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Would someone please explain how exactly President Bush caused the recent tsunami in Southeast Asia? How could a mortal being cause one tectonic plate to move under another one, causing massive tidal waves that kill tens of thousands of people hundreds of miles away?

Bush has contributed quadruple the amount that the EU has pledged. Now, I don't know about you, but I think that that doesn't denote a heartless tyrant. If anything, it means that Bush and various American relief groups are more generous than any nation or group, save the International Red Cross.

Please explain how Bush caused this.

Oh that's easy ... he used his uber-telekinetic powers and shook some rocks around. Geeze ... didn't you see him demonstrating it at the last press conference when he made Ted Koppel's hair attack a picture of the cast of MASH?

Would someone please explain how exactly President Bush caused the recent tsunami in Southeast Asia? How could a mortal being cause one tectonic plate to move under another one, causing massive tidal waves that kill tens of thousands of people hundreds of miles away?

Bush has contributed quadruple the amount that the EU has pledged. Now, I don't know about you, but I think that that doesn't denote a heartless tyrant. If anything, it means that Bush and various American relief groups are more generous than any nation or group, save the International Red Cross.

Please explain how Bush caused this.

He sent a message to his Reptilian ancestors fom the Zeta-Reticuli star system , they then used a giant crystal to shoot a ray into the earth's core this oin turn cause the earth quake and tsunami

Would someone please explain how exactly President Bush caused the recent tsunami in Southeast Asia? How could a mortal being cause one tectonic plate to move under another one, causing massive tidal waves that kill tens of thousands of people hundreds of miles away?

Bush has contributed quadruple the amount that the EU has pledged. Now, I don't know about you, but I think that that doesn't denote a heartless tyrant. If anything, it means that Bush and various American relief groups are more generous than any nation or group, save the International Red Cross.

Please explain how Bush caused this.
I haven't heard this one yet. Maybe in some other threads? (Just logged in).

But again and again I want to point out that
- EU is not a nation. EU members donate directly and within EU
- This is not a race. (yet I have to mention that Finland (government) has donated 2 500 000€ this far. That's far more per capita than what US has donated.)

It's a simple reason, really.

You see, right now is a bad time for Bush. When he does something, it isn't enough/wrong thing/too late. When he doesn't do anything, it's also wrong.

Don't make fun of any of the liberals here--we conservatives do the same thing when a liberal president is in office.

we're not blaming him for causing it...
just for being a heartless retard.
a president is sposed to channel his ppls feelings to the outside world,
but no, bush prefers to keep enjoying his holiday.

:confused: :sniper:

he may hav quadripled it but america is onli givin a fraction of what it can afford.

he may hav quadripled it but america is onli givin a fraction of what it can afford.

Here's an example of the first point I made up above.

Bush didn't cause this Tsumami, but America's stubborn refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol will contribute to global warming which will lead to more frequent and more severe storms in the Tropical regions of the world which will kill lots of people over time all in the name of a slight competative edge over our more ecologically conscious European competitors.

Oh that's easy ... he used his uber-telekinetic powers and shook some rocks around. Geeze ... didn't you see him demonstrating it at the last press conference when he made Ted Koppel's hair attack a picture of the cast of MASH?

A friend and I have come up with this explanation:
My theory is that he is, in fact, clearly a puppet serving Cthulu, eternal lord of the deep and infinite chaotic evil. And in summoning his dark master, the earthquakes occured.

-Hears, "Yes my leige", in a southern drawl.-

we're not blaming him for causing it...
just for being a heartless retard.
a president is sposed to channel his ppls feelings to the outside world,
but no, bush prefers to keep enjoying his holiday.

:confused: :sniper:
Bush may not be the smartest president ever, but he isn't a retard.

And the President is just supposed to head the executive branch of government. There's nothing in the job description saying that he has to channel his peoples' feelings to the outside world.

And I'd try to enjoy my holiday as well. Wouldn't you?

Kerubia, as much as I hate to admit it, you're right.

Bush didn't cause this Tsumami, but America's stubborn refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol will contribute to global warming which will lead to more frequent and more severe storms in the Tropical regions of the world which will kill lots of people over time all in the name of a slight competative edge over our more ecologically conscious European competitors.

