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I'm just curious to see whether either franchise has fans on these forums. Alien Drone vs. Standard Predator. Feel free to discuss Elder vs. Queen, or Toddler vs. Chestburster.

Me, I'm a Predator fan.

Predator. There's nothing spectacular about a giant insect drone that functions solely on instinct for the good of the hive.

Anybody got the link to that VGcats comic?
A faceful of alien wing-wong!
^_^
That was great.

Anyway, I prefer Predators...they have many ways to violently kill people, whereas aliens can: Bite, claw, or burst out of your chest. Predators have cool plasma cannons, neato facemasks, and stuff. Aliens have looks on thier side, but dont judge people by their face :P

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=108
There we are.

DOH, double post.
Spaced for a moment >_<

Anyway, face it, humans suck. The predators hunt us down, and skin/debone us. Aliens (face it) rape us to death, or maul us.
Humans only win through sheer numbers and lots of luck. Plus they have whatsherface, with her semi-alien wossname condition and acid blood.

Sigourney Weaver and Ahnold will band together and massacre all the aliens and predators. Then Weaver will lay the smack down on Ahnold with her big strap-on.

Much, much more fun playing Alien - the pounce is just so primal.
It's much more terrifying when the aliens attack, too - the predators shoot lasers at you and you die maybe, but without that adrenaline rush you get from seeing an alien soaring through the air straight at your face.

and Survivor is the best online multiplayer game in AvP2, since I'm opining.

Humans.

Aliens have wicked cool acid blood and are nasty buggers physically.

Predators are awesome hunters with great toys used to hunt Aliens.

Both are quite bad-ass and share a very interesting order versus chaos dichotomy.

However...

Humans will burn you to death and use the shell of your corpse to fight your sister. Now that's just mean.

Yes, I have to admit that, in AvPII (the game), I prefer playing as Alien when there are other Aliens in the game, because the wall-walking solves so many transportation problems and because the pounce REALLY kicks butt. However, against just humans, playing as Predator and watching them panic when they can't see you is easily my favorite aspect of the game.

And that VGCats comic was hilarious; I saw a link to that on the PlanetAvP Forums a while back.

Oh, and Alien fans may appreciate a certain re-enactment at this website (http://www.angryalien.com). It's hilarious.

ADDED: Quick question: for Predator fans, what's your favorite weapon? For Alien fans: disembowelment, impalement, or SEVERE head trauma via inner jaws?

Sigourney Weaver and Ahnold will band together and massacre all the aliens and predators. Then Weaver will lay the smack down on Ahnold with her big strap-on.

WOW! Now that would be the only time I´d wish I´d be Ahnuld... ehmm. You folks didn´t hear that...

Anyway, I´d say: The Predators win. They´re cool!

Forgot to mention: my favorite Predator weapon is the Combistick, followed closely by the wristblades seen in AvP (you know, the ones FOUR TIMES AS LONG as the ones in the original movie?).

Alien.

They're just too damn cool.

Well, sure, they're cool.

But can they cloak? :p

Well, sure, they're cool.

But can they cloak? :p

No, but you can't see them in IR, they move silently and can easily walk on walls or cieling. They don't need a cloaking device.

Aliens manage to be badass without any technology at all. If you put a standard predator, alien drone and a human in an arena without any technology or weapons, the alien is the only one walking out alive.

Naturally. The Alien's a walking, drooling tank.

But the reason the Predator has so much technology is because it has an intellect vastly superior to that of the Alien. So if both the Alien and the Predator are at the top of their form, the Predator stands a hopping good chance of victory.

The predator, every time. They just need to make sure it doesn't overly sample people. It's cool a few times, but not all the time. As for its weapons and standing a chance against the alien, give a pred wristblades, and it'll stand a fighting chance each and every time. An alien might have power, but the predator can hold it off, and strike when it's guaranteed a kill.

The predator, every time. They just need to make sure it doesn't overly sample people. It's cool a few times, but not all the time. As for its weapons and standing a chance against the alien, give a pred wristblades, and it'll stand a fighting chance each and every time. An alien might have power, but the predator can hold it off, and strike when it's guaranteed a kill.
I haven't seen the movie, but it seems to me that the Alien's acid blood would be a problem for predator in close combat.

Predator has a double bladed knife, laser beams, invisble body armor and a nuke

Alien has claws and teeth


Predator wins

Aliens always seem to be in a bad mood to me. :confused: but they are cool

I haven't seen the movie, but it seems to me that the Alien's acid blood would be a problem for predator in close combat.

It'd be a problem, but the pred has the med-comp, so as long as the pred dispatched it quickly, it'll only be partially damaged, and keeps away. Acid blood is only dangerous after the alien gets its arse kicked.

If it's the alien alone vs. the predator, the predator wins every time.

If it's a huge hive of aliens vs. a small group of predators, go alien.

