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I'm just wondering if people think it's ok or not (mostly because I really want to, at the moment.) I don't want to hurt my family but....I always come back to this. I just don't really feel like there's any worth to my life, I really hate myself, I have no direction, and all I ever do is screw up and hurt people and stuff.

tough it out sucker

suicide is painless

No. All I have to say is, things will look up eventually. They always do. I was in a very similar situation a while back [last year, wow]. But I just kept my head up and now I'm remotely happy now.

suicide is painless
so was what i did to your mom last night, but that doesn't mean it's appropriate

tough it out sucker

Don't you have anything better to do than have a go at her?

EDIT: Just saw that last post of yours. I guess not.

Suicide is an easy way out. Period.

It is not reversable..

Don't you have anything better to do than have a go at her?

EDIT: Just saw that last post of yours. I guess not.

its perfectly good advice

Eh... complicated issue.
I'm sure there are good times for suicide.. like when a spy is going to be captured, crazy disease things, or some cultural things.
But killing yourself because your life sucks, you hate yourself, or your life has no meaning is just.. well.. I don't like it.

My best freind tried to kill herself quite a few times for a few specific reasons, and unfortunatly this has probably biased my opnion on the matter.
I personally think that people who choose it as an option to a "bad life", just havn't thought out their options enough.

Now, my advice to you if you're willing to accecpt it, is this.
Life has no worth but what you give it. This means that if you believe it has no worth, then it has no worth, and vice versa. It's all arbitrary.
You can't screw up at anything, you can only find new and creative ways of participating.
If you hate yourself, ask yourself why. If it's because you "screw up" and your life has no direction, then maybe you're not looking in the right place? Choose something you like, and go with it. There's your direction. And if you like it, you can't be bad at it, so you can't screw up.
People get hurt all the time, you're gonna hurt people every day you live, no matter who you are. What you should do is just consider that as a fact of life, try not to hurt people if that's what you want to do, and shoot for it, but if you fail, it's not a big deal because it happens to everyone, every day.

its perfectly good advice

Well, if you meant it as advice, that's ok. You could have phrased it better, though.

check you TGs Roxleys

Well, if you meant it as advice, that's ok. You could have phrased it better, though.
you speak the truth, but i unfortunately do not have a way with words

I lost my youngest brother to suicide four years ago. He was 21. It wasn't too hard on me because he and I lived hundreds of miles away from each other and we had only seen each other a handful of times in the ten years prior to his death.

But it just about destroyed Mom.

Anyway, back to the question at hand. I think suicide is a personal choice, and people should be free to make whatever choices the wish, provided those choices don't infringe on the rights of others. But suicide is a special catergory of choice.

People who consider suicide are usually depressed, and depression has a way of clouding judgement without the person even realizing their judgement is being affected. In cases where suicide is an option to end a terminal illness, I'm support a person's right to choose. But when the suicide is motivated by depression, I say get the depression treated first. Get some exercize and fresh air. Volunteer for a cause you believe in. Get some counselling. Get rid of the depression so you can think obectively about life. Then, if you still want it over, the choice is yours.

Suicide is selfish and not someting you should ever do. Leaving behind family and friends who will always wonder what they did wrong.

Help is out there in the form of anti depressents and counselling. It takes time and you have to accept your failures as well as your successes. You also need to look around at what you have and realise how lucky you are at all that you have got.

I don't think it's ever okay to commit suicide. Number one, most problems anyone would go through can be resolved with time. Number two, suicide is a PERMANENT solution to TEMPORARY problems. Number three, while suicide may end YOUR pain, it BEGINS a LIFETIME of pain for the people who love and care about you.

PLEASE, PLEASE call a suicide hotline or speak to a helping professional. The stakes are just too great for you not to.

you can't change your mind afterwards, its permanent.

it can also set off a chain reaction with those who love you. do you want that?

Insurance companies don't cover suicide.

