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I am a member of the US Air Force Auxillery, now quite recently my Squadron went to talk with some returning soldiers from Iraq, and I gotta say listening to these guys, is amazing. As much as you may hat the war in Iraq, you have to respect out troops and what they do. Most of the soldiers I spoke with hated something very muhc, it wasnt the president, hell most of them loved Dubya, the one thing most of the troops hated were the media. The media has tooken it upon thereselves to make it appears as if our forcesa arent doing anything in Iraq, and by doing so, they have swayed the populace into hating our troops. One of the soldiers (Staff Sgt Hanock I believe was his name) told a group of us that as he was exiting a local airstrip after retuning home, he was actually booed by someone in a lot nearby. He said he asked himselve, how could this be, how could they despise me after all I have done, the man spent more then a year defending our rights just to be booed when he got home. But how could you despsise our troops, you werent there. You can gripe, but 90% of you wont take the time to get off your ivory towers to look beyond what the media has told you and finthe truth. Hanock, really let us in on how wrong the media is. Did you know that not one military vehicle leaves an Iraq base without armor, was this reported? No! One of the soldiers got to go to Abu Gharib, did you know that 90% of the men gained wieight, hell, he said some of the men were trying to stay in jail after there terms were over. The prision is now controled by the Iraqi Judical Branch, which is operational, is this reported, NO. One of the soldiers was wounded, and he wished he could go back to defend our country, these guys are heroes, yet the media donest report on this do they. One solider I met, knew another soldier who everyday made candy, and handed it out to the Iraqi children, was this repoted, NO. It seems to be overshadowed, but did you know that 16 out of 18 of the Iraqi Provinces are self suficient? Surely information like that must have made the media, nope. I mean, the soldiers told us that the iraqis dont love us by any means and want our occupation to leave but they understand its neccesarry to ensure there peace. Our training of the Iraqi National Guard is going great, there actuallt taking on mission by themselves, although sometimes they still ned our troops to hold there hands, they have performed nearlky 48 succesful missions by themselves, is this reported, nope, all we here from the media is how we arent training them fast enough our how they never do anything. Poeple who disagree with me, I ask you to remeber that I talkied to them firsthand, and listened to theres storys without a political thought in my head, and if you could lean just what they were doing, man you would just be so proud, I feel its our duty to appreciate our troops, every time I see a man in uniform, I say thank you for what they do.

To all our troops: Come home safe. We reap the rewards of what you sow, you deserve to reap the rewards yourself. You are defending a great country that loves you, let us show our appreciation to you by you returning home safe. God bless you and thanks for what you do.

Also to be poeple who will bitch for facts, Sgt Hanock told me that the entire time he was in iraq, he never saw one reporter, so, im going to have to believe the guy who lived it over some guy who stays in a hotel room all day reporting about stuff he doesnt know.

It's because the commun--, I mean liberal, media refuses to admit that Operation Iraqi Freedom, not Operation Iraqi Liberation, you communistic conspiracy theorists, has been successful and we have freed Iraq from an oppressive dictator.

Now if only we could free America from the liberal stranglehold.

Amen.

thou shalt not kill

Correction: Thou shalt not murder.

Amen.

hey you can't pray on a public forum like this, i'm calling the PC police.

damn reactionary godlickers polluting our forum with their primative superstitious word drool.

Watch as in moments the liberals march in and twist the truth into BUSH SUCKS!!11 or some other blather.



Anyways, what he says is true, the leftist media will not report on the goodness going on in Iraq, because it does not generate revenue. Who are the greedy money craving pigs now?

good to see I have poeple who agree with me on this one. Wont be long bfore someone comes barging in praising the liberal media.

I've talked to a couple American soldiers who've just recently served in the Middle East. One story I got from a marine who served in Afganistan. He was stationed at checkpoint outside of some city with a French unit. A bus load of people approaches the checkpoint. For some reason, members of the French unit unload on the bus. Amazingly, not one person is killed or injured. The MP's show up, the French soldiers start off with the story, "It was the Americans!" A quick munitions count later, guess which nations soldiers were down a clip.