Humans can run along like idiots shooting at everything and get decapitated by discs/heads bitten off.

Man, those games ruled. :D Can't say much about the movie itself though...

Predator One on One.

But aliens always mass rushes the predators. Something like how russians fight.

Personally, the predator can hold its own against loads of aliens. So go predator.

Although I actually like the pred-alien. My god, how hard is that!

Man, those games ruled. :D Can't say much about the movie itself though...
True, the games were fun. The movie wasn't awful, I thought. Good popcorn flick.

Lesse...Alien gets extra points for good dental hygiene, but the Predator's got the Hunting Mask, the Combistick, the Cloaking Field Generator, the Wristblades, the Disc (also known as the Frisbee of Death), the Plasmacaster, the Spear-Gun (perhaps my favorite weapon in the game), and the Nuclear Self-Destruct. Just too darn cool.

Predators. If you read the books the say that their armor is acid resistant. I think the movie screwed up on that.

Well, "acid-resistant" isn't "acid-proof," and since they're teenage Predators likely to die anyway, I don't think Elders felt like spending the money to upgrade their armor.

"You think we should give the kids the special acid-proof armor?"
"Are you kidding? That's my new moon-roof upgrade on my spaceship we're throwing away."
"Yeah, you're right. They probably won't notice, anyway..."

Predator. I just love the idea of a being that's out there killing bi pedals for sport. Also, I mean, the arm band cloaking device! One moment please... SLICE! Head taken and on to the next prey. Although the Predators could lose the fangs.

Predators, and who said you can't see on IR, the predators have electric vision and taht the preds DO show up on.

But Predators are soooo much more awesome.
"Wanna go hunting?" "Sure, don't forget the nuke!"

Alien. Hands down. In Alien, we see action from frame 1 and we know what the alien looks like. They spend the entire movie pursuing and being pursued. They are slowly killed off, and Ripley comes back for a second movie, which was even better. The last two sucked, I'll say that. But the first two were some of the best movies ever made. (It is kinda hard to put something like this into words, y'know?) Now, in Predator, the movie is pretty much Arnold and Jesse stomping around the jungle, occasionally finding the mangled remains of remains of remains what used to to be some guy, who we don't even see get killed. It takes them half to movie to figure out that Predator is the culprit, and then Ventura dies. The final scene is cool, but the movie is BORING! The second one is worse! Alien wins THAT fight!

I'd have to go with Alien as a creature over Predator as well. Predator has all of this cool stuff, but he couldn't do squat without it. Predator just kills and is done. Alien... now, he makes them wait.

Well, the Alien films (well, the first two, at any rate) are better than the Predator films, no doubt about it. But the reason the Predator has those weapons is because he has a superior intellect; the weapons come with the package. If inventiveness counts for nothing and they have to fight naked, then humans downright suck. At least Predators have greater strength than Humans.

And the Alien doesn't make his prey wait if he/she/it can help it. Like in Aliens, with superior numbers, they'll swarm the opponent with reckless abandon. And the Predator's sense of relative mercy (note: RELATIVE) makes him much more "human," so he's that much easier to relate to.

And the Alien doesn't make his prey wait if he/she/it can help it. Like in Aliens, with superior numbers, they'll swarm the opponent with reckless abandon. And the Predator's sense of relative mercy (note: RELATIVE) makes him much more "human," so he's that much easier to relate to.

It also makes the Pred more likely to let his prey think of a way to kill him.

The alien is nothing but ruthless efficiency.

It also makes the Pred more likely to let his prey think of a way to kill him.

The alien is nothing but ruthless efficiency.
No argument there. But it's still nice to see that the Predator appreciates a challenge now and then.

True, the games were fun. The movie wasn't awful, I thought. Good popcorn flick.

It wasnt *terrible* but it was pretty disappointing. It could have been really good...

It wasnt *terrible* but it was pretty disappointing. It could have been really good...
True. But if it makes you feel any better, I hear the sequel's going to be all-out WAR.

I like the Predators. They seem more interesting than the Aliens.

True. But if it makes you feel any better, I hear the sequel's going to be all-out WAR.

Here's my predicted plotline:

Pred ship crashes on earth, somewhere remote like northern Canada or the Amazon, maybe the Sahara. Aliens have taken over the ship, all being born from a predalien queen that chestbursted out of the warrior at the end of AVP. Marines come in to investigate and another Pred ship lands to see what happened. Preds and Humans team up to kill all the aliens. And they lived happily ever after.

Here's my predicted plotline:

Pred ship crashes on earth, somewhere remote like northern Canada or the Amazon, maybe the Sahara. Aliens have taken over the ship, all being born from a predalien queen that chestbursted out of the warrior at the end of AVP. Marines come in to investigate and another Pred ship lands to see what happened. Preds and Humans team up to kill all the aliens. And they lived happily ever after.
Eh, I dunno. No reason for the chestburster in the first movie to be a Queen; no Elders in their right mind would put a Queen egg in the Sacrificial Chamber to run loose.