This thread will soon evolve past the blame Bush for the tsunami arguments. Very shortly it will be blame America. Yes, we caused this Earthquake with our air pollution and we caused it because we didn't agree to Kyoto--that's what we'll start reading more and more.

It is our Fearless Leader, Commander Bush, who triggered the ELF wave generator that started the earthquake which led to the wave from which there was no escape!
Clearly, it's Allllll Bush!

This thread will soon evolve past the blame Bush for the tsunami arguments. Very shortly it will be blame America. Yes, we caused this Earthquake with our air pollution and we caused it because we didn't agree to Kyoto--that's what we'll start reading more and more.

Well obviously it will evolve. The author of the post just demanded leftists defend an impossible position in an obvious attempt to make them look foolish.
Why in god's name would anybody be stupid enough to play along?

And the President is just supposed to head the executive branch of government. There's nothing in the job description saying that he has to channel his peoples' feelings to the outside world.

And I'd try to enjoy my holiday as well. Wouldn't you?

Kerubia, as much as I hate to admit it, you're right.

well he is the voice of his country, so if he seems careless so does his country.

and yes i would try to make the best out of a holiday but i would make an interruption for big scale disasters like this..

i mean the on-09/11-you-all-HAD-to-support-america,-but-now-its-not-america-so-i-dont-care policy is just stupid <== its not a persons iq entirely who makes some1 retarded (well to the law it is ofcourse), more so do his actions.

It is our Fearless Leader, Commander Bush, who triggered the ELF wave generator that started the earthquake which led to the wave from which there was no escape!
Clearly, it's Allllll Bush!

I still vote for our explanation.

Bush didn't cause this Tsumami, but America's stubborn refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol will contribute to global warming which will lead to more frequent and more severe storms in the Tropical regions of the world which will kill lots of people over time all in the name of a slight competative edge over our more ecologically conscious European competitors.

First of all, might I just mention that we cannot conclude with 100% certainty that global warming actually exists in the magnitude that many might think. We simply do not have sufficient time data to either prove or disprove that the slight climate changes are not natural in nature.

If they are, might I suggest that those people that are really concerned with it stop eating? Cause assuming you eat 2000 calories a day, for an entire year you would contribute 2897 BTU's into the atmosphere just by living alone. Also think how much CO2 you'd not expel...

Seriously, we're talking about a natural disaster here. Let's try not to blame any one person for simply existing.

As far as the statement of Bush being "stingy", I think people ought to look up the word "charity" in the dictionary.

We Americans are in no way obligated to help any country with any natural disaster for any reason. We chose to send aid. Those that recieve the aid should be happy that we sent any at all.

Remember, the world hates the US? Yeah, but they're the first ones that come running with open hands expecting handouts whenever something horrific happens.

I say they're all lucky that we sent them anything at all. If the EU wants to make this a contest, then let them. Let's not get caught up in the "he sent you less than I did" BS.

It's not only the tsunami, it's everything. Anything that goes on in this world, some liberals flip out and start pointing fingers.

It's not only the tsunami, it's everything. Anything that goes on in this world, some liberals flip out and start pointing fingers.

Truly brilliant words! ;-)

Would someone please explain how exactly President Bush caused the recent tsunami in Southeast Asia? How could a mortal being cause one tectonic plate to move under another one, causing massive tidal waves that kill tens of thousands of people hundreds of miles away?


Out of this thread but...

Do any of you remember how we used to bash France for the nuclear tests it made on some small islands (Pacific Ocean) in the 90's? Those tests could have caused a tsunami. So actually one person could cause a tsunami.

he may hav quadripled it but america is onli givin a fraction of what it can afford.

Really?

When was the last time you audited our checkbook? We might have had a mortgage payment since then you know.

http://www.usaid.gov/
http://www.unicefusa.org/atf/cf/{B35DBA70-2A32-4E25-999B-FA3A590864DB}/2003_annual_report.pdf (page 6, 120 million)
http://apps.opm.gov/cfcresults/2003...al%20Report.cfm ( 250 million )
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/970501.cms (400 Million)
http://apps.opm.gov/cfcresults/2003...al%20Report.cfm ) (FY 2005 19.4 Billion )
http://www.aafrc.org/about_aafrc/bysourceof66.html ( FY 2004 240 Billion )

So what do you, in your infinite wisdom, say we can afford?

