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whiners shut up about the U.S. help shut the up and give something? Huh!!!

Now I will be the first to say Bush is asshole and I also will be the first to say republicans are dips hits. But when you people start critzing the United States of America about what it does with aid to people it boils my blood. Until any country can match our money in aid has no right to criticize the USA. If I am correct not even the EU can match the United States amount.

P.S. I admit the U.S. was slow but if you have notice we have donated the most money

P.S. I admit the U.S. was slow but if you have notice we have donated the most money

No you you haven't.. Spain has, then Canada, then Japan.. however I'm sure by the end of it, if there is some special interest for the USA they will..

No you you haven't.. Spain has, then Canada, then Japan.. however I'm sure by the end of it, if there is some special interest for the USA they will..

"The United States is offering $35 million, Japan $30 million and the United Kingdom $28 million. Australia and Germany have pledged $27 million, France $20.4 million and Saudi Arabia $10 million."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/29/quake.aid/index.html

That is my source what is yours?

Also spain is offering 60 million and they announced it today we already gave 35 yesterday. Plus we are sending ships and people to the area.

"The United States is offering $35 million, Japan $30 million and the United Kingdom $28 million. Australia and Germany have pledged $27 million, France $20.4 million and Saudi Arabia $10 million."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/29/quake.aid/index.html

That is my source what is yours?
Spain still offered the most money.
Spain will approve a $68 million line of credit as emergency aid, the Foreign Ministry announced late Wednesday.

That is my source what is yours?

Canada has increased it's commitment to $40 million federally, and some provinces are kicking in additional funds as well - for example British Columbia has put $8 Mill on the table. (http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1104355151375_99764351?hub=topstories)

Aww, another random idiot thinks Im a 'dip hit' because of my political affiliation.
Well I hate you to. Also, I mock your political party, your 'religious' beleifs and consider your mother to be a dog of female persuasion.
Is that good?

No you you haven't.. Spain has, then Canada, then Japan.. however I'm sure by the end of it, if there is some special interest for the USA they will..
All I got to say is nice shuffle off … even if we again scrape up the most funding it can be looked at in the light of “fickle” American interests … and maybe put off as “if no one said anything they would have done nothing”

Pfft way to setup future areguments :p

This thread is lame. Arguing who is donating most.

All I got to say is nice shuffle off … even if we again scrape up the most funding it can be looked at in the light of “fickle” American interests … and maybe put off as “if no one said anything they would have done nothing”

Pfft way to setup future areguments :p

Well if you think about it by % of GDP , the USA by no means gives the most in aid to other countries per capita based on GDP.

This thread is lame. Arguing who is donating most.
I know ... but its all over ... let it settle ... give it some time

I am sure each contry is going to adjust its funding over the next few days as they all mobalize everything
Not to mention donate resources and workers rather then just money

If you go by "which government", you're right Steph. But if you go by private charitable donations, you're wrong.

Well if you think about it by % of GDP , the USA by no means gives the most in aid to other countries per capita based on GDP.
I know ... something that I think needs to be changed ... but its not like they are "fickle" they may give out less per capita but it is a huge amount (and again I would LOVE to see private donation levels not just federal handouts)
We just got to either figure out how much the population is giving on its own ... and if that is low see what we can do about shaking free more money

The US is putting up $35 million?

When hurricanes destroyed Florida, how much money did the EU give? How about for the 9/11 attacks? Or that mining accident in WV? I can estimate the amount to be $0!

I feel bad for those people, but seriously, why is it always the US tax money that goes for cleaning up the rest of the planet instead of fixing our own crappy roads, crappy public educational system and uber-crappy health care system?

The US is putting up $35 million?

When hurricanes destroyed Florida, how much money did the EU give? How about for the 9/11 attacks? Or that mining accident in WV? I can estimate the amount to be $0!

I feel bad for those people, but seriously, why is it always the US tax money that goes for cleaning up the rest of the planet instead of fixing our own crappy roads, crappy public educational system and uber-crappy health care system?
Um I believe there were a few EU countries that tried to give us money for 9-11… we scoffed at them if I remember correctly
Bad form on our part

The United States would have silently rejected the aid. They do not need it and it would be a huge hit to there prestige.

They would rather not have it than look like they needed it. Besides, Europe needs it's money much more than the states.

The United States only gives aid to people who do as it says, and to fund programs that it wants.

The United States only gives aid to people who do as it says, and to fund programs that it wants.
Any source for this info or are you just talking?

The United States only gives aid to people who do as it says, and to fund programs that it wants.

youre full of crap

History, Jackass.

I don't need internet links.


Panama, Iraq, Iran, Nicaragua.


And that's just a few off the top of my head.

