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I blogged about this last night, and it's made its way to the major blogs, but hell, I figured I'd bring it here.

Fred Phelps, the man who gives christians everywhere a bad name, owner of godhatesfags.com and other equally disgusting sites, has, through his church, released a statement on the earthquake/tsunami victims. I'm posting it below.

http://www.rawprint.com/rawstory/images/westboro_tsunami_1230.gif

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.

I blogged about this last night, and it's made its way to the major blogs, but hell, I figured I'd bring it here.

Fred Phelps, the man who gives christians everywhere a bad name, owner of godhatesfags.com and other equally disgusting sites, has, through his church, released a statement on the earthquake/tsunami victims. I'm posting it below.

http://www.rawprint.com/rawstory/images/westboro_tsunami_1230.gif

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.

I didn't think it was possible, but now I hate stupid people even more.

I blogged about this last night, and it's made its way to the major blogs, but hell, I figured I'd bring it here.

Fred Phelps, the man who gives christians everywhere a bad name, owner of godhatesfags.com and other equally disgusting sites, has, through his church, released a statement on the earthquake/tsunami victims. I'm posting it below.

http://www.rawprint.com/rawstory/images/westboro_tsunami_1230.gif

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.

Nice guy! [sarcasm]

Being a Scot I have to ask(as I have no idea who Fred Phelps is),.............has this guy got any followers?

I blogged about this last night, and it's made its way to the major blogs, but hell, I figured I'd bring it here.

Fred Phelps, the man who gives christians everywhere a bad name, owner of godhatesfags.com and other equally disgusting sites, has, through his church, released a statement on the earthquake/tsunami victims. I'm posting it below.

http://www.rawprint.com/rawstory/images/westboro_tsunami_1230.gif

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.

That has to be the most nauseating thing I've ever read. Thank goodness not all Christians are that stupid. Some are close, but still . . . .

I wonder what happens when his Church burns down from a lightning strike? Is he going to blame God?

Nice guy! [sarcasm]

Being a Scot I have to ask(as I have no idea who Fred Phelps is),.............has this guy got any followers?
He runs a church named Westboro Baptist Church, and he's got enough support financially that he and members of his church can go around the country putting on "protests" at gay rights events. He's a fringe person, no question, but he still has the open or tacit approval of a good number of people.

He gives religion a bad name.

Wait a second. You can't judge him by the standards of your culture. He's entitled to his beleifs which are no better or worse than your own, just different.

This Fred Phelps sounds like one sick SOB

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.
Exactly - rather than have the gov't punish ppl for taking free speech too far, let the offenders abuse their rights and get swiftly pwned by the group they are attacking

While I think the guy is a idiot, I guess that they don't much like free speech in Sweden! :confused:

A pox on both there houses I say and this has nothing to do with the horrors of theTsumani! :(

Nice guy! [sarcasm]

Being a Scot I have to ask(as I have no idea who Fred Phelps is),.............has this guy got any followers?

Wanker! :p

The church was mentioned I see but he has a website www.godhatesfags.com
But it appears to be offline.

I think he also had godhatesjews.com at one point but I am not sure.

He does crap like there was a gay kid that was tied to a post and had his skull crushed in by some good "Christians"

Phelps started a lawsuit in the kids hometown because they won't let him put a monument stating the kid entered hell on the date he died.

He is a real piece of work.

Wait a second. You can't judge him by the standards of your culture. He's entitled to his beleifs which are no better or worse than your own, just different.I can judge him all I want--I can't stop him from having his beliefs, but I can call his beliefs what they are, which is hateful and unchristian.

Never heard of this bonehead, but I guess there are all sorts.
The locations struck were family resorts, so he missed his target entirely.

I can judge him all I want--I can't stop him from having his beliefs, but I can call his beliefs what they are, which is hateful and unchristian.
You are a cultural imperialist. You seek to impose your culture on him. The only thing stopping you is the law.

i vote we tie this guy to a tree in the middle of nowhere and blindfold him, see if god will show him the way back to civilization, or at least the difference between his ass and a hole in the ground. who's with me

Old Testament Preacher.

Totally missed out everything Jesus has said. A disgrace to not only Christianity but to humanity as well.

who's with me
Me!

You are a cultural imperialist. You seek to impose your culture on him. The only thing stopping you is the law.

Culture? Do you even know what that means?

I wonder what happens when his Church burns down from a lightning strike? Is he going to blame God?
You mean when I burn down his church and blame it on god?

I order to protect the rights of free speech that we all are entitled to, I am prepared to let this @~"$ speak. He is one small loon, and we can ignore him.

You mean when I burn down his church and blame it on god?
You are persecuting him because he has different ideas. That's just wrong.

Culture? Do you even know what that means?
Yeah, it's the act of growing bacteria on a nutrient medium.

You are persecuting him because he has different ideas. That's just wrong.
No, I'm persecuting him because he doesn't know what it means to be a Christian, because he has no idea of anything outside of his little sphere or perception and because he's a danger to society.

Yeah, it's the act of growing bacteria on a nutrient medium.

:D Smart ass! :D

No, I'm persecuting him because he doesn't know what it means to be a Christian, because he has no idea of anything outside of his little sphere or perception and because he's a danger to society.
So now we go around burning churches because of dangerous ideas? You sicken me. The KKK did that in the south to maintain segregation, which also isn't wrong, just a different culture.

So now we go around burning churches because of dangerous ideas? You sicken me. The KKK did that in the south to maintain segregation, which also isn't wrong, just a different culture.

1. I apologize for not making the sarcasm in the first post more obvious. I would not burn a church, I used to be a christian.
2. This man Phelps has taken his right of free speech too far. When your speech insights other to do violence towards groups you disagree with, you should be silenced. The problem with the KKK, the Nazis, and multitudes of other groups is that their free speech insighted violence towards others. When that happens, they need to stop because they are a danger to society.

I wonder what happens when his Church burns down from a lightning strike? Is he going to blame God?

God works in MYSTEEEEEERIOUS WAYS. And God is testing us. :D

1. I apologize for not making the sarcasm in the first post more obvious. I would not burn a church, I used to be a christian.
2. This man Phelps has taken his right of free speech too far. When your speech insights other to do violence towards groups you disagree with, you should be silenced. The problem with the KKK, the Nazis, and multitudes of other groups is that their free speech insighted violence towards others. When that happens, they need to stop because they are a danger to society.
Don't mind me. I was just playing devil's advocate. I don't agree with that Phelps guy's opinions, and I do think certain cultures are better than others.

You are a cultural imperialist. You seek to impose your culture on him. The only thing stopping you is the law.Jesus Christ--are you some kind of idiot? I've never said that he can't have those beliefs or even espouse them--I've just made a personal value judgment as to their worth. I'm not imposing anything on them.

I wonder what happens when his Church burns down from a lightning strike? Is he going to blame God?
He'll blame it on the *fags* that invaded his church. Even if there aren't any.

Jesus Christ--are you some kind of idiot? I've never said that he can't have those beliefs or even espouse them--I've just made a personal value judgment as to their worth. I'm not imposing anything on them.
Please don't take the name of the LORD in vain. It's a sin.

Don't mind me. I was just playing devil's advocate. I don't agree with that Phelps guy's opinions, and I do think certain cultures are better than others.
No problem - do you think that when someone insights violence towards another group (say gays) they should be silenced?

That's how I think.

Please don't take the name of the LORD in vain. It's a sin.
Not for me. I prefer Heinlein's definition of sin--sin is unnecessarily hurting someone else.

No problem - do you think that when someone insights violence towards another group (say gays) they should be silenced?

That's how I think.
If they actively say "go out and do so and so harm", then yes. If they simply say that so and so is a subhuman piece of crap unworthy of life, I think it's protected speech under the 1st ammendment. But that only applies in the USA.

Not for me. I prefer Heinlein's definition of sin--sin is unnecessarily hurting someone else.
You did hurt someone. You made baby Jesus cry.

So now we go around burning churches because of dangerous ideas? You sicken me. The KKK did that in the south to maintain segregation, which also isn't wrong, just a different culture.

Your position is hypocritical, Drunk Commies. If calling other moral positions wrong is cultural imperialism because moral positions and value sets are just 'a different culture,' then what of your position that it is wrong to impose your beliefs on others? That's certainly not a factual or logical truth, and it has every hallmark of being normative or value-laden. By your own standards, we aren't wrong to be cultural imperialists, we're just operating under a different culture which is neither right nor wrong. If we can't demonize Phelps for his biblical ultra-literalist, anti-gay rabble-rousing, then you seem to be left out in the cold with your anti-'cultural imperialism' crusade.

Phelps is a very sick individual who is currently trying to get a decision by the city council in Topeka, Kansas (where he lives), overturned because he feels that city government ought to be allowed to deny people employment on the basis of sexual orientation.

You did hurt someone. You made baby Jesus cry.
Jesus is a big boy now--he can handle it.

As a "fag" myself, I have just three words for Mr. Phelps: I forgive you. :) (Oh, look REAL Christianity)

As a "fag" myself, I have just three words for Mr. Phelps: I forgive you. :) (Oh, look REAL Christianity)
Too bad Phelps isn't repentant.