You never hear about things like that in the news.

good to see I have poeple who agree with me on this one. Wont be long bfore someone comes barging in praising the liberal media.
yes it must be hard to commit atrocities against the iraqi people with pesky reporters their unpatrioticly reporting the truth.

Watch as in moments the liberals march in and twist the truth into BUSH SUCKS!!11 or some other blather.



Anyways, what he says is true, the leftist media will not report on the goodness going on in Iraq, because it does not generate revenue. Who are the greedy money craving pigs now?

Actually, if anyone does it, it's now officially your fault, since you brought it up ;)

Actually, if anyone does it, it's now officially your fault, since you brought it up ;)
i do feel somewhat compelled to try, it was pretty much a direct challenge.

yes it must be hard to commit atrocities against the iraqi people with pesky reporters their unpatrioticly reporting the truth.

Now kind sir, I ask were you get information about horrible acts on the Iraqi poeple from US Troops, so a few bad soldiers decide to humiliate prisoners in Abu Gharib, so then that must meen that all American Troops are busy raping and pillaging Iraq, jesus, you are simply blinded by your own ignorance and stupidity.

Now kind sir, I ask were you get information about horrible acts on the Iraqi poeple from US Troops, so a few bad soldiers decide to humiliate prisoners in Abu Gharib, so then that must meen that all American Troops are busy raping and pillaging Iraq, jesus, you are simply blinded by your own ignorance and stupidity.

Wellllll, you seem to think that because a few liberals blame everything on Bush, all liberals must be hate filled generalizing idiots who control the media.

Ouch, that one might've hurt a bit.

Two words : "Embedded media".

Now kind sir, I ask were you get information about horrible acts on the Iraqi poeple from US Troops, so a few bad soldiers decide to humiliate prisoners in Abu Gharib, so then that must meen that all American Troops are busy raping and pillaging Iraq, jesus, you are simply blinded by your own ignorance and stupidity.
what about the roasting of iraqi children on barbaque spits for the marines cannibalistic satanic rituals? what about the navies use of pretty teenaged iraqi boys as sex slaves on their ships? what about the rangers using elderly iraqis for sniper practice in al kut? what about the impalement of over 200 iraqis on long poles to celibrate rumsfelds last visit to the green zone in bagdad?

what, do you think i'm just making this stuff up?

Correction: Thou shalt not murder.

Never saw that bible

here we go...


Please point out these atrocities to me, I can't seem to find any?

The humiliation of prisoners is an isolated incident, but yes it must relate to the REST of Iraq.

The torture of prisoners in Cuba? A valid method to interrogate a war prisoner. If tourturing one man gives me the information to save the lives of others, that is an acceptable price. IMHO that is.

Wellllll, you seem to think that because a few liberals blame everything on Bush, all liberals must be hate filled generalizing idiots who control the media.

Ouch, that one might've hurt a bit.


ALl liberals do mostly control the news, but im not bitching about them lieing, they rarely lie about news, im bitching about how they only report on news that is negative towards our troops or goverment.

Also your post is 100% true, I hate the medias, so srry lil buddy, not even a sting, try again tommorow.

here we go...


Please point out these atrocities to me, I can't seem to find any?

The humiliation of prisoners is an isolated incident, but yes it must relate to the REST of Iraq.

The torture of prisoners in Cuba? A valid method to interrogate a war prisoner. If tourturing one man gives me the information to save the lives of others, that is an acceptable price. IMHO that is.
please see post 16

what about the roasting of iraqi children on barbaque spits for the marines cannibalistic satanic rituals? what about the navies use of pretty teenaged iraqi boys as sex slaves on their ships? what about the rangers using elderly iraqis for sniper practice in al kut? what about the impalement of over 200 iraqis on long poles to celibrate rumsfelds last visit to the green zone in bagdad?

what, do you think i'm just making this stuff up?

yes....yes I do, its a well known fact that Marines are vegetarians....srry had top do it

Oh my, how could I have missed THOSE?! :rolleyes:

thou shalt not KILL

yes....yes I do, its a well known fact that Marines are vegetarians....srry had top do it


well sure they are vegetarians when they aren't in combat to keep them calm, but inorder to get them into peak battle shape it is widely known they must consume human flesh, preferable from children under 9.

