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*what kind of sick monster do we have as President to be so callous in response to the deaths of thousands? I guess a president who would sacrifice 3000 americans on 911 for an unjust war in Iraq isnt capable of understanding human suffering-it must have something to do with Bush never having to deal with real world realitys or something

the Washington Post reports that President Bush is being criticized for failing to address the devastation caused by the tsunami.

Bush has been vacationing at his ranch in Texas and - unlike German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder - has decided not to cut his vacation short. Bush has not even spoken publicly yet about the tragedy.

The Post reports some foreign policy specialists accused the president of communicating a lack of urgency about an event that will loom as large in the collective memories of several countries as the Sept. 11 attacks do in the United States. Leslie Gelb of the Council on Foreign Relations said, "When that many human beings die -- at the hands of terrorists or nature -- you've got to show that this matters to you, that you care."

Middle East analyst Juan Cole writes that Bush has lost a unique opportunity to reach out to the Muslim world by showing compassion in a time of tragedy. Indonesia, one of the nations hardest hit, is the most populous Muslim country in the world. Cole writes "If Bush were a statesman he would have flown to Jakarta and announced his solidarity with the Muslims of Indonesia."

The White House has announced that Bush will conduct a National Security Council meeting today by teleconference to discuss several issues, including the tsunami. One White House official attempted to explain Bush's silence by saying: "The president wanted to be fully briefed on our efforts. He didn't want to make a symbolic statement about 'We feel your pain.'" But another official described Bush's silence as "kind of freaky."
democracynow.org

the Washington Post reports that President Bush is also being criticized for failing to address the devastation caused by the tsunami.

Bush has been vacationing at his ranch in Texas and - unlike German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder - has decided not to cut his vacation short. Bush has not even spoken publicly yet about the tragedy.

The Post reports some foreign policy specialists accused the president of communicating a lack of urgency about an event that will loom as large in the collective memories of several countries as the Sept. 11 attacks do in the United States. Leslie Gelb of the Council on Foreign Relations said, "When that many human beings die -- at the hands of terrorists or nature -- you've got to show that this matters to you, that you care."

Middle East analyst Juan Cole writes that Bush has lost a unique opportunity to reach out to the Muslim world by showing compassion in a time of tragedy. Indonesia, one of the nations hardest hit, is the most populous Muslim country in the world. Cole writes "If Bush were a statesman he would have flown to Jakarta and announced his solidarity with the Muslims of Indonesia."

The White House has announced that Bush will conduct a National Security Council meeting today by teleconference to discuss several issues, including the tsunami. One White House official attempted to explain Bush's silence by saying: "The president wanted to be fully briefed on our efforts. He didn't want to make a symbolic statement about 'We feel your pain.'" But another official described Bush's silence as "kind of freaky."
democracynow.org


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Are you MKULTRA?

So when Bush goes out to Iraq to try to help it's people he gets criticized for "putting his nose where it doesn't belong." And that he should "stick to the problems of his own country."

Now Bush doesn't immediately jump to help another Country he's criticized for being heartless?

Is there no end to the criticism?

BTW. Bush did act on this event.

*what kind of sick monster do we have as President to be so callous in response to the deaths of thousands?

Well, his family is descended from the Reptilians from the Zeta-Reticuli star system....

So when Bush goes out to Iraq to try to help it's people he gets criticized for "putting his nose where it doesn't belong." And that he should "stick to the problems of his own country."

Now Bush doesn't immediately jump to help another Country he's criticized for being heartless?

Is there no end to the criticism?

BTW. Bush did act on this event.


There's a HUGE difference between bombing the shit out of a country and sending money to a country.

Use your head.

So when Bush goes out to Iraq to try to help it's people
When was that?

What the fuck do you want him to do?

Well, his family is descended from the Reptilians from the Zeta-Reticuli star system....

Nice place, Zeta-Reticuli. Good food. Nice weather.
Filthy cities though. Discarded skins everywhere.

What the fuck do you want him to do?
Hanging himself would be a good start.

Are you MKULTRA?He's also The Red Arrow.

So when Bush goes out to Iraq to try to help it's people .

Strange way of helping by killing it's people and stealing it's resources.

Strange way of helping by killing it's people and stealing it's resources.

For the killing people part...you find a better way to take down Saddam and come back to me.

Stealing resources. Yes that is wrong. Bush isn't a saint. I can admit that, but no one is.

Strange way of helping by killing it's people and stealing it's resources.

Yea, if that's a way to help people, then, WOW! Hitler must have REALLY loved the people of Europe! Such extensive aid he gave to them!Also, I guess Japan was only trying to help China back in the 30's and 40's.

Actually, Bush made a speech about it tonight. He's also raised $35 million in aid. However, he is still a bastard because he waited three days after the disaster to even acknowledge it and his "aid" is equivalent to what the US spends on Iraq every four hours.

I think George W. Bush (a.k.a. the anti-christ) sees this as another way to put even more of his army where it doesn't belong. He obviously wants to have an army everywhere in the world so he can control everything he possibly can without fighting a war.

For the killing people part...you find a better way to take down Saddam and come back to me.

Stealing resources. Yes that is wrong. Bush isn't a saint. I can admit that, but no one is.

Hmm... gives me an idea...

Yea, if that's a way to help people, then, WOW! Hitler must have REALLY loved the people of Europe! Such extensive aid he gave to them!Also, I guess Japan was only trying to help China back in the 30's and 40's.
:D HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! :D

So when Bush goes out to Iraq to try to help it's people he gets criticized for "putting his nose where it doesn't belong." And that he should "stick to the problems of his own country."

Now Bush doesn't immediately jump to help another Country he's criticized for being heartless?

Is there no end to the criticism?

BTW. Bush did act on this event.
Lefty kool-aid drinkers like the original poster would never allow a few facts to get in the way of their so-called points.

If it had been Bubba as president, there would have been "action", i.e., a presser where Bubba would have proclaimed how he felt those peoples' pain, and he then would have bitten his lower lip. Oh, wait, he already did that on the Beeb.

At least W has sent aid.

For the killing people part...you find a better way to take down Saddam and come back to me.
Do the same what you do with Fidel. Wait till he dies of old age.

Strange way of helping by killing it's people and stealing it's resources.

Good thing we ended Saddam's systematic torture and death squads, and also a good thing we aren't stealing their oil.

Moving on, yes Bush was umoved the deaths of so many. That is why he sent more aid money than any other nation. Because, if you don't care, there's no better way to show it than sending $35 million to help the people you don't care about.

What the fuck do you want him to do?
Admit he made a mistake, apologize, THEN hang himself. I want to see him humiliated before he dies.

-edit-

35 million to help them, as opposed to the 8 billion he got that was supposed to sheild are troops, considering their still going in dying every day with no armor, bad weapons, etc?

Yea, if that's a way to help people, then, WOW! Hitler must have REALLY loved the people of Europe! Such extensive aid he gave to them!Also, I guess Japan was only trying to help China back in the 30's and 40's. Pffff, go to school instead of sniffing. :D

Do the same what you do with Fidel. Wait till he dies of old age.

There's always someone else that can replace him.

Also. What would happen if people did that back in World War II?

"Hitler's killing other nations."

"Whatever. We'll just let him die."

Stealing resources. Yes that is wrong. Bush isn't a saint. I can admit that, but no one is.
What resources? You surely don't mean oil, do you? Because, if I recall correctly, we have yet to turn on any spigot of Iraqi oil destined exclusively for the USA...and of course, oil (and gas) is still extremely expensive.

Admit he made a mistake, apologize, THEN hang himself. I want to see him humiliated before he dies.
I would be content with just the hanging himself part personally.

What resources? You surely don't mean oil, do you? Because, if I recall correctly, we have yet to turn on any spigot of Iraqi oil destined exclusively for the USA...and of course, oil (and gas) is still extremely expensive.

Are you talking to me? Because I was only answering someone else.

I'm not sure if he did or not. If he did it is wrong. If he didn't, well he didn't.

The United States has donated millions already to the tsunami victims. France has donated 135,000 in American dollars. How mush has your country donated?

to help the people you don't care about.

Sorry the people we care about more, regarding our donations. Again, stop sniffing.

You must be the worlds only living braindonnor.

There's always someone else that can replace him.

Also. What would happen if people did that back in World War II?

"Hitler's killing other nations."

"Whatever. We'll just let him die."
Invade and liberate Cuba then. What are you waiting for? Go on. Maybe they have something of worth to the US.

I would be content with just the hanging himself part personally.

Does that make you feel better of yourself?

Wishing another man would hang himself?

I would be content with just the hanging himself part personally.
It would be more useful if you hung yourself, but I won't put any hopes on it.