1 Billion?
100 Billion?
1 Trillion?
10 Trillion?

By the way, do try to recall we are running a 400 Billion Dollar Defict, just factor that in to your calculations will you.

There's no need for the hyperbole, Evinsia; people are just saying that Bush can and should act more altruistic and do more as the leader of the world's most powerful nation. Yes, a lot of people nit-pick at the man, but that's almost certainly inevitable because of his gross unpopularity!

Sorry to interrupt, but I found a website that explains my second point in my above post:

http://www.mrp3.com/bobf/global_warming.html

There's no need for the hyperbole, Evinsia; people are just saying that Bush can and should act more altruistic and do more as the leader of the world's most powerful nation. Yes, a lot of people nit-pick at the man, but that's almost certainly inevitable because of his gross unpopularity!

Why do we have to solve the world's problems? Why can't they solve them for themselves?

When the situation was/is reversed (like any other hurricane season in the US) I don't see many countries coming to our aid...

By the way, do try to recall we are running a 400 Billion Dollar Defict, just factor that in to your calculations will you.
But you can afford 22 fighters, each 2 Billion Dollars, quite easily.

Why do we have to solve the world's problems? Why can't they solve them for themselves?

When the situation was/is reversed (like any other hurricane season in the US) I don't see many countries coming to our aid...

If we're allowed to bomb other countries, then tell the world to piss off, "we do what we want..."

...then we ARN'T allowed to act surprised when the world says "Ok then tough guy, try helping us then"

Why do we have to solve the world's problems? Why can't they solve them for themselves?

When the situation was/is reversed (like any other hurricane season in the US) I don't see many countries coming to our aid...

While I hate to be on the other side of the fence here.
We are the rich neighbor, we can usually clean up our own yard without asking for help.

Sometimes we have even received help, 9/11 we did receive a lot of support and some aid, ( no I dont have a figure and its killing me ) let's not totally forget we have had help in the past.
(btw loved your "look up the word charity" line...priceless...Can I steal it for later use?) :cool:

First of all, might I just mention that we cannot conclude with 100% certainty that global warming actually exists in the magnitude that many might think. We simply do not have sufficient time data to either prove or disprove that the slight climate changes are not natural in nature.

If they are, might I suggest that those people that are really concerned with it stop eating? Cause assuming you eat 2000 calories a day, for an entire year you would contribute 2897 BTU's into the atmosphere just by living alone. Also think how much CO2 you'd not expel...

Seriously, we're talking about a natural disaster here. Let's try not to blame any one person for simply existing.

As far as the statement of Bush being "stingy", I think people ought to look up the word "charity" in the dictionary.

We Americans are in no way obligated to help any country with any natural disaster for any reason. We chose to send aid. Those that recieve the aid should be happy that we sent any at all.

Remember, the world hates the US? Yeah, but they're the first ones that come running with open hands expecting handouts whenever something horrific happens.

I say they're all lucky that we sent them anything at all. If the EU wants to make this a contest, then let them. Let's not get caught up in the "he sent you less than I did" BS.


Global warming may not be casued by human activities? Yeah right, maybe the Exxon Mobil research institute says so but besides pawns of the oil industry who else says so?

The developing world should be greatful for America's genorosity? Oh yeah thats rich, 100,000 people die and Bush initially offers $15 million, which out of 300 million americans means we would each collectively contributed somewhere in the ball park of a whopping 5 cents.

Now out of sheer embarrasment bush is raising it to like $35 million meaning we are each are contributing around 10 or 11 cents. Wow we truley are a selfless and nobel people. What does $35 million equal, like 1/600 of the loot squandered on that Iraq catastrophe?

