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Hi! My name is Michael and I am just an average American Guy. I am a White Nationalist. I am not a White Supremacist. A Supremacist to me means someone the wants to get rid of other races by force. I do not want to get rid of other races.

I am not a Nazi, because I am not a socialist. I do not own any Nazi things.

I am the guy at the store when the cashier gives back too much change, I notice it and give it back. I am the guy that holds the door open for you at the store. I am the guy that sees a child fall, I am there to pick them up.

I believe everyone of every race has the right to life. But I believe the world would be a better place if the Races where separate.

I might be your boss, co-worker or your childs teacher. I could be any body. But as most of you know my opinions could get me fired, locked up, cause trouble in my community. I might be the one who shakes your hand and pats you on the back and tells you "Good Job". But ask me and I will tell you my views and my feelings.

I Love America. I do not break the Law. But I know that America is quickly becoming a Cess Pool and it is headed down hill and I see where the problems are.

If you consider me a racist, that's fine. Because a racist has a different meaning to me and it's not all that bad. I am just proud of who I am. We believe in the 14 words, "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." Any and every race should feel the same about their own.

You might say we Hate. I personally do not Hate. If I saw a Black child crying somewhere that had got separated from their parents, I would stay there and help that child until we found its parents.

So the next time you call some of us supremacists, Nazis, racists and that we hate. Just remember that we are just average people who smile at you on the street, lets you out into a busy intersection, when you drop something when your hands are full, we are the ones that pick it up for you.

We just have a different opinion than your own. If you want to label us because of that, it's fine.

So when you go out today (shopping, work, movies, church etc.) and you meet someone that is nice, ask yourself, is s/he one of those White Nationalists. Chances are that might not be, but chances are that just might be me.

This is my opinion and does not apply to everyone.

Thanks and Have a Nice Day!

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i dont hate no black folks, i just think white folks should hang around with black folks and if they do we should lynch em, opps did i say lynch, i meant kiss, yeah kiss..

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Fair enough, but I've just never understood your reasons for racial segregation.

PS. Would you mind making up your mind as to wether you're a White Nationalist or White Supremacist. You refered to yourself as both in the post and the you seem to think there is a big difference between the two.

Fair enough, but I've just never understood your reasons for racial segregation.

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I am a White Nationalist. I am not a White Supremacist. A Supremacist to me means someone the wants to get rid of other races by force. I do not want to get rid of other races.

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yes you do, you want to seperate races, ie remove races from wherever they are.

the nazis declared the extermination of the jews was for the good of germany and the KKK declared the destruction of blacks was for the preservation of the white race.

I understand the difference between the two.
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But in American society it is considered unnecessary to be proud of your whiteness. The larger American opinion is; that it is better to bolster minorities in celebrating their individualities. A cause that encourages the white race to segregate from minorities could be considered the same reasoning behind racism.

Why doesn't this mean the same for minorities?

Because the group with the fewest members have no power to racially discriminate the others.

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Hi! My name is Michael ... -Snip- .... Have a Nice Day!

Ladies and Gentlemen, the new and improved concealed racism.

When you [Jewish/Asian/Black person etc] thought it was safe to go outside, the racism of the new millennium!

Hide your views behind 'friendly' traits, express your views with your local KKK group in your basement once a week, and then suddenly jump out of no-where to shock everyone with your 'new' views.

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First of all Michael, people in general have a tendency to oversimplify and generalize, so that people they hate thend to be demonized into the lowest denominator they can think of. It's a sad fact of all human nature.

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children."

I have a simple question for you to consider carefully. "Why?" I too am also an average American guy, born in the United States, almost half Irish, and almost half Scots, with a few other eastern european bloodlines thrown in for spice ... so technically I am "white" but I personally don't see the dire need to maintain a future for a specific genetic bloodline.

Sometimes we also tend to confuse a genetic line with a culture, because both are subject to isloationism over the centuries. It's a bad thing for any culture to die out, and we should be preserving cultures as much as we preserve various species; protecting endangered cultures. Yet at the same time, there are good and bad things in all cultures, and life is too short to experience only one of them. I love both a good Indian curry and a good Japanize sushi. I'm also known as the "Tabouli" guy because I love to make this Middle Eastern dish for pot lock affairs (being cold, yet not needing refrigeration).

It is, of course, always good to be nice. The world rarely recognizes nice people these days, but I would argue that is a good thing. As a Secular Franciscan, I am reminded of St. Francis' idea of "true joy," when you do works of kindness and are not only not rewarded by the people but treated as something lower than dirt, then your reward is compounded with your perseverence in heaven!

(Personally I'm more worried about the reports that predict that the male genetic line will disappear in a million years than I am about the "white" European bloodline. It's the people in Europe who are to blame if they become a minority in their own land. In the United States, both of my Grandfathers were immigrants. We are a nation of immigrants, all of whom were despised when they entered this great land.)

In a world where different races have different values, they should not be required to relinquish all of them to the gods of multi-culturalism and political correctness.

One should be allowed to be proud of being white as much as many are proud of being black or asian.

I personally am not really bothered what creed or colour I am, but what does annoy me greatly, is the trend of positive discrimination that has taken root in western societies over the last several decades.

It is wrong to rule in someone's favour because they're black just as it's wrong to rule in someone's favour because they're white.

Equality through equality! Not through Positive Discrmination!

What's wrong with diversity?

Now I hate to pry into your private life, but have you ever eaten a non-anglo-saxon meal? Do you listen to any music besides classical (rock came from the blues, which came from them black folk, y'know)? Just two examples of something diversity has done for us and modern western society.

I simply don't understand what your problem with multi-culturalism is. Please enlighten me.

I know that I will be out numbered here and I will try to reply to all or most. I have a job that I have to go to and I plan on coming back to reply.

The whole idea seems founded on fear... The fear that white cultures are disapearing from the Earth. I dispute that. I don't think any of the white cultures are dispearing from the Earth, changing maybe. But all Cultures change.

But it also seems to say that if you are white then you are of white culture and can be of no other, and vice versa.

And that white nationalists are proud of their grand parents culture and want to keep it in place...

Just white nationalism seems to impose its views on others. That I HAVE to be proud of my white culture and heritage. It just seems like a reactionary view to Politcal correctness, which incidentally I think is pretty crap too.

PS. I personally and proud of my heritage and disgusted at other parts of it. But then I also admire the hertiage of other people and be disdainful of other parts. And finally I'm proud of who I am, but who I am is not the same as other people living now, nor the same as who my grandparents were.

I have a simple question for you to consider carefully. "Why?" I too am also an average American guy, born in the United States, almost half Irish, and almost half Scots, with a few other eastern european bloodlines thrown in for spice ... so technically I am "white" but I personally don't see the dire need to maintain a future for a specific genetic bloodline.

Back in the 70's the World's White population consisted of 30%. Today it is less than 8%.