I guess for all you dumb ass people 15 million dollars and more food than any other nation is not enough get a fucking clue assholes.

The United States has donated millions already to the tsunami victims. France has donated 135,000 in American dollars. How mush has your country donated?
France is donating over 20 million you idiot.

Invade and liberate Cuba then. What are you waiting for? Go on. Maybe they have something of worth to the US.

Why don't you write a letter to Bush then?

I'm not the one with the power here.

BTW. That has absolutely no relevance to what I was talking about before.

Yea, if that's a way to help people, then, WOW! Hitler must have REALLY loved the people of Europe! Such extensive aid he gave to them!Also, I guess Japan was only trying to help China back in the 30's and 40's.

Hahahaha.

The United States has donated millions already to the tsunami victims. France has donated 135,000 in American dollars. How mush has your country donated?

Euh, France gave allone 18 million. And it pays to the EU that gave 30 million. :D, greedy you.

Does that make you feel better of yourself?

Wishing another man would hang himself?
It would if he actually did it.

The United States has donated millions already to the tsunami victims. France has donated 135,000 in American dollars. How mush has your country donated?

Uh.....Dagnia? You should look at this:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/29/quake.aid/index.html

Read the number for France. It's a little more than $135,000.

It would if he actually did it.

That then makes you the monster.

Why don't you write a letter to Bush then?

I'm not the one with the power here.

BTW. That has absolutely no relevance to what I was talking about before.
The WWII part? That also has no relevance to Iraq.

The WWII part? That also has no relevance to Iraq.

It was another perspective on things. It has relevance.

You telling me to invade Cuba or whatever it was doesn't.

Are you talking to me? Because I was only answering someone else.
Yes, I was talking to you, though I really should have addressed the kool-aid drinker you were replying to.
I'm not sure if he did or not. If he did it is wrong. If he didn't, well he didn't.Admit it, you don't know. It's my duty to illuminate you, and then you can illuminate the kool-aid drinkers on the left. Look at the closest gas station...look at the heating and electric bill...has it gotten cheaper since 2003? Of course not...guess we haven't gotten Iraq's oil reserves, have we?

But otherwise, you have nailed it.

I think George W. Bush (a.k.a. the anti-christ) sees this as another way to put even more of his army where it doesn't belong. He obviously wants to have an army everywhere in the world so he can control everything he possibly can without fighting a war.

We haven't sent soldiers there...are you that stupid.

And what's with this BS about stealing Iraq's oil. I guess that's what you mean by "natural resources," as Iraq has oil and sand. No wants sand. Except the Glass Consortium, but Bush isn't in their pockets because Halliburton got to him first. :rolleyes:

If we really wanted to steal oil, why wouldn't we just overthrow Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, where we already hada bunch of troops? Hmmm? Well, since I know someone is going to say that Bush is in league with the Saudis, I'll offer another argument. Why not just look south and take the oil from Mexico and Venezuela? It would be a lot easier and cheaper than invading Iraq. If the war really was led by corporate interests as so many liberals want to believe, they would have advocate invading Mexico and Venezuela over going into the Middle East, as it would have been cheapest and thus allow the greatest profit margin. But I doubt they'll acknowledge this fact, because it inconviently shows one of the many ways they are wrong.

That then makes you the monster.
No. It makes me a freedom (keyboard)fighter. Since it's about Bush.

Are you MKULTRA?
:headbang: :D

It was another perspective on things. It has relevance.
In what way?

You telling me to invade Cuba or whatever it was doesn't.
Theres not a dictator in charge their? On your very doorstep? But what if people had said let's just wait till Hitler kicks the bucket.... :rolleyes:

So when Bush goes out to Iraq to try to help it's people he gets criticized for "putting his nose where it doesn't belong." And that he should "stick to the problems of his own country."

Now Bush doesn't immediately jump to help another Country he's criticized for being heartless?

Is there no end to the criticism?

BTW. Bush did act on this event.
I think the Iraqis may be tired of Bushs form of "help"

No. It makes me a freedom (keyboard)fighter. Since it's about Bush.
No, it actually makes you an idiot, but let's not split hairs, shall we?

The United States has donated millions already to the tsunami victims. France has donated 135,000 in American dollars. How mush has your country donated?

wow, you're negationism on NS for free. Next thing will be "Auschwitz never existed."

No. It makes me a freedom (keyboard)fighter. Since it's about Bush.

So Bush is beneath simple human dignity and respect simply because you disagree with him? That would put you in league with "freedom fighters" like Mao, Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler.

No. It makes me a freedom (keyboard)fighter. Since it's about Bush.

Wow. I love this new trend. "I hate Bush. Look at me. I hate Bush. That makes me cool."

No matter who it is, wishing someone would hang themselves is a terrible and horrible thing.

Hmm... I don't really care that so many people died. Does that make me a monster? Does being "sad" or "feeling sorry" for something help at all? Will crying bring them back to life? DOING something about it is what is important. Not crying over something that can't be helped.

MKULTRA here seems more concerned about Bush's 'Not reacting' than the 80,000 people who died.
Is he even human?
No...I think hes a spam-bot. Thats just me though.

In what way?



Theres not a dictator in charge their? On your very doorstep? But what if people had said let's just wait till Hitler kicks the bucket.... :rolleyes:


It shows what happens if you just let things "die out" in some situations.

I have no idea what you were talking about in that last paragraph.

A conscience is not something you are born with - it's ingrained by (a neurotic society) and is a sign of mental health problems.

I think the Iraqis may be tired of Bushs form of "help"

They probably are. But the troops can't just pull out and leave right now. The country is unstable.

Good thing we ended Saddam's systematic torture and death squads, and also a good thing we aren't stealing their oil.
So many people could respond to this better then I, so I won't.

Moving on, yes Bush was umoved the deaths of so many. That is why he sent more aid money than any other nation. Because, if you don't care, there's no better way to show it than sending $35 million to help the people you don't care about.

Actually, there exists a country known as Spain. The more you know **dazzling smile**

So Bush is beneath simple human dignity and respect
Yep.
simply because you disagree with him?
Bringing the world closer towards a new world wide conflict can have that effect.
That would put you in league with "freedom fighters" like Mao, Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler.
Uumm..no. I'm not planning on changing the world to serve my needs. And bush deserves a place among those.

So many people could respond to this better then I, so I won't.



Actually, there exists a country known as Spain. The more you know **dazzling smile**

What?

He's being instructed on how to say tsunami

They probably are. But the troops can't just pull out and leave right now. The country is unstable.
I wonder how that happened. :rolleyes:

What the fuck do you want him to do?
reach out and embrace the muslims

Yep.

Bringing the world closer towards a new world wide conflict can have that effect.

Uumm..no. I'm not planning on changing the world to serve my needs. And bush deserves a place among those.

Then why are you planning on changing the world?

Good thing we ended Saddam's systematic torture and death squads.
And replaced them with Americans.

Nice place, Zeta-Reticuli. Good food. Nice weather.
Filthy cities though. Discarded skins everywhere.
:D :D :D

I wonder how that happened. :rolleyes:

I wonder what people would say if the war actually went well...

Actually, Bush made a speech about it tonight. He's also raised $35 million in aid. However, he is still a bastard because he waited three days after the disaster to even acknowledge it and his "aid" is equivalent to what the US spends on Iraq every four hours.
he was shamed into it--Bushs first instinct to intence levels of human suffering is to masterbate to it

I wonder what people would say if the war actually went well...
But it didn't.

We haven't sent soldiers there...are you that stupid.

And what's with this BS about stealing Iraq's oil. I guess that's what you mean by "natural resources," as Iraq has oil and sand. No wants sand. Except the Glass Consortium, but Bush isn't in their pockets because Halliburton got to him first. :rolleyes:

If we really wanted to steal oil, why wouldn't we just overthrow Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, where we already hada bunch of troops? Hmmm? Well, since I know someone is going to say that Bush is in league with the Saudis, I'll offer another argument. Why not just look south and take the oil from Mexico and Venezuela? It would be a lot easier and cheaper than invading Iraq. If the war really was led by corporate interests as so many liberals want to believe, they would have advocate invading Mexico and Venezuela over going into the Middle East, as it would have been cheapest and thus allow the greatest profit margin. But I doubt they'll acknowledge this fact, because it inconviently shows one of the many ways they are wrong.

Actually he sent Marines and the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln over there.

he was shamed into it--Bushs first instinct to intence levels of human suffering is to masterbate to it
:D :D :D :D :D :D
Probably so.

So Bush is beneath simple human dignity and respect

Hitler ,Mao, Pinochet line up.

Good thing we ended Saddam's systematic torture and death squads, and also a good thing we aren't stealing their oil.