I'm thinking more like this:

The Queen at the bottom of the ocean at the end of the movie freezes into a block down there for 100 years. At the end of that 100 years, the next rite of passage is due, and the Preds show up again. When they get there, they find the planet Earth nearly overrun by Aliens; in the interim 100 years, the Queen has thawed from global warming (or if it suits you better, Antartic submersible divers who stuck their noses in the wrong place) and made her way to shore. The Aliens are taking over the planet, and there are only a few vestiges left of the human race. The Elders aboard the ship carrying the teenagers call off the hunt and decide to help the human resistance reclaim the planet. Elder and teen Predators alike suit up for war (which means we might see all sorts of new toys :mp5: :gundge: :sniper: ) and land on Earth. THE WAR HAS BEGUN...

Feel free to critique/refine/thrash my idea, but there it is...

Here's my predicted plotline:

Pred ship crashes on earth, somewhere remote like northern Canada or the Amazon, maybe the Sahara. Aliens have taken over the ship, all being born from a predalien queen that chestbursted out of the warrior at the end of AVP. Marines come in to investigate and another Pred ship lands to see what happened. Preds and Humans team up to kill all the aliens. And they lived happily ever after.

I wouldn't mind betting on that one :p

Feel free to critique/refine/thrash my idea, but there it is...

Ah, but humanity knows little about the aliens in the original movies/games. Why would they (Weyland) be so interested in preserving specimens in those if Earth was once crawling with them?

"Alien or Predator?"

Yo, Dudes! Get a friggin' GRIP! Alien was a movie starring Sigourney friggin' WEAVER, for crying out loud, who now resembles no one more than your friggin' GRAMMAW! Predator was a movie starring Aanald Swartze-friggin'-negger, who's now the Governator of friggin' CALIFORNIA, and is trying to get the US Constitution amended so he can be friggin' PREZ!

I mean, get, like, you know, friggin' OVER it, ok???

Predator will win... alien are no match to the predators weapons. Besides the predator can become invinsible.

"Alien or Predator?"

Yo, Dudes! Get a friggin' GRIP! Alien was a movie starring Sigourney friggin' WEAVER, for crying out loud, who now resembles no one more than your friggin' GRAMMAW! Predator was a movie starring Aanald Swartze-friggin'-negger, who's now the Governator of friggin' CALIFORNIA, and is trying to get the US Constitution amended so he can be friggin' PREZ!

I mean, get, like, you know, friggin' OVER it, ok???

I would still "do" Ms. Weaver. She makes me want to "protect" her. (I bet you never heard it called that before.)

Predator will win... alien are no match to the predators weapons. Besides the predator can become invinsible.

Xenomorphs can "see" cloaked Predators. The don't process visual information through visible light. They dectect electromagnetic fields and brainwave energy with sensory organs along the length of their skull, allowing them to detect Predators under cloak or enemies behind some walls.

I would still "do" Ms. Weaver. She makes me want to "protect" her. (I bet you never heard it called that before.)
Never heard what called that before? Heh! :D

Never heard what called that before? Heh! :D

Well young man, when a man feels a certain way about a woman, he wants to get "closer" to her...........

Well young man, when a man feels a certain way about a woman, he wants to get "closer" to her...........
[ Pointing ] Hey! This guy called me "YOUNG man!" Wow! :D

Ah, but humanity knows little about the aliens in the original movies/games. Why would they (Weyland) be so interested in preserving specimens in those if Earth was once crawling with them?
Hmm, good question. I never thought about whether it fit with the previous mythos.

Darn it; I was getting attached to that idea, too. In that case, it might make a better comic book than a movie.

ARGH!!! are people wanne make me start crying? THE NAME IS XENOMORPH!!!!!

Yes, yes, we realize the fact, calm down. Point is that "Alien" is not only the name of the movie, but it's easier to type. Besides, "XvY" sounds like a screwed-up attempt at reciting the alphabet. If you want to cry, feel free; no need to shout over other people's usage choices. You remind me of a kid at my school who has a SERIOUS shouting problem...

Yes, yes, we realize the fact, calm down. Point is that "Alien" is not only the name of the movie, but it's easier to type. Besides, "XvY" sounds like a screwed-up attempt at reciting the alphabet. If you want to cry, feel free; no need to shout over other people's usage choices. You remind me of a kid at my school who has a SERIOUS shouting problem...


dident know that the text was going to be that big =P

I just wanted To inform all that did not know that ^^

I most say that Xenomorphs are the most perfect lifeform ever!
OMG I just love them ^^

And say eat meatballs to the kid from me..

I most say that Xenomorphs are the most perfect lifeform ever!
OMG I just love them ^^

I'm sure they'd be more than happy to reciprocate the sentiment. :fluffle:

Xenos the perfect lifeform? Eh, mebbe to Ian Holm. In the words of Mr. Schwarzenegger: "If it bleeds, we can kill it."

