not good enough. Braun was just a joke. Hilary Clinton seems like a better canidate, but I want to see how she fares in the primaries.

I don't think it's a question of racism or sexism, it's a question of who seems to be the strongest.

I think its more likely to be a female president before a black president to be frank on the current issue. Though I am sure if Colin Powell ran for Presidency as the Republican Candidate against Mister Bill Clinton in 1996 things would be differently perhaps? Right now, the only American woman I think could eventually holding power of such is Hillary Clinton for the time being. Maybe, the first woman will be black? Has that crossed your mind at all if Hillary isnt elected President in 2008?

Maybe we'll be lucky and get a black woman.

But actually, I don't think we'll ever get a president that's not a white guy. Our country is getting worse in the descrimination against women and blacks now, and I doubt it's going to get better. By the time we would have had a non-white man as president, our country will have declined and suffered a cultural, economical, and social collapse. We're already headed along that road.

I really don't like AL Sharpton. I like teh democrat with the funny name. I think it's OmhaBha he seems much better then Al and his words are stronger then his anyday.






*if anyone can fix the name for me i would much appreciate*

I think its more likely to be a female president before a black president to be frank on the current issue. Though I am sure if Colin Powell ran for Presidency as the Republican Candidate against Mister Bill Clinton in 1996 things would be differently perhaps? Right now, the only American woman I think could eventually holding power of such is Hillary Clinton for the time being. Maybe, the first woman will be black? Has that crossed your mind at all if Hillary isnt elected President in 2008?



Honestly i dunno of any black females. The person incharge of the election in florida (where I live) was black but they fired her and replaced her with someother person.

I think we'll see a black male first, though not Oboma; he's too new to the spectrum.

I do not know of any black female politicans in the United States but I am sure there are quite a few non-popular ones for the time being.

I always thought that Condoleeza Rice would probably maybe one day run for president and she would have an incredible chance to win. Which would break both barriers.

I would want Bush to be able to run again before her!

I always thought that Condoleeza Rice would probably maybe one day run for president and she would have an incredible chance to win. Which would break both barriers.
She does have a shot if she manages to make good news as Secretary of State

Condoleeza Rice......naaaah after her infamous seatting before the 9/11 panel i think most people either lost respect or just hated her more. but again just my opinion.

*And i would like to say i'm not sexist or a raciest. This whole thing came up when i told my father that one day i wanted to be president, but being cuban (born here) it would be very hard, and with a like Christopher Hernandez I might have to change my name to Jeffer Smith. :headbang: *
Check my sig, I'm gonna go for it too. Although I also need a name change, it's really hard being in this country with a forgein name.

BTW, I'm half-Colombian, half-Indian. I'm also a Muslim.

Ha, the first Colombian, the first Indian, the first Muslim President.

I'm also going for it, though with a name like Matt Carpenter I might sound too common, I think. >_>

Check my sig, I'm gonna go for it too. Although I also need a name change, it's really hard being in this country with a forgein name.

BTW, I'm half-Colombian, half-Indian. I'm also a Muslim.

Ha, the first Colombian, the first Indian, the first Muslim President.


wow i thought my friend mickey was mixed. He's half cuban and half pakastainy

At the current state of affairs that America is in, Colodia the populus of American voters would not vote for an individual of the Islamic faith. This same reasoning goes behind you as well, Meaning. However you have a greater chance then Colodia because Cuban-American relations are not at heat right now, America and the Islamic Middle East are and this status will probably be a long, long time. I am not trying to racial/religious profile both of you, I am just stating the facts. I am a Canadian citizen so I can't even run for Presidency which I want so much. The same case goes to an American who becomes Canadian who seeks out to become Prime Minister, I do not think a lot of the populus of Canadian voters would vote for that person as well.

My two cents.

At the current state of affairs that America is in, Colodia the populus of American voters would not vote for an individual of the Islamic faith. This same reasoning goes behind you as well, Meaning. However you have a greater chance then Colodia because Cuban-American relations are not at heat right now, America and the Islamic Middle East are and this status will probably be a long, long time. I am not trying to racial/religious profile both of you, I am just stating the facts. I am a Canadian citizen so I can't even run for Presidency which I want so much. The same case goes to an American who becomes Canadian who seeks out to become Prime Minister, I do not think a lot of the populus of Canadian voters would vote for that person as well.

My two cents.
What about me? I'm primarily Caucasian, as I am mixed of mostly European blood with some Cherokee as well.

I always thought that Condoleeza Rice would probably maybe one day run for president and she would have an incredible chance to win. Which would break both barriers.

I agree with you there.

Were I an American and were she running, I would vote for her. She is an extremely intelligent and capable women. The way she chewed up and spit out the NDP leader, Jack Layton, on Bush's last visit to Canada only made me like her more. I just wish she was the one meeting with Martin, he wouldn't have stood a chance either.

I agree with you there.