But can you blame them?

youre full of crap


he said, not making a real argument, and leaving himself open to redicule of his stupidity.

I feel bad for those people, but seriously, why is it always the US tax money that goes for cleaning up the rest of the planet instead of fixing our own crappy roads, crappy public educational system and uber-crappy health care system?
Because the countries to whom we give the money don't even have crappy roads, crappy public education systems, and uber-crappy health care systems to repair. They don't even have basic human necessities that we here take for granted.

But it doesn't matter, right? They toil their life away in some sweatshop for $1 a day making the clothes you wear. Beyond that, they're useless. Fuck 'em! Let 'em die from cholera and other epidemics now prone to break out.

But if you like, look it up on the internet, or in a library, or wherever you like. It's not hard to find.


Current example.

Presidente George Bush has refused to fund any family planing programs(in Africa) that suggest abortions.

With terrible results, might I add.

History, Jackass.

I don't need internet links.


Panama, Iraq, Iran, Nicaragua.


And that's just a few off the top of my head.

But can you blame them?
Well then book info ... I have access to more then a few libraries ... news papers? um an article?
You have named off incidents but have not provided any proof for your claim that they only fund people who do what they want.

Because the countries to whom we give the money don't even have crappy roads, crappy public education systems, and uber-crappy health care systems to repair. They don't even have basic human necessities that we here take for granted.

But it doesn't matter, right? They toil their life away in some sweatshop for $1 a day making the clothes you wear. Beyond that, they're useless. Fuck 'em! Let 'em die from cholera and other epidemics now prone to break out.



God Bless the United States of America!

But if you like, look it up on the internet, or in a library, or wherever you like. It's not hard to find.


Current example.

Presidente George Bush has refused to fund any family planing programs(in Africa) that suggest abortions.

With terrible results, might I add.

I get it. The US should pay people to tuck. That's a great idea.

While we're at it, we should build some bowling alleys, and hand out bushels of free crack.

But if you like, look it up on the internet, or in a library, or wherever you like. It's not hard to find.


Current example.

Presidente George Bush has refused to fund any family planing programs(in Africa) that suggest abortions.

With terrible results, might I add.
You are making the claim not me ... I am sure I can find info to base my opinion on but you are the one that has to provide proof for your claim

If its not hard as you say it should be easy for you to back up your statement

The British public have just sent $38 million in charity aid alone while our government has increased it's donation to well over $96 million.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4133987.stm


And seriously is now the time to start trolling over whose country is better than whose? For anyone's sake can we all just get along for a few weeks while we sort this out

(though to be honest, the U.S can't exactly afford to keep handing out aid like this.)

he said, not making a real argument, and leaving himself open to redicule of his stupidity.


First off, I'm not a he. 2nd..theres nothing to argue. The post of yours that I replied to was simply crap.


I'm not going to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.(person)

First off, I'm not a he. 2nd..theres nothing to argue. The post of yours that I replied to was simply crap.


I'm not going to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.(person)
Awww dont worry untill he/she finds some info to back it up he/she really has not made any sort of real arguement ...

dont worry

Lets :fluffle: :fluffle: some!

Well then book info ... I have access to more then a few libraries ... news papers? um an article?
You have named off incidents but have not provided any proof for your claim that they only fund people who do what they want.



Look it up.

I don't read internet newspapers, I'm sorry.

Look it up on your own, I did.

Iraq.

After the (U.S. funded and installed) Shah of Iran was overthrow by widescale civilian, popular revolt, the new goverment, naturally, was not very happy with america, for good reason i.e, america had been giving their oppresors the guns with wich to shoot them(so to speak). And so, oil was a bit harder to get out of Iran.

Now, it so happened that President Saddam had a plan to invade Iran.

What luck!

And so, they pumped him full of money and weapons, including chemical weaponry, breaking international law.

It did not matter that this was an illegal invasion, nor did it matter that he was a military dictator.




Theres one example

Alexias, if I recall correctly, at some point in history, the US was as backwards a place as most places on Earth.

We managed to become one of the most advanced, and certainly the mightiest nation on Earth.

I don't believe that I should have to subsidize a lifestyle or culture that adheres to living at 16th century standards - one that is certain to revisit disaster over and over again without end.

Japan was certainly living in the 16th century 140 years ago. But in 40 years, they became a modern, powerful nation. I'm sure the Russians still remember how shocking it was for a nation to come out of nowhere in 40 years without external help, and sink half the Russian Navy. Without any US help. With a meager amount of natural resources. While being plundered of money and goods by US and European traders.

So what's Africa's problem? Eh? Sitting on most of the world's critical supplies of precious metals? Sitting on a huge portion of arable land? You can't possibly say that the US is sitting in Africa intervening illegally, now can you? We're not invading any African countries as I recall.