In the words of Mr. Schwarzenegger: "If it bleeds, we can kill it. :sniper: "

Why :confused:
Why not let the destruciton of earth come faster!
Let all the people in the world sacrifice there self In the egg champer :) :D

I think the predator is like a guy with a shotgun trying to kill a fly, but just take away his smancy weapons and watch the fly chew his head off.

I think the predator is like a guy with a shotgun trying to kill a fly, but just take away his smancy weapons and watch the fly chew his head off.
Well, like I said before, the weapons come with the package, because they are representative of the Predator's superior intelligence. If you wanna lambasted a species for using weapons, thrash the humans. If we didn't have any weapons, we'd be in ever more crap than the Predators. Bottom line: any thing that can beast Arnold Schwarzenegger in HAND-TO-HAND combat has got my vote.

Bottom line: any thing that can beast Arnold Schwarzenegger in HAND-TO-HAND combat has got my vote.

You can't vote twice. ;)

I would like to see Ah-nuld fight a Xenomorph.

Well, like I said before, the weapons come with the package, because they are representative of the Predator's superior intelligence. If you wanna lambasted a species for using weapons, thrash the humans. If we didn't have any weapons, we'd be in ever more crap than the Predators. Bottom line: any thing that can beast Arnold Schwarzenegger in HAND-TO-HAND combat has got my vote.

ur right about the package thing, but predators usually hunt alone or in small groups while aliens are with hundreds & if 1 dies nobody cares + if predators can't use there fistknifethingies because of the acid blood. the would just kill or severely wound themselves. Also cloaking has no effect on aliens, they can smell the predator and thell just attack him anyway.

I just voted predator, but on thinking a little more... I shoulda voted Alien.

I mean the predators are REALLY cool, but they're too "human" in a way, you can understand their motives. Aliens are purely that, and fiersome animals and hunters to boot. Who can dislike sitting in a ceiling vent waiting for a marine to walk past before you drop down and have brain stew :d

In the end I think that humans would win. If they have the tech from the aliens movies. They would just bomb the crap out of those aliens. And I haven't seen much of predator tech. Their capable of space travell but probebly don't have the military equipment humans have ( battelships, tanks,plains, bombs, ... ) Their just hunters. So in big battles humans would win again both of them. (I think)

In the end I think that humans would win. If they have the tech from the aliens movies. They would just bomb the crap out of those aliens. And I haven't seen much of predator tech. Their capable of space travell but probebly don't have the military equipment humans have ( battelships, tanks,plains, bombs, ... ) Their just hunters. So in big battles humans would win again both of them. (I think)
I wouldn't be so quick to judge the Predators' technology just yet. There's reason to believe that the weapons they use for the traditional hunt are different from the weapons they use in war.

Not only that, but in AvP, they displayed use of a powerful heat/laser beam that cut a 200-foot tunnel through the ice, despite any obstacles in the way (like water towers and buildings). The only thing that can match that in destructive power is probably the Death Star ray, which is in a different universe entirely.

Actually, you could probably do that much damage and more with a turbo-laser blast. Eitherway, I don't beleive that AVP as a film is much of a decent representation of either species.

Put simply, the whole film was little more than a cash in...

I would however agree that although the predators overall technological level is much greater than that of the human race in all periods both literary and in movies. The main difference appears to be religious, the predators seem to refuse to use their technology to unfair advantage, even when warring among their own race.

In the end I think that humans would win. If they have the tech from the aliens movies. They would just bomb the crap out of those aliens. And I haven't seen much of predator tech. Their capable of space travell but probebly don't have the military equipment humans have ( battelships, tanks,plains, bombs, ... ) Their just hunters. So in big battles humans would win again both of them. (I think)

An army of Pred's would all use plasma casters for war. I believe they only use primitive weapons for hunting, to make it more of a challenge. Xenomorphs are notoriously hard to kill by just "bombing the crap out of them". In Aliens, the queen survived radiation and shockwaves from a nuclear blast and survived on the trip through vacuum to the Sulacco. In AVP, the queen kept struggling even as she was dragged down into freezing water. In Alien, the xenomorph grabbed on to an engine mount while in vacuum. The ability to survive in these environments suggests that those aliens not killed by shrapnell or an incredibly intense heat or pressure wave would probably live through a nuclear attack.

An army of Pred's would all use plasma casters for war. I believe they only use primitive weapons for hunting, to make it more of a challenge. Xenomorphs are notoriously hard to kill by just "bombing the crap out of them". In Aliens, the queen survived radiation and shockwaves from a nuclear blast and survived on the trip through vacuum to the Sulacco. In AVP, the queen kept struggling even as she was dragged down into freezing water. In Alien, the xenomorph grabbed on to an engine mount while in vacuum. The ability to survive in these environments suggests that those aliens not killed by shrapnell or an incredibly intense heat or pressure wave would probably live through a nuclear attack.
Eh, they probably wouldn't be able to live through a nuclear attack (the Queen had a head start, and didn't get the full blast). But you're right, Xenos are almost certainly extremophiles, much more so than humans or (possibly) Predators.