I didn't think it was possible, but now I hate stupid people even more.


That says it all. This guy is an ass hat.

I say we have the Fab Five pay this Phelps fellow a visit.

Then we Bury him.

yeah, he and his so-called church wanted to come to my high school and protest the fact that we have a gay-straight alliance, but they chickened out at the last minute. i was looking forward to laughing at what idiots they are.

*snip* Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.

Well if this particular fag ever finds himself alone with that fucktard in a dark alley... Let's just say he'll be praying he had never been born.

I SO need to pass a law criminalizing stupidity in my country.

Edit: I should also ask my new age guru in charge of our national religious policy to make stupidity one of the capital sins.

He does crap like there was a gay kid that was tied to a post and had his skull crushed in by some good "Christians"

Phelps started a lawsuit in the kids hometown because they won't let him put a monument stating the kid entered hell on the date he died.

He is a real piece of work.

That was where Matthew Shepard, a gay college student in Laramie, Wyoming, was beaten, tied to a fence, and left for dead. He wasn't found in until the next day, and later died. Phelps had a big protest that coincided with his funeral. Regardless of your beliefs, that is just absolutely beyond the bounds of any taste or respect whatsoever.

My school drama department put on a play based on the events, The Laramie Project. If he's anything like his character was portrayed, he's a totally sick bastard, imho. Of course, what another student did in response was great - she organized a bunch of "angels" who wore huge wings and stood in front of the antigay protesters. They just stood there, blocking all that hate from spewing out. :)

Wait a second. You can't judge him by the standards of your culture. He's entitled to his beleifs which are no better or worse than your own, just different.


You are right about one thing--he is entitled to his beliefs. I won't argue that. However, that doesnt' mean that I'm not entitled to mine. He is a disugsting and evil person.

Wanker! :p

The church was mentioned I see but he has a website www.godhatesfags.com
But it appears to be offline.

I think he also had godhatesjews.com at one point but I am not sure.

He does crap like there was a gay kid that was tied to a post and had his skull crushed in by some good "Christians"

Phelps started a lawsuit in the kids hometown because they won't let him put a monument stating the kid entered hell on the date he died.

He is a real piece of work.

Oh, its gets better. His group had people at Matthew Shephard's funeral with signs saying things like "He's burning in hell" and "Aren't you proud of your fag son now mom?"

I mean, you can disagree with homosexuality, fine, but there are things that are still evil.

You are a cultural imperialist. You seek to impose your culture on him. The only thing stopping you is the law.


You twit. Why do you think we have that law? BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE US SUPPORT IT. Do you honestly think Phelps would allow freedom of speech if he were in power? NO! Gays, Jews, Women, none of them would have freedom of speech.

No one here has proposed imposing ANYTHING on Phelps beyond our own freedom of speech to say he is a moron and evil, evil, evil man!

Wow, frightening...

You are persecuting him because he has different ideas. That's just wrong.


Isn't that what he does? By your logic, none of us are free to disagree with anyone.

So now we go around burning churches because of dangerous ideas? You sicken me. The KKK did that in the south to maintain segregation, which also isn't wrong, just a different culture.

No, it's wrong. Taking rights and equality and proposing death for people for factors BEYOND THEIR control is outright wrong. It's also unAmerican.

1. I apologize for not making the sarcasm in the first post more obvious. I would not burn a church, I used to be a christian.
2. This man Phelps has taken his right of free speech too far. When your speech insights other to do violence towards groups you disagree with, you should be silenced. The problem with the KKK, the Nazis, and multitudes of other groups is that their free speech insighted violence towards others. When that happens, they need to stop because they are a danger to society.


Correct me if I'm wrong. But Freedom of Speech does NOT cover speech that is deliberately inflamtory of violence towards others. If Phelps advocates violence against gays and that causes someone to act on it, he is liable is he not?

LOL you idiots!!

How can you take this guy seriously?

Phelps is to christains as Osama is to muslims.

If the majority of christains were in any way less affluent + powerfull, I can god damm well assure you that guys like Phelps would be waging crusades and burning witches. Not unlike the crazy muslims around...

Seems to me that anyone who goes to those lengths to persecute "fags" (his word not mine) and their relations is probably a closet "fag" himself, all this is his way of shielding himself from the truth. :p :rolleyes: ;)

Well if this particular fag ever finds himself alone with that fucktard in a dark alley... Let's just say he'll be praying he had never been born.

I SO need to pass a law criminalizing stupidity in my country.

Edit: I should also ask my new age guru in charge of our national religious policy to make stupidity one of the capital sins.
Woo Hoo!!! I'm not the only one who uses that word!!!

Now the question becomes, where the hell did it come from???

i vote we tie this guy to a tree in the middle of nowhere and blindfold him, see if god will show him the way back to civilization, or at least the difference between his ass and a hole in the ground. who's with me

I never thought I'd have to say this, but I'm with you.

LOL you idiots!!

How can you take this guy seriously?

Phelps is to christains as Osama is to muslims.

If the majority of christains were in any way less affluent + powerfull, I can god damm well assure you that guys like Phelps would be waging crusades and burning witches. Not unlike the crazy muslims around...
I only take him seriously in the sense that his extemism allows those less radically opposed to equal rights for gays to seem reasonable. When you compare people who oppose non-discriminatory policies to Phelps, they don't look so bad. It's sort of like 1992 when the entrance into the Republican Presidential race of David Duke made Pat Buchanan seem like a reasonable alternative--Buchanan only seems reasonable in comparison to a loon like Duke.

Guys like this have the charm and grace of a sowbug. Brickbats for the unfunny loon.

Wait a second. You can't judge him by the standards of your culture. He's entitled to his beleifs which are no better or worse than your own, just different.

Actually, I can judge him however I like. He's entitled to his disgusting beliefs, and I'm entitled to judge him as an inhuman ass for them.

i vote we tie this guy to a tree in the middle of nowhere and blindfold him, see if god will show him the way back to civilization, or at least the difference between his ass and a hole in the ground. who's with me

Count me in, but how about we make it a small island in the middle of nowhere, and see if God will helps him walk home?

LOL you idiots!!

How can you take this guy seriously?

Phelps is to christains as Osama is to muslims.

If the majority of christains were in any way less affluent + powerfull, I can god damm well assure you that guys like Phelps would be waging crusades and burning witches. Not unlike the crazy muslims around...


We went to war over what bin Laden has done. Why shouldn't we get upset with Phelps, even if eh is just a radical. No one blames all Christians for Phelps, but that doesn't mean we aren't going to get pissed off at him.

Woo Hoo!!! I'm not the only one who uses that word!!!

Now the question becomes, where the hell did it come from???
I use it too.

It's a combination of "fuck" and "retard", or possibly a shortening of "fucking retard".

I use it too.

It's a combination of "fuck" and "retard", or possibly a shortening of "fucking retard".
That's what I was doing, but did we all come on that hybrid independently or was it used somewhere else?

This guy even damns Reggie White! Apparantly he's going to protest the funeral. I hope the entire Green Bay Packers roster mow them down with necessary roughness.

Wait a second. You can't judge him by the standards of your culture. He's entitled to his beleifs which are no better or worse than your own, just different.

Might I say two words?

1. Bull
2. Shit

There is right and wrong in this world and just because everyone has an opinion doesn't make it instantly moral.

This asshole is happy thousands of innocent people died. That's just callous and wrong and behaviour like that shouldn't be applauded nor should it be ignored.

By your definition its perfectly alright for bin Laden to be happy thousands died on 9/11 just because its the way he sees things.

That is just wrong-headed.

Meh. It's not all bad: I knew a moderately anti-gay chap who actually started re-examining his views when he saw the sort of thing that Phelps and co get up to. I suspect that most run-of-the-mill bigots would prefer not to have him on their side.

Ah, well. Either God doesn't exist, in which case Phelps is just wasting his time - or he does exist, in which case Phelps is in for an absolute bitch of a shock when he snuffs it.

And according to this site about Phelps

http://www.baptistwatch.org/content/expose2.html

it's OK for him to beat his children and publish lies about political opponents.

However, at the end of the day - perhaps it is better to laugh at him - ridicule may be far more powerful than outrage. http://godhatesfigs.com/prop.html

And according to this site about Phelps

http://www.baptistwatch.org/content/expose2.html

it's OK for him to beat his children and publish lies about political opponents.

I read that on another site...I know I got really far through it, before I just couldn't read any more.

No, it's wrong. Taking rights and equality and proposing death for people for factors BEYOND THEIR control is outright wrong. It's also unAmerican.

unAmerican nothing.

It's just plain inhuman.

Don't mind me. I was just playing devil's advocate. I don't agree with that Phelps guy's opinions, and I do think certain cultures are better than others.

Careful then DC you were damn close to being flagged for trolling.

How about if we all petitioned to have Fred Phelps buried in San Francisco after he dies?

On a more serious note, how can this nutjob host a website addressed www.godhatesamerica.com and not get investigated out the ying yang by Ashcroft and his Patriot Act squads?

Actually, I can judge him however I like. He's entitled to his disgusting beliefs, and I'm entitled to judge him as an inhuman ass for them.