Just a comment. I don't mean to offend anyone, I just want to ask this.
If America is the guy that everyone else goes to when they have a natural disaster, civil war, etc., then why is it that when Florida was hit by three catastrophic hurricanes in as many weeks, there was no aid contributed by the EU, the UN, etc.? Where was the outpouring of support for the hard-hit Floridans?

Why do we have to solve the world's problems? Why can't they solve them for themselves?

When the situation was/is reversed (like any other hurricane season in the US) I don't see many countries coming to our aid...Tell that to the President, who's patting himself on the back for saving the world from Saddam.

But you can afford 22 fighters, each 2 Billion Dollars, quite easily.
I *think* you mean the F/A-22 Fighter aircraft, If so your off the mark a bit, please move your decimal point to the left one space.

Thank you
(And yes, by the way, I do work with the plane, I do know how much it costs http://www.tyndall.af.mil )

Also even if they did cost that much, ( which they don't ) 22 of them would only cover 11% of the deficit.

Keep trying, you might even be right someday.

Just a comment. I don't mean to offend anyone, I just want to ask this.
If America is the guy that everyone else goes to when they have a natural disaster, civil war, etc., then why is it that when Florida was hit by three catastrophic hurricanes in as many weeks, there was no aid contributed by the EU, the UN, etc.? Where was the outpouring of support for the hard-hit Floridans?

How many people in Florida died?

Aside from that...

As mentioned earlier, we can easily clean up our own shit. Besides, a few orginizations from Canada offered help.

I *think* you mean the F/A-22 Fighter aircraft, If so your off the mark a bit, please move your decimal point to the left one space.

Thank you
(And yes, by the way, I do work with the plane, I do know how much it costs http://www.tyndall.af.mil )

Also even if they did cost that much, ( which they don't ) 22 of them would only cover 11% of the deficit.

Keep trying, you might even be right someday.
:D
Oops...I admit, I made those figures up. I didn't check first. (I don't know the types or anything...some old ones are very expensive and some new ones are much cheaper...:) I know, I should always check. *ashamed*

But I quess you get the point. US military budget is just incredible.

edit: Actually US military budget (2003) is almost the same as US deficit...

One, when did US ever request for help during the typhones? Two, when the US pays more PER CAPITA (when will the neocons learn that term?) than the EU (which everyone with rudimentary knowledge of geography knows isn't a country with the same aid-policies) you can say that you are alone.
Further, why do you people assume when I refer to the UN statistics that I am a fanatical US-hater? If we brought up the issue with Spain's or Italy's foreign-aid I'd do the same.

There is a global warming, we have been measuring temperatures (with secure instruments) for the last 300 years and there is an un-doubtful trend going on in the world. i have been more and more dis-trusting about CO2 causing this to, just reply for links in swedish.

Global warming may not be casued by human activities? Yeah right, maybe the Exxon Mobil research institute says so but besides pawns of the oil industry who else says so?

These guys
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming2.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming3.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming4.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming5.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming6.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming7.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming8.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming9.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming10.htm

Quite remarkable when you find out one of the people yelling the loudest about global warming was also one of the people yelling loudest about global cooling http://www.john-daly.com/schneidr.htm

The developing world should be greatful for America's genorosity? Oh yeah thats rich, 100,000 people die and Bush initially offers $15 million, which out of 300 million americans means we would each collectively contributed somewhere in the ball park of a whopping 5 cents.

Now out of sheer embarrasment bush is raising it to like $35 million meaning we are each are contributing around 10 or 11 cents. Wow we truley are a selfless and nobel people. What does $35 million equal, like 1/600 of the loot squandered on that Iraq catastrophe?

Is 100,000 now the estimated death toll? How horrific, my heart ( and some of my money ) goes out to the people involved.

2004 - US Charitable donations $ 240 Billion. now granted thats only like $800.00 from each US citizen, but not too bad I dont think. Oh and to establish your utter moral superiority, how much did you give to charity last year?

And who are you to state that anyone is Obligated to give anything to Charity?
Please refer to your nearest dictionary and study the word Charity.
Once you understand this concept you might have a different opinion, an informed one would be nice.