ALl liberals do mostly control the news, but im not bitching about them lieing, they rarely lie about news, im bitching about how they only report on news that is negative towards our troops or goverment.

Also your post is 100% true, I hate the medias, so srry lil buddy, not even a sting, try again tommorow.

Wow, way to totally miss the point.

I was pointing out the hypocrasy of attacking someone for making generalizations when they, themselves, did the same.

Secondly, that post wasn't even directed towards you.

Whoo whoooooo! Look, here comes the clue train-last stop you! The media isn't liberal OR conservative, though various stations and whatnot might have a slant. The media is sensationalist. It cares less about actual news and more about entertainment.


here we go...


Please point out these atrocities to me, I can't seem to find any?

The humiliation of prisoners is an isolated incident, but yes it must relate to the REST of Iraq.

The torture of prisoners in Cuba? A valid method to interrogate a war prisoner. If tourturing one man gives me the information to save the lives of others, that is an acceptable price. IMHO that is.
Fuck you. I see how concerned you are with human life that you'd resort to torture. Torture is *NEVER* a viable means to gain information. In fact, it should never be seen as do-able at ALL.

The fact that you would say this speaks a lot about you.

The exact Hebrew wording of this biblical phrase is lo tirtzack which accurately translates as "any kind of killing whatsoever."

hey you can't pray on a public forum like this, i'm calling the PC police.

damn reactionary godlickers polluting our forum with their primative superstitious word drool.

Amen

sorry, lame joke

http://www.ebible.org/bible/ASV/Exodus.htm : "20:13 Thou shalt not kill"

Amen

sorry, lame joke
we have re education camps for the likes of you mr. smartybritches

http://www.ebible.org/bible/ASV/Deut.htm :"5:17 Thou shalt not kill"

Oh my, how could I have missed THOSE?! :rolleyes:
all documented cases

http://www.cforc.com/kjv/Exodus/20.html

and by doing so, they have swayed the populace into hating our troops. One of the soldiers (Staff Sgt Hanock I believe was his name) told a group of us that as he was exiting a local airstrip after retuning home, he was actually booed by someone in a lot nearby. He said he asked himselve, how could this be, how could they despise me after all I have done, the man spent more then a year defending our rights just to be booed when he got home.

First, the media had nothing to do with me hating out troops. Anyone who would blindly fight for their country, jsut because it's their "patriotic duty" gets massive hate from me.

Second, they didn't defend OUR rights over there. How were they defending OUR rights in a foriegn country? Iraq never invaded us. They never did a THING to us.

And for the record, the Iraqi people would much rather have Saddam back in power. Why? Because wit hhim there, at least they didn't have massive riots, land mines in the streets. They might not have had freedom, but they had security. Which is the definition of law. Giving up your freedoms for security.

Watch as in moments the liberals march in and twist the truth into BUSH SUCKS!!11 or some other blather.



Anyways, what he says is true, the leftist media will not report on the goodness going on in Iraq, because it does not generate revenue. Who are the greedy money craving pigs now?

The left reports the good about as accuratley as the right reports the bad. Freeing people from an oppresive dictator is good, leaving them in a state where they could get killed not for being agaist that dictator, but for being in the wrong spot at the wrong time, (like a public bus, hospitalm etc,) is bad. Trying to help rebuild an economy is good, trying to make it a puppet of ours is bad. I could go on. I personally am very agianst the war, but everything has it's trade offs, and people are welcome to their own opinion (but I wish they would do some research to back it up).

another nice one: Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

what was that with those "weapons of mass destruction" again?