Moving on, yes Bush was umoved the deaths of so many. That is why he sent more aid money than any other nation. Because, if you don't care, there's no better way to show it than sending $35 million to help the people you don't care about.
Bush is killing and torturing 3 times as many Iraqis as saddam ever did

Oops, forget Pot and Stalin

*what kind of sick monster do we have as President to be so callous in response to the deaths of thousands? I guess a president who would sacrifice 3000 americans on 911 for an unjust war in Iraq isnt capable of understanding human suffering-it must have something to do with Bush never having to deal with real world realitys or something

the Washington Post reports that President Bush is being criticized for failing to address the devastation caused by the tsunami.

Bush has been vacationing at his ranch in Texas and - unlike German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder - has decided not to cut his vacation short. Bush has not even spoken publicly yet about the tragedy.

The Post reports some foreign policy specialists accused the president of communicating a lack of urgency about an event that will loom as large in the collective memories of several countries as the Sept. 11 attacks do in the United States. Leslie Gelb of the Council on Foreign Relations said, "When that many human beings die -- at the hands of terrorists or nature -- you've got to show that this matters to you, that you care."

Middle East analyst Juan Cole writes that Bush has lost a unique opportunity to reach out to the Muslim world by showing compassion in a time of tragedy. Indonesia, one of the nations hardest hit, is the most populous Muslim country in the world. Cole writes "If Bush were a statesman he would have flown to Jakarta and announced his solidarity with the Muslims of Indonesia."

The White House has announced that Bush will conduct a National Security Council meeting today by teleconference to discuss several issues, including the tsunami. One White House official attempted to explain Bush's silence by saying: "The president wanted to be fully briefed on our efforts. He didn't want to make a symbolic statement about 'We feel your pain.'" But another official described Bush's silence as "kind of freaky."
democracynow.org

THE UNITED STATES SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF THE WHOLE WORLD'S PROBLEMS!!! WHEN WE DO, YOU HATE US!!! WHEN WE DON'T, YOU HATE US MORE!!! WE HAVE TO WATCH OURSELVES TOO AND PAYING 90% OF A $100 BILLION PLUS BILL IS NOT IN OUR NATION'S BEST INTEREST!!! WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE REST OF THE WORLD'S SUPER POWERS TAKE A STEP AT THE PLATE FOR A CHANGE!!! MAKE UP YOUR MINDS... DO YOU WANT THE US TO TAKE CARE OF THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS OR NOT? SAYING THAT SADDAM WAS NOT A PROBLEM IS FOOL HARDY!! TO SAY KIM JONG LE IS NOT A PROBLEM IS FOOL HARDY!!! MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MINDS!!!

Uh.....Dagnia? You should look at this:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/29/quake.aid/index.html

Read the number for France. It's a little more than $135,000.
Uh...Selivaria? Perhaps you should read the numbers a bit more carefully.
From the above site:
The United States is offering $35 million, Japan $30 million and the United Kingdom $28 million. Australia and Germany have pledged $27 million, France $20.4 million and Saudi Arabia $10 million.
France GNP: $1.661 trillion
USA GNP: $10.99 trillion
France GNP: 15% of USA
France contribution to the Tsunami relief: 58% of USA
Yep, those Frenchies are really parsimonious, aren't they? :rolleyes:

Typically of American French-bashing, the focus has been solely on how much they immediately donated (and conveniently ignoring the later contributions), which was 5 tonnes of medical and food supplies, along with 100 medical personnel. They were sent over within hours of the disaster. At the same time, the US immediately sent $400 000 to the US embassies to give some immediate aid.
So how come you're not saying US is only giving $400 000?

I guess a president who would sacrifice 3000 americans on 911 for an unjust war in Iraq isnt capable of understanding human suffering-it must have something to do with Bush never having to deal with real world realitys or something

Prove this claim, or never make it again.

THE UNITED STATES SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF THE WHOLE WORLD'S PROBLEMS!!! WHEN WE DO, YOU HATE US!!! WHEN WE DON'T, YOU HATE US MORE!!! WE HAVE TO WATCH OURSELVES TOO AND PAYING 90% OF A $100 BILLION PLUS BILL IS NOT IN OUR NATION'S BEST INTEREST!!! WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE REST OF THE WORLD'S SUPER POWERS TAKE A STEP AT THE PLATE FOR A CHANGE!!! MAKE UP YOUR MINDS... DO YOU WANT THE US TO TAKE CARE OF THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS OR NOT? SAYING THAT SADDAM WAS NOT A PROBLEM IS FOOL HARDY!! TO SAY KIM JONG LE IS NOT A PROBLEM IS FOOL HARDY!!! MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MINDS!!!
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Holy fucking shit

Seven sixteenths of one inch.

Not hard.

I wonder what people would say if the war actually went well...


That's just about the dopiest post I've read so far. The war hasn't gone well, in fact it's pretty much been a disaster for the Iraqis. Bush & his administration have to take responsibility for what has happened there.

There's always someone else that can replace him.

Also. What would happen if people did that back in World War II?

"Hitler's killing other nations."

"Whatever. We'll just let him die."
When did Saddam last 'kill' other nations?
Let's see...
During the 1980s, and the US supported him.
In 1991, and the US kicked his arse.
In the 12 years from there, nothing.

Hitler on the other hand:
Up til 1939, when he was invading nations...
Nothing but attempts at appeasement.
Then when he finally crossed the line, what did the US do?
Nothing til 2 years later.

So how exactly does this comparison work?

America sent $35 million as this was all in a fund for disater relief. That is there full budget for a year. They are getting more from congress. American troops are being sent from Japan. After getting the go ahead from Thailand and other countries. Mostly medical people. American donates 40% everyyear to wrold charities. :mad: I am not a Bush supporter but do not say he is not moved by this tragedy.

Quote:
The United States is offering $35 million, Japan $30 million and the United Kingdom $28 million. Australia and Germany have pledged $27 million, France $20.4 million and Saudi Arabia $10 million.


Some guys (don't mean you) deliberatly forget to count the 30million of the EU towards this seperate donations of member states. So in total those EU nations donnation is far more huge then the US one.

BTW I find the donations of the EU, US aso ridiculous when we see that the inouguration of Bush will be a 40 million party. We should give billions, not millions.

BTW I hope the US citizens will join the EU, Japan and Austraila while having a 3 minutes sillence at monday january 3 in memory of the victims. Those people in the region did it even for a few deaths at theTwinTowers,remember.

Or is a US life more worth then a Asian one :rolleyes:

BUsh Is not human ! he is too stupid and unsensitive to be human< and not being :( over all those deaths,thats just plain wrong!

"Hitler on the other hand:
Up til 1939, when he was invading nations...
Nothing but attempts at appeasement.
Then when he finally crossed the line, what did the US do?
Nothing til 2 years later."

Uhm.... That little "Lend Lease" act thingy of mine in late '39/40 that kept the Wehrmacht & Luftwaffe outta Buckingham Palace seems in retrospect like a bit more than "Nothing" to me.....

Ghost of FDR

:P

"Hitler on the other hand:
Up til 1939, when he was invading nations...
Nothing but attempts at appeasement.
Then when he finally crossed the line, what did the US do?
Nothing til 2 years later."

Uhm.... That little "Lend Lease" act thingy of mine in late '39/40 that kept the Wehrmacht & Luftwaffe outta Buckingham Palace seems in retrospect like a bit more than "Nothing" to me.....

Ghost of FDR

:P
Please, Hitler couldn't have touched Buckingham Palace even if the RAF collapsed (as far as troops go) before 1941.

(P.S. Guess when the lend-lease act passed congress? It wasn't 39/40)

"Hitler on the other hand:
Up til 1939, when he was invading nations...
Nothing but attempts at appeasement.
Then when he finally crossed the line, what did the US do?
Nothing til 2 years later."

Uhm.... That little "Lend Lease" act thingy of mine in late '39/40 that kept the Wehrmacht & Luftwaffe outta Buckingham Palace seems in retrospect like a bit more than "Nothing" to me.....

Ghost of FDR

:P
Whoops, I forgot abut all those American troops fighting and dying along side the British, ANZAC, French, Scandavian, and Indian troops from 1939 to 1941. Silly me. Sorry.

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The United States is offering $35 million, Japan $30 million and the United Kingdom $28 million. Australia and Germany have pledged $27 million, France $20.4 million and Saudi Arabia $10 million.


I think it's significant that a nation like Australia, which has less than 10% of the population of the USA (I don't know what the GDP difference would be), can donate more than 75% of what the US is willing to give.

Yeah, true, same for third world countries that even donate millions.