History shows that you either pull your own nation up, or you end up being abused by anyone who comes along. Even the people who help you are committing your children to a lifetime of dependency. And the dependent can pay with nothing but their personal pride and future dependency.

How about for the 9/11 attacks? I can estimate the amount to be $0!

Yes, I'm sure it costs us Canadians not a dime to take ALL of the planes from your skies on 9/11 and house and feed your people for days after. I guess a big fat nothing is what we did. I mean we didn't even know if there were more terrorists on some of those planes. Hell, the USA wasn't even willing to chance it in their own airspace, but what did Canada do? We said, we are not afraid, send them here, we got your back! Yes, I'm sure that's a big fat $0!

The United States is usally the one that gives the most money in any situation. Now in Africa that is a problem. But by the time this situation in Asia is over you can bet the U.S. would have given the most money and who ever comes second will be far off.

I get it. The US should pay people to tuck. That's a great idea.

While we're at it, we should build some bowling alleys, and hand out bushels of free crack.





Perhaps you do not understand that people are having children they cannot afford, thus resulting in the starvation of the entire family, or the murder of the infant. I am not for abortion, but it is happening all the same.




President Manuel Noriaga of Panama.

Received United States aid as long as he did what they were saying.

They United States goverment turned a blind eye to his goverment run cocaine smugling operations for more than a decade.


I'd say that's better than a bowling ally, wouldn't you?

Alexias, if I recall correctly, at some point in history, the US was as backwards a place as most places on Earth.

We managed to become one of the most advanced, and certainly the mightiest nation on Earth.

I don't believe that I should have to subsidize a lifestyle or culture that adheres to living at 16th century standards - one that is certain to revisit disaster over and over again without end.

Japan was certainly living in the 16th century 140 years ago. But in 40 years, they became a modern, powerful nation. I'm sure the Russians still remember how shocking it was for a nation to come out of nowhere in 40 years without external help, and sink half the Russian Navy. Without any US help. With a meager amount of natural resources. While being plundered of money and goods by US and European traders.

So what's Africa's problem? Eh? Sitting on most of the world's critical supplies of precious metals? Sitting on a huge portion of arable land? You can't possibly say that the US is sitting in Africa intervening illegally, now can you? We're not invading any African countries as I recall.

History shows that you either pull your own nation up, or you end up being abused by anyone who comes along. Even the people who help you are committing your children to a lifetime of dependency. And the dependent can pay with nothing but their personal pride and future dependency.



Your absolutly right.


Every poor African who lives a life of poverty choses to live that way because they like it.

If they want something, they should get off there lazy asses!



Maybe, devolop a slave trade so they can use that arable land.....wait a minute.....

Until America actually starts giving as much aid as it says it will then some of the comments here will be valid.

The fact is, the UK is giving nearly three times as much aid as yourselves at the moment.

First off, I'm not a he. 2nd..theres nothing to argue. The post of yours that I replied to was simply crap.


I'm not going to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.(person)




notice that you have still neglected to make a good argument.


While despearatly trying to save face, I might add.

Look it up.

I don't read internet newspapers, I'm sorry.

Look it up on your own, I did.

Iraq.

After the (U.S. funded and installed) Shah of Iran was overthrow by widescale civilian, popular revolt, the new goverment, naturally, was not very happy with america, for good reason i.e, america had been giving their oppresors the guns with wich to shoot them(so to speak). And so, oil was a bit harder to get out of Iran.

Now, it so happened that President Saddam had a plan to invade Iran.

What luck!

And so, they pumped him full of money and weapons, including chemical weaponry, breaking international law.

It did not matter that this was an illegal invasion, nor did it matter that he was a military dictator.




Theres one example
Ok
1 I am NOT going to do your work for you … if you choose not to do it I will just chock it up to what it really is … you assumed … you went with a personal feeling and have no real facts to give out

2 We were having a discussion about only giving money to people who do our biding

Here let me quote you

The United States only gives aid to people who do as it says, and to fund programs that it wants.

So do you or do you not have proof that we ONLY give money to people who do our bidding (note the CAPS only … you made that claim … you have to prove that 100 % of US dollars are only going to people who programs who do as we say)
It was a mighty strong claim that needs mighty strong evidence

Your absolutly right.

Every poor African who lives a life of poverty choses to live that way because they like it.

If they want something, they should get off there lazy asses!

Maybe, devolop a slave trade so they can use that arable land.....wait a minute.....

I am absolutely right. History proves it. They want to live in mud huts and live lives subject to periods of famine brought on by climatic variations.

Not only that, but there are plenty of leftists in the world who want the US to subsidize that lifestyle - after all, the US should subsidize every unsuccessful and idiotic lifestyle in the world.