These guys
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming2.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming3.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming4.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming5.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming6.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming7.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming8.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming9.htm
http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming10.htm

Quite remarkable when you find out one of the people yelling the loudest about global warming was also one of the people yelling loudest about global cooling http://www.john-daly.com/schneidr.htm


I admit that there are not enough knowledge of global warming but everybody who knows anything knows that
Snow comes earlier and leaves later in Alberta, putting the lie to claims of "global warming"
means shit.

Global warming may even start the next ice age. Or cause huge floods all over the globe etc Here's something about one of the newest studies. (I'll try to find the study)
http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/

Perhaps in all this, people lost sight of one simple fact...

How would global warming which warms the polar ice caps possibly have anything at all to do with an earthquake that happened underwater because of tectonic plates moving in an area nowhere near the ice caps?

Really, I would like to know. Please, answer that.

I seriously doubt that anything short of global nuclear winter could seriously detract from the evolution of life on earth, and even then, it would probably survive. So far the life on this planet has shown remarkable resiliency to our most devastating attacks. Global warming is probably a natural cycle of our earth, only mildly affected by our pollution. It came from the ground, it shall return there.

Perhaps in all this, people lost sight of one simple fact...

How would global warming which warms the polar ice caps possibly have anything at all to do with an earthquake that happened underwater because of tectonic plates moving in an area nowhere near the ice caps?

Really, I would like to know. Please, answer that.
Who said anything like that? Someone mentioned that global warming could cause other natural disasters in the future, not earthquakes but floods, hurricanes etc.

Who said anything like that? Someone mentioned that global warming could cause other natural disasters in the future, not earthquakes but floods, hurricanes etc.

I don't know, for some reason there's this huge issue over global warming and it had nothing to do with the tsunami...or any ever, for that matter, since global warming flooding happens slowly. Whether or not it's caused by humans, I won't be around to find out, hell with the grandkids.

I seriously doubt that anything short of global nuclear winter could seriously detract from the evolution of life on earth, and even then, it would probably survive. So far the life on this planet has shown remarkable resiliency to our most devastating attacks. Global warming is probably a natural cycle of our earth, only mildly affected by our pollution. It came from the ground, it shall return there.
I don't believe it either, but about it being a natural cycle, check 10 common myths about global warming
http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/actions.html

and I do know there has been climate changes before (duh) but never this fast.
quote from the site
Past earth temperatures left their mark in tree rings, glaciers and ancient lake and ocean sediments, and the record shows slowly decreasing temperatures over the last 2000 years. In that time there have been warm and cool periods, but nothing remotely like the rise in temperatures in the past 150 years.

Global warming may even start the next ice age. Or cause huge floods all over the globe etc Here's something about one of the newest studies. (I'll try to find the study)
http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/

Thanks, but as pointed out we may be straying off topic here. If you do find the link could you send it via mesage?

Thank you

AAhhzz
Always willing to listen and learn

Thanks, but as pointed out we may be straying off topic here. If you do find the link could you send it via mesage?

Thank you

AAhhzz
Always willing to listen and learn
:) Yes, back to topic...which was? oh yes, Bush is to blame for this catastrophe...oh well, I still haven't seen any posts which such a claim. except joke ones. I prefer the animals are against us -conspiracy. But I think that jokes are tasteless at the moment...

I'll tg it..

Would someone please explain how exactly President Bush caused the recent tsunami in Southeast Asia? How could a mortal being cause one tectonic plate to move under another one, causing massive tidal waves that kill tens of thousands of people hundreds of miles away?

Bush has contributed quadruple the amount that the EU has pledged. Now, I don't know about you, but I think that that doesn't denote a heartless tyrant. If anything, it means that Bush and various American relief groups are more generous than any nation or group, save the International Red Cross.

Please explain how Bush caused this.

First tell us who is blaming Bush for the tsunami.

There are a lot of legitimate things that can be pinned on him, but I've yet to hear anything about his culpability for the tsunami.

Perhaps in all this, people lost sight of one simple fact...

How would global warming which warms the polar ice caps possibly have anything at all to do with an earthquake that happened underwater because of tectonic plates moving in an area nowhere near the ice caps?

Really, I would like to know. Please, answer that.

