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I'll give you a hint, it has to do with an invisible man in the sky, and, yes, he sees us all, he made our universe, if you haven't gotten it yet, it is pitiful, thats right, religion, with all of that sanctity of life shit being tossed around these days, who would think that this bullshit statement has actually been the death of millions, all because of religion, mostly christianity, though... ah, how I hate our world so... *sigh* I hate war, and I hate religion, hmmm... so glad Im buddhist, because its not a religion, its a philosiphy, Dont get me wrong, the J man (Jesus) had a good message, but everyone skewed it with, jesus approves of this but not that, jesus loves you but you will die in the name of jesus... hmmmm....

I'm inclined to agree.

Ah, but religion is a human concept, thus humans are the root of all war.

Interesting. Did you go back and count the reasons for all of the wars since the beginning of man, or are you just taking a wild guess?

before i even read your response i said religion..i think people will have a hard time arguing something else is a better choice.

before i even read your response i said religion..i think people will have a hard time arguing something else is a better choice.
The cause of all wars is humanity itself! Religion is a concept that stems from humans!!!

Technically it is humans, but Religion and Politics are close in the race if we don't look at just humans as a broad term.

Testosterone.

"The leading cause of war in all of history, what do you think it is?"

Greed.

I'll give you a hint, it has to do with an invisible man in the sky, and, yes, he sees us all, he made our universe, if you haven't gotten it yet, it is pitiful, thats right, religion, with all of that sanctity of life shit being tossed around these days, who would think that this bullshit statement has actually been the death of millions, all because of religion, mostly christianity, though... ah, how I hate our world so... *sigh* I hate war, and I hate religion, hmmm... so glad Im buddhist, because its not a religion, its a philosiphy, Dont get me wrong, the J man (Jesus) had a good message, but everyone skewed it with, jesus approves of this but not that, jesus loves you but you will die in the name of jesus... hmmmm....

Christianity hasn't been directly responsible for a western war since the last crusade...Try blaming things like Islam and greed. Lust of wealth and resources is the primary cause of conflict, religion of course has its place in blame. Of couse, you cant blame religion all on its own. You should calm down before you cut your wrists or something.

Pride
"I have the best way and I'm going to prove it to you cause I'm better"
"my god is better then your god, and I'm going to prove it"
"my government is better then yours, so I'm going to prove it"
"I think better then you, so I'm going to prove it"

I think Religion is just an excuse for war, picking differences in people. I would say that Religion is the leading reason for war, not cause.

before i even read your response i said religion..i think people will have a hard time arguing something else is a better choice.

Same here. Read the title, thought for a second, then thought "God."

Testosterone seems adequate as well.

But I think you can't get more fundamental than defining it as a failure of communication.

Yes, let us blame Christianity for the majority of wars and problems on earth instead of ourselves. Let us blame religion for the millions of deaths that have occurred. The leading cause of war in all of history to my eyes is mankind. Religion is just a minor tool. In my foolish teenage opinion, greed, pride, and foolishness are the top three causes of war.

In my foolish teenage opinion, greed, pride, and foolishness are the top three causes of war.
That means your opinion could be a cause of war!! Or MINE!!! :eek:

I agree with you on the mankind bit, though

It's not a cause, it's a clever excuse. The cause of war is political power and wealth, don't be so dense.

I think Religion is just an excuse for war, picking differences in people. I would say that Religion is the leading reason for war, not cause.
Religion was not the reason for any of the following wars, that I know of:

American Revolution
War of 1812
American Civil War
Spanish/American War
World War I
World War II
Korean War
Vietnamese War
Gulf War
Iraq War

Sorry, but those are the only ones about which I have any significant knowledge.

I would say that generally, it is greed.

Things like religion are just excuses to make it seem more ethical/justifyable to the aggressor nations population.

Yes, let us blame Christianity for the majority of wars and problems on earth instead of ourselves. Let us blame religion for the millions of death that have occurred. The leading cause of war in all of history to my eyes is mankind. Religion is just a minor tool. In my foolish teenage opinion, greed, pride, and foolishness are the top three causes of war.

I don't think anybody blamed Christianity, they just blamed religion.

I do agree that greed, pride, and foolishness are the greatest broad causes, but in a more specific sense, greed, pride, and foolishness in conjunction with religion seems to be the cause in many cases. You know, the "My invisible man is more omnipotent than yours!" complex. We need something to attach our foolish pride to, and religion's an easy thing to stick it to.

Damn, what's that song with the line about foolish pride in it? I forget.