We should be ashame and speak about billions. I donate some money to NGO's like the doctors of MSF, a fammilymember allready arived monday at Collombo. It wa snot much but when every one does it, it can be better then what the gov's are doing.

That's just about the dopiest post I've read so far. The war hasn't gone well, in fact it's pretty much been a disaster for the Iraqis. Bush & his administration have to take responsibility for what has happened there.

A disaster for the Iraqis. Yes Saddam was much better. You sir, are a moron.

A disaster for the Iraqis. Yes Saddam was much better. You sir, are a moron.

Grow up :rolleyes: "moron"

Grow up :rolleyes: "moron"

I am grown up, you have not given me a reason why that person is not a moron. I gave you a reason why he is one, now try and tell me that it is not moronic to think Iraqis were better off before?

Hitler's grandma armed with a knockwurst could have taken England out of WWII quicker than you could say "Fahrvennuggen" in early 1940. In fact, I'm very much afraid - She Still Could. (cue dramatic music).

Why on God's good green earth Should American troops have died alongside ANZAC/Scaninavian/Martian/EasternCanadian troops '39-'41? I'm leaving France off the list 'cuz we'd of had to fight REAL quick alongside them, seeing as how they resisted the Nazi's (excluding DeGaulle & Crewe) for a whopping 6 weeks in Spring of '40...

Lend Lease was in full rip during the BoB, which was in - 1940, I think. The Brits only kept Buckingham Palace from getting the unholy living crap bombed out of it during the Battle of Britain because of Lend-Lease radar provided by - me, FDR. The greatest el presidente - Ever. :P

Learn to read, that is not what he said but what your extreme propaganda talk makes of it. You would be a good ghostwriter at Goebels' office.

A disaster for the Iraqis. Yes Saddam was much better. You sir, are a moron.
According to this report, most Iraqis view the US forces on par with Saddam.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4066835.stm
They say it is rather like life under Saddam Hussein. Many Iraqis use an Arabic expression, "Same donkey, different saddle".

A disaster for the Iraqis. Yes Saddam was much better. You sir, are a moron.


How many tens of thousands of Iraqis have died since the war began? Certainly more than would have died under Saddam's regime in that time frame. The country is a war zone in a complete state of anarchy, much basic infrastructure has been destroyed and there seems to be no end in site. To me, that makes it a disaster for the Iraqis.

Learn to read, that is not what he said but what your extreme propaganda talk makes of it. You would be a good ghostwriter at Goebels' office.

No it was what he said. When he says Iraq is worse he is directly comparing it to how it was before. Thank you also for your witty remark comparing me to a Nazi.

I wonder what people would say if the war actually went well...
then it would be a case of good coming out of evil

What do you think? Do you think Iraqi is better now?

Prove this claim, or never make it again.
Bush received 24 specific warnings about 911 that he actively ignored because he needed a 911 type event to occur according to the PNAC documents whose links have been posted here numerous times in the past

How many tens of thousands of Iraqis have died since the war began? Certainly more than would have died under Saddam's regime in that time frame. The country is a war zone in a complete state of anarchy, much basic infrastructure has been destroyed and there seems to be no end in site. To me, that makes it a disaster for the Iraqis.

Where do you get your news from Al-Jazzeri...Wait.. no, even they allow for the fact that an estimated ten thousand citizens died(that is from an Arabic propoganda agency).. Saddam killed millions more, the country was alreayd in a God awful state considering all the resources and money went to the Baathists. And as for an end in sight, do you not recall that elections will be held in less then a month, that all the violence is centered in the Sunni Triangle and caused by former Baathist(who resent lost power) and Islamic Fundamentalists. Get your facts straight beofre you can possibly think to entertain the idea that Iraqi is worse off, I know it would suit your ideas, and beliefs if it was, but it is much better.

A disaster for the Iraqis. Yes Saddam was much better. You sir, are a moron.
two wrongs dont make a right
you sir/madam, are the real moron

Hitler's grandma armed with a knockwurst could have taken England out of WWII quicker than you could say "Fahrvennuggen" in early 1940. In fact, I'm very much afraid - She Still Could. (cue dramatic music).
So Hitler decided not to invade because of why exactly? Couldn't they find a knockwurst big eough for his granny?

Why on God's good green earth Should American troops have died alongside ANZAC/Scaninavian/Martian/EasternCanadian troops '39-'41?
Why on God's good green earth should the ANZACs/Canadian/Indian troops died alongside the British/French troops '39-'41?
Maybe to try to stop a Megalomanical Dictator from taking over and enslaving a big chunk of the World.
Maybe because that's what Nations that love freedom do - help others that are being invaded even if means sacrificing their own men. They don't wait to get attacked themselves before commiting troops.
It was hardly like NZ and Oz (or Canada) were directly threatened, yet they still sent troops over.

two wrongs dont make a right
you sir/madam, are the real moron

Eliminating Saddam was not a wrong. Give me evidence in hwo it is worse for the Iraqi people. How???

Eliminating Saddam was not a wrong. Give me evidence in hwo it is worse for the Iraqi people. How???
Saddam was only eliminated when he stopped being a Bush puppet--Bush doesnt care at all about the Iraqi people-which is why he destroyed all their electricity and infrastructre and no wonders why the entire country want his looting ass out of there--Bush went to Iraq in the context of an invasive parasitical worm not as a liberator

"So Hitler decided not to invade because of why exactly? Couldn't they find a knockwurst big eough for his granny?"

Jeez Hamster, you Are demented - I believe there are about 500 good books out there addressing the topic, most by Euro-Diplomats who lived through it..

Short Answer: Herr Hitler, against the excellent advice of his senior military advisors, decided that invading Russia in '40 was a "Really Groovenheimer Idea".

At least give me a tough one, after all - I remain,

The Ghost of FDR

:P

Saddam was only eliminated when he stopped being a Bush puppet--Bush doesnt care at all about the Iraqi people-which is why he destroyed all their electricity and infrastructre and no wonders why the entire country want his looting ass out of there--Bush went to Iraq in the context of an invasive parasitical worm not as a liberator

What evidence do you have.. especially when the infrastructure is being rebuilt, where is this American looting going on...and please let me see this poll of Iraquis asking for us to leave at this very moment.

he was shamed into it--Bushs first instinct to intence levels of human suffering is to masterbate to it
as usual, RedArrow says something he has no proof for, and it aims at the gutter.

Bush is killing and torturing 3 times as many Iraqis as saddam ever did
And do you have proof?

Didn't think so...

so what.. IRaq is better off with sadam and his sons, then even the CHANCE of a stable democracy 5 or 10 years from now ? You look only in the present.. you have to broaden your horizons to encompass the future prosepects.. of course today iraq is suffering.. and we as americans are suffering with them, they arn't alone.. But their suffering today can bring limitless promise for tomorrow.. it would be totally idfferent if we left them there to suffer on their own.. its more shocking how resistant Europe is being, espeically seeing how if we fail in IRAQ it will directly impact Europe before it hits us..

What evidence do you have.. especially when the infrastructure is being rebuilt, where is this American looting going on...and please let me see this poll of Iraquis asking for us to leave at this very moment.
the looting was the entire point of the war--theres billions missing from Iraq not to mention all the no bid contracts to war profiteers like Halliburton etc. and the infrastructure isnt being rebuilt cause the contractors are being targeted and some are already pulling out cause the situation is too dangerous. All of these events were predictable but Bush was blinded by his greed and contempt for human life

BUsh Is not human ! he is too stupid and unsensitive to be human< and not being :( over all those deaths,thats just plain wrong!
At least you're honest...stupid, but honest.

the looting was the entire point of the war--theres billions missing from Iraq not to mention all the no bid contracts to war profiteers like Halliburton etc. and the infrastructure isnt being rebuilt cause the contractors are being targeted and some are already pulling out cause the situation is too dangerous. All of these events were predictable but Bush was blinded by his greed and lack of concern for human life

Oh yes the infamous Halliburton...you have nothing except extreme leftist american hating propaganda conspriacy theories.

so what.. IRaq is better off with sadam and his sons, then even the CHANCE of a stable democracy 5 or 10 years from now ? You look only in the present.. you have to broaden your horizons to encompass the future prosepects.. of course today iraq is suffering.. and we as americans are suffering with them, they arn't alone.. But their suffering today can bring limitless promise for tomorrow.. it would be totally idfferent if we left them there to suffer on their own.. its more shocking how resistant Europe is being, espeically seeing how if we fail in IRAQ it will directly impact Europe before it hits us..
people might have a little more faith in what you were saying if Bush wasnt trying to put another Saddam type puppet in power

Please stop being so predictable in your agruments.. I would like to have a coherent maybe logical argument, or is that too much to ask?