Dude, read a few pages back. (drunk commies is fucking with you.) Chill out.

How about if we all petitioned to have Fred Phelps buried in San Francisco after he dies?

And have the entire Village People music library played at his funeral.

That would be cool IRL. He protested outside funerals so we should do the same. Hundreds of guys in Indian, Policeman, Construction worker, sailor and 'motorcycle enthusiast' outfits jamming to YMCA. If it happens I hope plenty of videocameras are present. :D

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.

In other words, you believe answering speech with violence. Very tolerant.

In other words, you believe answering speech with violence. Very tolerant.
This from the dumbass who believes gays are out to infect all straights with AIDS and thus believes that cutting all AIDS funding will give gays legal marriage.

In other words, you believe answering speech with violence. Very tolerant.
Only speech that incites others to violence. Look--I don't know where you grew up, but where I grew up, if you popped off to someone bigger than you, you probably got your ass beat. That's just the way it was, and so you learned not to pop off unless you were either able to defend yourself or were willing to take an ass beating. It was the street way of learning about tact.

If Phelps were to say the kind of shit in a bar that he does in a "protest," the relative of a gay person or a gay person himself might take a bit of umbrage and hand out an asswhipping right there on the spot. Just because Phelps does it under the facade of public protest doesn't make it any less deserving of a response, and if that response requires Phelps to defend himself with force, then so be it. The man could use a lesson in tact.

You are a cultural imperialist. You seek to impose your culture on him. The only thing stopping you is the law.


Interesting on how you defend his freedom to speak his mind (calling a natural disaster in Asia somehow a divinely directed assault against Swedes) whilst denigrating those who exercise that very same freedom to call him a distasteful idiot.

I mean, if he IS right, then God doesn't know shit about geography and punished millions of others to get at the lowest population density of Swedes probably anywhere in the world outside of Antarctica....

Interesting on how you defend his freedom to speak his mind (calling a natural disaster in Asia somehow a divinely directed assault against Swedes) whilst denigrating those who exercise that very same freedom to call him a distasteful idiot.

I mean, if he IS right, then God doesn't know shit about geography and punished millions of others to get at the lowest population density of Swedes probably anywhere in the world outside of Antarctica....


*poke* He is fucking with you. Lighten up.

I blogged about this last night, and it's made its way to the major blogs, but hell, I figured I'd bring it here.

Fred Phelps, the man who gives christians everywhere a bad name, owner of godhatesfags.com and other equally disgusting sites, has, through his church, released a statement on the earthquake/tsunami victims. I'm posting it below.

http://www.rawprint.com/rawstory/images/westboro_tsunami_1230.gif

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.

What a f***ing bastard. :mad:

What a f***ing bastard. :mad:

Couldn't have said it better myself.

That Phelps man is no man of god, but if any religion that teaches about sin is ture, then he is among the gravest sinners of all time. I am not a christian anymore, but did not god say to his people "Love Thy Neighbour" as one of the Ten Commandments?

Phelps is a man of hatred, not of love. He is no man of god. May his words become ashes and dust, may his bones become the food of worms and insects, may his soul find no rest until he has repented of the sin which he claims to fight against - ungodly behaviour.

I dont know how many of you feel a chord struck within you, a kinship with the kinds of people he and his sad "followers" persecute, but I do, and I say to you that he is a man of EVIL. Setting oneself up as an idol - is that not also supposedly against the laws of god "thou shalt not worship false gods"?

Remember the many dead whose names this man slanders. In death all people are equal, religion or not, because death comes to EVERYONE, even Phelps.

Remember that this man is the man who interrupts a funeral, to tell the parents of a dead child that their son is in hell, and was evil, purely for being as god had made him. THAT is not the action of a man of god.

Those are the actions of a twisted, evil man.

Wait a second. You can't judge him by the standards of your culture. He's entitled to his beleifs which are no better or worse than your own, just different.
That was sarcasm, right?

I fear not, in which case I'll make some things clear to you:

- This guy isn't going "I believe monarchies pwn republics" or "apples r00l comp4red to bananas". He's attacking a minority group -gays-, a minority group which has suicide as its highest cause of death.

- The guy is acting out on those beliefs by doing things like picketing the funerals of gays, setting up memorials for dead gays with writing such as "X name, Y death date, went to Hell for defying God. Burn in peace".

The standards of my culture? You're from a culture where it's ok to prosecute people for being what they are? Never heard of such a culture.. wonder where it is...

It seems to me that you're one of those happy "nazis are OK, homophobes are OK, facsists are OK, long live democracy!!!"-hippies. It seems pretty obvious to me that you've never experienced your group being attacked, and that you don't understand the pain caused by such attacks if they are prolonged, severe in intention, and/or made by a large group of people.

Stop whining about this cuddly, nice guy's rights being taken away and start seeing the other side. Don't worry, you can disagree with the constitution of the USA. It doesn't bite :rolleyes: .

Would he blame God if his church burned?
No. You see, every bad thing in the world is caused by God, unless it's something that gives him a scratch in the arm or a bad day or something. Then it's caused by gays :p . Duh. :D

Seriously, though, I'm a very strong supporter of gays and this guy would deserve any bad thing that happened to him.

Being Norwegian, though, I have to say that looks like a joke. A bad one at that (Norsemen and Swedes frequently throw playful jokes at one another, US-Canada-style). Are you sure that's really a statement by Phelps? :confused:

That was sarcasm, right?

I fear not, in which case I'll make some things clear to you:

- This guy isn't going "I believe monarchies pwn republics" or "apples r00l comp4red to bananas". He's attacking a minority group -gays-, a minority group which has suicide as its highest cause of death.

- The guy is acting out on those beliefs by doing things like picketing the funerals of gays, setting up memorials for dead gays with writing such as "X name, Y death date, went to Hell for defying God. Burn in peace".

The standards of my culture? You're from a culture where it's ok to prosecute people for being what they are? Never heard of such a culture.. wonder where it is...


No. You see, every bad thing in the world is caused by God, unless it's something that gives him a scratch in the arm or a bad day or something. Then it's caused by gays :p . Duh. :D

Seriously, though, I'm a very strong supporter of gays and this guy would deserve any bad thing that happened to him.

Being Norwegian, though, I have to say that looks like a joke. A bad one at that (Norsemen and Swedes frequently throw playful jokes at one another, US-Canada-style). Are you sure that's really a statement by Phelps? :confused:

A few pages back, he explains that he's fucking with you. Please read. *eyeroll*

A few pages back, he explains that he's fucking with you. Please read. :rolleyes:
I recall writing "that was sarcasm, right"?;) But OK, he got me.

Look, to my defence, I'll say that I don't feel like reading 6 pages, and that it sounded like something people would say (I've heard a lot of people saying similar things).

That, and I'm a dumb blonde. Kick me ;) .

Fred Phelps is not a Master Student. :mad:

Holy crap. I sifted through Phelps' godawful site and came upon his press releases. Apparently his gang is coming to picket my school on January 10th because the drama department put on The Laramie Project. And, yeah, we do have a GSA (although it goes by GHLOE: Gays, Heterosexuals, and Lesbians Organizing for Equality), but it's not as active as it used to be as various members graduated. It was a great play, I've got to say. It didn't really focus on the fact that Matthew Shepard was gay, so much as the intolerance that lead to his death and the compassion that followed it. Anyways, if the Westboro people follow through on this, it'll be quite fun. Ours is probably the most progressive and politically active high school campus in what is already a pretty moderate town. We won't take this kind of crap lying down, that's for sure. I've never been in a counterprotest (or a protest) before, this should be interesting. :D

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/dec2004/Week_704_12-16-2004.pdf

Holy crap. I sifted through Phelps' godawful site and came upon his press releases. Apparently his gang is coming to picket my school on January 10th because the drama department put on The Laramie Project. And, yeah, we do have a GSA (although it goes by GHLOE: Gays, Heterosexuals, and Lesbians Organizing for Equality), but it's not as active as it used to be as various members graduated. It was a great play, I've got to say. It didn't really focus on the fact that Matthew Shepard was gay, so much as the intolerance that lead to his death and the compassion that followed it. Anyways, if the Westboro people follow through on this, it'll be quite fun. Ours is probably the most progressive and politically active high school campus in what is already a pretty moderate town. We won't take this kind of crap lying down, that's for sure. I've never been in a counterprotest (or a protest) before, this should be interesting. :D

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/dec2004/Week_704_12-16-2004.pdf

More power to all of you. I'm of limited means and time, but if there is anything you need help with, telegram me.

I start feeling like a nice week of ethnic purgation whenever I see stuff by guys like Phelps. He gives religion a bad name and makes me ashamed in front of foreigners, as do guys like Jerry Falwell, Pat Roberts and the whole concept of Bob Jones University.

It's funny, when you call these 'Christians' out on their actual practice of the religion they claim they love, they really have a problem.

Rejoiceing in anyone's death, even the death of an enemy, is forbidden in both the Old and New Testaments.