It would be foolish for you to kill yourself for the reasons you've given. You don't know what lies ahead in your life... what changes you will go through..what doors will be opened to you.

Don't Do it!

Is suicide alright. Hmmmm. I think suicide would be fine as long as the person considers the emotional toll on his/her loved ones. If his decision stands then by all means go ahead. Most people who are suicidal see it as an end to the pain of their current life. They figure, "Hey, I'm going to die anyway, why not jump the gun and skip all this bullshit." Also, most suicides have some religious connection. Whether its Al queda terrorists, or this little guy :headbang: , they both assume that where they are going is going to be better than the place they are now. It is their choice whether they want to proceed with this action. I will permit suicide if the person is fully aware of the consicuences of his/her actions, and these actions will not hurt anyone else. If the person is unable to physically to kill his/her self, I would also premote the assisted suicide of the individual in question.

don't do it, that is all

I'm just wondering if people think it's ok or not (mostly because I really want to, at the moment.) I don't want to hurt my family but....I always come back to this. I just don't really feel like there's any worth to my life, I really hate myself, I have no direction, and all I ever do is screw up and hurt people and stuff.

Suicide will hurt people. It's the ultimate screw up.

Worse, you have no reason to think that anything will be any better afterward. At least here, you can find help and fix what's wrong in your life.

I mean, how bad can it be? Here you are in front of your computer eating HoHos and drinking Mountain Dew. What you're missing is not something death can give you. What you're missing is perspective. I strongly urge you to talk to someone who can help you find it.

Well, yes and no. Normally, no. There are only a few instances where I think that suicide is justified. For example, lets say your a soldier who gets hit by a car bomb; Your entire lower half is gone, and you are in incredible pain. You know that you are going to die. I think it is then justified to reach for your pistol and pull the trigger. There is also a cultural aspect to suicide.

However, this is an extreme situation. Going back to what Sarzonia says, the Average person contemplating suicide should not. It leave behind massive shock waves of pain to most anyone connetcted to you. So, the answer is NO in most cases. Speaking as a detective who was seen a few dead bodies, a life is more worth than you think. Get help if ye are thinking about suicide.

Here you are in front of your computer eating HoHos and drinking Mountain Dew.
if you need some direction, getting fit is always an idea

If your going to do it, do it right. Either Get your hands on some Cyanide, or make sure you use that razor right. But might i add, try to take a couple of people out with you :sniper:

Oh Yeah, If you decide to use a gun, Do it outside, Think about the poor guy that has to clean that stuff up!

alright, here's my take on suicide, i hope it helps...

i've been battling depression for a few years now. it's definitely a lot better than it was in the past. there were times when i seriously considered suicide... i felt like i had screwed everyone else over and that there was nothing to live for. i eventually went to counseling and i'm on medication now, and it's really helped me and made me much happier.

this past spring my neighbor killed himself... we don't know why. and it's something i'll never understand, because it seemed like he had everything... a great family and friends, good grades, popular, and he was the star quarterback of the football team. but i know that his death has affected his family really deeply, and his parents are still wondering if they could have done anything to prevent it.

my point? i can understand it in situations where a person is terminally ill and in a lot of pain. but otherwise, i don't go for it. even though i can see why someone would want to... there's no going back once you do it, it really hurts your family and friends, and there are a lot of alternatives like counseling that'll help and that aren't something permanent that you can't undo. i know it must be really difficult... but i'm begging you, please at least talk to someone you trust so you can find a solution that doesn't involve suicide. i've seen the pain that it causes, and it's just not worth it.

I'm just wondering if people think it's ok or not (mostly because I really want to, at the moment.) I don't want to hurt my family but....I always come back to this. I just don't really feel like there's any worth to my life, I really hate myself, I have no direction, and all I ever do is screw up and hurt people and stuff.