Simple (although I'm not saying that Bush is responsible.)

global warming causes the water level around the world to rises. With the rise in water level comes a higher pressure on the tectonic plates. The pressure difference is enough to get them moving, creating an earthquake and a tsunami.

It's called the butterfly effect. What happens in antartica modify the weather of Moscow. It's really fascinating science.

Simple (although I'm not saying that Bush is responsible.)

global warming causes the water level around the world to rises. With the rise in water level comes a higher pressure on the tectonic plates. The pressure difference is enough to get them moving, creating an earthquake and a tsunami.

It's called the butterfly effect. What happens in antartica modify the weather of Moscow. It's really fascinating science.


The Butterfly Effect.....loved that flick!

The Butterfly Effect.....loved that flick!

Are you following me from thread to thread?

Simple (although I'm not saying that Bush is responsible.)

global warming causes the water level around the world to rises. With the rise in water level comes a higher pressure on the tectonic plates. The pressure difference is enough to get them moving, creating an earthquake and a tsunami.

It's called the butterfly effect. What happens in antartica modify the weather of Moscow. It's really fascinating science.
While it may ... it is an an assumption that it caused THIS quake (we just do not have enough data)

Are you following me from thread to thread?

No- we've been running into each other all day on dif threads. That pretty normal isnt it...to see the same people throuighout the day of dif threads?

While it may ... it is an an assumption that it caused THIS quake (we just do not have enough data)

Ha!! But someone wanted to know how we could link the two situations together. I gave him (or her) a plausible explanation. I'm not saying it's the reality. Far from it. In fact, i'd be surprised if it did.

I was merely flexing my debating muscles.

No- we've been running into each other all day on dif threads. That pretty normal isnt it...to see the same people throuighout the day of dif threads?

Especially when they are about the same general subject.

Anyway, I think you've earned a :fluffle: .

Ha!! But someone wanted to know how we could link the two situations together. I gave him (or her) a plausible explanation. I'm not saying it's the reality. Far from it. In fact, i'd be surprised if it did.

I was merely flexing my debating muscles.
And I was parrying ;)

Especially when they are about the same general subject.

Anyway, I think you've earned a :fluffle: .

True- 4 threads about who gave the most to the tsunami people and 3 on the bible, 3 more on how stupid someone is and then all those spamming threads. We're bound to bump into each other.....may as well embrace that fluffle now since we're gonna be carpooling to threads and all. :fluffle:

True- 4 threads about who gave the most to the tsunami people and 3 on the bible, 3 more on how stupid someone is and then all those spamming threads. We're bound to bump into each other.....may as well embrace that fluffle now since we're gonna be carpooling to threads and all. :fluffle:
ohhh can I fluffle too :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

well, in that case...

While it may ... it is an an assumption that it caused THIS quake (we just do not have enough data)

Do you have a better explanation?

EDIT: was refering to UpwardThrust post about debating...
also, you get a :fluffle: too.

well, in that case...



Do you have a better explanation?
For why the quake happened? or better explination for why it was bush's fault?

For why the quake happened? or better explination for why it was bush's fault?
either. Pick your pick.

I *think* you mean the F/A-22 Fighter aircraft, If so your off the mark a bit, please move your decimal point to the left one space.

Thank you
(And yes, by the way, I do work with the plane, I do know how much it costs http://www.tyndall.af.mil )

Also even if they did cost that much, ( which they don't ) 22 of them would only cover 11% of the deficit.

Keep trying, you might even be right someday.


I have been wasting my winter break playing flight simmulators so I was looking at airplanes on wikipedia and I noticed that the B-2 Bomber costs $2 billion and in fact only 21 of them were ever produced because of the large price so if that is the plane he was thinking of, he was largely correct. The F-22 is much cheaper though.

Bush didn't cause this Tsumami, but America's stubborn refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol will contribute to global warming which will lead to more frequent and more severe storms in the Tropical regions of the world which will kill lots of people over time all in the name of a slight competative edge over our more ecologically conscious European competitors.

Please explain to us how global warming causes earthquakes?