And about the 'instead of ourselves' comment:
No, many if not most of our problems aren't my fault. Unless you mean 'ourselves' as a group, in which case, what group? And why should I feel responsible?


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What I'm trying to say is that the religion is a common instance of the greed, pride, and all that, and that all that is our major problem, and not religion.
I don't think I made it clear enough in the original bit.

I don't think anybody blamed Christianity, they just blamed religion.

I do agree that greed, pride, and foolishness are the greatest broad causes, but in a more specific sense, greed, pride, and foolishness in conjunction with religion seems to be the cause in many cases. You know, the "My invisible man is more omnipotent than yours!" complex. We need something to attach our foolish pride to, and religion's an easy thing to stick it to.

Damn, what's that song with the line about foolish pride in it? I forget.

And about the 'instead of ourselves' comment:
No, many if not most of our problems aren't my fault. Unless you mean 'ourselves' as a group, in which case, what group? And why should I feel responsible?


EDIT:
What I'm trying to say is that the religion is a common instance of the greed, pride, and all that, and that all that is our major problem, and not religion.
I don't think I made it clear enough in the original bit.
Actually, looking at the original post...


I'll give you a hint, it has to do with an invisible man in the sky, and, yes, he sees us all, he made our universe, if you haven't gotten it yet, it is pitiful, thats right, religion, with all of that sanctity of life shit being tossed around these days, who would think that this bullshit statement has actually been the death of millions, all because of religion, mostly christianity, though...

Religion was not the reason for any of the following wars, that I know of:

American Revolution
War of 1812
American Civil War
Spanish/American War
World War I
World War II
Korean War
Vietnamese War
Gulf War
Iraq War

Sorry, but those are the only ones about which I have any significant knowledge.

and you can probably quote plenty of ancient wars, too. And the Opium Wars too.

"The leading cause of war in all of history, what do you think it is?"

Greed.

I agree. Most wars are just armed robbery writ large. Religion is just used as a justification for it, and a lousy one at that.

Pfft ... wars are primarily fought over land or money. Religious wars are probably a minority in the war cause scheme of things. All endeavours pale in comparison to greed.

Alot of you are just skimming the surface. It is "power" that is the leading cause of wars. Religion, territory, political agendas, are just things that branch off from "power". When one has different ideals from another country, especially ones that conflict; each would want their way, with one opposing the other... that can't be. So of course, tensions begin and you know where it leads to.


Edit: There is also just plain, outright hate. Hate itself, can be it's own seperate cause. Usually, when one hates something... he/she would like to get rid of it to continue on without annoyance. So perhaps, it is survival of the most fit?

the reason for war through out history is that humans are very intolerant of anyone who has a different idea of how to do things, religion being one of the main differences in cultures and lifestyle. Therefore religion is the cause of many/most wars in history, but just because theres so many different ones. If the whole world adopted a single relgion, things would be a lot easier...of course, we all know that die-hard fanatics of ALL religions are far too stuborn and, lets face it, stupid to even try that out.

of course i should also point out that pretty much all modern wars are fought over land/resources, both of which the Earth is rapidly running out of.
Some time in the future, these same wars will be fought over and over again, maybe on the Moon, even Mars, and if humans ever flee this solar system, around alien stars as well. the human race will never be at peace as long as our demand outstrips supply.

To quote a song by Leslie Fish "For wealth or land ... For life or freedom or some king's lies"

Actually, looking at the original post...

I meant the original part of my post, before the edit. I am not the thread starter.

I'll give you a hint, it has to do with an invisible man in the sky, and, yes, he sees us all, he made our universe, if you haven't gotten it yet, it is pitiful, thats right, religion, with all of that sanctity of life shit being tossed around these days, who would think that this bullshit statement has actually been the death of millions, all because of religion, mostly christianity, though... ah, how I hate our world so... *sigh* I hate war, and I hate religion, hmmm... so glad Im buddhist, because its not a religion, its a philosiphy, Dont get me wrong, the J man (Jesus) had a good message, but everyone skewed it with, jesus approves of this but not that, jesus loves you but you will die in the name of jesus... hmmmm....
inclined to agree. evidently religion is not the cause of all wars, but a lot of them - and especially pre-industrialisation era.

Hmm... and Hitler, Lenin and Stalin were ATHEISTS... anyway if u r Buddhist just a query who do u think Jesus was? You cant just say he was a great moral teacher... I quote CS Lewis.
"You can spit at him and call him the devil from hell, You can disregard him as a madman or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord but let us not come up with any patronising nonsense about him being a great moral teacher. He did not leave that option open to us and he did not intend to."