Rox, you are growing up and that can be a very painful process, you might feel that you have no direction and all you ever you do is screw up right now, but you have to know that things change...and you can change the direction in which your life is going. The decision is yours and that makes infinitely valuabe, you have the power in your hands to change your life for the better or worse. But its up to you to do so. You won't always screw up, our mistakes are part of life...its how we learn.

Your assuming that death will be a good thing for you. We have no idea what happens after death, it could be the worst or best that could happen to you. I say stick with what you know (life). I mean at the very least you know there's a probability of happiness (no matter how small).

However if your suffering so much that you'd want to risk the great unknown.... I think I'll support you.

My take on suicide:

1.) Everything that happens in your life is meant to balance out your karma. So, if you kill yourself now without doing your best to remedy it and work through it all, you might end up reincarnating to try to clear it out again.

2.) Therefore, you shouldn't kill yourself - you should try to work things out and believe that you can be and do better, because you can. Your beliefs shape and mold your reality. If bad things come to you, its because you let them come. Focus on the positive and things will turn out better than you could ever have thought possible.

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i'm the only one who voted purple

I've never, even in my darkest moments, considered suicide. And I have a history of depression and anxiety which I like to believe are now cured.

But one of my best friends killed himself a couple of years ago, and it was a sad story I won't detail here. But the essence is that he had isolated himself from all his friends for the love of a woman who brought his small world crashing down and he felt there was no option left to him. So from the point of view of a person committing suicide, of course suicide is OK...

I also know that in some cultures suicide can be used as a form of atonement so I suppose there must be some virtue to it.

Of course, in the instance of my friend the sad thing is that he left behind parents and a very young son who loved him, not to mention buddies who would have welcomed back with open arms once that cancerous bitch was away from his side...

The things we do out of love and despair are rarely rational or logical. It's great being human, isn't it?

Why should any human being be made to suffer both physically or emotionally? We don't let animals suffer physically. Why should a human being have to endure months or years of pain due to illness, especially cancer. Let alone, why should a person not be allowed the liberty of ending their own life if they are under horrid and putrid emotional anguish. Who wants to be depressed for years? I don't.

man.....suicide is bad/ok if the circumstances are unbearable and i agree with most of the other things people have said throughout the posts. dont do it though....think of all ur friends/relatives/friends on online games/parents/the general public. if u want to get help just go to ur priest and talk to him. he could help u through religion, and if ur not religious go to ur counselor at school(if in school).

I don't think it's ever okay to commit suicide. Number one, most problems anyone would go through can be resolved with time. Number two, suicide is a PERMANENT solution to TEMPORARY problems. Number three, while suicide may end YOUR pain, it BEGINS a LIFETIME of pain for the people who love and care about you.

PLEASE, PLEASE call a suicide hotline or speak to a helping professional. The stakes are just too great for you not to.
I agree. Don't do it Roxleys.

Just keep busy. Really busy with something you love to do.

hmm...
as someone who is fairly down on their luck at the moment, feeling pretty crap most of the time, and contemplates suicide often, i have to say that it isn't the right thing to do. But is you are depressed your sense of right and wrong is altered, so you won't be thinking straight when if decide to go through with it. It's also a risk, because a failed attempt is just going to make things worse, so my advice is to get help somehow. Find someone you can trust or go see your doctor.

I hope things work out for you, whatever you decide
:)

Pardon my either naivety or laziness, but did anyone ever mention the fact that a great deal of suicides occur when a person is severely intoxicated or high on drugs?

And I'm sure some have mentioned that suicide is an option for life's problems, but not THE ONLY option indeed.

Alas, oh well.

As many other people have said... don't.

In grade 8, a friend came up to me. Her name was Liz. She old me that her friend, Jess, was in the girl's bathroom. She was taking pills. She was killing herself.

In the middle of class, I got up and walk out. No, ran out. Ran to the counsellor, to the vice principle. They got Jess out before she took the whole bottle of pills she had with her. I cried for the rest of the day. I didn't understand how someone could want to do that to themselves.