Would someone please explain how exactly President Bush caused the recent tsunami in Southeast Asia? How could a mortal being cause one tectonic plate to move under another one, causing massive tidal waves that kill tens of thousands of people hundreds of miles away?

Bush has contributed quadruple the amount that the EU has pledged. Now, I don't know about you, but I think that that doesn't denote a heartless tyrant. If anything, it means that Bush and various American relief groups are more generous than any nation or group, save the International Red Cross.

Please explain how Bush caused this.

*sigh* I just have to make this clear. The ONE person who said that was Skapadroe, otherwise known as MKULTRA. Personally, I've dubbed him: Mr Loony Bastard From Cloud Cuckoo Land. He believes that global warming caused the earthquake because it pisses off Gaia.

I'll put this in coloured font just to make it extra clear.

Please explain to us how global warming causes earthquakes?
see post #45.

he may hav quadripled it but america is onli givin a fraction of what it can afford.
so that makes us selfish?, im sure all the other countries who donate could afford to send more as well

Please explain to us how global warming causes earthquakes?

Um well I never said that. What I meant was that even a degree or two increase in the temperature of the earth can have severe effects on weather patterns causing things like severe storms which have similar effects to the earthquake induced Tsuanami. It is pure evil in my opinion that we do nothing about global warming largely because we are in a temperate zone and will not likely be faced with the severe hurricanes and the whole flooded underwater problem to the same catastrophic extent that countries like Bangladesh or Sri Lanka will be.

Would someone please explain how exactly President Bush caused the recent tsunami in Southeast Asia? How could a mortal being cause one tectonic plate to move under another one, causing massive tidal waves that kill tens of thousands of people hundreds of miles away?
.....
Please explain how Bush caused this.


Because he is more evil than the devil. Nevermind, he IS the devil! :cool:

Because he is more evil than the devil. Nevermind, he IS the devil! :cool:
Hey now your being insulting to the Devil. The Devil is supposely charming, pesausive, and a great diplomat. Trust me Bush is neither.

Simple (although I'm not saying that Bush is responsible.)

global warming causes the water level around the world to rises. With the rise in water level comes a higher pressure on the tectonic plates. The pressure difference is enough to get them moving, creating an earthquake and a tsunami.

It's called the butterfly effect. What happens in antartica modify the weather of Moscow. It's really fascinating science.
Let's have some scientific evidence, that has been replicated.

I have been wasting my winter break playing flight simmulators so I was looking at airplanes on wikipedia and I noticed that the B-2 Bomber costs $2 billion and in fact only 21 of them were ever produced because of the large price so if that is the plane he was thinking of, he was largely correct. The F-22 is much cheaper though.

Oh so true, but then again werent those built in the 1980's? His post was in reference to the 2003 budget post I made I believe (page 3???) 2 Billion was what those cost back in the early to mid 80s.

Thanks! I had forgotten about those.

F/A-22 costs about $ 220 million, not cheap by anyones standards, but the military obviously believes it to be worth the money.

If you cant tell I am not a big supporter of weapons systems, other than the human ones.

Heh heh heh:

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20041229

Simple (although I'm not saying that Bush is responsible.)

global warming causes the water level around the world to rises. With the rise in water level comes a higher pressure on the tectonic plates. The pressure difference is enough to get them moving, creating an earthquake and a tsunami.

It's called the butterfly effect. What happens in antartica modify the weather of Moscow. It's really fascinating science.

It also takes a long, long time for this to effect, I think. We can not, at this point in time, alter the Earth's climate overnight, or even in a few years. It'll take thousands, probably longer (as in millions) of years for anything really big to happen.

Okay, I'll stop playing scientist here. I actually have no idea wtf I'm talkin' about. Can someone who knows something about this tell me whether my above statement was right or wrong?

Okay, I'll stop playing scientist here. I actually have no idea wtf I'm talkin' about. Can someone who knows something about this tell me whether my above statement was right or wrong?

Ok I'll play scientist then, No this is what the scientific community refers to as Malarky.

Almost a purebred form, but you can tell its just a bit inbred, by the way the sentence runs on and on and on, sort of like this one.