Bush received 24 specific warnings about 911 that he actively ignored because he needed a 911 type event to occur according to the PNAC documents whose links have been posted here numerous times in the past
Do you have proof? No?

Didn't think so...

And do you have proof?

Didn't think so...
Abu Grabass

people might have a little more faith in what you were saying if Bush wasnt trying to put another Saddam type puppet in power

Who is this puppet? Evidence please. You are just bull.

Oh yes the infamous Halliburton...you have nothing except extreme leftist american hating propaganda conspriacy theories.
I dont hate america I hate the enemies of america like Bush/cheney

The United States has donated millions already to the tsunami victims. France has donated 135,000...
Dagnia go to the nearest Wallmart...and buy some Credibility...

You have none left...nada...zip...zero.

Abu Grabass

It never gets old with you...how many peole were killed there? Was it 10 thousand..hmm or was it a case with 6 troops taking inapprobiate photos.

Abu Grabass
Yeah, cause putting panties on some murderer's head is just as horrible as throwing people in mulchers and mass graves.

RedArrow, as usual, you have to put down that bong.

Dagnia go to the nearest Wallmart...and buy some Credibility...

You have none left.
everytime someone buys something at walmart another chinese slave has been worked to death

I dont hate america I hate the enemies of america like Bush/cheney
The only enemy of America is you...admit it, and it will free you.

everytime someone buys something at walmart another chinese slave has been worked to death

I swear to God.. you have to be kidding me. You are right? You ar not the dumbest person I have ever met, are you?

They probably are. But the troops can't just pull out and leave right now. The country is unstable.

Unstable because the U.S. military or whoever decided to dismantle Iraq's existing military and socio-economic infrastructure which cut off essential services to ordinary Iraqi citizens and also made it easier for any insurgents to sabotage the efforts to restore those same services.

Who is this puppet? Evidence please. You are just bull.
Allawis the puppet--he hasnt even lived in Iraq for 15 years and no one in Iraq wants him

I swear to God.. you have to be kidding me. You are right? You ar not the dumbest person I have ever met, are you?
Skapedroe/RedArrow/MKULTRA is not necessarily dumb. He simply illustrates what happens when a stoner starts believing what he hears in Err America.

Allawis the puppet--he hasnt even lived in Iraq for 15 years and no one in Iraq wants him
The only puppet I see is you, as a puppet of Al Franken. You must be the only person dumber than Franken.

Skapedroe/RedArrow/MKULTRA is not necessarily dumb. He simply illustrates what happens when a stoner starts believing what he hears in Err America.

I don't know.. I mean to believe such lies and bull so easily. It just astounds me. I honestly have to much faith in human beings sometimes, so thats why I hope he is one of a kind.

Where do you get your news from Al-Jazzeri...Wait.. no, even they allow for the fact that an estimated ten thousand citizens died(that is from an Arabic propoganda agency).. Saddam killed millions more, the country was alreayd in a God awful state considering all the resources and money went to the Baathists. And as for an end in sight, do you not recall that elections will be held in less then a month, that all the violence is centered in the Sunni Triangle and caused by former Baathist(who resent lost power) and Islamic Fundamentalists. Get your facts straight beofre you can possibly think to entertain the idea that Iraqi is worse off, I know it would suit your ideas, and beliefs if it was, but it is much better.


What's wrong with getting your news from more than one source? I think it allows a more balanced perspective. I watch Fox news too.

I never said Saddam wasn't a monster who murdered his own people. The country was already in a bad state, but its infrastructure, etc is much worse now.

I know the election is due soon, but the date has been pushed back more than once, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. Additionally, I don't think that an election is going to solve the violence, it seems to me to be spiralling out of control. The violence may only be perpetrated by three different groups as you suggest, but they're still a strong presence within the region. It seems to me that we're digging a bigger & bigger hole, from which we can't escape. Can you see an end in sight?

I still think the Iraqis are worse off now.

What's wrong with getting your news from more than one source? I think it allows a more balanced perspective. I watch Fox news too.

I never said Saddam wasn't a monster who murdered his own people. The country was already in a bad state, but its infrastructure, etc is much worse now.

I know the election is due soon, but the date has been pushed back more than once, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. Additionally, I don't think that an election is going to solve the violence, it seems to me to be spiralling out of control. The violence may only be perpetrated by three different groups as you suggest, but they're still a strong presence within the region. It seems to me that we're digging a bigger & bigger hole, from which we can't escape. Can you see an end in sight?

I still think the Iraqis are worse off now.

I can see an end. 98% of the country is stable and lets not forget when the war ended. Wasn;t barely a year or so... we still have troops in Japan from WW2.

What's wrong with getting your news from more than one source? I think it allows a more balanced perspective. I watch Fox news too.

I never said Saddam wasn't a monster who murdered his own people. The country was already in a bad state, but its infrastructure, etc is much worse now.

I know the election is due soon, but the date has been pushed back more than once, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. Additionally, I don't think that an election is going to solve the violence, it seems to me to be spiralling out of control. The violence may only be perpetrated by three different groups as you suggest, but they're still a strong presence within the region. It seems to me that we're digging a bigger & bigger hole, from which we can't escape. Can you see an end in sight?

I still think the Iraqis are worse off now.

Plus anytime Saddam is gone..they have to be better.

Bush had that evil smirk on his face when he talked about all the people killed by the earthquake and tidal waves. He is slimy. He's stupid too.

ooo big bad Bush. Yeah yeah he has a new weapon that caused that tsunami! He did Bush did it. The woes of the world are Bush's fault. I am sleeping on a couch, that is Bush's fault. You cant get no lovin'? that is Bush's fault!
Your aunt died? that's Bush's fault. Does your mama hate you? that's Bush's fault. Both world wars the Korean and Vietnam wars were Bush's fault. :rolleyes:
really, where does the line be drawn between your freakishly stupid conspiracy theory's and reality?

The only puppet I see is you, as a puppet of Al Franken. You must be the only person dumber than Franken.
playa hata

Bush had that evil smirk on his face when he talked about all the people killed by the earthquake and tidal waves. He is slimy. He's stupid too.

You have to ve kidding me..if not I cannot deal with you people any more. Its a sad state when I cannot tell sarcasm from the truth.

98% of (IRAQ) is stable and lets not forget when the war ended......edited
98% ???? 98% ?????????????

goodness...where do you get your news???

*what kind of sick monster do we have as President to be so callous in response to the deaths of thousands? I guess a president who would sacrifice 3000 americans on 911 for an unjust war in Iraq isnt capable of understanding human suffering-it must have something to do with Bush never having to deal with real world realitys or something

the Washington Post reports that President Bush is being criticized for failing to address the devastation caused by the tsunami.

Bush has been vacationing at his ranch in Texas and - unlike German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder - has decided not to cut his vacation short. Bush has not even spoken publicly yet about the tragedy.

The Post reports some foreign policy specialists accused the president of communicating a lack of urgency about an event that will loom as large in the collective memories of several countries as the Sept. 11 attacks do in the United States. Leslie Gelb of the Council on Foreign Relations said, "When that many human beings die -- at the hands of terrorists or nature -- you've got to show that this matters to you, that you care."

Middle East analyst Juan Cole writes that Bush has lost a unique opportunity to reach out to the Muslim world by showing compassion in a time of tragedy. Indonesia, one of the nations hardest hit, is the most populous Muslim country in the world. Cole writes "If Bush were a statesman he would have flown to Jakarta and announced his solidarity with the Muslims of Indonesia."

The White House has announced that Bush will conduct a National Security Council meeting today by teleconference to discuss several issues, including the tsunami. One White House official attempted to explain Bush's silence by saying: "The president wanted to be fully briefed on our efforts. He didn't want to make a symbolic statement about 'We feel your pain.'" But another official described Bush's silence as "kind of freaky."
democracynow.org
Way to borrow unfounded ideas without any quotes of the accused filled with fallacy and conspiracy. Moron.

ooo big bad Bush. Yeah yeah he has a new weapon that caused that tsunami! He did Bush did it. The woes of the world are Bush's fault. I am sleeping on a couch, that is Bush's fault. You cant get no lovin'? that is Bush's fault!
Your aunt died? that's Bush's fault. Does your mama hate you? that's Bush's fault. Both world wars the Korean and Vietnam wars were Bush's fault. :rolleyes:
really, where does the line be drawn between your freakishly stupid conspiracy theory's and reality?

This is rather silly, isn't it? Bush is just evil. But he has no new weapon to make earthquakes. As for Vietnam, he didn't even go there. He's a chicken.