I was young, and naive. I'm older and wiser now. But I still don't understand. Suicide is selfish. Suicide KILLS the people around you. Even if you leave a nice little note saying that it's nobody's fault, for the rest of everyone's life, they'll wake up late at night and wonder, doubt themselves... wonder if they could have saved you. Trust me.

I have one friend who is depressed, and has considered suicide. Do you know how much that would tear me apart inside if she killed herself? I have another friend who's father killed himself. Do you think that he fixed anything? His life was terrible at the time. But DAMNIT, his family made it through eventually. But they made it through without him, because he couldn't take it. She will never be the same, ever. Her world is tainted.

Things WILL get better, no matter how bad they seem. You can MAKE it better. No, you can't change the world. You can't even change your world, sometimes. But you can find one, tiny thing to cherish and love and hold onto, and make that your reason to live. Eventually, that will lead to other things. Find some way of holding on... suicide is NOT an answer. Actually, it is an answer. The WRONG answer.

It's just selfish....

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i'm the only one who voted purple


thats pink :P

I voted only in terminal physical illness.

there's only one person that has to live your life--YOU. it's not selfish at all to commit suicide; it's selfish to condemn and vilify a person for doing so just because you thought they were "nice to have around" or something equally ridiculous. if a person wants to commit suicide, they should be able to.

there's only one person that has to live your life--YOU. it's not selfish at all to commit suicide; it's selfish to condemn and vilify a person for doing so just because you thought they were "nice to have around" or something equally ridiculous. if a person wants to commit suicide, they should be able to.

It's not as simple as that. Do you seriously think that when people commit suicide the people around them just go "Oh dear, that was a shame, he was a nice guy to have around"? In certain circumstances suicide can be justified but people should consider those around them. People should not take their lives on a whim.

It's just selfish....
By saying that you're assuming that all suicidal decisions are taken lightly. Suicide is largely inconsiderate of other people's feelings but I would hardly call it selfish.

there's only one person that has to live your life--YOU. it's not selfish at all to commit suicide; it's selfish to condemn and vilify a person for doing so just because you thought they were "nice to have around" or something equally ridiculous. if a person wants to commit suicide, they should be able to.
It's selfish because they just start thinking about themselves, forgetting everyone around them... if that's not selfish then someone tell me what is.

It's not as simple as that. Do you seriously think that when people commit suicide the people around them just go "Oh dear, that was a shame, he was a nice guy to have around"? In certain circumstances suicide can be justified but people should consider those around them. People should not take their lives on a whim.

if people say something other than that they should realize that it's not their prerogative or right to have that person around...that person is not obligated to serve humanity, or anyone else, or be "fun", or be a "kind soul" or any of the other bullshit people cry about. no one has a say in whether they're born or not, and no one should be forced to live for the sake of their selfish friends and family. if you give them one fucking right, let it be the right to the one thing they truly have--their life.

It's selfish because they just start thinking about themselves, forgetting everyone around them... if that's not selfish then someone tell me what is.

most people who commit suicide think about the people around them, but in the end their suffering (whether the suicidal brings it upon himself or not) is too hard to deal with...not, "oh well, i'm kind of bored, i think i'll do myself in"...it's more like those who mourn and condemn someone who commits suicide hardly for a second think of that person's feelings...they just write it off as an "illness" that needed to be "treated"...

By saying that you're assuming that all suicidal decisions are taken lightly. Suicide is largely inconsiderate of other people's feelings but I would hardly call it selfish.
I mean that when they do it and try to fix something by doing so, it just makes thing good for him/herself, and everyone else is left in grief and misery...

if people say something other than that they should realize that it's not their prerogative or right to have that person around...that person is not obligated to serve humanity, or anyone else, or be "fun", or be a "kind soul" or any of the other bullshit people cry about. no one has a say in whether they're born or not, and no one should be forced to live for the sake of their selfish friends and family. if you give them one fucking right, let it be the right to the one thing they truly have--their life.