Were I an American and were she running, I would vote for her. She is an extremely intelligent and capable women. The way she chewed up and spit out the NDP leader, Jack Layton, on Bush's last visit to Canada only made me like her more. I just wish she was the one meeting with Martin, he wouldn't have stood a chance either.
She may be an intelligent woman, but there's no way in hell I'd vote for her. Her mentality is that of the Cold War, and we do not need that any longer.

She may be an intelligent woman, but there's no way in hell I'd vote for her. Her mentality is that of the Cold War, and we do not need that any longer.

Lol. Because Russia suddenly became absolutly peacful after the Wall fell and dismantled all of its spy agencies and foreign secret services. And China was satisfied with Tibet, and could invent all of the technologies necessary for it sustain its development, so it ceased all foreign technological espionage. And both figured they'd stop supplying various factions in the Middle East a decade ago.

Lol. Because Russia suddenly became absolutly peacful after the Wall fell and dismantled all of its spy agencies and foreign secret services. And China was satisfied with Tibet, and could invent all of the technologies necessary for it sustain its development, so it ceased all foreign technological espionage. And both figured they'd stop supplying various factions in the Middle East a decade ago.
>_> I'm just saying that I don't like her; yes, a bit of caution is needed, as espionage will occur regardless, but the Cold War was much more than that; it was an enormous spectrum of political situations, especially the police actions we were performing. We hadn't seen something like those after the collapse of the Soviet Union until the current Iraqi War; and I, for one, don't want to see my country doing anything like that anymore.

>_> I'm just saying that I don't like her; yes, a bit of caution is needed, as espionage will occur regardless, but the Cold War was much more than that; it was an enormous spectrum of political situations, especially the police actions we were performing. We hadn't seen something like those after the collapse of the Soviet Union until the current Iraqi War; and I, for one, don't want to see my country doing anything like that anymore.

We are still dealing with the fallout from the Cold War. The Ukraine is finally pulling itself out from under the boot of Mother Russia. We're still dealing with the damage done to other former Soviet Bloc nations. The mess from the funding of factions in the Middle East by the Chinese, Russians, and Americans are coming to head, and were so years before the US' current actions. China is making moves to break the blockade of the South China Sea which was established in WWII, the Korean War, and the Viet Nam War.

The world has not suddenly changed since the Cold War, nor have the results of it become indiscrete or less of a direct threat. Actions are necessary and have been necessary for decades. It has only been since the strength of Soviet involvment in the region weakened that the Americans have been able to do anything directly. Were it not America (which, along side Britian, were the first nations in history to conquer and rebuild another nation without exthorting and bleeding it dry) now, it would be China in a decade. They would not, and do not, treat conquered and political-satellite nations kindly.


Anywho... I say a black, woman president.

From a UK perspective, I believe a Female President would be more likely. Not that I'm racist, but that there isn't really any difference between white and coloured people. A coloured woman is also a possibility too.
A female president would be an ideal choice for the world.

Think about it

There wouldn't be any weapons that kill....just ones that make you feel really bad.

There wouldn't be any wars. Just 28 days of intense negotiations.

some one foreign born (like arnold) will be president before either a black person or a female. (in spite of the constitution saying you have to be born here)

I always thought that Condoleeza Rice would probably maybe one day run for president and she would have an incredible chance to win. Which would break both barriers.
She parroted whatever Bush said... offered no responsibiluty when she was wrong...who would want her but right wing people?

She parroted whatever Bush said... offered no responsibiluty when she was wrong...who would want her but right wing people?
the only person that ever had a chance i would think is colin powell, but he gave up, and yes if condoleeza i'm-as-dumb-as-a-doorknob rice ran, the dipshits that make up the current republican party would vote her into office, the lying scumbag

And I will make it certain that I'll be the first Canadian to become the President of the United States! :-p

From Europe:

-The US will never have a woman or a black president candidate, who would be able to win. I think that is simply impossible in the current two-party system, if the other party has a white male candidate.

-Also beeing Woman or black in the US, is not an advantage, to put it mildly. Therefore i think a woman or black will never become a serious candidate. Mrs Clinton might be able to run. She would not be able to win... NEVER!? The US is much to conservative, moralistic and traditional with the values.

-In Skandinavia/England/Germany your chance of having a woman as a candidate who could win is much, much, much higher. The US simply do not have the modern values needed for a woman or black to run as a serious candidate!

-Would the republicans today promote a woman or black as a serious candidate!? I dont think so... Maybe in 50 years!?

Harry "the Bastard" (English is not my native language)

I hope its both...Condelezza Rice though Obama does have a great shot at the presidency sometime in the near future.

the only person that ever had a chance i would think is colin powell, but he gave up, and yes if condoleeza i'm-as-dumb-as-a-doorknob rice ran, the dipshits that make up the current republican party would vote her into office, the lying scumbag

How can you possibly suggest she is dumb.

Maybe we'll be lucky and get a black woman.