Truthfully, Several thousand of feet of water already aready in place for the past 3 to 4 Billion years, maybe a few inches added in the last century. The additional weight is negligable compared to the forces already pressing on the tectonic plates.

:D
Oops...I admit, I made those figures up. I didn't check first.
This statement pretty much summarizes the position of the Bush-haters and the "blame America" crowd.

I have been wasting my winter break playing flight simmulators so I was looking at airplanes on wikipedia and I noticed that the B-2 Bomber costs $2 billion and in fact only 21 of them were ever produced because of the large price so if that is the plane he was thinking of, he was largely correct. The F-22 is much cheaper though.
Of course, seeing how so much of the technology for the B-2 had to be invented outright (I have been associated with the B-2 program, 'nuff said,) over $25 billion of the total program cost was just for setup. When it was all said and done, the actual aircraft came out at a unit price of just over $750 million, comparable to the B-1's cost in the 1970s and 80s.

And if you need proof that it was money well spent...the attempt by the USSR to develop weapons that could be pitted against the B-1 and B-2 was the precipitating factor for the Soviet Union's demise. I'd say the B-1 and B-2 paid for themselves already. In fact, ask Saddam Hussein about the B-1 and B-2's effectiveness.

Of course, seeing how so much of the technology for the B-2 had to be invented outright (I have been associated with the B-2 program, 'nuff said,) over $25 billion of the total program cost was just for setup. When it was all said and done, the actual aircraft came out at a unit price of just over $750 million, comparable to the B-1's cost in the 1970s and 80s.

And if you need proof that it was money well spent...the attempt by the USSR to develop weapons that could be pitted against the B-1 and B-2 was the precipitating factor for the Soviet Union's demise. I'd say the B-1 and B-2 paid for themselves already. In fact, ask Saddam Hussein about the B-1 and B-2's effectiveness.

Just because I am all anti war and stuff, doesn't mean I don't think airplanes are cool, and considering that nobody here really seems to no what they are talking about with regards to meterology might as well talk about planes.

I think the problem with the B-1s and B-2s was they aren't all that useful in the modern context, and neither one of them really is an adequate replacement for the all mighty B-52. For example I don't think either one of them can carry anything other than free fall bombs, unlike the B-52 which can carry a shitload of tomahawks and anihilate its target from hundreds of miles away as well as being able to carry an outlandishly large payload. Most modern wars will probably be against opponents like terrorist cells which would require more pinpoint accuracy rather than brute force anyway, in which case you would probably be better off investing in f-22s and f-35s.

I don't think there has ever been a situation where we have had to rely on B-1s or B-2s to do anything a B-52 or an A-10 couldn't do. Saddam's air defenses were pretty crappy the second time around and Iraq was pretty much bombed with impunity.

I remember on the first night of the latest Iraq war the US tried to kill Saddam with a stealth fighter raid, which was kind of cool even though it failed. F-117s are another pretty much useless plane though since they can hardly carry any weapons and they really aren't all that undetectable, considering the only plane shot down in the Kosovo war was a stealth. I guess they were useful if only to develop the technology for later planes like the f-22.

Of course, seeing how so much of the technology for the B-2 had to be invented outright (I have been associated with the B-2 program, 'nuff said,) over $25 billion of the total program cost was just for setup. When it was all said and done, the actual aircraft came out at a unit price of just over $750 million, comparable to the B-1's cost in the 1970s and 80s.

And if you need proof that it was money well spent...the attempt by the USSR to develop weapons that could be pitted against the B-1 and B-2 was the precipitating factor for the Soviet Union's demise. I'd say the B-1 and B-2 paid for themselves already. In fact, ask Saddam Hussein about the B-1 and B-2's effectiveness.

Or ask Mullah Omar of Afghanistan. :D

I've gotten really close with a B-1. It's a beautiful bird; huge, fast, and deadly. The swing-wings tower over you. I've spoken with a guy who flew one over Afghanistan, and he preached the effectiveness of it.

But the B-1 was cut by Carter, then reinstated by Reagan(?).

he may hav quadripled it but america is onli givin a fraction of what it can afford.

but... people are complaining that he has increased the deficit.