I've talked to a couple American soldiers who've just recently served in the Middle East. One story I got from a marine who served in Afganistan. He was stationed at checkpoint outside of some city with a French unit. A bus load of people approaches the checkpoint. For some reason, members of the French unit unload on the bus. Amazingly, not one person is killed or injured. The MP's show up, the French soldiers start off with the story, "It was the Americans!" A quick munitions count later, guess which nations soldiers were down a clip.

You never hear about things like that in the news.

Welp, the french didn't kill anyone. Obviously there's a lack of efficiency there, the last time the americans opened up at a truck carrying Iraqui children, a lot of death.

...If god's on our side, who's on theirs?

...If god's on our side, who's on theirs?

Alah.

(anyone who gets this joke is commended)

...If god's on our side, who's on theirs?

i'd assume satan sides with the marines(the cannibalistic rituals preformed in his name and all).

First, the media had nothing to do with me hating out troops. Anyone who would blindly fight for their country, jsut because it's their "patriotic duty" gets massive hate from me.

Second, they didn't defend OUR rights over there. How were they defending OUR rights in a foriegn country? Iraq never invaded us. They never did a THING to us.

And for the record, the Iraqi people would much rather have Saddam back in power. Why? Because wit hhim there, at least they didn't have massive riots, land mines in the streets. They might not have had freedom, but they had security. Which is the definition of law. Giving up your freedoms for security.

Okay look, originally they were protecting us, when all of your information agents tell yu that a nation may have WMD and may be seeling them to Al Queda, we had every right to do what we did.

Soldiers know what there getting into when they sign up for the military, there not fighting blindly, there fighting for what they belive in, if you would stick your head out of your ass to realise that the military isnt just a group of puppets, but indeed a group of poeple doing what they feel; is right, then maybe you wont be so biased on our troops.

Saddam was eviul, however under him there was stability, but the Irqi poeple know that once the insurgencys are over, Iraq will be better off then it was under Saddam, unless you have talked to actual Iraqese like these guys have, then you need to STFU.

Alah.

(anyone who gets this joke is commended)
That's pretty funny.

here we go...


Please point out these atrocities to me, I can't seem to find any?

The humiliation of prisoners is an isolated incident, but yes it must relate to the REST of Iraq.

The torture of prisoners in Cuba? A valid method to interrogate a war prisoner. If tourturing one man gives me the information to save the lives of others, that is an acceptable price. IMHO that is.

If an American serviceman or woman is captured, are his or her captors permitted to user torture?

Or is that a special right reserved to the US only?

If an American serviceman or woman is captured, are his or her captors permitted to user torture?

Or is that a special right reserved to the US only?
Oh hell no, If another country captures one of ours, the US reserves the right to f*ck up that country if more than a hair is touched.[/conservative bs]

Okay look, originally they were protecting us, when all of your information agents tell yu that a nation may have WMD and may be seeling them to Al Queda, we had every right to do what we did.

Originally, and I think most of the world wouldn't have been very angry with him staying and helping after he said "Well, we were wrong, but at least we can try to make things right." Insead, all of it was deluded into "Oh, right. . . Well, nukes weren't the ACTUAL reason we came. The terrorists are here!" "Oh right. . . Well. . . Terrorists aren't the ACTUAL reason we came. <pulls every reason under the sun and crams it into this spot".

Soldiers know what there getting into when they sign up for the military, there not fighting blindly, there fighting for what they belive in, if you would stick your head out of your ass to realise that the military isnt just a group of puppets, but indeed a group of poeple doing what they feel; is right, then maybe you wont be so biased on our troops.

I honestly doubt the National Guard retirees actually though they'd be in the middle of this when the war started, but hey, proves them wrong.

Saddam was eviul, however under him there was stability, but the Irqi poeple know that once the insurgencys are over, Iraq will be better off then it was under Saddam, unless you have talked to actual Iraqese like these guys have, then you need to STFU.