Holy crap. I sifted through Phelps' godawful site and came upon his press releases. Apparently his gang is coming to picket my school on January 10th because the drama department put on The Laramie Project. And, yeah, we do have a GSA (although it goes by GHLOE: Gays, Heterosexuals, and Lesbians Organizing for Equality), but it's not as active as it used to be as various members graduated. It was a great play, I've got to say. It didn't really focus on the fact that Matthew Shepard was gay, so much as the intolerance that lead to his death and the compassion that followed it. Anyways, if the Westboro people follow through on this, it'll be quite fun. Ours is probably the most progressive and politically active high school campus in what is already a pretty moderate town. We won't take this kind of crap lying down, that's for sure. I've never been in a counterprotest (or a protest) before, this should be interesting. :D

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/dec2004/Week_704_12-16-2004.pdf

Man that link didn't load, I have a feeling there is some physical distance for me. I will be there in spirit wherever it is. Someone needs to call that guy out.

Only speech that incites others to violence. Look--I don't know where you grew up, but where I grew up, if you popped off to someone bigger than you, you probably got your ass beat. That's just the way it was, and so you learned not to pop off unless you were either able to defend yourself or were willing to take an ass beating. It was the street way of learning about tact.

If Phelps were to say the kind of shit in a bar that he does in a "protest," the relative of a gay person or a gay person himself might take a bit of umbrage and hand out an asswhipping right there on the spot. Just because Phelps does it under the facade of public protest doesn't make it any less deserving of a response, and if that response requires Phelps to defend himself with force, then so be it. The man could use a lesson in tact.


Might makes right then. Well done Incertonia, I trust there will be no more complaints about wars for oil. Thank you.

This from the dumbass who believes gays are out to infect all straights with AIDS and thus believes that cutting all AIDS funding will give gays legal marriage.


That's flaming well done. This, from a person who runs off to moderation to report anyone with opinions she doesn't like. Really, now, is there no end to the hypocracy.

Might makes right then. Well done Incertonia, I trust there will be no more complaints about wars for oil. Thank you.
Where the hell do you get "might makes right" out of that? Only in your deluded little mind would you come to that conclusion. What I was saying is that language is not used in a vacuum--what you say has consequences, or ought to anyway.

That's flaming well done. This, from a person who runs off to moderation to report anyone with opinions she doesn't like. Really, now, is there no end to the hypocracy.
Yes, I flamed you; I flamed you because essentially my claim was true. I also believed you were being extremely bigoted against gays and you are; that's why I don't like you and that's why I reported you in Moderation. However, I do not report everyone who's opinions I don't like; do you see forty threads made by me in Moderation?
Oh, and here's a tip: my real name is Matthew Paul Carpenter. Care to garner my gender from that?

Only speech that incites others to violence. Look--I don't know where you grew up, but where I grew up, if you popped off to someone bigger than you, you probably got your ass beat. That's just the way it was, and so you learned not to pop off unless you were either able to defend yourself or were willing to take an ass beating. It was the street way of learning about tact.

If Phelps were to say the kind of shit in a bar that he does in a "protest," the relative of a gay person or a gay person himself might take a bit of umbrage and hand out an asswhipping right there on the spot. Just because Phelps does it under the facade of public protest doesn't make it any less deserving of a response, and if that response requires Phelps to defend himself with force, then so be it. The man could use a lesson in tact.

Hmm.. your idea of a correct answer to what Phelps says is an "asswhipping right there on the spot" despite the lack of any imediate physical harm.

Apparently, and according to you, the right to engage in offensive speech should be regulated by the biggest person most physically able on inflict harm on others and who may be offended. In other words, if you say something that offends me, I should kick your ass to shut you up - if I can.

The other side of this is, that if I cannot kick your ass, I probably should shut up and not say anything because if I do, you would kick my ass for disagreeing with you.

In other words - insofar as one of our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms is concerned - might makes right. As far as I can see, if you throw the ability to dissent out with the threat of force, then you throw out all freedom. Hence might makes right.


Where the hell do you get "might makes right" out of that? Only in your deluded little mind would you come to that conclusion. What I was saying is that language is not used in a vacuum--what you say has consequences, or ought to anyway.

I get it because you seem to miss the point of a deliberative democracy. The answer to bad speech, is more speech; not violence.

You advocate a punch in the mouth for this douche, then you call me stupid for defending his right to express his opinions without the threat of physical violence. Yes,language is not use in a vacuum, but that goes for everything that is said. I may be offended by the fact that your "blog" takes its name from a type of grass, it doesn't mean that I have the right to physically assault you for it.

If you really believe that words should incite violence, then I suggest you post and speak no more. "Whereof one cannot speak, one should remain silent."

In other words, you believe answering speech with violence. Very tolerant.

Did he say go out and do it?

This from the dumbass who believes gays are out to infect all straights with AIDS and thus believes that cutting all AIDS funding will give gays legal marriage.

Really?

Wow. I heard these people existed but never thought I would run into one.

Scary.....

Did he say go out and do it?

He said he believed that it is normal and justified.

Really?

Wow. I heard these people existed but never thought I would run into one.

Scary.....

And I never said that. I said that gays had a much higher risk of transmitting the disease in their community because of their behaviour patterns.

Might makes right then. Well done Incertonia, I trust there will be no more complaints about wars for oil. Thank you.

Hmmm you one of those "Christians are persecuted" types?

And I never said that. I said that gays had a much higher risk of transmitting the disease in their community because of their behaviour patterns.


Which is untrue, but hey, let's ignore facts shall we?

For the record, you did advocate removing all funding for AIDS treatment before.

Hmmm you one of those "Christians are persecuted" types?

Don't be silly. I don't give a fuck what whiniging faux-christians think.

Which is untrue, but hey, let's ignore facts shall we?

For the record, you did advocate removing all funding for AIDS treatment before.

Yes I did. AIDS is such a tiny disease, that really affects almost no-one. Frankly it is a "gay" problem. It just never had the impact in the staright community. Given that it is a hugely funded disease, teh gays should shut up about being second class citizens. (It's not like they contribute anything anyway).

Hmm.. your idea of a correct answer to what Phelps says is an "asswhipping right there on the spot" despite the lack of any imediate physical harm.

Apparently, and according to you, the right to engage in offensive speech should be regulated by the biggest person most physically able on inflict harm on others and who may be offended. In other words, if you say something that offends me, I should kick your ass to shut you up - if I can.

The other side of this is, that if I cannot kick your ass, I probably should shut up and not say anything because if I do, you would kick my ass for disagreeing with you.

In other words - insofar as one of our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms is concerned - might makes right. As far as I can see, if you throw the ability to dissent out with the threat of force, then you throw out all freedom. Hence might makes right.


Well if you read Phelps comments. He in directly adovocates violence. He know full well that if he said go out and kill faggots, it's your duty!; he would get nailed for it. Yet, he basically paints the story that gays deserve what they get for the lifestyle they live.

As you said the man picketed Sheppards funeral. He also had lawyers present arguing free speech rights if he was asked to move.

As such yes sometimes force must be applied to a scumbag like this.

He seeks to marginalize people. He celibrates violent deaths. He torments the families of the deceased. He preeches bigotry and hatred. He implies violence against them is ok.

If there is somebody that deserved a sound beating, he comes pretty damn close.

There is a difference between a Baptist saying gays are sinners and one how says "god hates fags" and "mom how does it feel to know your faggot son is in hell?"

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to torment a family who is trying to bury their murdered son.

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to torment a family who is trying to bury their murdered son.

Unfortunately it does. Nevermind.

And don't you even read the papers. The Sheppard murder is no longer a "hate" crime.

Yes I did. AIDS is such a tiny disease, that really affects almost no-one. Frankly it is a "gay" problem. It just never had the impact in the staright community. Given that it is a hugely funded disease, teh gays should shut up about being second class citizens. (It's not like they contribute anything anyway).


Where do you get your information from? AIDS affects millions in the US--gays and straight and even MORE world wide. Close to a third of the population of some subsaharan countries is infected. It's hardly a tiny disease.

And its not like we contribute? I'm going to be a fucking doctor. I'm on the board of directors of a free clinic. Beyond that--gays have change dthe face of the world. Ever hear of Alexander the Great?

You really need to get a life.

Unfortunately it does. Nevermind.

And don't you even read the papers. The Sheppard murder is no longer a "hate" crime.


You're going to have to point me to a paper source and tell me what exactly what it is you mean about it not being a hate crime. And regardless of what they are saying it was now--it WAS a hate crime.

Where do you get your information from? AIDS affects millions in the US--gays and straight and even MORE world wide. Close to a third of the population of some subsaharan countries is infected. It's hardly a tiny disease.

And its not like we contribute? I'm going to be a fucking doctor. I'm on the board of directors of a free clinic. Beyond that--gays have change dthe face of the world. Ever hear of Alexander the Great?

You really need to get a life.

What?

Your not a doctor now and I'm sure when you are "gay" medicine will be your first priority. And no doubt your free clinic involves gay men and their AIDS.

I have a question for you, what is the biggest killer of striaght men in this country? And does it get more, or less, government funding than AIDS research?

You're going to have to point me to a paper source and tell me what exactly what it is you mean about it not being a hate crime. And regardless of what they are saying it was now--it WAS a hate crime.

20-20 did a thing on it a few weeks ago. Apparently everyone was high on meth, and the guy who did the beating was an open bisexual. So get over it.