I think it is absolutely ridiculous that all you lefties think you know everything going on over in Iraq... this is insanity! There is no way you would ever know what is going on in Iraq unless you are part of the active military (which backs our president something like 60 or 70 percent). If you get your info from the news... remember the phrase "good news is no news"? Well it's true for the media because no one want's to hear "Such and such a battle was one by the United States army today..." Even Fox News does this because GOOD NEWS IS BAD BUSSINESS!! They are bussinesses not informers of the public. So next time think about the reliability of your sources.

To get this thread back on track...Lets look at how things are currently being reported:



Australia: AUD 10 million (USD 7.7 million) added to initial AUD 25 million (USD 18.1 million)

Canada:CAD 40 million (USD 33 million), adding to the original figure of CAD$4 million

China:RMB 21.63 million (USD 2.6 million)

European Union: EUR 3 million (USD 4.1 million)

France: 15 million EUR

Germany: EUR 20 million (USD 26 million)

Japan: USD 30 million

United Kingdom: GBP 15 million (USD 29 million)

United States: USD 35 million



There is actually much more than this being sent from almost every country on the planet. Every one is giving what they can be it outright money to food, medical aid, water, trained personell.

There is no room, rhyme or reason for bashing any country in this.

and Skapedroe - you are not amuseing in the least, and a damned ass for creating this sort of thread to get your agenda toffed by useing this tragedy.

You have to ve kidding me..if not I cannot deal with you people any more. Its a sad state when I cannot tell sarcasm from the truth.

Clackity clak. Look at his face. Or didn't you see his press conference from his ranch in Texas. Geez, is this guy ever not on vacation?

To get this thread back on track...Lets look at how things are currently being reported:



There is actually much more than this being sent from almost every country on the planet. Every one is giving what they can be it outright money to food, medical aid, water, trained personell.

There is no room, rhyme or reason for bashing any country in this.

and Skapedroe - you are not amuseing in the least, and a damned ass for creating this sort of thread to get your agenda toffed by useing this tragedy.

Totally agree and I am done responding to him..I cannot take the blatant agenda.

A disaster for the Iraqis. Yes Saddam was much better. You sir, are a moron.


BTW, having a different opinion to yourself doesn't make me a moron. I just means we don't share the same point of view.

Clackity clak. Look at his face. Or didn't you see his press conference from his ranch in Texas. Geez, is this guy ever not on vacation?

Please stop, you are only making yourself sound like a tool. With that I am done.

Bush received 24 specific warnings about 911 that he actively ignored because he needed a 911 type event to occur according to the PNAC documents whose links have been posted here numerous times in the past

I haven't seen them. Post them again.

BTW, having a different opinion to yourself doesn't make me a moron. I just means we don't share the same point of view.

No it does. In my opinion you are a moron for believing Iraq would be better with Saddam. So in that case you are a moron.

Clackity clak. Look at his face. Or didn't you see his press conference from his ranch in Texas. Geez, is this guy ever not on vacation?
what are you talking about?
bush is working!
just not at the white house
its like super telecommuting

Please stop, you are only making yourself sound like a tool. With that I am done.

As I noted -- look at his face. Listen to the inflection in his voice. As for a tool, then I will be a tool for God and country, and for truth.

what are you talking about?
bush is working!
just not at the white house
its like super telecommuting

Bush himself announced he's on vacation. The noble gentleman took time out to give a press conference because tens of thousands of people died. He has been on vacation more than any president in the history of this country.

a. How awefully stupid do you have to be to think that he is happy that this earthquake happened?

b. No matter where the president is, he is really never on vacation. 'Nuff said.

No it does. In my opinion you are a moron for believing Iraq would be better with Saddam. So in that case you are a moron.

Who died to make you king? What makes you the arbiter of morons? The fact that you think I'm a moron doesn't necessarily make it so.

a. How awefully stupid do you have to be to think that he is happy that this earthquake happened?

b. No matter where the president is, he is really never on vacation. 'Nuff said.

Bush is not necessarily happy. He just has an idiotic smirk on his face. God only knows what, or if, he is thinking. As for never being on vacation, spare me. Playing golf is not working at national or international affairs.

Enough said? Ha! You sound like those typical rabid Republican robots that want all discussion stopped once they create some plausible deniability for messing up. The invasion of Iraq is wrong on every level.

The thread here started because Bush appears to be unfeeling. He does lack an ability to show any compassion. Perhaps, he has none to show. His words ring hollow.

THE UNITED STATES SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF THE WHOLE WORLD'S PROBLEMS!!! WHEN WE DO, YOU HATE US!!! WHEN WE DON'T, YOU HATE US MORE!!! WE HAVE TO WATCH OURSELVES TOO AND PAYING 90% OF A $100 BILLION PLUS BILL IS NOT IN OUR NATION'S BEST INTEREST!!! WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE REST OF THE WORLD'S SUPER POWERS TAKE A STEP AT THE PLATE FOR A CHANGE!!! MAKE UP YOUR MINDS... DO YOU WANT THE US TO TAKE CARE OF THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS OR NOT? SAYING THAT SADDAM WAS NOT A PROBLEM IS FOOL HARDY!! TO SAY KIM JONG LE IS NOT A PROBLEM IS FOOL HARDY!!! MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MINDS!!!



What he said.

Jeeze you all sound like a group of bickering five year old children. T

his whoile argument sprung up over a blown up, out of proportion opinion.

Why should America give a cent? We're not directly affected by it. Call me heartless, but sucks to them. Their tragedy; they can deal with it.

I know that it is unlikely that any nation would come to our aid if we had a natural disaster on such a high level, but if we do nothing than we are worth nothing.

Why should America give a cent? We're not directly affected by it. Call me heartless, but sucks to them. Their tragedy; they can deal with it.

Especially when they have no money.

Why should America give a cent? We're not directly affected by it. Call me heartless, but sucks to them. Their tragedy; they can deal with it.That would be interesting...I would like to see it.

Bush: "i decided that im not going to give a cent".

Yeah...that would be really interesting...

To get this thread back on track...Lets look at how things are currently being reported:



There is actually much more than this being sent from almost every country on the planet. Every one is giving what they can be it outright money to food, medical aid, water, trained personell.

There is no room, rhyme or reason for bashing any country in this.

and Skapedroe - you are not amuseing in the least, and a damned ass for creating this sort of thread to get your agenda toffed by useing this tragedy.
I see no immorality in using a human tragedy to expose a monster

To get this thread back on track...Lets look at how things are currently being reported:

Australia: AUD 10 million (USD 7.7 million) added to initial AUD 25 million (USD 18.1 million)

Canada:CAD 40 million (USD 33 million), adding to the original figure of CAD$4 million

China:RMB 21.63 million (USD 2.6 million)

European Union: EUR 3 million (USD 4.1 million)

France: 15 million EUR

Germany: EUR 20 million (USD 26 million)

Japan: USD 30 million

United Kingdom: GBP 15 million (USD 29 million)

United States: USD 35 million
.

First# GNP% needs to be taken into account...

Second# the EU will give more than the US...

Third# Spain is not in your list.

I see no immorality in using a human tragedy to expose a monster

Political opportunism is immoral no matter what you think you're accomplishing.

Political opportunism is immoral no matter what you think you're accomplishing.
Then Bush is as moral as a cocainaddict draftDodger.
Who killed thousands of Civileans to find ghost WMD...

and the mother of all Political Oppurtunists...

Political opportunism is immoral no matter what you think you're accomplishing.
don't listen to him red, uncle joe would be proud.

Then Bush is as moral as a cocainaddict draftDodger.
Who killed thousands of Civileans to find ghost WMD...

and the mother of all Political Oppurtunists...

Funny. I don't recall that I was talking about George W. Bush.

Though to be honest, I did kind of expect that someone would try to defend Skapedroe's use of a natural disaster as an opportunity to take another shot at Bush by saying "Bush is a political opportunist too!" Maybe I should start writing your retorts for you.

Funny. I don't recall that I was talking about George W. Bush.
Does not seem to matter to most as long as they get their shot in :p

Do I have a political agenda? Perhaps; I certainly do not like the Bush administration for a variety of reasons. But I will not go into those now. Instead I will attempt to explain why I personally found Bush's actions regarding the earthquake/tsunami disaster callous and disheartening. It is not a matter of his facial expressions or his inflection.