In certain situations people should have that right. However, depression does cloud people's judgement and it is a waste of a life if someone commits suicide because of this temporary, curable condition.

most people who commit suicide think about the people around them, but in the end their suffering (whether the suicidal brings it upon himself or not) is too hard to deal with...not, "oh well, i'm kind of bored, i think i'll do myself in"...
Well I guess it depends on the case...

In certain situations people should have that right. However, depression does cloud people's judgement and it is a waste of a life if someone commits suicide because of this temporary, curable condition.

it's not necessarily temporary or curable, for one thing. and for another thing, having a certain perspective is not "clouded judgement". just because you can affix a name to depression doesn't mean that you can dismiss it as something separate from a person's mind, life experience, and world view.

look at this way...if your arm was cut off and you were bleeding and in immense pain, and as a result you didn't stop to clean up the bloody mess you left on your floor, would you say that the pain clouded your judgement, or would you say that you had your damned priorities in order!?

now, for another thing...life is devoid of all objective meaning. i'm saying that as a happy man. if you miss out on the joy of life, there's no real non-religious reason you should try to fix it.

U should not kill yourself.
1) Its pathetic and Selfish, and spare me your life sucks. My life sucks, your life sucks, and that Hobo that sits in the store his life sux. We were not all born to live happy, get your self together
2) A) You either go to hell
B) U no exist

Suicide affects all those you know; but mostly those closest to you.
For their sake you need to keep going.
If your life is empty them there are plenty places for volunteers to help people or the environment.

I do not believe that suicide is okay. But, then who can stop you?

Mr. Senseless
Hey your name is like your advice, senseless add useless and then you'll be perfect

it's not necessarily temporary or curable, for one thing. and for another thing, having a certain perspective is not "clouded judgement". just because you can affix a name to depression doesn't mean that you can dismiss it as something separate from a person's mind, life experience, and world view.

look at this way...if your arm was cut off and you were bleeding and in immense pain, and as a result you didn't stop to clean up the bloody mess you left on your floor, would you say that the pain clouded your judgement, or would you say that you had your damned priorities in order!?

now, for another thing...life is devoid of all objective meaning. i'm saying that as a happy man. if you miss out on the joy of life, there's no real non-religious reason you should try to fix it.


The main thing I disagree about with you is your assumption that it is impossible for people to improve their lives. You seem to think that if someone feels like taking their life, there's no point in carrying on any longer. If you miss out on the joy of life, you should make an attempt to find it.

I mean that when they do it and try to fix something by doing so, it just makes thing good for him/herself, and everyone else is left in grief and misery...
Again, you are applying one rule to a variety of often distressing circumstances. But I can't help the feeling you're quite young, so I'll cite you an example from experience...

My wife works with a guy whose brother-in-law committed suicide shortly before Christmas. He set himself on fire and burned to death. She said she was sorry to hear it...

But her colleague merely smiled and said "We're not."

It transpired that he was a violent alcoholic who had subjected his loved ones to years and years of physical and mental abuse. It appears he simply couldn't live with what he'd done any more.

Now I've never been in a situation where I've had to tolerate sustained abuse over a period of years, and I've never been in a position where I'm the abuser.

But can you imagine being in either? I doubt many of us without actual experience can.

I feel glad that that guy is dead and I didn't even know him!

Mr. Senseless
Hey your name is like your advice, senseless add useless and then you'll be perfect

Please, try to stick to the point. Insulting people doesn't add to the debate.

But does give a remarkable insight into future posts. ;)

I've always liked this saying, and it really is true:

"The world is what you make it."

Really, it is. Who else do you really know in life but yourself? You see and percieve the world through your own eyes, interpret it in your own way, and ultimatley, you are the one affected by your own actions. You are the only one that you know who is really affected by anything, can you really know if someone else feels something in response to ones/somethings actions? Not really, but to live with one another we have to assume that people do.