What?

Your not a doctor now and I'm sure when you are "gay" medicine will be your first priority. And no doubt your free clinic involves gay men and their AIDS.

I have a question for you, what is the biggest killer of striaght men in this country? And does it get more, or less, government funding than AIDS research?
What? His not doctor now and safe I'm when you are "gay" the medicine will be his first priority. And no doubt its free clinic implies men gays and their AIDS. I have a question for you, what I am the greatest assassin of the men of straight in this country? And he obtains more, or less, government than finances that the investigation of the AIDS?

What? His not doctor now and safe I'm when you are "gay" the medicine will be his first priority. And no doubt its free clinic implies men gays and their AIDS. I have a question for you, what I am the greatest assassin of the men of straight in this country? And he obtains more, or less, government than finances that the investigation of the AIDS?

I have no idea what you are saying.

No doubt it is some misplaced and impassioned rage against my perfectly legtitmate position.

I blogged about this last night, and it's made its way to the major blogs, but hell, I figured I'd bring it here.

Fred Phelps, the man who gives christians everywhere a bad name, owner of godhatesfags.com and other equally disgusting sites, has, through his church, released a statement on the earthquake/tsunami victims. I'm posting it below.

http://www.rawprint.com/rawstory/images/westboro_tsunami_1230.gif

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.

Wtf? This guy seriously needs to be tied down and forced to eat a feces-covered living pig. Or something worse.

Wait a second. You can't judge him by the standards of your culture. He's entitled to his beleifs which are no better or worse than your own, just different.

Dude, no. Maybe for some people that may be right, but this guy seriously needs to spontaneously combust or something.

Wtf? This guy seriously needs to be tied down and forced to eat a feces-covered living pig. Or something worse.

Yes, lock a preist up for preaching his religion, yet tolerate the costly behavior of homosexual men.

I am glad that you think anyone who supports an old priest for speaking his belief in his own church should be forced to eat pig feces.

Look him up on nndb.com, he has ALOT of kids, its sad.

I have no idea what you are saying.

No doubt it is some misplaced and impassioned rage against my perfectly legtitmate position.
Sorry I was turning someone else's quote into pure nonsense. Ignore it :D .

What a cheeky fellow, that Fred Phelps. I sure wish he could be here.

1) Why wouldn't God send a disaster to Sweden rather than send one to the other side of the earth?

2) Wasn't Ake Green jailed for insiting a riot?

3) Um. . . just FYI, the number one killer of gay men in America is heart disease.

Jesus is a big boy now--he can handle it.

Why does that sound like a line from the most blasphemous gay porn in the world, ever?

Hmm.. your idea of a correct answer to what Phelps says is an "asswhipping right there on the spot" despite the lack of any imediate physical harm.

Apparently, and according to you, the right to engage in offensive speech should be regulated by the biggest person most physically able on inflict harm on others and who may be offended. In other words, if you say something that offends me, I should kick your ass to shut you up - if I can.

The other side of this is, that if I cannot kick your ass, I probably should shut up and not say anything because if I do, you would kick my ass for disagreeing with you.

In other words - insofar as one of our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms is concerned - might makes right. As far as I can see, if you throw the ability to dissent out with the threat of force, then you throw out all freedom. Hence might makes right.



I get it because you seem to miss the point of a deliberative democracy. The answer to bad speech, is more speech; not violence.

You advocate a punch in the mouth for this douche, then you call me stupid for defending his right to express his opinions without the threat of physical violence. Yes,language is not use in a vacuum, but that goes for everything that is said. I may be offended by the fact that your "blog" takes its name from a type of grass, it doesn't mean that I have the right to physically assault you for it.

If you really believe that words should incite violence, then I suggest you post and speak no more. "Whereof one cannot speak, one should remain silent."
Don't ever refer to me as Hitler again. Ever. And my blog takes its name from the Latin word for uncertain.

Yes I did. AIDS is such a tiny disease, that really affects almost no-one. Frankly it is a "gay" problem. It just never had the impact in the staright community. Given that it is a hugely funded disease, teh gays should shut up about being second class citizens. (It's not like they contribute anything anyway).

Actually AIDS would and can affect the hetro world. It is not a homosexual disease. It came from bushmeat practice in Africa. This affects straights as well as gays. The only reason it took time for hetros is the practice of condom usage.

As to the funding? Well that's because they are better organized and the fact this diease is not limited to them.

If AIDS was only a homosexual disease, funding would be significantly less.

Finally, the "shutup about 2nd class" comment.

Well, when "christians" stop judging them, bashing them, killing them, don't ask; don't tell ends, the fact they can have civil unionsl, then yes they aren't second class citizens.

Unfortunately it does. Nevermind.

And don't you even read the papers. The Sheppard murder is no longer a "hate" crime.

No it does not. I am sure I can walk into a Catholic service and scream stop raping little boys you bastards and everybody would say Freedom of Speech!

Sheppard's not a hate crime? Funny, the only ones talking about that are Christians.

Murder is a hate crime.

Tying him to a post and crushing his skull is hardly an oops I am sorry I was only going to burgler your house!

20-20 did a thing on it a few weeks ago. Apparently everyone was high on meth, and the guy who did the beating was an open bisexual. So get over it.

I found that now. That hardly makes the case.

Now a reality check.

Drugs and alcohol often play a part in hate crimes and bias-related incidents, as they do with most forms of violent crime - from domestic violence to rape and sexual assault to murder. Drug and alcohol use by
perpetrators can fuel the intensity of the violence in an any one incident, increase the willingness of perpetrators to act out hateful impulses, or be used as a intentional motivator to carry out a planned attack."

"However, such brutal and severe violence and leaving someone to die tied to a fence is not a marker of drug-fueled violence; it is a marker of hate violence"

The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs

You are persecuting him because he has different ideas. That's just wrong.
Hes persecuting him for being a hateful bigot. :rolleyes:

And this Fred Phelps guys so extreme he borders on being a parody. He sure knows how to use shock tactics to get attention.

What?

Your not a doctor now and I'm sure when you are "gay" medicine will be your first priority. And no doubt your free clinic involves gay men and their AIDS.

I have a question for you, what is the biggest killer of striaght men in this country? And does it get more, or less, government funding than AIDS research?

Good lord, every been to Africa or South East Asia.

There are a great deal of hetros that have HIV now.

I blogged about this last night, and it's made its way to the major blogs, but hell, I figured I'd bring it here.

Fred Phelps, the man who gives christians everywhere a bad name, owner of godhatesfags.com and other equally disgusting sites, has, through his church, released a statement on the earthquake/tsunami victims. I'm posting it below.

http://www.rawprint.com/rawstory/images/westboro_tsunami_1230.gif

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.

He gives Kansas a bad name to =( He's also paranoid, he wears a bullet proof vest :sniper: at all times. Growing up near Topeka I've seen him in action way to many times...ugh... :headbang:

It is sad that a guy who believes himself a man of god can be full of such hate. I'm not sure how he looks at himself ever day in the mirror. It's pretty sad.

Even sader, if he sees this, he will send me hate mail....what a jerk.

I've also noticed how he has an awful resemblance to that psycho preacher from the Poltergeist movies.

:D

I found that now. That hardly makes the case.

Now a reality check.

Drugs and alcohol often play a part in hate crimes and bias-related incidents, as they do with most forms of violent crime - from domestic violence to rape and sexual assault to murder. Drug and alcohol use by
perpetrators can fuel the intensity of the violence in an any one incident, increase the willingness of perpetrators to act out hateful impulses, or be used as a intentional motivator to carry out a planned attack."

"However, such brutal and severe violence and leaving someone to die tied to a fence is not a marker of drug-fueled violence; it is a marker of hate violence"

The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs


Well if IIRC the guy who beat him said he was gay, and that he was so high at the time he didn't know what he was doing. Maybe the General has a point about that.

Totally missed out everything Jesus has said. A disgrace to not only Christianity but to humanity as well.

Not only missed out, but rejects everything about Jesus but his name, which he misappropriates to promote hatred and other evil.

Yes I did. AIDS is such a tiny disease, that really affects almost no-one. Frankly it is a "gay" problem.





Sorry, I'm allergic to bullshit. Here's some information I found in about 2 minutes on the net: 60–70% of HIV cases occur among heterosexuals.
(unaids.org) You can find more elaborate statistics, but that's not really necessary, simple FACT is AIDS is not a "gay" disease since the majority of people who suffer from it are heterosexual.

As for AIDS being a "tiny" disease- "Right now, about 40 million people in the world are living with HIV infection or AIDS. This estimate includes 37 million adults and 2.5 million children. In the United States alone, nearly 887,000 people had been diagnosed with AIDS as of 2002. Of those cases, 9,300 were children." (kidshealth.org)

Or:

"In 2003, 4.8 million people were newly infected with HIV, and there were 2.9 million adult and child deaths due to HIV/AIDS. Almost 50% of newly infected adults were women. Since the beginning of the epidemic, there have been more than 20 million AIDS deaths." (http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu)

Honestly, how long would it have taken to do a little research on the subject? :rolleyes:

Sorry, I'm allergic to bullshit. Here's some information I found in about 2 minutes on the net: 60–70% of HIV cases occur among heterosexuals.
(unaids.org) You can find more elaborate statistics, but that's not really necessary, simple FACT is AIDS is not a "gay" disease since the majority of people who suffer from it are heterosexual.