At around 12:30 early morning on the 27th, I listened to the BBC World radio and its coverage the disaster in its initial stages. I remember an Indonesian government official remarking that there had been at least 40 deaths, but they expected the count to rise as the more remote parts of the island were contacted. The BBC reported a few hundred deads in Sri Lanka. I sleepily thought to myself that it was a welcome shock that so few had died from such a massive earthquake, and fell asleep. By the time I woke up, however, those numbers had ballooned into the then tens of thousands. At around 1 pm (mountain time) it was about 25,000. Before then - when I had heard that there were a few hundred deaths - the reaction by the Bush administration was entirely appropriate. It appeared to be a regional issue worthy of $440,000 (don't quote me on the exact figure) of the US's money. But by the time the toll was reaching epic proportions, we should have reacted more strongly. An initial promise of $15 million may sound like a lot to some people, until one realizes that literally billions are being spent on the war in Iraq. It was not until a UN official called the US "stingy" that we upped the amount to $30 million. Again, an impressive sum, until you consider that this is matched by the EU alone, with its countries individually contributing much more. The GNP of these European nations is a fraction of that of the United States, and yet they are managing to meet a significant portion of the US's offering. (I believe one number posted was France's GNP is 15% of the US's, while it is donating 58% of the amount the US is.) This is not to downplay our donation - it is impressive and worthy.

One poster mentioned the other superpowers of the world and asked why they aren't giving more. The answer to that is we *are* the only superpower. The countries of Europe (Great Britain in particular) were so devastated by WWII that they have never been able to pull themselves out of 2nd world country status. With the collapse of the USSR, Russia is no longer a superpower. Japan once approached that status economically, and seems like it may do so again, but is constitutionally required to only maintain an army for self-defense. The other candidate for superpowerhood is China; notably that country which was once quite stingy with foreign aid has been particuarly generous (for them, at least).

On Tuesday morning, when the numbers were reaching the 10s of thousands, Bush was baling hay on his multimillion dollar ranch. I'm not just saying this; it was a statement by his press secretary. By now, with the numbers projected to hit 100,000 once disease sets in, the Bush administration needs to show greater support. I don't mean just financially, but emotionally: these people have suffered a catastrophe that will leave permanent psychological scars. In a predominately Muslim country like Indonesia, it would wise on the part of the Bush administration to send someone - anyone, really - out to visit. Bush loves his flight suit and soup kitchen photo ops, Rummy served and then dined with the troops in Iraq. Certainly now a representative of the administration can be bothered to snap a few photos of handing out bottles of water and sacks of flour. It is not just that the US has not matched the EU in terms of money (in proportion to GNP, certainly), or not sent a rep over. It is that Bush is still on vacation in Crawford TX, and has done little more personally than send his condolences.

SG

Does not seem to matter to most as long as they get their shot in :p
damn....I feel naked :D :D :D :eek:

If stuff like this was on the news this year instead of Jackson, Peterson, Hacking, ... I'm quite certain John Kerry would be packing up his suitcases with a plane ticket to Washinton DC.

damn....I feel naked :D :D :D :eek:
Fine with me :fluffle:

The only puppet I see is you, as a puppet of Al Franken. You must be the only person dumber than Franken.

Irony from Father Limbaugh's altarboy.

I dont hate america I hate the enemies of america like Bush/cheney

The only enemy of America is you...admit it, and it will free you.

"There once were two cats of Kilkenny,
each thought there was one cat too many.
So they fought and they fit,
and they scratched and they bit,
til instead of two cats, there weren't any."

And that will be a bright day for America.

EDIT: Might as well throw in on the topic...yes, America is being stingy. But, this disaster is only days old, and much of our funding and resources are tied up in a very poorly executed military action. I have little doubt that political pressure will increase our contribution over time while, of course, raising our national debt, which seems to have long since ceased to be a concern of this administration. Bush, meanwhile, is doing what he does best - whatever he damn well pleases. I'm sure that, eventually, he'll find time to bother with those little brown people. This is something even he can't ignore forever, and he will need to take some meaningful action in the days ahead.

Funny. I don't recall that I was talking about George W. Bush.

Though to be honest, I did kind of expect that someone would try to defend Skapedroe's use of a natural disaster as an opportunity to take another shot at Bush by saying "Bush is a political opportunist too!" Maybe I should start writing your retorts for you.

how do we know you're not already, he could be one of your puppets. a paper tiger set up to be an easy target for your retorts.

how do we know you're not already, he could be one of your puppets. a paper tiger set up to be an easy target for your retorts.
Um thought Skapedroe = new MKULTRA (got del) if so he really is that dumb ... it is not a paper tiger lol

*what kind of sick monster do we have as President to be so callous in response to the deaths of thousands? I guess a president who would sacrifice 3000 americans on 911 for an unjust war in Iraq isnt capable of understanding human suffering-it must have something to do with Bush never having to deal with real world realitys or something

the Washington Post reports that President Bush is being criticized for failing to address the devastation caused by the tsunami.

Bush has been vacationing at his ranch in Texas and - unlike German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder - has decided not to cut his vacation short. Bush has not even spoken publicly yet about the tragedy.

The Post reports some foreign policy specialists accused the president of communicating a lack of urgency about an event that will loom as large in the collective memories of several countries as the Sept. 11 attacks do in the United States. Leslie Gelb of the Council on Foreign Relations said, "When that many human beings die -- at the hands of terrorists or nature -- you've got to show that this matters to you, that you care."

Middle East analyst Juan Cole writes that Bush has lost a unique opportunity to reach out to the Muslim world by showing compassion in a time of tragedy. Indonesia, one of the nations hardest hit, is the most populous Muslim country in the world. Cole writes "If Bush were a statesman he would have flown to Jakarta and announced his solidarity with the Muslims of Indonesia."

The White House has announced that Bush will conduct a National Security Council meeting today by teleconference to discuss several issues, including the tsunami. One White House official attempted to explain Bush's silence by saying: "The president wanted to be fully briefed on our efforts. He didn't want to make a symbolic statement about 'We feel your pain.'" But another official described Bush's silence as "kind of freaky."
democracynow.org
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041230/ap_on_go_pr_wh/quake_us

Um thought Skapedroe = new MKULTRA (got del) if so he really is that dumb ... it is not a paper tiger lol

well i know TRA isn't your puppet(well "know" might be to strong a word to use about identity on the internet but...) but OceanDrive might be

Though to be honest, I did kind of expect that someone would try to defend Skapedroe's use of a natural disaster as an opportunity to take another shot at Bush by saying "Bush is a political opportunist too!" Maybe I should start writing your retorts for you.

"Bush is a political opportunist".... I dont even need to say it...It is all over the Bush Approved TVads...

Skapedroe does not need anyone to defend him...

There was a big hole in your statement...and I just had to drive a truck tru it :D

like UpwardThrust said
"... as long as they get their shot in"...just getting my ez shots....like shooting fish on a barrel...

God I feel lazy :cool:

how do we know you're not already, he could be one of your puppets. a paper tiger set up to be an easy target for your retorts.

Because if I could make this stuff up, I wouldn't be posting on the NationStates message board. I'd be writing for the friggin' Onion.

well i know TRA isn't your puppet(well "know" might be to strong a word to use about identity on the internet but...) but OceanDrive might be
No Skapedroe is MKULTRA (just looked it up ) dosent suprize me and MKULTRA was not his first name ... if I remember right The red arrow was his first ...

Anyways simplified

MKULTRA (the name I most know him by) got deleted at the 4k + post count (from memory) so yeah lets just say not a puppet
probably has 10 K posts between his name

But eventualy gets deleted (and he is NOT in the habet of puppet arguing)

out of 4 k posts MKULTRA had to have quoted about 2K democracy now articles ( I dont exagerate it is so silly he just coppies and pastes ... in fact he started a "mkultras democracy now coppy and paste thread" lol)

Anyways he has been around and posted more then either me or you have done combined ... not a straw man just an idiot

"Bush is a political opportunist".... I dont even need to say it...It is all over the Bush Approved TVads...

Skapedroe does not need anyone to defend him...

There was a big hole in your statement...and I just had to drive a truck tru it :D

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I actually like George W. Bush. I didn't call Skapedroe a political opportunist because he's slamming bush. I called him a political opportunist because he's using the deaths of 100,000 people in a natural disaster as a pretext to slam Bush.

how do we know you're not already, he could be one of your puppets. a paper tiger set up to be an easy target for your retorts.
hmmm....are you calling me a Paper Tiger?

well i know TRA isn't your puppet(well "know" might be to strong a word to use about identity on the internet but...) but OceanDrive might be
My puppet?(sorry just re read it and know my last post might not make sence thought you ment his puppet)

hmmm....are you calling me a Paper Tiger?


yes, but its actually one of the nicest things i've called anyone tonight.

hmmm....are you calling me a Paper Tiger?
I think he is ... get him tiger :p

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I actually like George W. Bush.My mistake

If stuff like this was on the news this year instead of Jackson, Peterson, Hacking, ... I'm quite certain John Kerry would be packing up his suitcases with a plane ticket to Washinton DC.