Saddam is only about as evil as a lot of other dictators around the world, he was just the one that TV mentioned the most.

I am a member of the US Air Force Auxillery, now quite recently my Squadron went to talk with some returning soldiers from Iraq, and I gotta say listening to these guys, is amazing. As much as you may hat the war in Iraq, you have to respect out troops and what they do. Most of the soldiers I spoke with hated something very muhc, it wasnt the president, hell most of them loved Dubya, the one thing most of the troops hated were the media. The media has tooken it upon thereselves to make it appears as if our forcesa arent doing anything in Iraq, and by doing so, they have swayed the populace into hating our troops. One of the soldiers (Staff Sgt Hanock I believe was his name) told a group of us that as he was exiting a local airstrip after retuning home, he was actually booed by someone in a lot nearby. He said he asked himselve, how could this be, how could they despise me after all I have done, the man spent more then a year defending our rights just to be booed when he got home. But how could you despsise our troops, you werent there. You can gripe, but 90% of you wont take the time to get off your ivory towers to look beyond what the media has told you and finthe truth. Hanock, really let us in on how wrong the media is. Did you know that not one military vehicle leaves an Iraq base without armor, was this reported? No! One of the soldiers got to go to Abu Gharib, did you know that 90% of the men gained wieight, hell, he said some of the men were trying to stay in jail after there terms were over. The prision is now controled by the Iraqi Judical Branch, which is operational, is this reported, NO. One of the soldiers was wounded, and he wished he could go back to defend our country, these guys are heroes, yet the media donest report on this do they. One solider I met, knew another soldier who everyday made candy, and handed it out to the Iraqi children, was this repoted, NO. It seems to be overshadowed, but did you know that 16 out of 18 of the Iraqi Provinces are self suficient? Surely information like that must have made the media, nope. I mean, the soldiers told us that the iraqis dont love us by any means and want our occupation to leave but they understand its neccesarry to ensure there peace. Our training of the Iraqi National Guard is going great, there actuallt taking on mission by themselves, although sometimes they still ned our troops to hold there hands, they have performed nearlky 48 succesful missions by themselves, is this reported, nope, all we here from the media is how we arent training them fast enough our how they never do anything. Poeple who disagree with me, I ask you to remeber that I talkied to them firsthand, and listened to theres storys without a political thought in my head, and if you could lean just what they were doing, man you would just be so proud, I feel its our duty to appreciate our troops, every time I see a man in uniform, I say thank you for what they do.

To all our troops: Come home safe. We reap the rewards of what you sow, you deserve to reap the rewards yourself. You are defending a great country that loves you, let us show our appreciation to you by you returning home safe. God bless you and thanks for what you do.

Also to be poeple who will bitch for facts, Sgt Hanock told me that the entire time he was in iraq, he never saw one reporter, so, im going to have to believe the guy who lived it over some guy who stays in a hotel room all day reporting about stuff he doesnt know.

Interestingly, you seem to forget that we have another war in Afghanistan too, and that troops fighting there deserve equal respect. Hell, if the troops you spoke to thought negative media coverage is bad, how about the utter lack of information coming out of Afghanistan. Iraq is completely overshadowing it, making it a forgetten campaign.

Oh, and 'tooken' is not, and never will be a word of the English language.

I love your troops when they are called back.

Just wondering: If USA would have wanted Iraq to suffer, why didn't they vote Bush for the president of Iraq? Nothing wouldn't be more horrifying for those poor people.

I think it's time we take a step back in history to learn a lesson that fits with Operation Iraqi Freedom. A quote-

"He who trades freedom for security, deserves neither."
Benjamin Franklin


First, the media had nothing to do with me hating out troops. Anyone who would blindly fight for their country, jsut because it's their "patriotic duty" gets massive hate from me.
Really, I'd find that admiral in a person. If nothing else, the only reasonable thing to fight for is your homeland.