And I dunno about the turbolaser blast doing the same amount of damage...the Predator ship fired the blast from orbit and drilled a perfect circle through buildings and walls straight into the ice. In the Star Wars video games, at least, the turbolaser seems a little wimpy by comparison; no Swiss cheese ships yet seen in the movies...

Eh, they probably wouldn't be able to live through a nuclear attack (the Queen had a head start, and didn't get the full blast). But you're right, Xenos are almost certainly extremophiles, much more so than humans or (possibly) Predators.

What I meant was that those far away enough from the blast center to not be killed instantly would probably live.

I'm a little dodgy on which ship the sulacco was, its been a while since I was in my last AVP Aliens/Predator stage. However, in several of the alien novels, I can't remember whether it was the music of the spears and or earth hive + its predecessor. It is mentioned that aliens have an extremely strong resistance to cold. To the extent that the colder temperatures get, even in the vacuum of space, aliens basically go into like a hibernation kinda mode and can survive for extended periods.

If you're referring to any of the movies with your sulacco quote (possibly aliens), I beleive the queen hitched a ride with the transport bishop was piloting. Hence it would've avoided the heat and pressure wave from the nuclear blast.

Eh, they probably wouldn't be able to live through a nuclear attack (the Queen had a head start, and didn't get the full blast). But you're right, Xenos are almost certainly extremophiles, much more so than humans or (possibly) Predators.

And I dunno about the turbolaser blast doing the same amount of damage...the Predator ship fired the blast from orbit and drilled a perfect circle through buildings and walls straight into the ice. In the Star Wars video games, at least, the turbolaser seems a little wimpy by comparison; no Swiss cheese ships yet seen in the movies...


For turbo-lasers, I suggest you read the turbo-laser comentaries at http://www.stardestroyer.net

Mr Wong although quite arrogant, has quite a few good idea's on the whole thing. Added to the fact that we're talking about drilling a hole, you don't need a deathstar superlaser to do that (they blow up planets not drill holes). I would agree with you however that a turbolaser blast would likely not be accurate and cause a rather large crater however.

Hmm...with regards to that website: methinks the author has a bit too much spare time on his hands...

You won't get any argument from me on that account :D

Would you not agree however, that his arguments to seem to be quite convincing :p

I'm open to any person that can proove it otherwise :)

If you're referring to any of the movies with your sulacco quote (possibly aliens), I beleive the queen hitched a ride with the transport bishop was piloting. Hence it would've avoided the heat and pressure wave from the nuclear blast.

The Sulacco was the mothership for the marines in Aliens The queen hung on to the outside of the dropship all the way up from the planet's surface.

You won't get any argument from me on that account :D

Would you not agree however, that his arguments to seem to be quite convincing :p

I'm open to any person that can proove it otherwise :)
Well, convincing, sure, but then again, there are also a lot of pseudoscientists who can also be very convincing to layfolk. Since I lack the scientific expertise to even totally follow his arguments, I'll take his word for it. Still, I'd personally prefer to just chalk everything up to dazzling special effects rather than scientific rationale. I don't think the folks at ILM had science so much as big/cool-looking explosions in mind.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge the Predators' technology just yet. There's reason to believe that the weapons they use for the traditional hunt are different from the weapons they use in war.



Hmmm could be but predators are a hunting race, its the meaning of their existance. There an alien race and their society is totally diffrent from humans therefor it wouldn't be strange if they didn't even have an army.

And about the bombing alien thing. Humans don't allways have to use A-bombs. We have other bombs that are also extreemly powerfull and with the technology that humans have in the alien movies we prolly have so nice things. ^^ If a planet was infested with aliens why just not bomb the crap out of it (unless its earth). Or we could develop a virus for instance that only kills aliens or something like that. Only humans would develop these kind of weapons.

Hmmm could be but predators are a hunting race, its the meaning of their existance. There an alien race and their society is totally diffrent from humans therefor it wouldn't be strange if they didn't even have an army.

We hunt. We have rocket launchers. Doesn't mean we use the latter to do the former.

Not only that, but the Predators have plasmacasters, which are pretty destructive as it is. Chances are that, in war, their equal-weapon honor system goes out the window and it's every species for itself. In which case, I think the humans should definitely want to ally themselves with the Predators.

We hunt. We have rocket launchers. Doesn't mean we use the latter to do the former.


mmm, I'm saying this because in no movie or so predators show any signs of military activity. The name predator itself wich means hunter. Also in every movie or game predators show them selves in small groups. They may have other tech but I really doubt that they have some kind of military structure.