Umm not really, because of the pure fact that Indonesians are muslims, and Americans hate muslims; well at least the christian chunk of America, which is what got Bush elected in the first place.


But to put in my 2 cents. Why is it that when we do nothing or little about a situation we are known as "stingy" and "lifeless", but when we do something to cure the situation like taking an evil dictator that killed over a million of this own people out of power we are known as "barbarians" and "War-Mongerers". I don't see why we should be spending billions on the crisis. Lets see, protecting our 130,000 AMERICAN troops in Iraq with our billions, or donating money to a nation that critizes America and trying to save 100,000 INDONESIAN people that are already projected to die. Well hmm, hard choice isn't it.

yes, but its actually one of the nicest things i've called anyone tonight.
Just to let you know I have 0 puppets ... if he is one he is not mine

My puppet?(sorry just re read it and know my last post might not make sence thought you ment his puppet)

well that IS another possibility. i know none of you are my puppets but that's as far as i will go on the subject with any certainty.

yes, but its actually one of the nicest things i've called anyone tonight.
You have not been around long enogh to know me...

Just to let you know I have 0 puppets ... if he is one he is not mine
you need to get some its very liberating, a neo nazi one day, a stalinist the next, a redneck the third and jesus christ himself on the fourth.

...if he is one he is not mineIm not a puppet or a paper tiger...this is getting personal...

You have not been around long enogh to know me...
my nation is older than yours and its been a puppet since the day it was born.

Im not a puppet or a paper tiger...this is getting personal...
well all usernames are puppets to a certain extent even if you only use one.

Im not a puppet or a paper tiger...this is getting personal...
I know was just stating it like that cause I dont know ... but I assume the best. Either way as long as ya argue I will be there to argue back (most of the time)

Ok tired so I am sure this is not coming out right
I did not mean to imply that you were ... sorry

my nation is older than yours and its been a puppet since the day it was born.
And you are a puppet of what nation?

I know was just stating it like that cause I dont know ... but I assume the best. Either way as long as ya argue I will be there to argue back (most of the time)

Ok tired so I am sure this is not coming out right
I did not mean to imply that you were ... sorry
don't apologize, i'm the one who is questioning his independent existence, and i'm not especially sorry.

don't apologize, i'm the one who is questioning his independent existence, and i'm not especially sorry.
Nor am I sorry of thinking less of you for it

And you are a puppet of what nation?

actually my original nation got deleted for lack of use. find my region on natinstates. they are all me.

What I find amazing is that anyone is surprised by the lack of humanity shown by Bush.

I suspect he was excited about having 76,000 less Islamic people in the world. That is what the death toll is up to now. In fact, Sri Lanka has stopped counting the dead; they said there were too many to keep track of and they just had to get them buried.

Nor am I sorry of thinking less of you for it


good, if your opinions make you unhappy you should get new ones, no matter how foolish and wrong headed they might be.
since yours don't, its all good.

What I find amazing is that anyone is surprised by the lack of humanity shown by Bush.

I suspect he was excited about having 76,000 less Islamic people in the world. That is what the death toll is up to now. In fact, Sri Lanka has stopped counting the dead; they said there were too many to keep track of and they just had to get them buried.

You'd think he would at least show some compassion for the Western tourists who were caught in the disaster. Or how about the Thai king's grandson? Bush should have some respect for royalty, given his own dynastic-like family. By the way, the Indonesian VP just agreed that the West has indeed been stingy. Spain's up to $70 million. (I think - I find it hard to understand the BBC reporters' accents sometimes!)

SG

What I find amazing is that anyone is surprised by the lack of humanity shown by Bush..Rite now i finding more /$"?%"&?%&$/!/$%?&&*%$ freaking amazing that this n00b is calling me a paper tiger...

Rite now i finding more /$"?%"&?%&$/!/$%?&&*%$ freaking amazing that this n00b is calling me a paper tiger...
Aww come on tiger I was just as insulted that he assumed I needed a paper tiger to knock down

Dont worry about it ... the world goes round one way or another :fluffle:

Rite now i finding more /$"?%"&?%&$/!/$%?&&*%$ freaking amazing that this n00b is calling me a paper tiger...

how do you figure i'm a n00b, this puppet is almost a year, old mr. sept o' 04.

...the world goes round one way or another..

round indeed
*Evil voice*

how do you figure i'm a n00b, this puppet is almost a year, old mr. sept o' 04.sept o' 04, thats all you give me?

sept o' 04, thats all?
Well I joined july I 04 I think ... dont remember exactly mid to end summer

Edit june not july ... forgot to look

Hanging himself would be a good start.

nah too easy..
he should star in the torture-me-live show on fox,
ppl can call in with request on ways to torture (not kill) president bush in a 24 hour live television episode! and after that hang him or something!

sept o' 04, thats all?

that's when YOU were founded, its says so right under your name, this puppet was created in jan. of 04. i think my oldest surviving nation was created in jun or july of 03. you really are a teeny bit slow.

nah too easy..
he should star in the torture-me-live show on fox,
ppl can call in with request on ways to torture (not kill) president bush in a 24 hour live television episode! and after that hang him or something!

Oh no, that would violate the 8th Amendment...wait, that doesn't apply any more...the Geneva Conventions? Crud...quick, someone call Alberto Gonzales!

.... its says so right under your name...n00bs like you always asume that information to be acurate..

Is it true, that America is stingy when it comes to International aid?
-The richest countries agreed to spend at least 0.7% of their gross national product (GNP) on Aid, but surprisingly, USA's aid, in terms of percentage of their GNP is already lowest of any industrialized nation in the world.

Why do you think this is so?

Skapedroe
I see no immorality in using a human tragedy to expose a monster ???


Hey Skappy, please join a Missionary group and go assist yourself. Some of us monsters don't want you here anymore. The gentleman has given more in a day than you have in your entire life--Wealth and Hardwork that is. What you have missed from your mother's nurturing, you will not find here. I'm sure Barbara Bush has given more than her as well.

Is it true, that America is stingy when it comes to International aid?
-The richest countries agreed to spend at least 0.7% of their gross national product (GNP) on Aid, but surprisingly, USA's aid, in terms of percentage of their GNP is already lowest of any industrialized nation in the world.

Why do you think this is so?


The GNP number of countries like the USA and Japan is quite large in comparison to other countries. My thought is they could give more, however choose to look at it respectively as compared to others.

Change the threads name to 'Liberals unite! Time to bash that special person we hate today!"

n00bs like you always asume that information to be acurate.. lol


n00bie d00bie d00

Well, his family is descended from the Reptilians from the Zeta-Reticuli star system....


Formally on another thread:
My theory is that he is, in fact, clearly a puppet serving Cthulu, eternal lord of the deep and infinite chaotic evil. And in summoning his dark master, the earthquakes occured.

-hears, "Yes my leige.", in a southern drawl.-

Formally on another thread:
My theory is that he is, in fact, clearly a puppet serving Cthulu, eternal lord of the deep and infinite chaotic evil. And in summong his dark master, the earthquakes occured.

-hears, "Yes my leige.", in a southern drawl.-

is he one of those ishy hybrids with hidden nameless squirmy parts?

is he one of those ishy hybrids with hidden nameless squirmy parts?

Yes, infact his fingers turn to tentacles that drink up oil since that is what he survives on.

Yes, infact his fingers turn to tentacles that drink up oil since that is what he survives on.
i like him better now, if he is a hybrid it is his duty to serve his elder gods and he seems to be doing a fine job of it.

Is it true, that America is stingy when it comes to International aid?
-The richest countries agreed to spend at least 0.7% of their gross national product (GNP) on Aid, but surprisingly, USA's aid, in terms of percentage of their GNP is already lowest of any industrialized nation in the world.

Why do you think this is so?
Because we need the money to pay the Baseball players...and all their "pills"

this players receive more than the Disater victims

Ken Griffey Jr., Cincinnati $116.5 million
Kevin Brown, Los Angeles $105 million
Mike Piazza, N.Y. Mets 5 $91 million
Bernie Williams, N.Y. Yankees $87.5 million
Shawn Green, Los Angeles $84 million
Mo Vaughn, Anaheim $80 million
Pedro Martinez, Boston $75 million
Larry Walker, Colorado $75 million
Gary Sheffield, Los Angeles $68.5 million
Albert Belle, Baltimore $65 million
Raul Mondesi, Toronto $60 million
Greg Maddux, Atlanta $57.5 million
Randy Johnson, Arizona $52.4 million

Do the same what you do with Fidel. Wait till he dies of old age.
Yeah, but Saddam was no where near dying of old age. And we've been doing that with Fidel for ages.

ROFLMAO, MKUltra!