Oh, and the Arabs thought up enslaving the Africans. Maybe you should take a trip to Ghana and see the places they used to hold them.

I tell you what: the US should not only not be invading places like Iraq, trying to impose Western civilization on people who don't want it, but we shouldn't be paying for people who don't want to live in Western civilization - they don't want it, do they?

Well, I shouldn't have to pay for someone to be a complete idiot, either.

Yes, I'm sure it costs us Canadians not a dime to take ALL of the planes from your skies on 9/11 and house and feed your people for days after. I guess a big fat nothing is what we did. I mean we didn't even know if there were more terrorists on some of those planes. Hell, the USA wasn't even willing to chance it in their own airspace, but what did Canada do? We said, we are not afraid, send them here, we got your back! Yes, I'm sure that's a big fat $0!

Well not to be mean and it is actually a comment but if Canada got attack we would first have to stop laughing because it would be unbelievable and then we would help. I am not sure if you notice but the U.S. usally forgets a lot of it debt to countries. Plus Canada got how many planes? I doubt not very many.

notice that you have still neglected to make a good argument.


While despearatly trying to save face, I might add.
Was not arguing … rather commenting..

Here I will simplify it

Arguing != commenting … though maybe she should have put “I think” in front of it but I understood what she meant

maybe a few reasons ... but if you want me to I can re point out why saying that the US only funds people who do what I want is "Crap"

The Arabs did think it up.

I know that.




But how about this. If there lifestyle is so shitty and stupid, and they should not be allowed to practice it, then your lifestyle is far worse, wasting vast amounts of natural resources.

Let's not get into that. Are you gonna change? Am I gonna change? No.



To say it is entirly there fault is rediculous.

Was not arguing … rather commenting..

Here I will simplify it

Arguing != commenting … though maybe she should have put “I think” in front of it but I understood what she meant

maybe a few reasons ... but if you want me to I can re point out why saying that the US only funds people who do what I want is "Crap"



Argument(in the sense that I said it)= A point.

Ok
1 I am NOT going to do your work for you … if you choose not to do it I will just chock it up to what it really is … you assumed … you went with a personal feeling and have no real facts to give out

2 We were having a discussion about only giving money to people who do our biding

Here let me quote you


So do you or do you not have proof that we ONLY give money to people who do our bidding (note the CAPS only … you made that claim … you have to prove that 100 % of US dollars are only going to people who programs who do as we say)
It was a mighty strong claim that needs mighty strong evidence



the info is out there, just look it up.

But hey, I can't make you.

Do what you like.

Shes talking about me UT. I think she needs some anti-angry pills.

The Arabs did think it up.

I know that.

But how about this. If there lifestyle is so shitty and stupid, and they should not be allowed to practice it, then your lifestyle is far worse, wasting vast amounts of natural resources.

Let's not get into that. Are you gonna change? Am I gonna change? No.

To say it is entirly there fault is rediculous.

If they want to practice 16th century agricultural methods, and the weather changes, or the locusts come, and the crop is wiped out due to something that under our civilization would never be a problem, it's not my fault.

They don't have to change, and I don't have to help them. The Japanese did just fine without selling themselves into slavery, and without anyone's help (in fact, being attacked in two World Wars and being nuked seems only to have spurred them on to more success).

Might I add that not all african cultures, situations, peoples, ect are exactly the same, nor do they have exactly the same situation.



Empires in central Africa were once the greatest in the world.

Go to a library(I do not mean that as an Insult)

the info is out there, just look it up.

But hey, I can't make you.

Do what you like.
Really there is proof that 100% of our money goes only to people who do what we want?

I seriously can not find sources for any of that

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=United+States+money+only+goes+to+people+who+do+what+they+want&btnG=Search

I searched for it but I cant find it

Would you help me?

Shes talking about me UT. I think she needs some anti-angry pills.
I know but I never mind defending someone’s point of view that I agree with

If they want to practice 16th century agricultural methods, and the weather changes, or the locusts come, and the crop is wiped out due to something that under our civilization would never be a problem, it's not my fault.

They don't have to change, and I don't have to help them. The Japanese did just fine without selling themselves into slavery, and without anyone's help (in fact, being attacked in two World Wars and being nuked seems only to have spurred them on to more success).

So, they only farm that way because they want to? Really, I had no Idea.


Your right.



Ok, say I am an Ethiopian farmer. I would like to modernize my agricultural methods, get all the best tractors, dig massive irrigation systems, get a crop duster to do my fields.

How do I do it?

Might I add that not all african cultures, situations, peoples, ect are exactly the same, nor do they have exactly the same situation.

Empires in central Africa were once the greatest in the world.

Go to a library(I do not mean that as an Insult)

Sure, they might have been. But then Islam and the Arabs came along, and sold them into slavery in the West.

If I offer you a life vest, and tell you to wear it when you're out in your boat, and you go out in your boat, and fall overboard, don't criticize me if I fail to show up in time to do anything except retrieve your bloated corpse from the water. Especially if you've told me that wearing a life vest is against your religion.

Really there is proof that 100% of our money goes only to people who do what we want?

I seriously can not find sources for any of that

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=United+States+money+only+goes+to+people+who+do+what+they+want&btnG=Search

I searched for it but I cant find it

Would you help me?



Yes, I said all the information you could ever want would be compressed into some magical online internet site.

That is exactly what I said. Yup....

Sure, they might have been. But then Islam and the Arabs came along, and sold them into slavery in the West.

If I offer you a life vest, and tell you to wear it when you're out in your boat, and you go out in your boat, and fall overboard, don't criticize me if I fail to show up in time to do anything except retrieve your bloated corpse from the water. Especially if you've told me that wearing a life vest is against your religion.


yes, the Arabs crushed them. They fell, just like every other empire.

But what the hell are talking about life vests for?

I do not see the connection.

What advice that they could have followed did they not?

So, they only farm that way because they want to? Really, I had no Idea.


Your right.



Ok, say I am an Ethiopian farmer. I would like to modernize my agricultural methods, get all the best tractors, dig massive irrigation systems, get a crop duster to do my fields.

How do I do it?




How do I do it? Please, do tell. You could single handedly modernize the agriculture for most of the world, share your secret.

The United States only gives aid to people who do as it says, and to fund programs that it wants.

Tell me how the Peace Corp fits into your little description? Or the Billions USAID has brought to the table for AIDS research/treatment? Or the resources and millions of dollars for the civil war that has been going on for years and years in Liberia? Those people arent "doing what we say." And as far as to "fund programs that it wants".....well what country doesnt do that?

How do I do it? Please, do tell. You could single handedly modernize the agriculture for most of the world, share your secret.
are you talking to yourself or a mis quote?

yes, the Arabs crushed them. They fell, just like every other empire.

But what the hell are talking about life vests for?

I do not see the connection.

What advice that they could have followed did they not?

There were plenty of people remaining. At the same cultural level as the Japanese, to borrow your historical reference. Who could have done exactly what the Japanese did. But they failed to do so, even after they won their independence.

Instead, the last fifty years of African independence is a sewer of unimaginable corruption and human depravity, on a scale equalled only by compressing Europe's last 200 years into a mere 50. And they still have not advanced the majority of their population one whit. They are still victims of nature on a grand scale - when a lot of that victimization could be prevented.

I gave up on any hope for Africa when I heard Mbeki say that AIDS was not caused by the AIDS virus at all, but by Western complicity in their poverty.

Life sucks losers dry.

Yes, I said all the information you could ever want would be compressed into some magical online internet site.

That is exactly what I said. Yup....
Nope but trying to find a source ... any source that leads me to think that like I said 100%

maybe some good old statistics ... do you have any of thoes?

Yes, I'm sure it costs us Canadians not a dime to take ALL of the planes from your skies on 9/11 and house and feed your people for days after. I guess a big fat nothing is what we did. I mean we didn't even know if there were more terrorists on some of those planes. Hell, the USA wasn't even willing to chance it in their own airspace, but what did Canada do? We said, we are not afraid, send them here, we got your back! Yes, I'm sure that's a big fat $0!

Whatever,

Canada is one of our states, we just don't want to make it official because of the high numbers of French speakers there!

I going to leave now, but I will get back to you.

Had fun talking to all of you, I will be back soon enough.

See you guys around.

Until America actually starts giving as much aid as it says it will then some of the comments here will be valid.

The fact is, the UK is giving nearly three times as much aid as yourselves at the moment.

Yeah, but how much cash have we dumped in the rest of the world, never to get it back? How much $$ went into rebuilding the UK, France, Germany, Japan and others? Why is it our responsibility? Why are we the ones who have to fund the UN, bail out impoverished nations, and babysit former European colonial wasteheaps?

How much money would the US have if we didn't give away millions every year in foriegn aid?

The US is putting up $35 million?

When hurricanes destroyed Florida, how much money did the EU give? How about for the 9/11 attacks? Or that mining accident in WV? I can estimate the amount to be $0!

I feel bad for those people, but seriously, why is it always the US tax money that goes for cleaning up the rest of the planet instead of fixing our own crappy roads, crappy public educational system and uber-crappy health care system?

If a rich man loses his home, no one will donate money to help him rebuild it, he has the money.

If a poor man loses his home, people will donate money to help him, he doesn't have the money.

The United States would have silently rejected the aid. They do not need it and it would be a huge hit to there prestige.

They would rather not have it than look like they needed it. Besides, Europe needs it's money much more than the states.

Yes, because reaching 100% debt with more then asia giving you money would be quite hard if europ started it too.

Yeah, but how much cash have we dumped in the rest of the world, never to get it back? How much $$ went into rebuilding the UK, France, Germany, Japan and others? Why is it our responsibility? Why are we the ones who have to fund the UN, bail out impoverished nations, and babysit former European colonial wasteheaps?

How much money would the US have if we didn't give away millions every year in foriegn aid?

How much would you have lost if all these countries were not exporting to you, and importing form you? PS: If you're refering to post WW2 rebuilding, how much money would you have lost if you entered from the start and were bombed like they were?

This thread is lame. Arguing who is donating most.


I agree it was a great tradgedy and all you people can do is argue about who is giving the most money and still saying why America is bad. Cant you people lay off for just one day?

Whatever,

Canada is one of our states, we just don't want to make it official because of the high numbers of French speakers there!
Way to not be grateful for the help they were
Jerk

I agree it was a great tradgedy and all you people can do is argue about who is giving the most money and still saying why America is bad. Cant you people lay off for just one day?

It was a great tragedy for humanity, but the thread was started for pro/anti US flamings and postings.

This thread reminds me of the bible story with all the rich people giving money to the poor showing off how generous they were, all trying to look the best, and the woman inconspicuously giving her last bit of money and Jesus saying that out of all of them, she had given the most.

Well not to be mean and it is actually a comment but if Canada got attack we would first have to stop laughing because it would be unbelievable and then we would help. I am not sure if you notice but the U.S. usally forgets a lot of it debt to countries. Plus Canada got how many planes? I doubt not very many.

224 Planes (http://www.mipt.org/pdf/ia02-001_CanadaLL.pdf) (See page 11). Considering most were transatlantic flights and therefore larger aircraft with significant numbers of passengers, I'd say it qualifies as "many".

whiners shut up about the U.S. help shut the up and give something? Huh!!!

Now I will be the first to say Bush is asshole and I also will be the first to say republicans are dips hits. But when you people start critzing the United States of America about what it does with aid to people it boils my blood. Until any country can match our money in aid has no right to criticize the USA. If I am correct not even the EU can match the United States amount.

P.S. I admit the U.S. was slow but if you have notice we have donated the most money

*Sanlos Astoria appluads Great Angostica*

Utter stupidity seems to be rampant in this thread.

Really there is proof that 100% of our money goes only to people who do what we want?

Look, he's given you a lot of examples and all you can respond with is 'Oh no, your argument is so pathetic you had to give examples - I know mine is right so I don't even need to look - ha ha!'. If I have 10 examples that all lean toward telling me that the US spends money only where it's in it's best interests, and 0 examples showing me otherwise, I'm going to have to agree with it until you get off your ass and cough up an example with it not happening. He's showing 100% right now, and you're just playing the token brick wall.



As for the closed-minded 'anyone leaning left-wing is out to destroy our great country and make us revert back to living in straw huts and starving' guy; get off your high horse. You do not know what's best for anyone but yourself, and you have no right to force that on anyone else. How can you blame the africans for putting two and two together and realizing that they never had a problem with AIDS until western civilization got involved? Oh wait, they should have the technology to study it for sure! Maybe they should be able to cure it too, those dumb africans. Here in the good ol US we don't have those problems - we're so advanced!

How much money every year is spent on AIDS research - and how far along are we in curing it? Eh? Think before you open your mouth.

Did you ever think that maybe there is some merit to the fact that certain more isolated cultures have never seen the diseases we have, never had cancer, etc etc? Of course you didn't. Continue thinking that money we give to those countries is going to the people and not being lining the pockets of the government. In fact, continue thinking anyone who doesn't line the pockets of our politicians has a say in US politics as well.

Way to not be grateful for the help they were
Jerk

What help? They let us land?

I mean really, all the support and money that the US has given the rest of the world for the last fifty years, and all we seem to get in return is 'how we could have done more'. If another country turns and farts in the opposite direction from us, we're supposed to laud them on how they're sooo helpful. Well today, I'm calling bullshit. If that makes me a jerk, then fine. I'm a jerk, but I'm a jerk who's going to tell it like it is.

Utter stupidity seems to be rampant in this thread.



Look, he's given you a lot of examples and all you can respond with is 'Oh no, your argument is so pathetic you had to give examples - I know mine is right so I don't even need to look - ha ha!'. If I have 10 examples that all lean toward telling me that the US spends money only where it's in it's best interests, and 0 examples showing me otherwise, I'm going to have to agree with it until you get off your ass and cough up an example with it not happening. He's showing 100% right now, and you're just playing the token brick wall.



As for the closed-minded 'anyone leaning left-wing is out to destroy our great country and make us revert back to living in straw huts and starving' guy; get off your high horse. You do not know what's best for anyone but yourself, and you have no right to force that on anyone else. How can you blame the africans for putting two and two together and realizing that they never had a problem with AIDS until western civilization got involved? Oh wait, they should have the technology to study it for sure! Maybe they should be able to cure it too, those dumb africans. Here in the good ol US we don't have those problems - we're so advanced!

How much money every year is spent on AIDS research - and how far along are we in curing it? Eh? Think before you open your mouth.

Did you ever think that maybe there is some merit to the fact that certain more isolated cultures have never seen the diseases we have, never had cancer, etc etc? Of course you didn't. Continue thinking that money we give to those countries is going to the people and not being lining the pockets of the government. In fact, continue thinking anyone who doesn't line the pockets of our politicians has a say in US politics as well.


ahh ....the first post. Welcome to NS. I'll check back when youre on post #100.

Well not to be mean and it is actually a comment but if Canada got attack we would first have to stop laughing because it would be unbelievable and then we would help. I am not sure if you notice but the U.S. usally forgets a lot of it debt to countries. Plus Canada got how many planes? I doubt not very many.

Canada took them all! We had to also do a fine balancing act to have them land in airports that were not close to our large cities because no one knew if terrorists were still on board of some of them. They left American airspace and came to Canada, any plane coming from Europe to the USA landed in Canada. Any plane that planned to land in the USA came to Canada. You do the math, that's a hell of a lot of planes. I recall hearing at the time in one of our smaller airports alone we had taken in over 200 planes. That was just ONE airport. We took planes from one side of Canada to the other.

Lets not even talk about the thousands of firefighters that left Canada and headed for New York and where ever they were needed. And we didn't need to be asked. We just did it.

I agree with one thing, it's not likely Canada would be attacked, as we don't go around the globe causing trouble and trying to impose our will on the rest of the world.

On and BTW, you're welcome!

So you make such an effort to bring to our attention how much Canada helped the US, but the efforts of the US , to other countries,is being minimized and isnt good enough . Hmmm...

Utter stupidity seems to be rampant in this thread.



Look, he's given you a lot of examples and all you can respond with is 'Oh no, your argument is so pathetic you had to give examples - I know mine is right so I don't even need to look - ha ha!'. If I have 10 examples that all lean toward telling me that the US spends money only where it's in it's best interests, and 0 examples showing me otherwise, I'm going to have to agree with it until you get off your ass and cough up an example with it not happening. He's showing 100% right now, and you're just playing the token brick wall.


http://www3.sympatico.ca/truegrowth/gates1.html

Bill gates … American citizen … (he did not specify governmental spending)
Donates … but it is a private organization … (and other people besides gates donate)
So we have a charity … with money coming from America as a whole (gates just the biggest doner) but America does not decide what decisions it makes
There
1 example


2nd example

Federal

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/4617.htm

Unicef … UNICEF also does not “only” do what “we” want

Do I need more or would you like me to keep going?

Pfft lots of examples right did you read? (unless he made an example beyond that Iraq one that I did not see)

Way to not be grateful for the help they were
Jerk

Don't worry, we (Canadians) know that most Americans don't think like him. And we'd do it again if needed. :)

Don't worry, we (Canadians) know that most Americans don't think like him. And we'd do it again if needed. :)
Good ... and you know you are welcome in an emergency to land on our famly's land ... fine by me ... and I will feed as much of you as I can too!

So you make such an effort to bring to our attention how much Canada helped the US, but the efforts of the US , to other countries,is being minimized and isnt good enough . Hmmm...

Read the thread, it wasn't me who brought the subject up, it was him. Besides, Canada is one of the few countries that can point these things out, as the USA has never done any thing to help us. We've never needed their help. The only thing the USA has ever done for us was try to steal our country in 1812. Thanks!

I'd also like to say that many private Canadian charities chipped in both for 9-11 and for the hurricanes in Florida. The Canadian Red Cross was there both times, RBC financial bank gave 5,000$ in florida to help rebuild. And these are those I can find 6 months later with a quick search. We did send help and we didn't ask for the US to say loudly thanks.

We did the right thing. Now, six month later, when someone goes on how they never got that help and they shouldn't feel bad about not donating, it pisses me off.

Get off your high horses and start thinking about what you can do instead of trying to defend what you did or didn't so. There will be plenty of time to do it later.

So you make such an effort to bring to our attention how much Canada helped the US, but the efforts of the US , to other countries,is being minimized and isnt good enough . Hmmm...

Thank you!!

I'd also like to say that many private Canadian charities chipped in both for 9-11 and for the hurricanes in Florida. The Canadian Red Cross was there both times, RBC financial bank gave 5,000$ in florida to help rebuild. And these are those I can find 6 months later with a quick search. We did send help and we didn't ask for the US to say loudly thanks.

We did the right thing. Now, six month later, when someone goes on how they never got that help and they shouldn't feel bad about not donating, it pisses me off.

Get off your high horses and start thinking about what you can do instead of trying to defend what you did or didn't so. There will be plenty of time to do it later.

Yeah, I'm sorry.. you couldn't be more right. It just ticks me off to no living end when some believe that no one has ever done any thing for them, only they have the market cornered on aid and giving a helping hand. But you're more than correct. We should put all this effort into thinking of some thing each and every one of us can do to help in this situation we face now.

Yeah, I'm sorry.. you couldn't be more right. It just ticks me off to no living end when some believe that no one has ever done any thing for them, only they have the market cornered on aid and giving a helping hand. But you're more than correct. We should put all this effort into thinking of some thing each and every one of us can do to help in this situation we face now.
While it wasn't specifically targeted at you, they'll take all the help they can get.

So thank you.

Read the thread, it wasn't me who brought the subject up, it was him. Besides, Canada is one of the few countries that can point these things out, as the USA has never done any thing to help us. We've never needed their help. The only thing the USA has ever done for us was try to steal our country in 1812. Thanks!

Calm down.....but my statement makes sense no? Now you see how upset you get when you read a post or 2 with something about Canada that just doesnt sit right with you? Well imagine if it was every third post in every other thread. Someone saying how awful, fat, greedy, stupid, blind, hypocritical Canadians are. Bet youd be tired of it too. Thats what the members of this group who are actually from the USA have to put up with everyday.So give us a little lattitude.
I wasnt aware we tried stealing your country either. :confused:

I have NOTHING against Canada btw and would love to visit there. I am moving to Oregon next year and will be close enough to Canada then so that I can visit.

I have NOTHING against Canada btw and would love to visit there. I am moving to Oregon next year and will be close enough to Canada then so that I can visit.

No harm kid, people just tend to get emotional when their country gets bashed when they haven't done any thing in this world but good. One would be hard pressed to find many black marks on Canada in the last century. Not all countries can claim that. But yeah, it's totally not worth arguing or fighting over.

Calm down.....but my statement makes sense no? Now you see how upset you get when you read a post or 2 with something about Canada that just doesnt sit right with you? Well imagine if it was every third post in every other thread. Someone saying how awful, fat, greedy, stupid, blind, hypocritical Canadians are. Bet youd be tired of it too. Thats what the members of this group who are actually from the USA have to put up with everyday.So give us a little lattitude.
I wasnt aware we tried stealing your country either. :confused:

Ah but we Canadian are rather pro-active in this department. As soon as we see someone trash talking our country, we swarm the thread and point out he was mistaking. We don't let things degenerate... :)

Although, with the US, you would need to be quick in your posts. ;)
Also it would help if you had a better foreign policy and not Bush as your leader. But look at it as a challenge... :p

Well anyway the world bank has donated 250 million. So no one country is on top.

Thats what my first post was about this morning actually. I avoid certain threads because I dont care to get into fights with others. But today I had to stand up because I was sick of seeing tacky rude comments about Americans. We get bashed all the time. I cant wait til Bushes term is over! But I dont like being ridiculed just because someone doesnt like my government or leader. Not much I can do about it. Ask Canuck- they saw me go off today-lol. And I never do that. Canuck is a pretty nice person I think btw.


Now- where are some cool places to visit in Canada?

Thats what my first post was about this morning actually. I avoid certain threads because I dont care to get into fights with others. But today I had to stand up because I was sick of seeing tacky rude comments about Americans. We get bashed all the time. I cant wait til Bushes term is over! But I dont like being ridiculed just because someone doesnt like my government or leader. Not much I can do about it. Ask Canuck- they saw me go off today-lol. And I never do that. Canuck is a pretty nice person I think btw.


Now- where are some cool places to visit in Canada?
Personaly I loved the drive over the rockies on my way up north to alaska

Personaly I loved the drive over the rockies on my way up north to alaska
Alaska?? Wow I bet that was beautiful. Hope you have pics to show me

Alaska?? Wow I bet that was beautiful. Hope you have pics to show me
Have to scan them in if I can get my scaner working ... before I went digital.
Let me just say ... it is worth the drive ... breathtaking (though I liked the US rockies too)