Even if Geminius is not a racist
the problem is to acheive an american white nation
an all out white supremacist racist natzy like government
would have to come to power.

yes you do, you want to seperate races, ie remove races from wherever they are.

the nazis declared the extermination of the jews was for the good of germany and the KKK declared the destruction of blacks was for the preservation of the white race.
Please be enlightened on the terms extermination, destruction and separatism.

Thats really scary.

I understand the difference between the two, but in American society it is considered unnecessary to be proud of your whiteness. The larger American opinion is; that it is better to bolster minorities in celebrating their individualities. A cause that encourages the white race to segregate from minorities could be considered the same reasoning behind racism.

Why doesn't this mean the same for minorities?

Because the group with the fewest members have no power to racially discriminate the others.

:fluffle:That is a million dollar question. Why?

To be proud to be white is to Hate.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the new and improved concealed racism.

When you [Jewish/Asian/Black person etc] thought it was safe to go outside, the racism of the new millennium!

Hide your views behind 'friendly' traits, express your views with your local KKK group in your basement once a week, and then suddenly jump out of no-where to shock everyone with your 'new' views.

Sign up now and get a free keychain!*

*While stock lasts. They made the N-word almost outlawed. But the R-word is meant to shame whites. It works for many. But I am proud to be called a Racist. It shows that I am White.

What's wrong with diversity?

Now I hate to pry into your private life, but have you ever eaten a non-anglo-saxon meal? Do you listen to any music besides classical (rock came from the blues, which came from them black folk, y'know)? Just two examples of something diversity has done for us and modern western society.

I simply don't understand what your problem with multi-culturalism is. Please enlighten me.

EDIT - ah, I missed that section of your post. But do explain what your problem is.


I'm not sure whether you were talking to me or Geminius, but seen as he's gone to work I'll reply anyway.

I'm not "afraid" of multiculturalism, I live in a nation that is highly multicultural, and I support most of it all the way. My favourite foods are japanese and indian. I listen to Bhangra, Classical, Rock, Metal, Hip Hop, Techno, you name it.

One of the trends that I have seen increasing in Great Britain however is one where as I said positive discrimination has been taken too far.

I'll give you an example of a case where an old couple had a porcelain elephant statue on their windowsill. Well one day an asian family moves in a few doors down and this old couple get a visit from the police asking them to remove the statue because its "offensive to their religion".

Or cases in Peterborough where the local council was given huge budgets in order to allow immigrants to "blend in" more easily. I'm not talking your old english classes here people, I'm talking mobile phones, designer clothes and even 24 inch TV's paid for by the government.

Mult-culturalism is not necessarily a bad thing, but when immigration is as out of control in a country as it is in the UK, then there's no chance for anyone to adjust or catch up.

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It is wrong to rule in someone's favour because they're black just as it's wrong to rule in someone's favour because they're white.


Affirmative Action. With this, someone is always discriminated against.

Equality through equality! Not through Positive Discrmination!What about about the Met (The Police force in and around London).
To be able to serve its populace with fairness and proper justice it has been concluded that the Met must fairly represent the people that it serves. ie. If the 30% of a the population of an area is black, then the police force should be approximately 30% black.

But, it has been observed that, at the current rate of recruitment, the Met will not meet a government deadline to reach a fair representation of the people it serves. So should the Met use positive discrimation to reach its target and then abolish that after it has reached its target? The dilema is, should the Met use equal recruitment criteria to give an equal chance to all those who wish to be police officers, or should it use unequal recruitment criteria to help it serve its area with equality, fairness and justice.

Even if Geminius is not a racist
the problem is to acheive an american white nation
an all out white supremacist racist natzy like government
would have to come to power.

I do not beleive that this is what Geminius is getting at.

I would be more inclined to think that what people want is not a white supremacist government, but a government and a country where white people are not discriminated against in favour of minorities.

Of course minorities should be encouraged and promoted, but not at the expense of the indigenous population.

PS. I personally and proud of my heritage and disgusted at other parts of it. But then I also admire the hertiage of other people and be disdainful of other parts. And finally I'm proud of who I am, but who I am is not the same as other people living now, nor the same as who my grandparents were.Me and you are the same. You are a White Nationalist.

Even if Geminius is not a racist
the problem is to acheive an american white nation
an all out white supremacist racist natzy like government
would have to come to power.
Nazi's are socialists.
Who said anything about America. My views are held world wide.
America has became a cess pool. I have lived all over the world.
They say America is the land of the free is a loose term.

[QUOTE=Geminius]Hi! My name is Michael and I am just an average American Guy. I am a White Nationalist. I am not a White Supremacist. A Supremacist to me means someone the wants to get rid of other races by force. I do not want to get rid of other races.

I am not a Nazi, because I am not a socialist. I do not own any Nazi things.

I am the guy at the store when the cashier gives back too much change, I notice it and give it back. I am the guy that holds the door open for you at the store. I am the guy that sees a child fall, I am there to pick them up.

I believe everyone of every race has the right to life. But I believe the world would be a better place if the Races where separate.

I might be your boss, co-worker or your childs teacher. I could be any body. But as most of you know my opinions could get me fired, locked up, cause trouble in my community. I might be the one who shakes your hand and pats you on the back and tells you "Good Job". But ask me and I will tell you my views and my feelings.

I Love America. I do not break the Law. But I know that America is quickly becoming a Cess Pool and it is headed down hill and I see where the problems are.

If you consider me a racist, that's fine. Because a racist has a different meaning to me and it's not all that bad. I am just proud of who I am. We believe in the 14 words, "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." Any and every race should feel the same about their own.

You might say we Hate. I personally do not Hate. If I saw a Black child crying somewhere that had got separated from their parents, I would stay there and help that child until we found its parents.

So the next time you call some of us supremacists, Nazis, racists and that we hate. Just remember that we are just average people who smile at you on the street, lets you out into a busy intersection, when you drop something when your hands are full, we are the ones that pick it up for you.

We just have a different opinion than your own. If you want to label us because of that, it's fine.

So when you go out today (shopping, work, movies, church etc.) and you meet someone that is nice, ask yourself, is s/he one of those White Nationalists. Chances are that might not be, but chances are that just might be me.

This is my opinion and does not apply to everyone.

Thanks and Have a Nice Day!




So why would it make the world a better place if all races were seperated?
hearing foul things like this make me want to throw up.

I will be MIA for a while.

What about about the Met (The Police force in and around London).
To be able to serve its populace with fairness and proper justice it has been concluded that the Met must fairly represent the people that it serves. ie. If the 30% of a the population of an area is black, then the police force should be approximately 30% black.

But, it has been observed that, at the current rate of recruitment, the Met will not meet a government deadline to reach a fair representation of the people it serves. So should the Met use positive discrimation to reach its target and then abolish that after it has reached its target? The dilema is, should the Met use equal recruitment criteria to give an equal chance to all those who wish to be police officers, or should it use unequal recruitment criteria to help it serve its area with equality, fairness and justice.