And thats why I think that in big fights humans would win

In Aliens, the queen survived radiation and shockwaves from a nuclear blast and survived on the trip through vacuum to the Sulacco.

they were far enough away that the shockwaves would not be lethal, as the dropship was only shaken

The ability to survive in these environments suggests that those aliens not killed by shrapnell or an incredibly intense heat or pressure wave would probably live through a nuclear attack.

yet in Alien, it was killed when it crawled into the escape pods engines and they Ripley hit the afterburner roasting it
shrapnel has nothing to do with heat or cold, it's thousands of razor sharp metal shards flying about at extremely high velocity, an xenomorph wouldn't survive that

The Sulacco was the mothership for the marines in Aliens The queen hung on to the outside of the dropship all the way up from the planet's surface

I beleive she climbed into the landing gear bay when a blast made the dropship veer to the side ploughing into the platform on which the queen was standing on. You see here climb out of it while in the landing bay aboard the Sulaco


Anyone ever read the Aliens vs Predator four part comic series that came out in the early 90's by Darkhorse Comics? That is what i think they should have done for the movie.
In the series, on an farming planet way out somewhere in space, a drone Predator ship lands and lays Xenomorph eggs in a pasture and the alien cattle creatures get infested.
They are then hearded up by unscrupulous farmers to be shipped offworld, but the chestbursters hatch in the ship prior to lift off. Ship then becomes infested.
Then a ship of young predators led by a veteran predator show up to hunt the ultimate prey. Mayhem ensues, with humans cought in the middle

And one more thing, doesn't xenomorph mean alien?

yet in Alien, it was killed when it crawled into the escape pods engines and they Ripley hit the afterburner roasting it
shrapnel has nothing to do with heat or cold, it's thousands of razor sharp metal shards flying about at extremely high velocity, an xenomorph wouldn't survive that

No it wasn't it was still struggling as it flew awayfrom the ship, the blast only made it lose its grip. I know what shrapnell is, and I never said xenomorphs could survive it. A xenomorph that wasn't killed by shrapnell or the initial shockwave would probably live through any attack.


And one more thing, doesn't xenomorph mean alien?
Yes

mmm, I'm saying this because in no movie or so predators show any signs of military activity. The name predator itself wich means hunter. Also in every movie or game predators show them selves in small groups. They may have other tech but I really doubt that they have some kind of military structure.

And thats why I think that in big fights humans would win
True that Predator means "hunter" (in fact, "Hunter" was the original title of the movie, but they changed it to avoid confusion with another movie of the same name; personally, I'm grateful for the name change; Predator just sounds cooler :cool: ), but that doesn't mean they don't have military capacities. The real species name is "Yautja" (if you wanna know what it means, well, you got me there). The Predators are a complex species, with evidently-violent tendencies and a number of different clans. To think that there's no existent military structure seems a little farfetched to me.

And you'll note that also in every movie or game, the Predator homeworld is never shown. Who knows what big, bad toys they might have back home? If they use this relatively-heavy duty technology for RECREATION, then I'd say the humans would have a bit of a problem if the Preds declared war.

Who knows , who knows? :) but it istn so farfetched. Here on earth there are tribes that don't have a military and just hunt. I know there's a huge technology difference. But you don't have to have guns to have a military + its just to make a comparisen. A military is something not all races/species have. You have to know its an alien race, they are most likley extreemly diffrent from us and thus think en act diffrent.

Hmm, true.

But it'd be so much more FUN if Predators used bigger, badder weapons in wartime. :gundge:



And with Predators, chances are there's bound to be SOME inter-tribal conflict. Somehow, I doubt that a race capable of space travel would still be using primarily bladed weapons when survival is on the line.

I just feel to type some info:

The Predator species code of honor:
1) Defeat equals death.
2) An opponent has to be matched equally in the available weapons.
3) The bugs are not opponents to be dealt honorably, buds are the rivals in a vicious war.
4) Opponents virtually in situations of feebleness (or maybe pregnancy and other things) may be spared.

THE YAUTJA CASTES

UNBLOODED: Young Yautja who are trained the skills necessary for their adult hunting. They will move to the next rank after their first hunt.

YOUNG BLOODS: Recently blooded Yautja. They are young and full of ambition and feel full of pride once they have collected the skull of their kill.

BLOODED: The only difference between the BLOODED and the YOUNG BLOODS is that the BLOODED have more experienced but still not classed high among the great hunters.

WARRIORS: Violent, respected, solo hunters with high Yautja technology. They travel the Universe to find honorable hunting.

HONORED: The Top Dogs. They have earned more kills than the average hunter and are skilled in all ways.

ANCIENTS / ELDARS: The greatest Yautja that have ever lived, they have survived a thousand hunts. They have hunted so much that they look for other means of sport.