As for AIDS being a "tiny" disease- "Right now, about 40 million people in the world are living with HIV infection or AIDS. This estimate includes 37 million adults and 2.5 million children. In the United States alone, nearly 887,000 people had been diagnosed with AIDS as of 2002. Of those cases, 9,300 were children." (kidshealth.org)

Or:

"In 2003, 4.8 million people were newly infected with HIV, and there were 2.9 million adult and child deaths due to HIV/AIDS. Almost 50% of newly infected adults were women. Since the beginning of the epidemic, there have been more than 20 million AIDS deaths." (http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu)

Honestly, how long would it have taken to do a little research on the subject? :rolleyes:

Bah, traffic accidents kill more people than AIDS every year in the US. Look that one up bucko.

Heart disease, prostate cancer &ct. are all bigger killers. And in the US aids is pretty much a gay disease. (Unless you are an IV drug user).

It's bad enough that the gays are ruining our health insurance with their disease, they are also trying to terrify us about our lifestyle. Well done gays.

Bah, traffic accidents kill more people than AIDS every year in the US. Look that one up bucko.

Heart disease, prostate cancer &ct. are all bigger killers. And in the US aids is pretty much a gay disease. (Unless you are an IV drug user).

It's bad enough that the gays are ruining our health insurance with their disease, they are also trying to terrify us about our lifestyle. Well done gays.

This just goes to show that there's no point in using facts and logic to refute the statements of a revisionist whose sole purpose for posting is to get attention from all the people who may be infuriated by such baseless statements.

Myself, I have trouble recall Earvin "Magic" Johnson being homosexual.

Bah, traffic accidents kill more people than AIDS every year in the US. Look that one up bucko.

Heart disease, prostate cancer &ct. are all bigger killers. And in the US aids is pretty much a gay disease. (Unless you are an IV drug user).

It's bad enough that the gays are ruining our health insurance with their disease, they are also trying to terrify us about our lifestyle. Well done gays.

Wait, first you claim AIDS is a "tiny" disease, and now it's somehow not worth spending money on because there are things that kill more people? How exactly does that make sense? If you have several things that kill people, surely the answer is to spend money on all of them, not just whichever is able to kill the most people.

The specific figures for AIDS in the US show that the group most at risk are heterosexual women so please dont continue saying AIDS is a gay disease because it's not.

Even if it was, gay people are just as much a part of society as anyone else, and simply because you do not believe AIDS affects you, does not mean money should not be spent on the MILLIONS of people suffering with it.

Wait, first you claim AIDS is a "tiny" disease, and now it's somehow not worth spending money on because there are things that kill more people? How exactly does that make sense? If you have several things that kill people, surely the answer is to spend money on all of them, not just whichever is able to kill the most people.

The specific figures for AIDS in the US show that the group most at risk are heterosexual women so please dont continue saying AIDS is a gay disease because it's not.

Even if it was, gay people are just as much a part of society as anyone else, and simply because you do not believe AIDS affects you, does not mean money should not be spent on the MILLIONS of people suffering with it.

Basically he thinks that anything that'll supposedly exterminate homosexuality is something that doesn't need to be fixed. If anything I wouldn't be surprised if he was a member of the Phelps family cult from his expressly homophobic stance on various subjects.

The specific figures for AIDS in the US show that the group most at risk are heterosexual women so please dont continue saying AIDS is a gay disease because it's not.

That's a stupid lie, right their. Are you seriously telling me that the most at risk group in this country (US) is non IV using hetrosexual women. :rolleyes:

Don't be silly.

Even if it was, gay people are just as much a part of society as anyone else, and simply because you do not believe AIDS affects you, does not mean money should not be spent on the MILLIONS of people suffering with it.

So are people with CF and pancreatic cancer, and you don't give a fuck about them. Get off the gay agenda for a second.

Gay people use up our healthcare dollars like there is no tommorow, simply because they refuse to mitigate their behavior. Then they turn around and demand "equal" rights.

If you can ban smoking because it has undesirable financial consequences, then you can sure as hell ban butt sex.

Basically he thinks that anything that'll supposedly exterminate homosexuality is something that doesn't need to be fixed. If anything I wouldn't be surprised if he was a member of the Phelps family cult from his expressly homophobic stance on various subjects.

*nods* thats true.

But I don't advocate disriminating against gays. I just don't think they should have the favored position in society that they currently do. (Especially since they contribute nothing.)

That's a stupid lie, right their. Are you seriously telling me that the most at risk group in this country (US) is non IV using hetrosexual women. :rolleyes:



In areas of Florida, the most at risk are heterosexual senior citizens. :D

In areas of Florida, the most at risk are heterosexual senior citizens. :D

:D Yeah that's true. But only because in those areas there are only senior citizens.

i vote we tie this guy to a tree in the middle of nowhere and blindfold him, see if god will show him the way back to civilization, or at least the difference between his ass and a hole in the ground. who's with me

Ya! And we put lots of honey on him, and feed him to the ants!

:D Yeah that's true. But only because in those areas there are only senior citizens.

Maybe but it has a great deal more to do with unprotected sex since there is no worry about unwanted pregnancy.

Maybe but it has a great deal more to do with unprotected sex since there is no worry about unwanted pregnancy.

I have a game. It's called let's pretend.

Let's pretend that alcohol does not impair driving. At the same time let's pretend that unprotected vaginal sex is as risky as anal sex.

Both are good.

Now stop it. I am sick of this gay propaganda. The US hetro population does not now, and never will have, an AIDS problem.

In fact, if we "deleted" the gay/bisexual resvoir, it would die out pretty damn quickly on its own.

I can judge him all I want--I can't stop him from having his beliefs, but I can call his beliefs what they are, which is hateful and unchristian.
And now, thanks to this thread, there are lots more people who are aware of Fred Phelps. I had never even heard of this loon until I read this thread. I suspect that may be one reason he makes such incredibly outrageous claims and statements: to get this sort of exposure for his madness. :(

I have a game. It's called let's pretend.

Let's pretend that alcohol does not impair driving. At the same time let's pretend that unprotected vaginal sex is as risky as anal sex.

Both are good.

Now stop it. I am sick of this gay propaganda. The US hetro population does not now, and never will have, an AIDS problem.

In fact, if we "deleted" the gay/bisexual resvoir, it would die out pretty damn quickly on its own.

Gay propaganda LOL!!!

Gay propaganda LOL!!!

Well I know for a fact I won't get aids. Nor will my two wives. It's impossible.

So what else other than they gay community is fueling this homosex disease.

As I said, gay propaganda trying to scare straight people who are not at risk.

Well I know for a fact I won't get aids. Nor will my two wives. It's impossible.

So what else other than they gay community is fueling this homosex disease.




ignorance.

ignorance.

How is that ignorance? Or is the AIDS magically transmitted to us through the air now.

Stop with your glee that it would decimate the straight community. It didn;t and it won't.

Gay people be less promiscuoius. Then it will all go away, Then you can get married.

How is that ignorance? Or is the AIDS magically transmitted to us through the air now.

Stop with your glee that it would decimate the straight community. It didn;t and it won't.

Gay people be less promiscuoius. Then it will all go away, Then you can get married.

I have a weird feeling that you are our old troll with a new hat...but anyway..

AIDS is more of a problem among young straight men and women. How are you not getting that through your thick troll skull?

Promiscuity in any form promotes the spread of STDS.

Besides, you know you're trolling like this.

Now stop it. I am sick of this gay propaganda. The US hetro population does not now, and never will have, an AIDS problem.

In fact, if we "deleted" the gay/bisexual resvoir, it would die out pretty damn quickly on its own.

And this blatant lie once again proves my theory that homophobes are fearful that homosexuality is in fact a transmittable disease like some kind of Zombie Virus, and that someday a Dawn of the Gay will erupt all across the world where homesexuals go forth in a Romero-esque rampage turning every "decent, straight Christian" into one of them with a bite or a hug.

And this blatant lie once again proves my theory that homophobes are fearful that homosexuality in fact a transmittable disease like some kind of Zombie Virus, and that someday a Dawn of the Gay will erupt all across the world where homesexuals go forth in a Romero-esque rampage turning every "decent, straight Christian" into one of them with a bite or a hug.

I wish we could turn some of them like that,lol.

And this blatant lie once again proves my theory that homophobes are fearful that homosexuality in fact a transmittable disease like some kind of Zombie Virus, and that someday a Dawn of the Gay will erupt all across the world where homesexuals go forth in a Romero-esque rampage turning every "decent, straight Christian" into one of them with a bite or a hug.


Eh? So HIV is not communicable then? I thought all you pro-gay types kept on telling us how bad it was. Make your mind up at least.

Eh? So HIV is not communicable then? I thought all you pro-gay types kept on telling us how bad it was. Make your mind up at least.

This poor, pathetic attempt at Sophistry didn't work back in the time of Socrates, and it doesn't work now.