But actually, I don't think we'll ever get a president that's not a white guy. Our country is getting worse in the descrimination against women and blacks now, and I doubt it's going to get better. By the time we would have had a non-white man as president, our country will have declined and suffered a cultural, economical, and social collapse. We're already headed along that road.

A young poor black jewish woman

So here a new/ addtional question. Why wouldn't a coloured person, or a female ever be president? Most of u say b/c america isn't to that point yet. Even the demorcrats/libers?? or are there numbers to few to make a differents?



in the end i think most of u are right there wouldn't be neither a coloured person or female as president for a long long time. before 2001 yes but now in a nation that is scared it turns to conseritives, which in my opinion turns to a close minded nation. A closed minded nation that will never vote to office anyone who is different or thinks diferently.

I think its more likely to be a female president before a black president to be frank on the current issue. Though I am sure if Colin Powell ran for Presidency as the Republican Candidate against Mister Bill Clinton in 1996 things would be differently perhaps? Right now, the only American woman I think could eventually holding power of such is Hillary Clinton for the time being. Maybe, the first woman will be black? Has that crossed your mind at all if Hillary isnt elected President in 2008?

God help us if Hillary Clinton is elected president.. she'll probably mandate abortion and drive taxes through the roof

before 2001 yes but now in a nation that is scared it turns to conseritives, which in my opinion turns to a close minded nation. A closed minded nation that will never vote to office anyone who is different or thinks diferently.

by that maybe you mean people that stand for morality? i love the 'bigot' label you all slap on there with the 'narrow minded fascists'

God help us if Hillary Clinton is elected president.. she'll probably mandate abortion and drive taxes through the roof
god help us if extreme reactionaries are elected, they'll probably drive the economy through the ground and get us involved in pointless wars all while completely neglecting countries who could really use some humanitarian aid

WHERE ARE YOU GOD?!

by that maybe you mean people that stand for morality? i love the 'bigot' label you all slap on there with the 'narrow minded fascists'


morals are not the same for everyone. morals are like good and bad. for u wat might be good might not be good to me. and whats bad for u not the same to me. And when i say close minded its a person who is not willing to listen to somebody elses point of view, someone who is set in there ways and will not give anyone else a say b/c they don't agree with them

We will see our first balck, female Vice President, Condoleeza Rice, in 2008, alongside President Guliani. And, barring any tragedy, she will be President eight years later.

We will see our first balck, female Vice President, Condoleeza Rice, in 2008, alongside President Guliani. And, barring any tragedy, she will be President eight years later.

And then you wake up and proceed to clean your sheets ;)

Colin Powell would get it if he ran, I believe. Not sure of any other black man that possibly would. I don't see a white woman being president anytime soon. A black woman is a sure possibility.

Obama looks promising, not enough experience for 2008. maybe the democrats will go out a limb and go with Hillary for Prez and Obama VP, then (hopefully) 8 years laters Obama for Prez. Odds of that happening are slim to none, because i think it would either be a total success or complete suicide, depending on what happens between now and 2008.

Obama looks promising, not enough experience for 2008. maybe the democrats will go out a limb and go with Hillary for Prez and Obama VP, then (hopefully) 8 years laters Obama for Prez. Odds of that happening are slim to none, because i think it would either be a total success or complete suicide, depending on what happens between now and 2008.


dude that be an aswome idea i would total vote for that. that never even came to mind

A young poor black jewish woman
don't forget lesbian.

don't forget lesbian.


Already said luara bush or hillary clinton ;)

Already said luara bush or hillary clinton ;)
lacks both funnah-ness and proper spelling

From Europe:

-The US will never have a woman or a black president candidate, who would be able to win. I think that is simply impossible in the current two-party system, if the other party has a white male candidate.

-Also beeing Woman or black in the US, is not an advantage, to put it mildly. Therefore i think a woman or black will never become a serious candidate. Mrs Clinton might be able to run. She would not be able to win... NEVER!? The US is much to conservative, moralistic and traditional with the values.

-In Skandinavia/England/Germany your chance of having a woman as a candidate who could win is much, much, much higher. The US simply do not have the modern values needed for a woman or black to run as a serious candidate!

-Would the republicans today promote a woman or black as a serious candidate!? I dont think so... Maybe in 50 years!?

Harry "the Bastard" (English is not my native language)


Norway had a female prime minister for several terms:

Gro Harlem Brundtland, 1981, 1986-1989, and 1990-1996. She has worked on health and environment issues internationally, and since 1998 has been the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO). (http://womenshistory.about.com/od/brundtland/)

A black dude. The reason is the importance to Americans of the perception of strength. A cultural bias in almost all societies is that women are wimps. And that is in American society as well. Meanwhile, with a black man, he will appeal to a much larger portion of society. Because most Americans are not consciously racist.

Republicans and Democrats need to team up for the moment. If the Republicans put forth Condoleezza Rice and Democrats put up Hillary Clinton, then we've already answered one question.

Black :sniper: