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I guess I would be a republican if I lived in the states. However, I dont think i would have voted for anyone quite frankly in the last election. Bush is just too christain for my tastes. Kerry was not someone I wanted as a leader either.


I mean a trillion dollars in the hole? WTF? How is that republican?

I am personally economically right wing but left wing socially. I could care less if gays get married, you can marry a horse if you want. I dont think the government should have any say in it's citizen's private lives. Stop telling me how god is in your life as the pres. Fuck thats scary, church + state need to be seperated.

I believe in legal drugs, hookers, and low low taxes to a point.

I dont believe in welfare or employment insurance and think they should TOTALLY scraped but believe in social medicine and cheap higher education. I think the arts and other crap should not be funded by any goverment.

So what the hell would i be considered in the states? A left wing republican or right wing democrat?

I am voting for the conversatives here in canada for sure....

You would be a Democrat, essentially; there are many conservative Democrats.

You would be a Democrat, essentially; there are many conservative Democrats.


Well thats what I thought as I detest the religious crap oozeing into american politics. If our conversative leader did crap GW does with his prayer theyd be booted out of power faster than the leafs out of the NHL playoffs. Which is one good thing about canadian politics...

Sounds like your a democrat. But I like your idea of getting rid of welfare! get a job you filthy bums! Anyways I consider myself a Fascist but of course that doesnt go over very well here in the states (to many idiots link Fascism to Hitler which is NOT true!) so I am registered as a Republican.

So what would you have the unemployed DO, Jayastan?? You do realize that unemployment insurance is in place so that those who lose thier jobs through no fault of their own can actually receive some money, which they can use to sustain themselves while they go about looking for another job, right?

I mean, you are aware that, just because you lose your job, you do not automatically GET unemployment insurance, right? You are aware that if you are fired FOR CAUSE, you can be denied benefits, right?

You are aware that in order to GET benefits, you have to be making an active search for work, and you have to report your work search contacts, which can then be checked up on, and, if you are not making the required number of work search contacts, you can be cut off from benefits, right?

You are also aware that unemployment insurance is only for a limited time, usually six months, right? And that one CAN extend the length of time they are getting benefits by working a part-time job and claiming "partial benefits," right?

You are ALSO aware that employees THEMSELVES contribute to the unemployment insurance pool, and that it is automatically deducted from paychecks? In other words, YOU PAY INTO THE SYSTEM...it's not a gift. you knew that, right?

In this country, where economic cruelties and necessities often force working people and families to live paycheck to paycheck...and never manage to save a damn thing, because ALL of the income is needed just to make ends meet...what would you have someone DO, when their factory closes down, and their employer lays them off...and they lose their only source of income through no fault of their own? would you have them STARVE?

If so, you are definitely a Republican, because Republicans are all heartless bastards.

Sounds like your a democrat. But I like your idea of getting rid of welfare! get a job you filthy bums! Anyways I consider myself a Fascist but of course that doesnt go over very well here in the states (to many idiots link Fascism to Hitler which is NOT true!) so I am registered as a Republican.

Actually, speaking as a Political Science major, the definition of Fascism, as a form of governance, is basically a partnership between government and big business.

In essence, in a Fascist regime, government and business conspire together to screw over the little guy. The worker. It's the old, "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" old boys network, in a nutshell.

Support legislation that enables me to make a profit, and care not about my employees, Mr. Legislator, and I will support you in your re-election campaign!

Essentially, we are already a Fascist regime here in the United States. and, no, Hitler really has nothing to do with Fascism, per se...as Fascism does NOT encompass what most people associate Hitler with...tossing Jews into ovens, etc. It happened on Hitler's Fascist regime watch, true enough, but it is NOT one of the principles espoused by Fascism, and the Holocaust could easily have occurred, given the same circumstances, under any form of government Hitler had chosen for Germany at the time.

Essentially, when you boil it right down to the bare bones, and get through all the sludge, Fascism, essentially, is the partnership of government and big business...with the effect that the little guy ends up getting the shaft.

So what would you have the unemployed DO, Jayastan?? You do realize that unemployment insurance is in place so that those who lose thier jobs through no fault of their own can actually receive some money, which they can use to sustain themselves while they go about looking for another job, right?

I mean, you are aware that, just because you lose your job, you do not automatically GET unemployment insurance, right? You are aware that if you are fired FOR CAUSE, you can be denied benefits, right?

You are aware that in order to GET benefits, you have to be making an active search for work, and you have to report your work search contacts, which can then be checked up on, and, if you are not making the required number of work search contacts, you can be cut off from benefits, right?

You are also aware that unemployment insurance is only for a limited time, usually six months, right? And that one CAN extend the length of time they are getting benefits by working a part-time job and claiming "partial benefits," right?

You are ALSO aware that employees THEMSELVES contribute to the unemployment insurance pool, and that it is automatically deducted from paychecks? In other words, YOU PAY INTO THE SYSTEM...it's not a gift. you knew that, right?

In this country, where economic cruelties and necessities often force working people and families to live paycheck to paycheck...and never manage to save a damn thing, because ALL of the income is needed just to make ends meet...what would you have someone DO, when their factory closes down, and their employer lays them off...and they lose their only source of income through no fault of their own? would you have them STARVE?

If so, you are definitely a Republican, because Republicans are all heartless bastards.


In a free market system that actually works they would have opporunity to go back to school through low interest student loans and get the background which would enable them to ditch that crappy job they used to have and get a better one. Higher education is the key. And as long as they are healthy (public health care) they have NO EXCUSES not to either get another job or go back to school.... Otherwise they are lazy. (remember student loans would have to be enough to support yourself + your family) Student loans would be paid back of course...

I think your opinions qualify you as a Libertarian more than an American democrat or republican.

I think your opinions qualify you as a Libertarian more than an American democrat or republican.

i dont think so as I do support very cheap higher education as well as public health care. Athough i do support alot of ideas libertarian's support.

Maybe a canuck version of adam smith. The government should do nothing except build roads, support the military and now support education at all levels + make it very very cheap and of course have free health care... :p

"Get a job, you filthy bums!" eh?

Exactly WHERE are those "filthy bums" to which you refer supposed to GET a job, in an economy that has LOST over 3 million jobs in the past four years? Where are they supposed to get a job that will pay them a wage upon which one can actually make a decent living?
Where are they supposed the GET a job, when all the jobs are sent overseas by greedy corporations who want workers they can exploit ruthlessly, and pay sub-standard wages, and where they are allowed to expose their workers to unsanitary, unsafe working conditions in sweatshops...where are they supposed to get a job?
Yeah, I know, there ARE some lazy bums out there, true enough...but what would you have those do who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own? Those who were laid off when their company decided to move all the jobs overseas?
Some people (like me) are out of work right now, through no fault of our own. What would you have us do? Starve?
I am out there doing my level best to do the decent and honest thing, and TRY to make myself, once again, a productive citizen. But I need just a little short-term help. would you deny me that, and thus make it impossible for me to work my way back...thus making me into the very "filthy bum" that you so despise?
I'll have you know, I was making eleven bucks an hour...not great, but a decent enough living. Right now, starting Monday, I am temping at a job WAY beneath my skills and abilities...and for only 8 bucks an hour, and WHY?? Because it happenes to be the decent and honest thing to do. But, I cannot really get by on eight bucks. All's it is doing is keeping the wolves away from the door for a little while.
I have YET to draw dime one from unemployment, it is still in process. i'm still waiting to get mine. But I'm not sitting on my dead ass...no, I'm out there working a shit job, way beneath me...just to survive.
And I'm living on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and Ramen Soup, because it is all I can afford, you heartless bastard!

THAT is what I had for Christmas dinner, you heartless bastard...RAMEN FUCKING SOUP!! What did YOU have for Christmas dinner?? Ah, your Christian charity just shines right through...you, sir...are an exemplary example of a true Christian gentleman. :rolleyes:

"Get a job, you filthy bums!" eh?

Exactly WHERE are those "filthy bums" to which you refer supposed to GET a job, in an economy that has LOST over 3 million jobs in the past four years? Where are they supposed to get a job that will pay them a wage upon which one can actually make a decent living?
Where are they supposed the GET a job, when all the jobs are sent overseas by greedy corporations who want workers they can exploit ruthlessly, and pay sub-standard wages, and where they are allowed to expose their workers to unsanitary, unsafe working conditions in sweatshops...where are they supposed to get a job?
Yeah, I know, there ARE some lazy bums out there, true enough...but what would you have those do who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own? Those who were laid off when their company decided to move all the jobs overseas?
Some people (like me) are out of work right now, through no fault of our own. What would you have us do? Starve?
I am out there doing my level best to do the decent and honest thing, and TRY to make myself, once again, a productive citizen. But I need just a little short-term help. would you deny me that, and thus make it impossible for me to work my way back...thus making me into the very "filthy bum" that you so despise?
I'll have you know, I was making eleven bucks an hour...not great, but a decent enough living. Right now, starting Monday, I am temping at a job WAY beneath my skills and abilities...and for only 8 bucks an hour, and WHY?? Because it happenes to be the decent and honest thing to do. But, I cannot really get by on eight bucks. All's it is doing is keeping the wolves away from the door for a little while.
I have YET to draw dime one from unemployment, it is still in process. i'm still waiting to get mine. But I'm not sitting on my dead ass...no, I'm out there working a shit job, way beneath me...just to survive.
And I'm living on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and Ramen Soup, because it is all I can afford, you heartless bastard!

THAT is what I had for Christmas dinner, you heartless bastard...RAMEN FUCKING SOUP!! What did YOU have for Christmas dinner?? Ah, your Christian charity just shines right through...you, sir...are an exemplary example of a true Christian gentleman. :rolleyes:
Exactly. My dad lost his job and wasn't able to regain it for two years; we had to live a year in my Aunt Linda's tiny home for a full year; I had to share the laundry room with my little brother for a bedroom. And we were lucky; we'd have been out on the street otherwise.

In a free market system that actually works they would have opporunity to go back to school through low interest student loans and get the background which would enable them to ditch that crappy job they used to have and get a better one. Higher education is the key. And as long as they are healthy (public health care) they have NO EXCUSES not to either get another job or go back to school.... Otherwise they are lazy. (remember student loans would have to be enough to support yourself + your family) Student loans would be paid back of course...

I'd have no problem with that proposed solution, Jayastan! So long as the loans in question were enough to support yourself and your family while you went back to school. All's I am saying is...you don't cut people off at the knees when they are TRYING to help themselves! It's hard enough, already.

what I am saying is...you do not cut people off...you give them a HAND UP...not a HANDOUT.

Republicans, on the other hand...wouldn't even want to give them a hand up. It's the basic Republican attitude: "I got mine, fuck you! At least it isn't ME that's out there..." and, of course, they all think it could never happen to them.

I love it, however, when it DOES happen to them...and these self-same heartless bastards suddenly become liberals. when they wake up and smell the coffee, and realize the harsh realities of the policies they once supported.

And do I have sympathy for them?? fuck no...if they voted Bush, then they get what they deserve! You can't blame ME, I voted Kerry.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

that will give you some idea

"Get a job, you filthy bums!" eh?

Exactly WHERE are those "filthy bums" to which you refer supposed to GET a job, in an economy that has LOST over 3 million jobs in the past four years? Where are they supposed to get a job that will pay them a wage upon which one can actually make a decent living?
Where are they supposed the GET a job, when all the jobs are sent overseas by greedy corporations who want workers they can exploit ruthlessly, and pay sub-standard wages, and where they are allowed to expose their workers to unsanitary, unsafe working conditions in sweatshops...where are they supposed to get a job?
Yeah, I know, there ARE some lazy bums out there, true enough...but what would you have those do who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own? Those who were laid off when their company decided to move all the jobs overseas?
Some people (like me) are out of work right now, through no fault of our own. What would you have us do? Starve?
I am out there doing my level best to do the decent and honest thing, and TRY to make myself, once again, a productive citizen. But I need just a little short-term help. would you deny me that, and thus make it impossible for me to work my way back...thus making me into the very "filthy bum" that you so despise?
I'll have you know, I was making eleven bucks an hour...not great, but a decent enough living. Right now, starting Monday, I am temping at a job WAY beneath my skills and abilities...and for only 8 bucks an hour, and WHY?? Because it happenes to be the decent and honest thing to do. But, I cannot really get by on eight bucks. All's it is doing is keeping the wolves away from the door for a little while.
I have YET to draw dime one from unemployment, it is still in process. i'm still waiting to get mine. But I'm not sitting on my dead ass...no, I'm out there working a shit job, way beneath me...just to survive.
And I'm living on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and Ramen Soup, because it is all I can afford, you heartless bastard!

THAT is what I had for Christmas dinner, you heartless bastard...RAMEN FUCKING SOUP!! What did YOU have for Christmas dinner?? Ah, your Christian charity just shines right through...you, sir...are an exemplary example of a true Christian gentleman. :rolleyes:


Well i am not a christain, thats for sure.

Have you wondered why your having trouble with finding a job? Well education is the key! With education you can pick a new job that suits you!!
Under my way of thinking you have have low low interest student loans while you go to school to survive on + once you graduate, get a decent job.

Of course if your sick under my system of free health care its ok!!

If you choose to not take cheap education then you can practice saying " Would you like fries with yuor whopper?? "

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

that will give you some idea


I am just on the edge of centralist, right wing economically, left wing socially, verging on liberatian. That quiz needs a few more questions to be mroe accurate IMO....


On further thinking perhaps it would be ok to keep some type of employment insurance. But only for people who have worked at least 5 years straight. Just to get some help while they decide to look for work or change careers. And then only about 3 months of support....

Exactly. My dad lost his job and wasn't able to regain it for two years; we had to live a year in my Aunt Linda's tiny home for a full year; I had to share the laundry room with my little brother for a bedroom. And we were lucky; we'd have been out on the street otherwise.

Yep. and what would you have done if not for your Aunt Linda's charity?

what if you had no family left? Or none that were willing or able to help you? what if you, like me, lived 2,000 miles away from your nearest family, because of the desires of Corporate America, families are being torn apart as they ask workers to relocate...and often the workers will do so. I wound up in Texas in this way.

My mother is in Pennsylvania.

The rest of my family is in Chicago, and in Ohio...and a brother in Georgia.

Fortunately for me...my mother is willing to take me back, and allow me to move in with her...work part-time and go back to school, if something does not materialize down here by the time my lease is up in May.

Fortunately, she is willing, and able...to help me make a move back up to Pennsylvania...not that I want to...but I'm damn glad the offer is there!

But how about those people whose families are unwilling, or unable, to help them?

Like I said...I SO love to see it when a high-and-mighty former conservative Republican finds himself in the shithole, and then suddenly sees the lght and becomes a liberal...realizing what the policies he once supported were doing to his fellow man...only when it was visited upon him!

Republicans are cruel, cold, heartless, selfish bastards, and, though I don't like to wish evil on anyone...I sure do wish it on them...because it is the only way they will ever SEE the harm their policies cause other people...and perhaps, then, they will change their ways.

Yep. and what would you have done if not for your Aunt Linda's charity?

what if you had no family left? Or none that were willing or able to help you? what if you, like me, lived 2,000 miles away from your nearest family, because of the desires of Corporate America, families are being torn apart as they ask workers to relocate...and often the workers will do so. I wound up in Texas in this way.

My mother is in Pennsylvania.

The rest of my family is in Chicago, and in Ohio...and a brother in Georgia.

Fortunately for me...my mother is willing to take me back, and allow me to move in with her...work part-time and go back to school, if something does not materialize down here by the time my lease is up in May.

Fortunately, she is willing, and able...to help me make a move back up to Pennsylvania...not that I want to...but I'm damn glad the offer is there!

But how about those people whose families are unwilling, or unable, to help them?

Like I said...I SO love to see it when a high-and-mighty former conservative Republican finds himself in the shithole, and then suddenly sees the lght and becomes a liberal...realizing what the policies he once supported were doing to his fellow man...only when it was visited upon him!

Republicans are cruel, cold, heartless, selfish bastards, and, though I don't like to wish evil on anyone...I sure do wish it on them...because it is the only way they will ever SEE the harm their policies cause other people...and perhaps, then, they will change their ways.

And with education you could rebuild your skill sets and get a decent job!!

Well i am not a christain, thats for sure.

Have you wondered why your having trouble with finding a job? Well education is the key! With education you can pick a new job that suits you!!
Under my way of thinking you have have low low interest student loans while you go to school to survive on + once you graduate, get a decent job.

Of course if your sick under my system of free health care its ok!!

If you choose to not take cheap education then you can practice saying " Would you like fries with yuor whopper?? "

One other thing, with your program, Jayastan, and I could support it...

Does it include job placement assistance, once the education is completed? and a small stipend to get you by until you DO land that job (all payable back, as it is all loans.)

Or do you cut them off at the knees on graduation day, like a Republican would? Actually, the Republican woulda cut them off at the knees long before graduation, because, again, Republicans are all cold, cruel, selfish, heartless bastards.

They have a black hole where once their heart was.

One other thing, with your program, Jayastan, and I could support it...

Does it include job placement assistance, once the education is completed? and a small stipend to get you by until you DO land that job (all payable back, as it is all loans.)

Or do you cut them off at the knees on graduation day, like a Republican would? Actually, the Republican woulda cut them off at the knees long before graduation, because, again, Republicans are all cold, cruel, selfish, heartless bastards.

They have a black hole where once their heart was.


I would have no problem giving you 3 - 5 months to find a job after school, it would fo course jsut add to your low interest loan.


Remember I would support grants for people doing well in school. beyond that you would be on your own...

What about everyone else?

"Get a job, you filthy bums!" eh?
Exactly WHERE are those "filthy bums" to which you refer supposed to GET a job, in an economy that has LOST over 3 million jobs in the past four years?

Where I did. I paid for my own education without resorting to loans or my parents. I kept my nose to the grindstone and tried to pick a career that would keep me in food and shelter. I didn't think that I would be able to make it as an artist or a musician.

Where are they supposed to get a job that will pay them a wage upon which one can actually make a decent living?

If you move to Ashburn, VA, you shouldn't have any trouble getting a job. The unemployment here is consistently very, very low (low enough to be considered solely turnover).

Where are they supposed the GET a job, when all the jobs are sent overseas by greedy corporations who want workers they can exploit ruthlessly, and pay sub-standard wages, and where they are allowed to expose their workers to unsanitary, unsafe working conditions in sweatshops...where are they supposed to get a job?

Many programming jobs have been consumed by Indians who came here on H-1B visas - and many more went overseas. But guess what? Indians are now demanding higher wages, both here and in India. Wages for programmers are rising again - and if you're really as good as those Indian programmers (many of which are quite good), then you'll have a programming job like I do.

Yeah, I know, there ARE some lazy bums out there, true enough...but what would you have those do who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own? Those who were laid off when their company decided to move all the jobs overseas?
Some people (like me) are out of work right now, through no fault of our own. What would you have us do? Starve?
I am out there doing my level best to do the decent and honest thing, and TRY to make myself, once again, a productive citizen. But I need just a little short-term help. would you deny me that, and thus make it impossible for me to work my way back...thus making me into the very "filthy bum" that you so despise?
I'll have you know, I was making eleven bucks an hour...not great, but a decent enough living. Right now, starting Monday, I am temping at a job WAY beneath my skills and abilities...and for only 8 bucks an hour, and WHY?? Because it happenes to be the decent and honest thing to do. But, I cannot really get by on eight bucks. All's it is doing is keeping the wolves away from the door for a little while.
I have YET to draw dime one from unemployment, it is still in process. i'm still waiting to get mine. But I'm not sitting on my dead ass...no, I'm out there working a shit job, way beneath me...just to survive.
And I'm living on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and Ramen Soup, because it is all I can afford, you heartless bastard!

THAT is what I had for Christmas dinner, you heartless bastard...RAMEN FUCKING SOUP!! What did YOU have for Christmas dinner?? Ah, your Christian charity just shines right through...you, sir...are an exemplary example of a true Christian gentleman. :rolleyes:

I'm not Christian. I've lived on ramen myself, when I was younger and thought it better to spend my money on school. And I've worked a lot of different jobs, but I could hardly characterize any of them as being "way beneath me". That includes shoveling human feces out of a basement where a sewer pipe exploded for 4.50 an hour. It was a job.

I am not what I do for a living. I am not the things I own, or the food I eat.

Where I did. I paid for my own education without resorting to loans or my parents. I kept my nose to the grindstone and tried to pick a career that would keep me in food and shelter. I didn't think that I would be able to make it as an artist or a musician.

If you move to Ashburn, VA, you shouldn't have any trouble getting a job. The unemployment here is consistently very, very low (low enough to be considered solely turnover).

Many programming jobs have been consumed by Indians who came here on H-1B visas - and many more went overseas. But guess what? Indians are now demanding higher wages, both here and in India. Wages for programmers are rising again - and if you're really as good as those Indian programmers (many of which are quite good), then you'll have a programming job like I do.


I'm not Christian. I've lived on ramen myself, when I was younger and thought it better to spend my money on school. And I've worked a lot of different jobs, but I could hardly characterize any of them as being "way beneath me". That includes shoveling human feces out of a basement where a sewer pipe exploded for 4.50 an hour. It was a job.

I am not what I do for a living. I am not the things I own, or the food I eat.


1) what is ramen?
2) So your a republican im guessing
3) im guessing you dont support even cheap education~~ loans + definately public health care?

1) what is ramen?
2) So your a republican im guessing
3) im guessing you dont support even cheap education~~ loans + definately public health care?

Dried oriental noodles that come in small packs in a large cardboard box (I bought them in bulk - they're cheaper that way if you know you're going to eat a lot of them). Little flavor packet inside each pack.

Not a Republican. Libertarian.

Well, it's obvious that some people don't think they can make it without a loan. So if the majority want some loans, ok. But I managed just fine without one.

Public health care is a must. But the major driver for rising health care costs is malpractice insurance and drug costs.

Interesting note for those of you who like lawsuits and paying high insurance costs:

In Canada, in British Columbia, you cannot sue for pain and suffering as a result of injuries sustained in an accident. You may sue for such in Quebec.

People in Quebec have over fifty times the rate of neck injuries that people in British Columbia have.

Now, either someone's taking advantage of the lawsuit situation, or the people in Quebec are noodle-necks.

Dried oriental noodles that come in small packs in a large cardboard box (I bought them in bulk - they're cheaper that way if you know you're going to eat a lot of them). Little flavor packet inside each pack.

Not a Republican. Libertarian.

Well, it's obvious that some people don't think they can make it without a loan. So if the majority want some loans, ok. But I managed just fine without one.

Public health care is a must. But the major driver for rising health care costs is malpractice insurance and drug costs.

Interesting note for those of you who like lawsuits and paying high insurance costs:

In Canada, in British Columbia, you cannot sue for pain and suffering as a result of injuries sustained in an accident. You may sue for such in Quebec.

People in Quebec have over fifty times the rate of neck injuries that people in British Columbia have.

Now, either someone's taking advantage of the lawsuit situation, or the people in Quebec are noodle-necks.

Wow I actually agree with everything you said WTF!!!

I think that the first thing I would do would be to have socialized legal service (no private or independent lawyering).

I would do that before I changed anything. Just to see if we could save some money right off the bat.

I'm sorry Jayastan, but I think your ideas about going back to school if you get laid off are total crap. It isn't feasable to go back to school and live off of loans just because you happened to get laid off. What about all the people who are perfectly well educated already who get laid off and can't find another job? Should they just go back to school and get another degree in another field? Change the course of their entire life, start a whole new career, and hope it doesn't happen again? They'll just keep racking up debt by taking out more loans, even if they are low interest.

I'm sorry Jayastan, but I think your ideas about going back to school if you get laid off are total crap. It isn't feasable to go back to school and live off of loans just because you happened to get laid off. What about all the people who are perfectly well educated already who get laid off and can't find another job? Should they just go back to school and get another degree in another field? Change the course of their entire life, start a whole new career, and hope it doesn't happen again? They'll just keep racking up debt by taking out more loans, even if they are low interest.

move somewhere else then if you dont want to go back to school. Pretty simple. WE cant baby everyone...

Or do you cut them off at the knees on graduation day, like a Republican would? Actually, the Republican woulda cut them off at the knees long before graduation, because, again, Republicans are all cold, cruel, selfish, heartless bastards.

They have a black hole where once their heart was.
Does this mean I should request my Red Cross donations back? Ohh, and I guess I should stop giving blood to LifeSource. Also, I'll have to tear up my drivers' license and get a new one because I signed the organ donor's line.

I guess I would be a republican if I lived in the states. However, I dont think i would have voted for anyone quite frankly in the last election. Bush is just too christain for my tastes. Kerry was not someone I wanted as a leader either.


I mean a trillion dollars in the hole? WTF? How is that republican?

I am personally economically right wing but left wing socially. I could care less if gays get married, you can marry a horse if you want. I dont think the government should have any say in it's citizen's private lives. Stop telling me how god is in your life as the pres. Fuck thats scary, church + state need to be seperated.

I believe in legal drugs, hookers, and low low taxes to a point.

I dont believe in welfare or employment insurance and think they should TOTALLY scraped but believe in social medicine and cheap higher education. I think the arts and other crap should not be funded by any goverment.

So what the hell would i be considered in the states? A left wing republican or right wing democrat?

I am voting for the conversatives here in canada for sure....
Simple: you are an independent. My guess is that you would fit in well with the very most conservative part of the democratic party. You probably wouldn't have a very consistent voting record between the two parties, though. A 'swing voter', we call it here.

And with education you could rebuild your skill sets and get a decent job!!
Hey, dude, education isn't everything; my dad was a programming specialist. He literrally wrote the programming behind many of today's successful programs such as Oracle. Just because someone has a very good education does not guarentee them a job.

As a member of the Conservative Party of Canada, and a self-proclaimed libertarian, I can say that maybe you and I should make our own party, Jayastan. The closest we had to a viable libertarian party was the Canadian Alliance - but some left-wing socialist morons, who also coincidentally control the media (Globe & Mail, Toronto Star definitely - and look, most intellectuals will tell you the only right-wing media [National Post and Toronto Sun] aren't worth the paper they're printed on) come out and tell the mass of gullible voters that the Alliance is going to turn Canada into a theocracy.

And then Canadians buy the garbage. By the bucketload. And repeat it as if they know it for a fact.

I still have the policy papers for the Alliance, as well as the new Conservative policies (that will be debated at the upcoming Convention). The Alliance was much more committed to getting the state out of your hair than the new Conservatives. Not least considering Mr Harper's.... iffy... proclamations of late.

But, as a member of the Conservative Party, who works on a local EDA board of directors (AND goes to school so that I can avoid ever working in a factory!), I thank you for support. The left-wing media says we lost the election - we gained in seats, unlike the Liberals. For a brand-new party without a constitution or a set of policies to gain twenty seats, while reducing the Liberal majority to minority, and be told we lost? I think people like you prove them otherwise.

Hey, dude, education isn't everything; my dad was a programming specialist. He literrally wrote the programming behind many of today's successful programs such as Oracle. Just because someone has a very good education does not guarentee them a job.


It does however level the playing field to a certain point. If, though education you can get your foot in the door, you are set. The rest is up to you...

I would wager the vast majority of people who could not suceed with a good usable education (ummm dont take a major in art please) are either lazy, stupid or in rare cases really unlucky. The majority would be in the lazy class IMO.

I guess I would be a republican if I lived in the states. However, I dont think i would have voted for anyone quite frankly in the last election. Bush is just too christain for my tastes. Kerry was not someone I wanted as a leader either.


I mean a trillion dollars in the hole? WTF? How is that republican?

I am personally economically right wing but left wing socially. I could care less if gays get married, you can marry a horse if you want. I dont think the government should have any say in it's citizen's private lives. Stop telling me how god is in your life as the pres. Fuck thats scary, church + state need to be seperated.

I believe in legal drugs, hookers, and low low taxes to a point.