I understand what you are getting at, and I'm aware of the problems that have been publicised regarding the met and racism.

However, I see this as attempting to enforce a social trend on the populace. Which is just what the blair government attempts to do at every turn. Regardless of what the government thinks is a fair representation of the populace in the met, it is not right that one man who may be more qualified than another will not receive a job based solely on the colour of his skin. I ask you, if then, if it is ok for the government to advertise a job in the met for coloured officers, why is it illegal for private institutions to advertise jobs for white men?

You cannot allow massive immigration into a nation and then break your own rules in order to force a more equal representation of that new population within an unreasonable timespan. Which is exactly what you just said they're doing by attempting to enforce a deadline on a quota of coloured officers.

Back in the 70's the World's White population consisted of 30%. Today it is less than 8%.
Considering that the population of the world was just under 4 billion in 1970, and is now 6.5 billion. That means the white population was 1.2 billion, and is now 0.5 billion. Also considering that most western nations populations are in decline. And also considering that you probably only counted full white children in your stats and that inter racial marriages have continued. And considering that the most common place for the birth of inter-racial children is probably in western nations where diversity is higher -- I hardly find that a surprising or worrying fact.

But in American society it is considered unnecessary to be proud of your whiteness. The larger American opinion is; that it is better to bolster minorities in celebrating their individualities. A cause that encourages the white race to segregate from minorities could be considered the same reasoning behind racism.

Why doesn't this mean the same for minorities?

Because the group with the fewest members have no power to racially discriminate the others.


That is a million dollar question. Why?

To be proud to be white is to Hate.

I don't know why I thought you
would understand what I wrote,
but I'm still glad I wrote it.

I will be MIA for a while.


that just made me laugh i almost fell out of my chair

Back in the 70's the World's White population consisted of 30%. Today it is less than 8%.
So?

I understand what you are getting at, and I'm aware of the problems that have been publicised regarding the met and racism.

However, I see this as attempting to enforce a social trend on the populace. Which is just what the blair government attempts to do at every turn. Regardless of what the government thinks is a fair representation of the populace in the met, it is not right that one man who may be more qualified than another will not receive a job based solely on the colour of his skin. I ask you, if then, if it is ok for the government to advertise a job in the met for coloured officers, why is it illegal for private institutions to advertise jobs for white men?

You cannot allow massive immigration into a nation and then break your own rules in order to force a more equal representation of that new population within an unreasonable timespan. Which is exactly what you just said they're doing by attempting to enforce a deadline on a quota of coloured officers.I whole heartedly agree with you there. I think the situation is improving as quickly as can be expected. Remembering that most people are relucant about quick change. But then this example is close to home as my local police station was closed down due to corruption and racism.

Not by the color of their skin, but by the quality of their character.

He is just afraid that some ay there will be black people who have major roles in the goverment. p.s that website that you posted was really twisted.

They made the N-word almost outlawed. But the R-word is meant to shame whites. It works for many. But I am proud to be called a Racist. It shows that I am White.
You're proud to be racist? You're proud to discriminate and be prejuduce?

Being called racist should fill you with shame; it's a shameful thing to be.

And how does being racist make you white? There are plenty of coloured people who are racist.

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But why won't you associate with other races than your own? There are good and bad people in every race, and limiting yourself to just one is ignorant.

Back in the 70's the World's White population consisted of 30%. Today it is less than 8%.
do you have a real source? and what kind of ludicrous statement is that?

do you mean european? and if you do, the numbers still went up for the "caucasian" populace of the world, but the asian numbers increased faster. china and india togethers hold 2/3s (well that may not be right, but the hold ~3 billion together i think) of the worlds people. LOGISTICALLY the "white" population of the world had to go down

do you have a real source? and what kind of ludicrous statement is that?

do you mean european? and if you do, the numbers still went up for the "caucasian" populace of the world, but the asian numbers increased faster. china and india togethers hold 2/3s (well that may not be right, but the hold ~3 billion together i think) of the worlds people. LOGISTICALLY the "white" population of the world had to go down
eh, 2.5 billion, you're close enough.

Hi! My name is Michael
This is my opinion and does not apply to everyone.

Thanks and Have a Nice Day!


Sorry - just had to cut out all the crap.

Michael... good idea. Let's try it at once.

Okay... well, the American Indians were already here at least 9,000 years before 'white folks' landed... and there are polynesian remains not that much later...

So, where are you lovely, friendly, eager-beaver 'white happyists' (sorry, couldn't remember what subtle euphemism you thought up) going to go?

The US is already taken.

And, to be honest, nowhere else WANTS you.

Sorry - just had to cut out all the crap.

Michael... good idea. Let's try it at once.

Okay... well, the American Indians were already here at least 9,000 years before 'white folks' landed... and there are polynesian remains not that much later...

So, where are you lovely, friendly, eager-beaver 'white happyists' (sorry, couldn't remember what subtle euphemism you thought up) going to go?

The US is already taken.

And, to be honest, nowhere else WANTS you.

In case you hadn't noticed, we're having a discussion on current issues.

We're very well aware that people in the past were racist white supremacists. We're not talking about them though, we're talking about us, here and now.

In case you hadn't noticed, we're having a discussion on current issues.

We're very well aware that people in the past were racist white supremacists. We're not talking about them though, we're talking about us, here and now.


In case you hadnt noticed, racists and white supremacists exist here and now. Not just in the past ...

In case you hadnt noticed, racists and white supremacists exist here and now. Not just in the past ...

Yes but unlike then, racism is not the modus operandi of the day.

ie. Nobody should be blamed or punished TODAY for what someone did 200 years ago.

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gack. bah. *spits like something really bad tasting just got in mouth*. yech.

To begin Michael, I must appalud you for your politness in the issue. However in no way can I agree with, or even remotely condone such an ideal.

Mainly because I am white, and to support such an idea would essentially segregate me from my non-white fiance.
Now, this is the only woman whom I have been so attracted to, or been able to hold such a meaningful relationship with before. And I would not trade it for anything.
Your ideas wish to force my seperation from the woman I love, this is unaccectable. I have already had to deal with racism of all degrees, and all of them have ended bad.
I want you to understand one thing, there is no difference between a black and white person, or asian, arab, persian, latin, hispanic, or native. The only difference is that which you will apply, a visible difference.

I am very proud of both my heratige, as well as my Fiance's, and if we have children later in life, I will be very proud of my childs heratige, as I'm sure my child will be.

A person like you however, would seek to seperate my fiance and I, and destroy any children we may have. Again, this is unaccecptable.
I want you to learn one thing, you are not only affecting yourself and these "races", you are hurting people. Real people, who are just as legitimate as you or anyone else.
I can assure you that if any such law or regulation, or government act came up for discussion, I would do anything in my power, short of nothing, to stop it.