Your dogmatic convictions fly in the face of public facts and such a pitiable need to cling to a false belief reminds me of revisionists proclaiming the Holocaust or the Moon Landing never happened (which you probably agree with anyways.)

Ladies and Gentlemen, do not bother trying to refute him further with facts and logic. His need to believe that homosexuals are an aberration best exterminated seems to manifest in a need to block out anything that would disturb his perception of reality in the manner of a borderline patient.

This site will interest Fred Phelps non-fans
http://www.baptistwatch.org/fredphelps.html

Canadians, here's another of his web sites
http://www.godhatescanada.com/

A few more "fine" examples for those unfamiliar with Phelps:

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/
(includes the classic Ronald Reagan is in HELL (http://www.godhatesamerica.com/html/Reagan.html) and

http://www.godhatescanada.com/ (][/url)
WARNING!!!
To God's Elect: Leave Canada NOW!!!


Perpetual Gospel Memorial to Matthew Shepard (http://www.godhatesfags.com/memorial.html)

What do you think about the Tsunami that hit Asia on December 26, 2004? Was it God's wrath? (http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/faq.html#Tsunami)

The tsunami was an adumbration of the wrath of God, a harbinger of things to come: that Great Day of Judgment. Amos 3:6 "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" That word translated "evil" there is means distress, misery, injury, calamity. The answer, of course, to the rhetorical question posed in this verse is a resounding "NO!" See also Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;" And you wonder if this is the wrath of God? The lands affected by this judgment from God aren’t just full of idolatry; we’re talking about places (think Thailand) that are hot spots where American businessmen travel for the express purpose of fornicating with young Asian children. It is a thriving industry over there; many of these girls are taken into that business when they are seven years old or younger. "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:" Col 3:5-6. And you wonder if this is the wrath of God? Not to mention the fact that those Asian countries weren’t the only ones affected by the tsunami. Do you realize that among the dead and missing are 3,500 Swedes and over 3,000 Americans? Sweden, who recently jailed a Gospel preacher for a month because he preached Bible verses and sentiments about the abomination that is the homosexual lifestyle from his own pulpit to his own congregation. America, who is awash in diseased fag feces & semen, and is an apostate land of the sodomite damned. And you wonder if this is the wrath of God?




Re "fucktard"
That's what I was doing, but did we all come on that hybrid independently or was it used somewhere else?

Nope. It's been around a while. Check [url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fucktard

Fred obviously hasn't read the Bible properly

Matthew 43-45

43`You have heard that the law says, "Love your neighbour and hate your enemy."
44 But I tell you, love your enemies. Ask God to do good to those who trouble you.
45 In that way you will be sons of your Father in heaven. He makes his sun shine on both wrong and good people. He lets the rain fall on people who do right and on people who do wrong.

I mean, of course he is, but I'm talking about oficially, by the government.

What really sucks is that he and his hate group have threatened numerous times to drive up to my school (I'm a HS student in central Pennsylvania) because we have a gay/straight alliance club.

I as a member of the Young Democrats was going to help stage some kind of counter-protest, but we were ordered by our crappy principal to just ignore them. Luckily they never came. I hope Phelps got so comsumed by his own hate that he was physically ill. I don't know what the story is, though.

Fred obviously hasn't read the Bible properly

Matthew 43-45

43`You have heard that the law says, "Love your neighbour and hate your enemy."
44 But I tell you, love your enemies. Ask God to do good to those who trouble you.
45 In that way you will be sons of your Father in heaven. He makes his sun shine on both wrong and good people. He lets the rain fall on people who do right and on people who do wrong.


That's like what Carlos Santana said at one point. "The rain falls on the Pope and the prostitute."

I mean, of course he is, but I'm talking about oficially, by the government.

What really sucks is that he and his hate group have threatened numerous times to drive up to my school (I'm a HS student in central Pennsylvania) because we have a gay/straight alliance club.

I as a member of the Young Democrats was going to help stage some kind of counter-protest, but we were ordered by our crappy principal to just ignore them. Luckily they never came. I hope Phelps got so comsumed by his own hate that he was physically ill. I don't know what the story is, though.

Dude. What school? They were coming to my school too, and I live in central PA. We were also told to ignore them...

But people were going to protest anyway. Fuck that. :D

What?

Your not a doctor now and I'm sure when you are "gay" medicine will be your first priority. And no doubt your free clinic involves gay men and their AIDS.

I have a question for you, what is the biggest killer of striaght men in this country? And does it get more, or less, government funding than AIDS research?


No, I'm not a doctor yet. I am a second year medical student. That has nothing to do with knowing diseases, etc. But since you brought it up, what do you do for a living?

And no, the free clinic does NOT involve gay men and AIDS (though we wouldn't turn them away). It involves people who cannot otherwise afford healthcare--they are either totally homeless or have just enough money to be above medicaid/medicare but not enough for private insurance.

And no, gay medicine will not be my "priority". Gay people will be treated just like all of my other patients--with the highest standards of care and kindness.

As far as those statistics go, frankly I do not know where to find them. Nor do I care. HIV is one of the greatest worldwide health threats at the moment, and deserves lots of funding. Researching treatments for it also requires more money than say for heart disease. Further, don't forget the HUGE number of charities (private!) that give monies to both HIV and all other diseases.

And finally--the number one killer of all men in the US? Workplace accidents. How much money do we spend on that? How about ALL of OSHA and UL's budgets.

20-20 did a thing on it a few weeks ago. Apparently everyone was high on meth, and the guy who did the beating was an open bisexual. So get over it.

Funny that I haven't heard that. Or that they didn't use it in the defense. Find me a source I can verify or shut up about it.

Why does that sound like a line from the most blasphemous gay porn in the world, ever?

Because you have a dirty mind?

Well if IIRC the guy who beat him said he was gay, and that he was so high at the time he didn't know what he was doing. Maybe the General has a point about that.

He was beaten because he was gay. The guys planned to go out and rob a gay gay because they wouldn't tell. Instead they ended upt ieing him to a fence and beating his brains out. His parents had to fly in from Saudi Arabia to have him die in their arms. His little brotherr refuse to go into his hospital room because he didn't want to remember Matt the way he looked, but the way he was.

In prison, one of the men passed a note to the another that was intereceppted by the guard. It read "don't worry, we'll only get a couple years cause we only killed a fag." Evidently a fags life is worth less than a straight person's to these two. This is a hate crime, plain and simple. Just like the next crime that comes along and that was provoked by the bullshit that Phelps utters. I just hope next time it can be shown to be directly a result of Phelps and they can take him down to.

I blogged about this last night, and it's made its way to the major blogs, but hell, I figured I'd bring it here.

Fred Phelps, the man who gives christians everywhere a bad name, owner of godhatesfags.com and other equally disgusting sites, has, through his church, released a statement on the earthquake/tsunami victims. I'm posting it below.

http://www.rawprint.com/rawstory/images/westboro_tsunami_1230.gif

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.

Hey, ANYTHING to discredit Christian Fundamentalism is OK by me, especially if the material is promulgated by a fundy. Beautiful!

That's a stupid lie, right their. Are you seriously telling me that the most at risk group in this country (US) is non IV using hetrosexual women. :rolleyes:

Don't be silly.



So are people with CF and pancreatic cancer, and you don't give a fuck about them. Get off the gay agenda for a second.

Gay people use up our healthcare dollars like there is no tommorow, simply because they refuse to mitigate their behavior. Then they turn around and demand "equal" rights.

If you can ban smoking because it has undesirable financial consequences, then you can sure as hell ban butt sex.


That's it. You listen to FACTS and revise them. Your lack of logic is refuted, but you still go on denying. You are as evil as Phelps.

This is the first time I've ever used the ignore feature--even terminalia didn't make it onto it. Congratulations on being the first bigot bigotted enough for me to put on ignore.

Because you have a dirty mind?

Probably.

Dude. What school? They were coming to my school too, and I live in central PA. We were also told to ignore them...

But people were going to protest anyway. Fuck that. :D

hey, what schools do you and boralea go to? i live in central pa and go to cumberland valley, and it wasn't that long ago that they chickened out of coming to my school and a couple other local schools too...

Woo Hoo!!! I'm not the only one who uses that word!!! (f*cktard)

Now the question becomes, where the hell did it come from???

I believe it's an hybrid combined form of "f*cker" and "retard". Which describes Fred Phelps perfectly, if you ask me.

I have a game. It's called let's pretend.

Let's pretend that alcohol does not impair driving. At the same time let's pretend that unprotected vaginal sex is as risky as anal sex.

Both are good.

Now stop it. I am sick of this gay propaganda. The US hetro population does not now, and never will have, an AIDS problem.

In fact, if we "deleted" the gay/bisexual resvoir, it would die out pretty damn quickly on its own.

You, sir, are deluded.

Whatever makes you feel safe and superior, I guess.

Speaking of good old Fred, he's sending his people to my old high school because they put on a play. That's a bit misleading. He's sending his people specifically because my old high school put on a production of "The Laremie (sp?) Project." The funny thing, though, is that he's sending his people a good month or so after the last performance of said play.