I dont believe in welfare or employment insurance and think they should TOTALLY scraped but believe in social medicine and cheap higher education. I think the arts and other crap should not be funded by any goverment.

So what the hell would i be considered in the states? A left wing republican or right wing democrat?

I am voting for the conversatives here in canada for sure....

You would be a libertarian in the US. They got about 2% of the vote this election (including mine).

You would be a libertarian in the US. They got about 2% of the vote this election (including mine).


Even though I want socialized medicine + cheap education? :p

It does however level the playing field to a certain point. If, though education you can get your foot in the door, you are set. The rest is up to you...

I would wager the vast majority of people who could not suceed with a good usable education (ummm dont take a major in art please) are either lazy, stupid or in rare cases really unlucky. The majority would be in the lazy class IMO.
I seriously hope you are not including my father in this statement; he is the exact opposite of lazy. In fact, most of these people are spending every minute they can trying to find a job; I know my dad was. Now that he has one, he refuses to take a sick day even though he really needs to see a doctor. And he's sixty-two. You need to open your eyes to reality, and see just what they're doing. I know, because I've seen it occur myself.

I seriously hope you are not including my father in this statement; he is the exact opposite of lazy. In fact, most of these people are spending every minute they can trying to find a job; I know my dad was. Now that he has one, he refuses to take a sick day even though he really needs to see a doctor. And he's sixty-two. You need to open your eyes to reality, and see just what they're doing. I know, because I've seen it occur myself.


Well the It industry is depressed right now. Why should I feel sorry for the guy though? Is he dieing from lack of food? Does he have a house to live in? Hmmmmm maybe he should get a smaller house. BOO HOOO

Even though I want socialized medicine + cheap education? :p

No party is perfect :cool:

Well the It industry is depressed right now. Why should I feel sorry for the guy though? Is he dieing from lack of food? Does he have a house to live in? Hmmmmm maybe he should get a smaller house. BOO HOOO
Look, you could at least have some compassion, you bastard. And I don't feel sorry at all for saying that; you be a jerk to me and disrespect my father who has worked so hard that you probably wouldn't understand it all, you deserve it.

I've got an idea. How about everyone MUST get college education money from the government. That way, if the bums want to sit on their..welll..bum all the time, they don't get any welfare because they have the education to get a job.

Look, you could at least have some compassion, you bastard. And I don't feel sorry at all for saying that; you be a jerk to me and disrespect my father who has worked so hard that you probably wouldn't understand it all, you deserve it.

He asked a few questions. Why should we feel sorry? Still have a house? Still got a computer? Stil got an internet conenction? Still got a car or two?

My father was "unemployed" for about a year, during which we built our second house, an investment/rental property that if we sold today would net us more than 200k more than it cost to build. Building a third as we speak... and that house should net us more than a 100k+ when it sells. We financed those properties using his house as the leverage. He basicaly went and created his own job.

He was a CPA with Arthur Anderson for awhile and then odd jobs till he became the property manager of a shopping center. That center got sold and he lost his job. Took him more than a year till he switched careers entirely. Now he's something of a general contractor/real estate broker and looks like he'll make more money doing what he is doing now than what he used to do.

BTW; those CPA jobs with the big firms are also going over to India to some extent. Tax code is tax code, you can be anywhere in the world and learn the American tax system.

I've got an idea. How about everyone MUST get college education money from the government. That way, if the bums want to sit on their..welll..bum all the time, they don't get any welfare because they have the education to get a job.

There is a reason a HS education doesn't mean to much, its because virtually everyone has it. If everyone had to go through college, a BA/BS in a lot things wouldn't matter, and you'd really need a masters to be competitive.

I'm sorry Jayastan, but I think your ideas about going back to school if you get laid off are total crap. It isn't feasable to go back to school and live off of loans just because you happened to get laid off. What about all the people who are perfectly well educated already who get laid off and can't find another job? Should they just go back to school and get another degree in another field? Change the course of their entire life, start a whole new career, and hope it doesn't happen again? They'll just keep racking up debt by taking out more loans, even if they are low interest.

Gee, I've managed to do it several times. Without taking out any loans, and without being rich, and without a government grant, and without any money from friends or relatives.