Unless your "abject despair" (by you I mean anyone, not YOU) is the result of the loss of a loved one or other trauma, feeling down because you THINK others think something about you, or you thinking something about yourself is just dumb. Do you really WANT to feel depressed? There is no reason for it, after all it is only you who is making yourself that way. I know that yes, depression is uncontrollable sometimes, and medication is needed, but for everyone else, it's all in your head.

Isn't it everyone's goal in life to be happy? If you aren't in control of your own life then who is?

i know this has nothing to do with suicide, but everyday, this poor forum is looking more and more like the headlines of "my two cents" off the simpsons. our topics are getting a bit bleek. Common guys/girls/robots/what every you might be. can we do a bit better?

i know this has nothing to do with suicide, but everyday, this poor forum is looking more and more like the headlines of "my two cents" off the simpsons. our topics are getting a bit bleek. Common guys/girls/robots/what every you might be. can we do a bit better?

Shall we start "The Official Happy Happy Happy Thread", then?

suicide is for quitters; quitters never win, and winners never quit.
Fukking suck it up and realize how fortunate you are. Kids starving to death in Ethiopia arent killing themselves for it. Goddamm, suicide is one of the stupidest ideas made by man (we're the only animal that does it too, which isn't saying much)

i know this has nothing to do with suicide, but everyday, this poor forum is looking more and more like the headlines of "my two cents" off the simpsons. our topics are getting a bit bleek. Common guys/girls/robots/what every you might be. can we do a bit better?
I could post a picture of me pole-dancing dressed as a monk, I suppose...

But that may lead to a rise in the number of depressed community members. ;)

Yea! we could do that, mind you it would officaly bring our level of inteligence down, and im sure that the forum would be short lived, but meh.

In some cases it may well bring the intelligence up...

I'm not referring to anybody on this thread, by the way.

U should not kill yourself.
1) Its pathetic and Selfish, and spare me your life sucks. My life sucks, your life sucks, and that Hobo that sits in the store his life sux. We were not all born to live happy, get your self together
2) A) You either go to hell
B) U no exist
Mr. Senseless
Hey your name is like your advice, senseless add useless and then you'll be perfect
1) I don't care how much YOUR life sucks either, Antichristz. Get over it.
2) Life's half what you make of it, half what other people make of it. Happiness isn't predetermined for some and denied to the less fortunate.
3) Most people who think of committing suicide are lacking sympathy and emotional support. Unfortunately there are some seriously tight-arsed and cold-hearted people out there who just live to make themselves superior to other people. :mp5:


Democracies are about individual choice, right? Not foisting your particular brand of ethos onto the rest of society.

I HATE it when people are so insensitive about this subject. Suicide is NOT EVER a matter of being a coward. It's not ever about "quitting". People who havn't truly been suicidal honestly have no right to go judging it.
But onto the subject matter...
Everybody struggles. Everybody feels that at one point or another life just isn't worth living. But somebody out there LOVES you, whether you see it or not. And someday, somebody is going to NEED you, and you'd be doing wrong by them to kill yourself.
Don't do it. I know it hurts now, but just give it a little bit of time. And then if you're still not happy, give yourself a little more time. If it gets really bad, get help. You can get through this, and you will be so proud of yourself in the end for having made it through. :fluffle:
Keep your chin up.
As to whether or not it's okay... I've always been a firm believer that the government's job is to protect its citizens... ALL of them, including the sufferer AND the sufferer's family! For that reason, I do not believe euthanasia should be legal, except in cases where the sufferer is terminally ill with little/no chance of recovery. In that case, it's the only humane thing to do. For normal everyday people who have made a few mistakes here and there, for people with hormonal imbalances... it should continue to be illegal, because those are things that can be worked through.

Dont do it.

A while back I was diagnosed with Seasonal Depression Disorder...basicly, when the lack of sun comes along I become unhappy and depressed. Much like clinical depression, but only for a period of time in a year.