Second, they didn't defend OUR rights over there. How were they defending OUR rights in a foriegn country? Iraq never invaded us. They never did a THING to us.
It is better to attack and to not be sure, then to be sure, and be attacked. Saddam had WMD programs at one time, and it was possible he was making them. It was 50-50.

And for the record, the Iraqi people would much rather have Saddam back in power. Why? Because wit hhim there, at least they didn't have massive riots, land mines in the streets. They might not have had freedom, but they had security. Which is the definition of law. Giving up your freedoms for security
In saying this I assume you are, in fact, an Iraqi citizen?

It is better to attack and to not be sure, then to be sure, and be attacked. Saddam had WMD programs at one time, and it was possible he was making them. It was 50-50.
So you're saying it's ok to bomb the hell out of a place because you think they might possibly have the ability to damage your ego- i mean nation?

It is better to attack and to not be sure, then to be sure, and be attacked. Saddam had WMD programs at one time, and it was possible he was making them. It was 50-50.

Two jokes I can make from that:

We have knowledge that the USA at one point had a program for making WMD. We need to attack them before they attack us! In fact, this satellite image SHOWS missle silos. Commence the bombing. We must take ourselves out before we...wait...ourselves?

Heh, just kidding guys. You didn't actually...you did? Yuu mean you already sent out...yeah? How long before they hit? Fuck. I'll be weeping in my bunker if you need me.


And, joke number 2!


We have recieved reports that North Korea may be developing long range missles and WMDs. We are prepared to attack them and prevent them from-wait, we actually DO know that they have them? For reals? Fuck! What the hell do we do now? I mean, I'm not a pussy like that other missle crises guy, but...fuck man, I'm stuck on this one.

So you're saying it's ok to bomb the hell out of a place because you think they might possibly have the ability to damage your ego- i mean nation?

To qoute an old phrase my father said.

Trouble trouble before trouble troubles you.

To qoute an old phrase my father said.

Trouble trouble before trouble troubles you.

That would work a lot better if trouble was a person, like Johnny Trouble, or Joe Trouble. Wait, that's anti-american, sorry. Abdul Trouble, or Vladimir Trouble. Maybe Pierre Trouble? I don't stay current with who the US hates anymore, I just figure it on everyone.

But yeah, since trouble is NOT a person, or group, or majority, or state, or country, and is instead an idea or thought process, it's somewhat hard to do itself to it before it does itself to you.

I swear, all of what I just wrote makes perfect sense.

I just have to say that if Bush pulls out and leaves Iraq a smoking hellhole without fixing it, the man will lose what tiny, itty bitty little ounce of respect I have for him.

The soldier's have no choice, the nation has no choice. We broke Iraq, now we have to fix it at least as good as it was, and damnit, with the money we spent, it should be a whole lot better.

That would work a lot better if trouble was a person, like Johnny Trouble, or Joe Trouble. Wait, that's anti-american, sorry. Abdul Trouble, or Vladimir Trouble. Maybe Pierre Trouble? I don't stay current with who the US hates anymore, I just figure it on everyone.

But yeah, since trouble is NOT a person, or group, or majority, or state, or country, and is instead an idea or thought process, it's somewhat hard to do itself to it before it does itself to you.

I swear, all of what I just wrote makes perfect sense.

ROFLMAO.

Love it.

Whoo whoooooo! Look, here comes the clue train-last stop you!

Think of your own insults next time, instead of ripping off Maddox you fucking idiot

http://www.maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi?p=1

God bless the US troops. No doubt it's a big blunder about WMDs, are for all we know, US is there for the oil, at least Saddam doesn't have the world by the balls anymore.

But God bless the troops of all nations, that you guys have the guts to stick it in there in Iraq to see things trough and rebuild the nation not leaving the Iraqi's in the mess alone.

Oh yes every solder in Iraq is just bitching about the "Media". :rolleyes:

The media sent them to Iraq with out armored Hummers, or body armor, or proper equipment.

The media called them up after being out of the service for years.

The media won't let them leave the service when their contract is up.

The media extended their tour of duty.

The media got America in a war without an exit strategy.

Bad bad media.

This is a waste of time.


When China invades Taiwan, don't ask us to help.

This is a waste of time.


When China invades Taiwan, don't ask us to step in. Just wait for the UN to squabble over appeasment and such.

Oh yes every solder in Iraq is just bitching about the "Media". :rolleyes:

The media sent them to Iraq with out armored Hummers, or body armor, or proper equipment.

The media called them up after being out of the service for years.

The media won't let them leave the service when their contract is up.

The media extended their tour of duty.

The media got America in a war without an exit strategy.

Bad bad media.

If you read my post f***nut, you would know that the soldiers have great equipment, and not one vehicle is not armored, when your in the military, you will be called up, its a fact, its not like they join the military and expect nothing. Its a well known fact you cant leave the service in time of war, extending tour of duty, look we need the troops there, are should we just abandon the place and let the insurgents take-over and set up a new Dictatorhsip Theocracy. Ah to qoute Kerry you are, we have an exit strategy, its a long one, but we have one, insurgents wont last forever my friend, as soon as they can guard themselves were out.

And yes, the soldiers are bitching about the media, until you get off your lazy assd to talk to veterens, I suggest you stop spiiting your ignoarant incorrect facts.

For all you people saying that all (100%) the soldiers signed up to die for their country, not quite. A lot of people join the military not because they want to be ordered around, but because the US government offers benefits to its troops. It pays them decent money (good money if you are poor), and it trains them well (most the military is support and you dont forget any training when you leave.

A lot of these are kids comming out of high school and college, they need the money, they could really use some decent work skills and expirence. They are excited about traveling, and leaving the area they grew up in, (living in farm land is not thrilling to many people, and a lot of US is farmland.)

There are many other reasons for joining I havent mentioned, non of which are because they are suicidal or get orgasms when they kill people. In fact, if they are either of thoes, they will be kicked out of the miliatary...and fast.

So please, don't say troops should all die because they want to die, because they do not.

Hope the resistance gets ya men, we'll see then what your opinion on the civilian casualties will be. (towards the poster idiot)

The media isn't liberal OR conservative, though various stations and whatnot might have a slant. The media is sensationalist. It cares less about actual news and more about entertainment.

Somebody who understands what is really going on in the media. If the news reported happy things, people wouldn't watch it. If all we heard about is "how great Iraq is going," nobody would watch the news.

Let's just face it: Humans are barbaric by nature. We enjoy our violent movies, big explosions, and death. The media is part of capitalism. It is free to show whatever(almost) it wants. The media will report whatever will get it ratings.

If the media is so liberal, why the hell could we not hear the end of the Clinton blow job scandal? Because people wanted to hear about it and it was the top story of the week.

However, it is true that the media does have a slant. There are many media stations that lean left, moreso than lean right. However, you can only twist and distort facts so much.

If you hate the news so much, stop watching. Then the media loses ratings and will be forced to cater to your desires of a news program. That's capitalism. I love how Republicans are bitching about the "liberal media," yet still watch it, thus giving it the ratings it needs to make money. You love your capitalism so much, yet you bitch when it's being used in a way you don't like.

By the way, I'm not a democrat, I'm a moderate that votes pretty much 50/50 in terms of Republican and Democrat. I actually look at issues and positions rather than image.

*edit* I think many of you should read Leviathan by Hobbes. He talks about how Liberty and Equality can not be achieved until after Order is achieved. We are trying to give Iraq Liberty and Equality without Order. This simply will not work, because without the Order to control everything, Liberty and Equality will be under attack.

This is a waste of time.

When China invades Taiwan, don't ask us to step in. Just wait for the UN to squabble over appeasment and such.

Has China now been promoted to the "Axis of Evil".

Damn, its hard to keep up.

I knew that the original "Axis of Evil" was Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

And that "Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the "Axis of Evil," Libya, China, and Syria today announced they had formed the "Axis of Just as Evil"

Has China been promoted?