Man, that Phelps. I'm actually a student in Topeka, and I see him protesting all the time. He has an enormous brood, scores of children/grandchildren (a couple of which are rumoured to be gay), and it's mostly his family who supports him in protest. He's a complete embarrassment to the community. He's especially fond of protesting my college, especially the 'evil' theatre and music department. I've never heard anyone here speak of him with anything but contempt, but unfortunately he is a lawyer - very well versed, as I understand - so no one can get him to scram. There's very little to do but ignore the man - he's old and he'll die soon anyway.

Fred Phelps is on my list of those to be done in by my loyal squad of Scrotum-seeking Attack Weasels once they are fully trained.

While I think the guy is a idiot, I guess that they don't much like free speech in Sweden! :confused:

A pox on both there houses I say and this has nothing to do with the horrors of theTsumani! :(
There we go, the most rational response I have seen.

Why is it ok for the govt of Sweden to punish a preacher for speaking out his beliefs? Personally, I don't care for gays. Also, I don't go around talking ill about them. However, if the guy next door wants to talk ill about gays, that's HIS problem, and society ought to let him spew his beliefs.

Having said that, Fred Phelps (who gives real Christians a bad name, through unwanted association,) needs to take a long walk off a short pier. His "preaching" is simply unacceptable, even to those of us who attend Bible-teaching churches.

I can't believe that Phelps and his followers are even considered to be Christians.

I can't believe that Phelps and his followers are even considered to be Christians.
Good point. Somewhere in the Bible (and the verse escapes me now,) Jesus warns about false prophets. I am sure Mr Phelps is one of those.

That's a stupid lie, right their. Are you seriously telling me that the most at risk group in this country (US) is non IV using hetrosexual women. :rolleyes:

Actually, I misread the statistics when I stated earlier that the group most at risk was heterosexual women, but in what might be a first on nationstates, I am actually going to provide the evidence to refute it, since you are too lazy to bother looking up anything before making wild blanket statements (from www.avert.org) :

At the end of 2003, the CDC estimates that 405,926 persons were living with AIDS in the USA.

Of these,

36% were white
42% were black
20% were Hispanic
2% were of other race/ethnicity.
Of the adults and adolescents1 with AIDS, 77% were men. Of these men,

58% were men who had sex with men (MSM)
22% were injection drug users (IDU)
11% were exposed through heterosexual contact
8% were both MSM and IDU.

Of the 88,815 adult and adolescent women with AIDS,

63% were exposed through heterosexual contact
35% were exposed through injection drug use.
An estimated 1,998 children were living with AIDS at the end of 2003.

From these statistics, you can see that out of the total number of people with AIDS (unless I am miscalculating) 44.6% are homosexual males, 8.47 are heterosexual males, 14.49% are heterosexual woman, and 23.94% are drug users (both sexes)

Anyway, now that I've pointed out my own error, let me do the same for you:

"Gay people be less promiscuoius. Then it will all go away, Then you can get married."

Technically, since heterosexual women are more at risk from AIDS than homosexual women, shouldn't lesbiens be the only ones allowed to marry? Also, I am curious, exactly how is it that you happen to know that every gay person in the US is promiscuoius and spreading AIDS? What about all the gay people in monogamous relationships, or those who never have unprotected sex? They do exist you know. :headbang:

Meh, I just realsied I wasted alot of time typing this out, and there's no point arguing with someone who isn't interested in knowing actual information, or thinking things through logically, or presenting any kind of proof to his arguments (hard to do when there isnt any in fairness) so I won't bother anymore. I'll just have to rest safe in the knowledge that as I type, the gay agenda is corrupting the youth of america and crippling hard working taxpayers with our medical bills just so we dont have to bother wearing condoms :rolleyes:

I'm as big an advocate for free speech as you'll find anywhere, but I'm also of the mind that when you say something inflammatory, if someone pops you in the mouth for it, then you deserve it. Phelps deserves more than a pop in the mouth in my opinion.
I think you contradict yourself a bit. Phelps is obviously a shit, but surely "protected free speech rights" means that you are protected from being punished for speaking your (no matter how deranged) mind.

Back on topic:

Look at the relationship between Jerry Falwell, considered to be extreme by most people, and Phelps. According to Fred, Jerry is an infidel, not a true Christian, etc. According to Falwell, Phelps is a "a first class nut". Phelps' preaching is so so similar to that of the Afghan Taliban. If he had more support no doubt he would committ the same evil acts.

He gives religion a bad name.
I would say he gives humans a bad name.

You are persecuting him because he has different ideas. That's just wrong.
No, I'm persecuting him because he doesn't know what it means to be a Christian, because he has no idea of anything outside of his little sphere or perception and because he's a danger to society.
I'm with Drunk Commies on this. Are you for free speech or not? You can't persecute him for being unChristian and ignorant. It is also arguable that he is a danger to society.

Might I say two words?

1. Bull
2. Shit

There is right and wrong in this world and just because everyone has an opinion doesn't make it instantly moral.

This asshole is happy thousands of innocent people died. That's just callous and wrong and behaviour like that shouldn't be applauded nor should it be ignored.
I agree that we can judge Phelps, but I don't agree that we can persecute him.

The problem with the KKK, the Nazis, and multitudes of other groups is that their free speech insighted violence towards others. When that happens, they need to stop because they are a danger to society.
No, the problem with those groups is that they went beyond talking about killing black people, etc.; they actually did it.

Seems to me that anyone who goes to those lengths to persecute "fags" (his word not mine) and their relations is probably a closet "fag" himself, all this is his way of shielding himself from the truth. :p :rolleyes: ;)
Yeah, I've been wondering myself why Phelps is so fixated on "them fagz".

I notice that Fred Phelps is clean-shaven. This means that he is sinning and will go to hell, surely? ;)

On a more serious note, how can this nutjob host a website addressed www.godhatesamerica.com and not get investigated out the ying yang by Ashcroft and his Patriot Act squads?
Possibly because he is (or rather, claims to be) Christian, or because many of his followers are Republican base, who Ashcroft would not like to offend.

Holy crap. I sifted through Phelps' godawful site and came upon his press releases. Apparently his gang is coming to picket my school on January 10th because the drama department put on The Laramie Project. And, yeah, we do have a GSA (although it goes by GHLOE: Gays, Heterosexuals, and Lesbians Organizing for Equality), but it's not as active as it used to be as various members graduated. It was a great play, I've got to say. It didn't really focus on the fact that Matthew Shepard was gay, so much as the intolerance that lead to his death and the compassion that followed it. Anyways, if the Westboro people follow through on this, it'll be quite fun. Ours is probably the most progressive and politically active high school campus in what is already a pretty moderate town. We won't take this kind of crap lying down, that's for sure. I've never been in a counterprotest (or a protest) before, this should be interesting. :D

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/dec2004/Week_704_12-16-2004.pdf
You should make a thread about it after the event, preferably with photos!

I'm sure that you already are getting the angels organised, yes?

Gay people use up our healthcare dollars like there is no tommorow, simply because they refuse to mitigate their behavior. Then they turn around and demand "equal" rights.

If you can ban smoking because it has undesirable financial consequences, then you can sure as hell ban butt sex.
1. Most gays aren't promiscuous in real life.

2. AIDS kills 6500 mostly straight Africans every day.

3. I suggest that we ban neither! Bans on gay sex are unenforceable, unless you are prepared to set up a sort of Gestapo and live in a dictatorship.

The US hetro population does not now, and never will have, an AIDS problem.
Check out the statistics that prove you wrong; you'll find them somewhere in this thread.

And finally--the number one killer of all men in the US? Workplace accidents. How much money do we spend on that?
I would guess that Gen LeMay probably thinks that workplace safety regulation by the government is a mortal sin too.

Mitigate my behaviour? Mitigate my GOD-GIVEN capacity for love, and my capacity for the EXPRESSION of that god-given love?

Mitigate your biological behaviour, preferably the breathing, and do ME a favour:

Shut the hell up about people of other sexual orientations, you don't know the first damn thing about us.

hey, what schools do you and boralea go to? i live in central pa and go to cumberland valley, and it wasn't that long ago that they chickened out of coming to my school and a couple other local schools too...

Sir, you GO TO MY SCHOOL.

Note: They never showed up at our schools because, basically, they didn't get enough attention. :D

Fred Phelps makes baby Jesus vomit in rage.

Phelps is one of those people that one would be perfectly willing to go out and assassinate, I think.
Then again, he's old so he'll probably die soon; just wait till he sees what the afterlife is like for him. If it's like what I imagine, he'll be punished ruthlessly for several hundred years for his hate preaching. Bastard.

Sir, you GO TO MY SCHOOL.

Note: They never showed up at our schools because, basically, they didn't get enough attention. :D

don't offend me... i'm a girl :D
yeah, i know they want more attention... which is why they chickened out.

In either case, you should, like... email me. Or AIM me. Or something. So I can figure out who you are.

Fred Phelps is a bastard, in any case. He's entitled to his free speech. But I'm also entitled to protesting his protest. And someone at our school wanted to throw skittles and yell "TASTE THE RAINBOW".

yeah, i agree with you... he's got the right of free speech but i've also got the right to call him a jackass.

i'll get in touch with you, i'd like to know who you are too.