In case you hadn't noticed, we're having a discussion on current issues.

We're very well aware that people in the past were racist white supremacists. We're not talking about them though, we're talking about us, here and now.

That's a very eloquent response. Well done, I commend you.

Now - how does that negate what I said?

One of the "US" here started a thread about white supremacism (you may have noticed it, you ARE posting in it).

The general concept seems to be that certain people feel that certain other people should go somewhere.

Fine... let's follow that logic.

If our 'not-a-nazi' friend wants to separate the races, where does he want his particular 'clique' to end up?

He seems to think his claim is staked on the US... and yet, he has no 'legitimate' claim.

So - please, explain WHAT your post had to do with mine, or, in fact - what it had to do with the topic as originated?

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I honestly don't believe in spearating people based on "race" (heck I believe that the concept of race is only a cultural one; ethnicity is lots more accurate a term). Allowing ethnicities to intermarry and have kids will expand the human gene pool significantly.

Yes but unlike then, racism is not the modus operandi of the day.

ie. Nobody should be blamed or punished TODAY for what someone did 200 years ago.

And that has to do with.... what?

You seem to be saying that racism is okay now, because .... I don't know... nobody did bad stuff a long time ago?

And that has to do with.... what?

You seem to be saying that racism is okay now, because .... I don't know... nobody did bad stuff a long time ago?
no, what is being said is that people now who aren't racist should not be punished for their ancestors who were.

And that has to do with.... what?
He means that people should not be subject to racist comments due to one group's acts done by their ancestors (IE: "persecute Jews 'coz they killed Christ"; while that is a logical fallacy 'coz the Romans were involved, I'm just using an example)

That's a very eloquent response. Well done, I commend you.

Now - how does that negate what I said?

One of the "US" here started a thread about white supremacism (you may have noticed it, you ARE posting in it).

The general concept seems to be that certain people feel that certain other people should go somewhere.

Fine... let's follow that logic.

If our 'not-a-nazi' friend wants to separate the races, where does he want his particular 'clique' to end up?

He seems to think his claim is staked on the US... and yet, he has no 'legitimate' claim.

So - please, explain WHAT your post had to do with mine, or, in fact - what it had to do with the topic as originated?


I'm sorry, I thought you were alluding to the idea that other races had fair complaint due to wrongs committed in the past.

I re-read your post a few times after your above response, and I'm sorry, I don't know where I got that from.

Eitherway, I don't see the argument as much that races should be "separated" whatever that means exactly, can we get an explanation of exactly what the original poster meant when mentioning this? I see it as more the idea that white heritage and tradditions have as much right to be upheld as any other races. The extension of this being that no races beleifs or tradditions should be promoted over ANY others in the interests of "racial and cultural diversity".

And that has to do with.... what?

You seem to be saying that racism is okay now, because .... I don't know... nobody did bad stuff a long time ago?


Again, see my above post.

I'm not condoning racism, I'm trying to do exactly the opposite. That includes not condoning positive discrimination or affirmative action.

I'm sorry, I thought you were alluding to the idea that other races had fair complaint due to wrongs committed in the past.

I re-read your post a few times after your above response, and I'm sorry, I don't know where I got that from.

Eitherway, I don't see the argument as much that races should be "separated" whatever that means exactly, can we get an explanation of exactly what the original poster meant when mentioning this? I see it as more the idea that white heritage and tradditions have as much right to be upheld as any other races. The extension of this being that no races beleifs or tradditions should be promoted over ANY others in the interests of "racial and cultural diversity".

I don't really hold with the 'cultural debt' theory... I'm of the opinion that when you are dead, you are dead... and all your 'issues' should die with you.

I'm not sure quite waht the original poster was getting at, either... he seems to be suggesting that there should be some enforced seperation (although he is vague on what that MEANS)... and I can't imagine his mentality HAPPILY dwelling alongside other races... so I assume he WANTS ethnic separation.

I hold out a hand to him... okay - if we try his idea, if we try to separate up the 'races'... where exactly did he think that would leave him?

But, I guess he has done his trolling, and set out for greener pastures...

We're taught that after the war, the Nazis vanished,
But battalions of fascists still dream of a master race.
The history books, they tell of their defeat in 45,
But they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died.
They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat,
Whilst Hess remained imprisoned and the fascists, they were beat.
So the promise of an Aryan world would never materialize,
So why did they come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died?
The world is riddled with maggots. The maggots were getting fat.
They're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureaucrats.
They're taking over the boardrooms and they're fat and full of pride,
And they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died.
So if you meet with these historians, I'll tell you what to say:
Tell them that the Nazis never really went away.
They're out there burning houses down and peddling racist lies,
And we'll never rest again... ...Until every Nazi dies!

Chumpawumba, "The Day the Nazi Died"

why are you quoting chumbawumba?

why are you quoting chumbawumba?

They're an anarchist band, but they made a cool anti-Nazi song.

They're an anarchist band, but they made a cool anti-Nazi song.
well, I'm all for anti-nazism...but chumbawumba?

Hi Michael,
You are correct in stating that your opinion may be racist. It is, however, it is one of the most mild forms I've ever heard. I don't know if you are Christian or not, though for some reason most racists claim to be. If you are, you are kin, brother or sister to other Christian, regardless of socio-economic background, race or gender.

Personally, I find multiculturalism simply a function of the human weakness known as pride. We should be focused on creating a world/environment where we can all get along in the most functional, loving, enjoyable manner possible. Adopting the positive traits of culturals that are foreign to us and letting go of the non-beneficial ones from our own culture. Obviousely, that would take many generations. In the mean time it is important to be tolerant of those different than us, which you seem to be, but not with the goal of seperation.

Humanity is and will become stronger when each individual, race, culture etc. cling to that which is good and let go of that which is not.

If white nationalists were to choose who would live in "white" countries, how "white" would one have to be to be let in to such a society? Would a person who was one quarter iraqi get in?

He is just afraid that some ay there will be black people who have major roles in the goverment. p.s that website that you posted was really twisted.
The more successful Black people get, the lighter their skin becomes.

You're proud to be racist? You're proud to discriminate and be prejuduce?

Being called racist should fill you with shame; it's a shameful thing to be.

And how does being racist make you white? There are plenty of coloured people who are racist.
That is the way Brainwashed people think. Calling people Racist does not have the same meaning anymore. There is no shame in it. People wake up to that fact everyday.

But why won't you associate with other races than your own? There are good and bad people in every race, and limiting yourself to just one is ignorant.
Sure, there is good and bad people of every race.

Some snakes are harmless and some are poisonous. But I chose not to associate with them.

Sorry - just had to cut out all the crap.

Michael... good idea. Let's try it at once.