I can't remember if I considered killing myself, but I did hate myself. All I know is now that I am getting treatment I am much happier than I was before.

My brother had clinical depression. I once (curiosity seemed to get the worse of me; I havent told anyone) looked in his journal, and read that he was thinking of killing himself. Well, he got treatment, and he is happier than he has ever been.

Just get treatment.

Well put Jen Jen Land. Things get better. You have to stick around to find out though. You never know what is right around the corner waiting for you.

hey sorry i was so rude b4, dont kill yourself. Im sure a lot of these ppl would want you to live

suicide is for quitters; quitters never win, and winners never quit.
Fukking suck it up and realize how fortunate you are. Kids starving to death in Ethiopia arent killing themselves for it. Goddamm, suicide is one of the stupidest ideas made by man (we're the only animal that does it too, which isn't saying much)

and here we have the sysmpthy vote designed for you to fell better about your self....


personaly i know what you are going through, but with me i know that it is my own doing... and the only thing that keeps me here is the pain it would cause my family and my boyfriend. so my advice to you is compair, what would cause more pain your death or holding out for them??

thank you.

i think commiting suicide would be a hard task to do.. just to think that those are the last moments of your lifetime..all the years and memories you've had all gone..then you have to remember the people you are going to hurt before you do this...everybody in your school (if you are still in schooling)..kids will need counseling to deal with it (happened at my school)..and especially the people closest to you like your friends and your family... i just dont think its worth it to take your one life and just end it by yourself..think before you act.

Garrett woot

I HATE it when people are so insensitive about this subject. Suicide is NOT EVER a matter of being a coward. It's not ever about "quitting". People who havn't truly been suicidal honestly have no right to go judging it.
But onto the subject matter...
Everybody struggles. Everybody feels that at one point or another life just isn't worth living. But somebody out there LOVES you, whether you see it or not. And someday, somebody is going to NEED you, and you'd be doing wrong by them to kill yourself.
Don't do it. I know it hurts now, but just give it a little bit of time. And then if you're still not happy, give yourself a little more time. If it gets really bad, get help. You can get through this, and you will be so proud of yourself in the end for having made it through. :fluffle:
Keep your chin up.
As to whether or not it's okay... I've always been a firm believer that the government's job is to protect its citizens... ALL of them, including the sufferer AND the sufferer's family! For that reason, I do not believe euthanasia should be legal, except in cases where the sufferer is terminally ill with little/no chance of recovery. In that case, it's the only humane thing to do. For normal everyday people who have made a few mistakes here and there, for people with hormonal imbalances... it should continue to be illegal, because those are things that can be worked through.
man i've been depressed and suicidal for at least 2 years. the support and love of my family is what has kept me going (though it hasn't stopped me trying :( ). self-pity over... i agree with what you say - people who have never felt suicidal have no right forcing others to do what they believe. although why should the government make it illegal? morally i agree, but it seems like a waste of time as bringing charges against a dead person isn't exactly going to do much good.

i think commiting suicide would be a hard task to do..

Quite certainly.

just to think that those are the last moments of your lifetime..all the years and memories you've had all gone..then you have to remember the people you are going to hurt before you do this...everybody in your school (if you are still in schooling)..

If you are that young, you are not of the age where you would be capable of the informed choice needed, at least in most cases.

it seems like a waste of time as bringing charges against a dead person isn't exactly going to do much good.


very true that is

man i've been depressed and suicidal for at least 2 years. the support and love of my family is what has kept me going (though it hasn't stopped me trying :( ). self-pity over... i agree with what you say - people who have never felt suicidal have no right forcing others to do what they believe. although why should the government make it illegal? morally i agree, but it seems like a waste of time as bringing charges against a dead person isn't exactly going to do much good.

well, of course you don't press charges against a dead person, but the government should be allowed to PREVENT suicides and HOSPITALIZE those who attempt.