ARBITRATORS: Yautja police that mainly consist of ANCIENTS who are bored with the Hunt.

RITUAL -- THE BLOODING

A ritual where a young Yautja goes on its first hunt. The difficulty of this hunt depends on your
standing amongst the community. Failure means death, while success means you are marked on your
forehead.

MARK OF HONOR:

All Predators that make it to Young Blood have a mark burned into their foreheads to denote their position as successful Hunters. This mark is the shape of a wide lightning bolt. All who have this mark is recognized as a true Hunter. The mark can only be given by Elders. Ceremonies often occur but most of the time, this mark is awarded after the first hunt.



and the standar gear:

CAMOFLAGE DEVICE: To hunt successfully, the perfect camouflage is needed. Every Warrior is given these techniques. Perfectly mirrored with his surroundings, he becomes invisible. This arm-mounted mechanism is the source of the unique capabilities of the hunter to render him virtually invisible. It works by creating a strong field which bends light around the Hunter

HUNTER PADDING: This is basic armor given to new warriors trying to attain a position in the upper castes. The padding is a basic mesh that doesn’t offer much more protection to the thick hide of the Hunters already. Most are designed like armored jump suits meant for casual wear in the corridors of their dark vessels. This is the closest they get to flight suits.

HUNTER ARMOR: Hunter armor is the equivalent to the Marine M3(seen the second alien movie?) body armor, which offers protection where you need it the most. The armor is light and maneuverable but it’s still vulnerable to heavy strikes.

CEREMONIAL ARMOR: Usually only reserved for the upper castes and the elders, Ceremonial Armor is only found on one hunter per combat team usually, always the leader. He/She stands out from the group as a proud symbol of honor and leadership. This interchanging plate armor is somewhat clunky, offering more dazzle than heavy-duty defense. However, the ceramic plating is composed of a totally foreign compound which seem totally immune to the alien acid. This makes the armor very efficient when fighting the hostile species.

HUNTER’S MASK: This is the basic Mask worn by lower caste warriors. It does not offer the radical spectrum viewing seen from upper caste warrior helmets but only head protection and atmospheric support (gas filter to adjust atmosphere gases to a breathable buffer substance)

AUDIO WAVEFROM ANALYZER: A function of the bio-helmet that must be bought separately, the Waveform Analyzer reacts to changes in the audio environment. A flux in the displayed waveform indicates the presence of an enemy that may or may not be in a Warriors line of sight.The Analyzer can also imitate previous words spoken to it in an effort to communicate with alien life forms.

BIO HELMET: This is a total upgrade of the helmet when a warrior has attained enough Honor. The Helmet can filter through five settings: Infrared, Ultraviolet, Thermal Imaging, Low-Light Amplification and Air Density Pressure (movement), It can also has switches for x-rays and Microwaves. It has a built it Magnetometer and a Geiger Counter. These offer almost unlimited viewing scale to see anything in almost any environment. It also works with the Laser Sight to lock onto targets. The Helmet also offers more protection than the basic and is also acid resistant

LASER SIGHT: The Laser sight is an advanced tracking and aiming sight that works in conjunction with any weapon but is primarily designed with the Plasma Caster.

and NOw A short list of weapons:

THE MAN’DACA:
Plasma Cannon
Particle Beam
Heavy Plasma Thrower

PERSONAL WEAPONS:
Scattergun
Naginata
Dart Gun
Net Gun
The Wrist Blade
Acid Resistant Claws
The Combi Stick
The Smart Disk
Shoulder Plasma Caster
Self-Destruct sequence
Side Blade

most of the fact is copyed...
(do really think I would give my time to to a list with all weapons?)

I really don't think they will start a war! maybe defend them self..
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I now working on Jockeyrace info also known as the big slampy thing in the first movie that has lay dead for a long time...

As far as I know, this Yautja stuff is all fan-fiction. You can't use that as an argument.

Now, in this threesome, humans are the ones getting double penetrated.
Humans rely on intelligence and technology.
As do Predators.
Aliens are the Zerg Rush Kekekekeke ^___________^'ers.

One on one, Predator kicks the most ass, but a drone has tricks up it's sleeve. If the predator is a newbie (see the AvP movie, the preds were newbies) the Alien has a fair chance of getting a sucker punch in. But against a well informed predator with lots of experience will prepare for the sucker punch and evade it while dispatching of the 'morph. Fighting ranged means death in open grounds, and the predator has the technology to see and prepare for sneak attacks from behind corners and such. (Sound and vision being the means, if not more) Hand-to-hand might be trickier, but I still say an experienced predator will win that one.

One on one, a human has a good chance of taking out a drone at range. No chance in hand-to-hand. Predators are just too good for humans. They can come from anywhere and from at almost any distance (as opposed to the drone must-be-hand-to-hand range), and the human doesn't have the means to detect it. Not soon enough, atleast.