Okay... well, the American Indians were already here at least 9,000 years before 'white folks' landed... and there are polynesian remains not that much later...

So, where are you lovely, friendly, eager-beaver 'white happyists' (sorry, couldn't remember what subtle euphemism you thought up) going to go?

The US is already taken.

And, to be honest, nowhere else WANTS you. I believe in advancement of society. Whites have always advanced every society that they have been associated with. So if you want to be living in the stone age still, keep thinking that.

To begin Michael, I must appalud you for your politness in the issue. However in no way can I agree with, or even remotely condone such an ideal.

I respect everyones opinion and I am not always right. But I do know what I believe.

There is always 3 sides to every story. Your side, their side and the truth.

Wow - up to there your post was coherent; just the mention of Stormfront kinda ticks me off
That shows that you are human. Some things tick me off also.

Freedom of speech is great. But it's changing.

This guy must not realize that there is no biological difference between the races other than pigment density and various other external features brought on by geographical separation.

Our species has grown to its dominant place on this planet through peaceful congregation and the pooling of resources. Someday we will grow unhindered when people like Michael die out.

We're taught that after the war, the Nazis vanished,
But battalions of fascists still dream of a master race.
The history books, they tell of their defeat in 45,
But they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died.
They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat,
Whilst Hess remained imprisoned and the fascists, they were beat.
So the promise of an Aryan world would never materialize,
So why did they come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died?
The world is riddled with maggots. The maggots were getting fat.
They're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureaucrats.
They're taking over the boardrooms and they're fat and full of pride,
And they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died.
So if you meet with these historians, I'll tell you what to say:
Tell them that the Nazis never really went away.
They're out there burning houses down and peddling racist lies,
And we'll never rest again... ...Until every Nazi dies!

Chumpawumba, "The Day the Nazi Died"
Funny how you mention the master race. That is not what White nationalism is about. We know that some race are better at some things than others. Whites are not perfect. Blacks run faster and Asians are better in school just to name two. Update yourself and quit living in the past.

History is taught in school as one sided. You probably believe most stuff you hear about Michael King (aka MLK) also.

I will not argue for or against Nazi's. Just like me they are entitled to their own opinion.

Hi Michael,
You are correct in stating that your opinion may be racist. It is, however, it is one of the most mild forms I've ever heard. I don't know if you are Christian or not, though for some reason most racists claim to be. If you are, you are kin, brother or sister to other Christian, regardless of socio-economic background, race or gender.

Personally, I find multiculturalism simply a function of the human weakness known as pride. We should be focused on creating a world/environment where we can all get along in the most functional, loving, enjoyable manner possible. Adopting the positive traits of culturals that are foreign to us and letting go of the non-beneficial ones from our own culture. Obviousely, that would take many generations. In the mean time it is important to be tolerant of those different than us, which you seem to be, but not with the goal of seperation.

Humanity is and will become stronger when each individual, race, culture etc. cling to that which is good and let go of that which is not.I will not discuss religon on this forum. But I do believe if you Believe in Jesus you will go to Heaven. Regardless of race.

I think Santa just gave us a new Defensor!

This guy must not realize that there is no biological difference between the races other than pigment density and various other external features brought on by geographical separation.

Our species has grown to its dominant place on this planet through peaceful congregation and the pooling of resources. Someday we will grow unhindered when people like Michael die out.
The Muslims and Communists call it the browning of the world.

Which are you?

yes you do, you want to seperate races, ie remove races from wherever they are.

the nazis declared the extermination of the jews was for the good of germany and the KKK declared the destruction of blacks was for the preservation of the white race.

Where did the Nazi's declare this? I want a source please, and given the circumstance I would prefer it to be something put out by the Nazi's themselves on not someone elses opinion of what they may have thought.

Where did the KKK declare this? I want a source please, read above, I want it to be from a Klansman, or Klanswoman.

Seperating races and removing races are not the same thing.

In fact White Nationalists would glady relocate to a viable area if we were allowed to live "OUR" way and not be constantly hassled by folk who believe that we are evil or backwards or whatever. We don't want to displace others, but we want the ability to stop forced integration into our communities.

This guy must not realize that there is no biological difference between the races other than pigment density
I can think of many. Such as Diease is greater among blacks(STD's and AID's). Blacks commit 52% of all violent crime but only make up 12.3% of the U.S. population. IQ test scores are lower among Blacks.

I could be the energizer bunny here but I won't.

I can think of many. Such as (1)Diease is greater among blacks(STD's and AID's). (2)Blacks commit 52% of all violent crime but only make up 12.3% of the U.S. population. (3)IQ test scores are lower among Blacks.

I could be the energizer bunny here but I won't.

1) Geographical separation again
2) Crime is an economic problem, not a racial one.
3) Want to cite something?

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When you can not defend your ideas though debate and persuasion, you simply alter your opponents words and mock them. Bravo! Well done, I am in awe of your intellect.

I challenge you to actually process what Michael has written, and then debate him on it's merit. You might learn something, or in the very least, if you are righteous as you think, you may educate him as to why he is wrong.

The Muslims and Communists call it the browning of the world.

Which are you?

Call what browning of the world? What are you talking about?

2) Crime is an economic problem, not a racial one.

How so?

Do you want to blame it on poverty?

Mexicans live in poverty. Their crime rate does not touch that of Blacks.

Call what browning of the world? What are you talking about?
Someday we will grow unhindered when people like Michael die out. The Browning of the world is getting rid of the White race. I am white. You want me to die out. You want to grow unhindered in Diversity and Multi-Culturalism.

Good Night! I have ran out of time. ;)

The Browning of the world is getting rid of the White race. I am white. You want me to die out. You want to grow unhindered in Diversity and Multi-Culturalism.

I want people who divide people based on superficial differences to die out, not white people.

The human race will grow unhindered when it ceases to rely on the differences and begins to concentrate on the similarities.

How so?

Do you want to blame it on poverty?

Mexicans live in poverty. Their crime rate does not touch that of Blacks.

Documentation?

First of all Michael, people in general have a tendency to oversimplify and generalize, so that people they hate thend to be demonized into the lowest denominator they can think of. It's a sad fact of all human nature.



I have a simple question for you to consider carefully. "Why?" I too am also an average American guy, born in the United States, almost half Irish, and almost half Scots, with a few other eastern european bloodlines thrown in for spice ... so technically I am "white" but I personally don't see the dire need to maintain a future for a specific genetic bloodline.

Sometimes we also tend to confuse a genetic line with a culture, because both are subject to isloationism over the centuries. It's a bad thing for any culture to die out, and we should be preserving cultures as much as we preserve various species; protecting endangered cultures. Yet at the same time, there are good and bad things in all cultures, and life is too short to experience only one of them. I love both a good Indian curry and a good Japanize sushi. I'm also known as the "Tabouli" guy because I love to make this Middle Eastern dish for pot lock affairs (being cold, yet not needing refrigeration).