I am personally hurt by the people that call suicide or suicidal impulses 'quitting' or cowardice, but I'll try to keep it out of this. Somebody tickle me if I start getting angry.

I do believe that suicide is an option in cases in which the person considering is suffering from something that will not end on its own, and is not bearable. I say it like that because I believe that in cases of mental illness it should be an option as well as with terminal disease. If the person is in extreme pain, and will be looking forward to more of it permanently, I believe they should have the choice of euthanasia.

I used to believe that suicide should be entirely a matter of personal choice, but I recently read a thread here about consent that started me thinking and changed my opinion on the whole matter. The problem here is that people think that because of the whole 'adolescents can't make decisions properly' thing, an extension is made and it is said that all adults can make a proper choice. If that were true, my past beliefs would hold. But, because of two factors:

1. I believe that not all adults can make a decision any better than they could while minors
2. Suicide can cause pain towards others, in some cases very great

I have changed my opinion.

In cases where the person was fully capable of reasoning correctly and where their suicide would not do irreparable damage to another, I would say that suicide would be fine if they wanted it. But, at that point it becomes a matter of value judgement, and we can't really do that. So for the moment I would say that something like this can't really work out.

Wow, that was a lot of random junk...

I once knew someone who lived a cross the street who commited suicide last summer. When we all heard of it we didn't think it was the best choice. His family didn't care about him much and never paid much attention to him.

well, of course you don't press charges against a dead person, but the government should be allowed to PREVENT suicides and HOSPITALIZE those who attempt.
ah well in that instance i agree, although hospitalisation may be a little extreme in some cases.
in the uk suicides are still investigated by the police, which is a waste of time imho - and that was also what i was referring to.


also (though my opinions in my previous post still hold) i would like to add to Neo-Anarchists arguement:
In cases where the person was fully capable of reasoning correctly and where their suicide would not do irreparable damage to another, I would say that suicide would be fine if they wanted it. But, at that point it becomes a matter of value judgement...
Most suicidal people are (usually) clinically depressed, or suffer a similar neurological disorder. Depression lowers the amount of Serotonin, an important neurotransmitter, in the brain. Lower amounts of serotonin can, and does, cause signals travelling from the front of the brain to the back to peter out. this actually causes a loss of reasoning ability and the ability to think rationally, and an increase in the prevalence of emotions or impulse when making decisions: thus can a depressed person be 'fully capable of reasoning correctly'?

note: i forget the source of this info - its either a tv documentary i watched recently or from my flatmate who is studying neuroscience at uni.

Most suicidal people are (usually) clinically depressed, or suffer a similar neurological disorder. Depression lowers the amount of Serotonin, an important neurotransmitter, in the brain. Lower amounts of serotonin can, and does, cause signals travelling from the front of the brain to the back to peter out. this actually causes a loss of reasoning ability and the ability to think rationally, and an increase in the prevalence of emotions or impulse when making decisions: thus can a depressed person be 'fully capable of reasoning correctly'?

note: i forget the source of this info - its either a tv documentary i watched recently or from my flatmate who is studying neuroscience at uni.

I don't know. It becomes value judgement there, and we can't really make value judgements hold up too well. So I would have to say that you can't really make a decision either way rationally. Myself, I lean towards the fact that depression impairs reasoning (and I would know) can very definately affect reasoning.

Err, I'm sorry if my posts look wierd or if I'm using odd words that don't fit well...
I'm not quite sure what's going on, but what I'm posting doesn't look quite right to me. I may have said something that makes no sense in the middle, I don't know, I can't find it right now. Tell me if something sounds out-of-place.

if its of any use, i too contemplated ending it all a while ago, all i did was cried myself to sleep and constent thoughts of how i would do it, but i too was scared of hurting the people who cared for me, then all of a sudden my life changed for the better and all the pieces fitted into place, so all i can say is dont do it and wait.