In all-out war, Predators take the prize. Their ships are faster, smaller and pack more heat than the others. Aliens don't even have spacecrafts per se, they just stoaway and hijack ships from others. I don't think they can get a downed ship back in the air. This makes them easiest to confine on their planet. But they're the hardest to exterminate. I wouldn't even try it, just made sure no one went there with without making damn sure they're not coming back in the first place (no autopilot back up or anything).

All in all, predators take the pot. This is assuming that everyone knows what they're dealing with. The preds wouldn't fall if it wasn't for some terrible accident because they didn't know it works that way - such as bringing a queen to their homeworld to study.

Wow, I had no idea that there were this many Alien and Predator fans on NS. Well, being an AVP fan myself...I go for the Predator. Because it is so ugly, it's look will kill a xeno.

If any of you guys check the NS board, I have completed an Alien vs Predator Rp a while ago, and have the sequel going. So..guess I'll just leave the urls here.

AVP-http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6849648#post6849648

AVP2-http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382815&page=1&pp=15

Aliens don't even have spacecrafts per se, they just stoaway and hijack ships from others. I don't think they can get a downed ship back in the air. This makes them easiest to confine on their planet. But they're the hardest to exterminate. I wouldn't even try it, just made sure no one went there with without making damn sure they're not coming back in the first place (no autopilot back up or anything).

thats why we got the jockeyrace ^^

Humans when they get their act together and nuke the shit out of the aliens!

Humans when they get their act together and nuke the shit out of the aliens!
It was addressed before that nukes are surviveable. I don't think humans would want to spend so much money on nukes to actually *bomb* every single square of an entire planet just to get them.
And frankly, blowing up the planet (like really drill into the core and make it blow up, excluding disintegrating planetkillers that don't even leave a trace of land) would kill them, they'd just hide in the pieces of rock and wait to get someplace. The odds are they'd end up in a star, but some might land somewhere habitable or get picked up by spacecrafts.

It was addressed before that nukes are surviveable. I don't think humans would want to spend so much money on nukes to actually *bomb* every single square of an entire planet just to get them.
And frankly, blowing up the planet (like really drill into the core and make it blow up, excluding disintegrating planetkillers that don't even leave a trace of land) would kill them, they'd just hide in the pieces of rock and wait to get someplace. The odds are they'd end up in a star, but some might land somewhere habitable or get picked up by spacecrafts.

iF thing get's out of hand they will need to nuke them... I can think of something like this:


FIRST:

CULTS! :headbang:
there were many people who wanted the aliens to arrive, and who formed a religious cult, sacrificing themselves as willing hosts to the facehuggers. The Earth was soon overrun with hives.

SECOND:

STRUGGEL: :sniper:
Earth was now utterly overrun with the bugs. A small band of survivors hid and hoped from help from above…in the skies. The fight continued. Gateway station soon became the home of the resistance. Most corporations crumbled. The CMC* stood in the way of mankind's extinction and soon led a daring strike against the aliens from the orbiting platform, armed with information garnered from an envoy to the home planet of the aliens. Earth's defenders faced a strain of even deadlier aliens that dwelled deep within the bowels of the hives. Planting a series of linked bombs at the largest hives, the CMC succeed in killing the queen and stemming the alien infestation, but the advanced race that brought the xenomorph to LV-426 seemed to have its own interest in planet Earth.

((*Colonial Marines Corp))

AND THEN ONLY DEATH...

To answer the question of Alien vs Predator. . .


How about batman?

http://download.theforce.net/theater/batman-deadend/batman_dead_end_full_screen.mpg

(Large link warning)

Oh, is it necromancy day? Just a second, I'll dig up some very old links myself!
No, not really, it's just mandatory to tell you when you're posting an old link. You must understand.

As for Tyldanien, of course the confined planet couldn't be left unguarded. There'd be fleets orbiting, preventing these cults of yours from entering, and on the odd chance that they'd land, they'd never get out alive. And they'd have to be driven back to the planet, naturally. Some sort of outbreak is needed for the war necessary to quarantine in the first place. Humans are arrogant and dumb, they don't take serious action on stuff untill they kick their asses. Usually not even then, as the Alien series has demonstrated.

In an all scale war I think every race will have huge losses, but I really believe that in the end humans would win. If a predator planet gets infested that planet is lost. Predators won't go deep in to a hive to plant a bomb. Something humans will certainly do. As for the aliens they would probebly find a few planets to infest and maybe a new race to infest aswel.

In an all scale war I think every race will have huge losses, but I really believe that in the end humans would win. If a predator planet gets infested that planet is lost. Predators won't go deep in to a hive to plant a bomb. Something humans will certainly do. As for the aliens they would probebly find a few planets to infest and maybe a new race to infest aswel.
I disagree. They're bound to find a martyr among their honorable race, and with the wrist-nukes, they stand an extremely good chance of dealing some VERY hefty damage.