It is, of course, always good to be nice. The world rarely recognizes nice people these days, but I would argue that is a good thing. As a Secular Franciscan, I am reminded of St. Francis' idea of "true joy," when you do works of kindness and are not only not rewarded by the people but treated as something lower than dirt, then your reward is compounded with your perseverence in heaven!

(Personally I'm more worried about the reports that predict that the male genetic line will disappear in a million years than I am about the "white" European bloodline. It's the people in Europe who are to blame if they become a minority in their own land. In the United States, both of my Grandfathers were immigrants. We are a nation of immigrants, all of whom were despised when they entered this great land.)

Within the WN cause, there are many different answers to this question. Personally, I agree with you that Culture is more important then Genetics. However, Race is a factor when people choose to identify with a culture, therefore by removing race from the equation.... The culture is that much more likely to remain.

I also enjoy other cultures, but I want to be able to go home to my own. In America, we have no way of protecting our neighborhoods. For instance, A group of White Nationalists move to one city block and buy up all of the homes. One White Nationalist decides to move and puts his house on the market. A Mexican Immigrant determines that he wants to buy the house and puts a bid up. The White Nationalist decides that because the rest of the block wants to remain in a homogenous culture that he will not sell to this immigrant. Said immigrant runs to the courthouse sues for discrimination and gets a judge to force the sale to go through. How is this wrong to want to keep him out? We worked hard to build a community that we feel comfortable in and suddenly we are forced to throw it all away because 1 person's will is determined to be more valuable then 29. This is stupid. It is not natural. Sorry, but if that Mexican wants, he can get together with all of his kind and buy a block and keep us out. I won't complain one bit.

We really have to give up this idea that there are 'races' biologically it's complete hogwash. So what if people have different colored skin? We're all humans. I'd like to think racist attitudes will dissapear one day, but I'm beggining to doubt it.

And by the way, if you are planning for some sort of "white" future, you don't love America. You are actively working against what America stands for.

You're proud to be racist? You're proud to discriminate and be prejuduce?

Being called racist should fill you with shame; it's a shameful thing to be.

And how does being racist make you white? There are plenty of coloured people who are racist.

Why? Explain please. Because you say so?

Whites have been told to be ashamed for far too long. Our ancestors did what they had to do to survive. Placing 21rst century ethics upon 19th century actions is rediculous. The history of mankind is full of tribal conflict. We just want our tribe to win. Why should we give it all back? So they can slaughter us in Rhodesia and South Africa while the good little liberals can all decree that they deserved it because they stole the land? Do some research, the land did not belong to the current black inhabitants in South Africa, they too are foreign invaders... Just as California never truly belonged to Mexico. It was claimed by Drake for the British, who were not able to hold it due to a lack of numbers, same as the Mexicans...

Being racist is only shameful if you believe that multi-culturalism is the way to go, that the blending of races is fine and that someday we will all end up holding hands and singing kumbaya... Sorry, but I don't buy it. Turn off MTV and go drive down to the ghetto and then tell me that you want that in your neighborhood. I don't.

1) Geographical separation again
2) Crime is an economic problem, not a racial one.
3) Want to cite something?

Please follow your own rule. I want to see sources on statements #1 & #2.

We really have to give up this idea that there are 'races' biologically it's complete hogwash. So what if people have different colored skin? We're all humans. I'd like to think racist attitudes will dissapear one day, but I'm beggining to doubt it.

And by the way, if you are planning for some sort of "white" future, you don't love America. You are actively working against what America stands for.

Hogwash? Can you please tell me why pharms are now being developed base upon race? Hmmm... Maybe because we are DIFFERENT?

I've never understood how you can use Darwin to explain so much, yet completely remove his findings from the discussion of race. We have physical differences beyond the amount of melanin our body produces. These physical differences are a large factor in determining which culture we choose to live our lives identifying with. Can't get around it. The world would be great if we could, then we wouldn't need WN. But back here in reality, we do.

I don't believe that race makes someone better then another, but it plays a huge role, perhaps the biggest, in determining how we choose to interact with our environment. American Blacks for instance overwhelmingly support entitlements. I strongly oppose them. Why should I be forced to participate in a society where I must act against my wishes on a daily basis?

White Nationalists do not want to exterminate other races, we don't want to displace other races, we want to be able to live in communities apart from other races and the laws which tie us to said races. We are the ultimate anti-federalists. We want to be able to practice self-determinism.

It's amazing how many people automatically assume that they know what our cause is about. That's what a public education will do to you. I know, I had one. Fortunately, I had a strong desire to investigate what I was being fed, and frankly the truth liberated me. We have all tried this multi-cultural thing before, in Rome, in Babylon, in Egypt, it never works. It won't this time either.

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Originally Posted by Vittos Ordination
2) Crime is an economic problem, not a racial one.

How so?

Do you want to blame it on poverty?

Mexicans live in poverty. Their crime rate does not touch that of Blacks.


Okay, everyone is whining about sources and everything, so here goes.

problem
n 1: a state of difficulty that needs to be resolved
www.dictionary.com

crime
n 2: Unlawful activity.
www.dictionary.com

I think we can all agree that unlawful activities, aka crimes, are a problem. So when a person breaks the law, they are adding to the problem of crime, right? What on God's green earth does poverty and economics and even race or ethnicity for that matter have ANYTHING TO DO WITH CRIME?!

Crime is a problem because people (you and me) have the sudden urge to break the law intentionally, or do so accidentally.

Sigh....

Anyone care to define "white"?

Hi! My name is Michael and I am just an average American Guy. I am a White Nationalist. I am not a White Supremacist. A Supremacist to me means someone the wants to get rid of other races by force. I do not want to get rid of other races.
You said later on that you want separation of races, which presumably means you don't want people of other races near you. That's still white supremecism.

I am not a Nazi, because I am not a socialist. I do not own any Nazi things.

Since when were the Nazis socialists? They sent the workshy to work camps, they liquidated trade unions, they experimented on persecuted minorities (mainly Jews, but other groups as well) they euthenised the mentally and physically handicapped, they abolished free press and free elections, and they were nationalists, to the point of invading neighbouring nations and enforcing harsh living conditions on the workers there. That's about as unsocialist as they come.

Anyway, on to the main point- exactly how do you define "white"? I consider myself white because I see people around me, the vast majority of which have darker skin than me. I'm of celtic descent, giving me blue eyes, reddy-brown hair and a tendency to burn my very white skin in the sun. This irritates me no end and I have no intention of passing on inferior skin to the next generation by selective breeding.

The point is, once you start to talk about what "white" is, it becomes obvious that there are several types of "white" out there, with all sorts of backgrounds and creeds. Then the segregation of the "white" people begins, and all of a sudden all the people with green eyes find themselves as outcasts because they're no longer "white" enough. Are you "white" enough to live with the rest of the "white" people?

It doesn't take much to realise that there is more that unites us than divides us, and the things that divide tend to be favourite music, rather than skin colour.

I can understand your point of view i guess. You want to be able to be surrounded by people like yourself. That works i guess. A bit of diversity can be good because it opens you up to new ideas, new ways to solve problems that sort of thing. But really, i don't see why we need to view things on the basis of race. Cultures perhaps, but cultures are not defined by color of skin. Place of origin perhaps, but not skin. I am not aware of any legitimate research which identifies set behavioral patterns across a race. There is some correlation, but this is because members of the same race, or what we percieve as a race, tend to live in similar circumstances and have similar cultures. I am not saying there are not races, there are, they aren't exactly defined by skin color alone, but they exist. They just don't play that large a role in behavior. I don't agree with your ideas, i see classifications by race as a largely artificial and counterproductive measure, life is easier if you simply accept that which is around you. I belive in tolerance, i don't belive that every opinion is equal, some are wrong, some are more right, i just don't see where getting worked up over it does anything. True races can't be determined without a detailed genetic test, so why do they matter? We may as well try and maintain pure hair colors of some random thing. Maybe long little toes, i don't know. I don't see why people make it an issue, live how you want, let your neighbor alone. Its his life. I hold the same opinion for gay marriage or recreational drug usage. If it doesn't hurt anyone else, go for it. So, enjoy yourself worrying about the future of pale and pasty skin color of indeterminate stock, i'll worry about where i'm getting my next paycheck, and if i have any time left, maybe about the future of the human race, all skin colors included.

Yes, because that's what the world really needs. More division and more hate.

Go fuck a cactus.

A bit of diversity can be good because it opens you up to new ideas, new ways to solve problems that sort of thing.
Many of the scientists that fled Nazi Germany went on to research the Manhatten Project. A little white supremecism can be a very dangerous thing!

Hello Michael, I'm Animal Control, a puppet nation created long ago to deal with the yipping little white dogs of white nationalism. I've been in semi-retirement for a while but it looks like I'm going to be needed around here again.
I just skimmed this thread but as far as I can see you're just trying to push the same old crap all tied up with a new ribbon.
You can say whatever you want Mike about not hating any other races and wanting to live in peace, but unless you plan on leaving this planet to create your white utopia, you're gonna have to displace quite a few of us fellow humans who by chance are more pigmentally blessed than you and your cohorts to achieve your goal. Trust me when I say we dispute your claim to this land and won't leave quietly.
But I'm sure you're aware of that, just as I'm sure, dispite your Mr. Nice-guy opening post, that you're just another misguided bigoted asshole. Your posting of the same old tired dogma about how the other 'races' are more prone to crime, yadda yadda, gives you away. We've heard it all before here. There is nothing 'new' about stormfront, you can slap a coat of paint on that turd but the stench still seeps through.
Let me lay a few facts on you. I'm an American. I could probably pass as white, I could walk up and talk about 'them damn niggers' with you and your friends and you could assume I was of Italian descent or something similar. But if you paid close attention you'd see I didn't have enough body or facial hair to be Italian (thanks to the pacific rim and native american contributions to my heritage) and that my hair was a little too curly (that little gift comes from africa via Haiti) and I tan a little too easy. But my family has lived in this land probably as long or longer than yours.
I love where I live. I'm not moving out just to make room for some white wonderland. In fact what I love about where I live is that it is so diverse. And that we spit in the face of all the crap you try to sell about what's 'wrong' with the other 'races'. You see over half the babies born where I live are of mixed 'race'. Yes, I said over half. 7 out of 10 actually in the year 2002.
And guess what? Our society hasn't crumbled. Crime isn't rampant. Kids of all shades play together without thinking twice about it. Even the lilly white, pure WASP among us aren't persecuted for being what they are. You see we don't push for the mixing of the races, we just insist on acceptance and tolerance. They just seem to mix on their own. Because people are people.
So if we can all coexist peacefully and thrive, what's your malfunction where you need some homogonized gene pool to survive?
Don't give me that crap about preserving your race. Your race is the human race. You want to preserve your heritage, go ahead. I preserve mine, all of them. My children will carry on what I pass to them as well as what their mother brings with her. That, by the way, would be a mix of anglo-saxton and slovic heritages.
Or to put it simply so you can understand, she's white.

Hogwash? Can you please tell me why pharms are now being developed base upon race? Hmmm... Maybe because we are DIFFERENT? Actually numbnuts they have been doing some research based upon genotypes, similar but not quite the same thing. While some genotypes do conform roughly to some archaic 'racial' divisions they cross the lines frequently.

I've never understood how you can use Darwin to explain so much, yet completely remove his findings from the discussion of race. We have physical differences beyond the amount of melanin our body produces. These physical differences are a large factor in determining which culture we choose to live our lives identifying with. Can't get around it. The world would be great if we could, then we wouldn't need WN. But back here in reality, we do.The differences are similar to what would be called breeds in farm animals, holsteins and herfords are both still cows. I personally think of myself and my fellows slightly above the level of farm animals, but if you want to subdivide yourself into a 'breed'....well I guess you have that right.

I don't believe that race makes someone better then another, but it plays a huge role, perhaps the biggest, in determining how we choose to interact with our environment. American Blacks for instance overwhelmingly support entitlements. I strongly oppose them. Why should I be forced to participate in a society where I must act against my wishes on a daily basis? Wrong, but thaks for playing. The correct answer is environmental factors and learned behavior when determining how we interact with our environment. You can take a baby of any heritage and raise it elsewhere and it will conform to the society it is raised in.
And sorry about the whole 'democracy not bending to your will' thing.

White Nationalists do not want to exterminate other races, we don't want to displace other races, we want to be able to live in communities apart from other races and the laws which tie us to said races. We are the ultimate anti-federalists. We want to be able to practice self-determinism.Sorry we don't do the succesion thing. See 'Civil War' for clarification.

It's amazing how many people automatically assume that they know what our cause is about. That's what a public education will do to you. I know, I had one. Fortunately, I had a strong desire to investigate what I was being fed, and frankly the truth liberated me. We have all tried this multi-cultural thing before, in Rome, in Babylon, in Egypt, it never works. It won't this time either.Interesting, all those great civilizations were multicultural. Although they didn't endure, I think you can safely say they 'worked'. And looking around me, it looks like it's working again.

I can think of many. Such as Diease is greater among blacks(STD's and AID's). Blacks commit 52% of all violent crime but only make up 12.3% of the U.S. population. IQ test scores are lower among Blacks.


And the exact is true of caucasians and Japanese, except with caucasians coming off worse. Are the Japanese then superior to whites?

I see it as more the idea that white heritage and tradditions have as much right to be upheld as any other races.

What exactly is white heritage and tradition?

So the next time you call some of us supremacists, Nazis, racists and that we hate. Just remember that we are just average people who smile at you on the street, lets you out into a busy intersection, when you drop something when your hands are full, we are the ones that pick it up for you.

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if i've dropped something my hands aren't full. please don't touch my stuff.

also well done for holding your beliefs. however as a person who is able to love people of all colours and nationalities (given half a chance) i think they are wrong. happy misgivings.

please don't ever touch my stuff.

The Browning of the world is getting rid of the White race. I am white. You want me to die out. You want to grow unhindered in Diversity and Multi-Culturalism.

the idea of the browning not only would wipe out white, it would wipe out pure black, pure asian etc etc. people would mix. perhaps finally we could literally be the human race, rather than a white human or a black human etc etc. as far as i can see the only reason you'd not want this to happen is because you actively enjoy hating other people. thats pretty fucked up. i think.

I believe everyone of every race has the right to life. But I believe the world would be a better place if the Races where separate.

Why? Just whimsy, or do you have a valid reason?

I Love America. I do not break the Law. But I know that America is quickly becoming a Cess Pool and it is headed down hill and I see where the problems are.

And where are these problems, precisely? You seem to be implying that they've arisen from the mixing of races. Proof? Reason? Hello?

If you consider me a racist, that's fine. Because a racist has a different meaning to me and it's not all that bad. I am just proud of who I am. We believe in the 14 words, "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." Any and every race should feel the same about their own.

Possibly. But what unifies you with the white race other than your skin colour? I can understand one who would rather not have cultures mix in one country, or one marriage, or whatever, but I really don't see where you're coming from with skin colour.

We just have a different opinion than your own. If you want to label us because of that, it's fine.

Things must have labels. Computer. Chair. Female. Racist. You just like sweetening yours up. Like Supremalicious or Racistfingers. Or something.

Things must have labels. Computer. Chair. Female. Racist. You just like sweetening yours up. Like Supremalicious or Racistfingers. Or something.


ha ha. racistfingers is the hotness

ha ha. racistfingers is the hotness

And tasty! (89 cents)

I believe in advancement of society. Whites have always advanced every society that they have been associated with. So if you want to be living in the stone age still, keep thinking that.

Really depends on you interpretation of 'white', my culturally challenged friend.

For example - our entire modern medicine is based on the fact that, while the 'whiter' races sat around pissing their superstitious pants all across Europe, certain areas of the Middle East were actually examining the human body.

If it wasn't for those 'darker' skins, and their more lenient religions (at that time), 'white' medicine would never have advanced out of the "You feel with your heart, and the brain is an instrument for cooling the blood" stage.

Of course - in order to back up your ludicrous statement, you probably consider that Saladin was a 'white' man, right?

*Proud to be beige*

This is just wrong...I'm white and I come from north africa my mom was canadian and my dad came from the sahara area...so you say everyone should be separated?Then I can't see my family...They have a darker skin colour then me...No,I'm sorry but I have disagree with segregation and "White Nationalism"and other crap. :mad:

Really depends on you interpretation of 'white', my culturally challenged friend.

For example - our entire modern medicine is based on the fact that, while the 'whiter' races sat around pissing their superstitious pants all across Europe, certain areas of the Middle East were actually examining the human body.

If it wasn't for those 'darker' skins, and their more lenient religions (at that time), 'white' medicine would never have advanced out of the "You feel with your heart, and the brain is an instrument for cooling the blood" stage.

Of course - in order to back up your ludicrous statement, you probably consider that Saladin was a 'white' man, right?
I heard the White Man killed out most of the native americans with making them drunk and giving them smallpox.

Why? Explain please. Because you say so?

Whites have been told to be ashamed for far too long. Our ancestors did what they had to do to survive. Placing 21rst century ethics upon 19th century actions is rediculous. The history of mankind is full of tribal conflict. We just want our tribe to win. Why should we give it all back? So they can slaughter us in Rhodesia and South Africa while the good little liberals can all decree that they deserved it because they stole the land? Do some research, the land did not belong to the current black inhabitants in South Africa, they too are foreign invaders... Just as California never truly belonged to Mexico. It was claimed by Drake for the British, who were not able to hold it due to a lack of numbers, same as the Mexicans...

Being racist is only shameful if you believe that multi-culturalism is the way to go, that the blending of races is fine and that someday we will all end up holding hands and singing kumbaya... Sorry, but I don't buy it. Turn off MTV and go drive down to the ghetto and then tell me that you want that in your neighborhood. I don't.

Let's just have a quick history lesson, for those of us who have ignored all of history so far.

By "whites", one assumes we are talking about the western Europeans, and the western Europeans settlers in the New World... since that is where the "Empires" 'thing' happened.

Okay - news flash.

What made Western Europe great?

Was it racial purity? Was it isolation? Was it the fact that they kept their own traditions?

No - the secret to western Europe is 'Hybrid vigour'. Every few years, western Europe got invaded by some new power, who stayed and enriched the gene-pool.

England, occupied by dark haired Britons, invaded by Celts, invaded by Angles, invaded by 'Romans', invaded by Saxons, invaded by Normans (Saxonised-Franks)... makes an Empire that covered a quarter of the globe.

See, 'racial purity' doesn't work.

I heard the White Man killed out most of the native americans with making them drunk and giving them smallpox.

well how the hell would you have done it?

thats the best way to skin a cat.

in reality...

its a bit late to start with segregation as (as has been pointed out) there are already racially mixed families. however. if you really want to start a white only village in huts in a forest thats cool. please don't expect to be allowed use of the culturally mixed power grids, water boards etc. we'll see who's so fucking civilised then.

Long live the anti-racist majority!

Whatever our political differences, we can unite around the simple understanding that judging a human being by the colour of his or her skin is just plain stoopid!

I heard the White Man killed out most of the native americans with making them drunk and giving them smallpox.

While those were contributing factors, the shooting the 'natives', robbing them of their native territories and food sources, and herding them into small, disease-riven camps, certainly didn't help.

And, white 'religions' certainly took their toll, also - hanging natives in groups of thirteen (a reference to the Last Supper) and burning them alive, because they wouldn't convert.

As for Cortez... well, baptising native babies, and then smashing their brains out on the rocks (dead immediately after baptism = go to heaven, was his theory)...

Yes - the 'whites' have a proud history...

Long live the anti-racist majority!

Whatever our political differences, we can unite around the simple understanding that judging a human being by the colour of his or her skin is just plain stoopid!


i'm not anti racist. i will tolerate them in their own society. it's when they start coming over here stealing our jobs nd raping our women. thats what gets me

i'm not anti racist. i will tolerate them in their own society. it's when they start coming over here stealing our jobs nd raping our women. thats what gets me

Nah - it's been SCIENTIFICALLY proved that racists are inferior; they are the less intelligent, emotionally insecure, and don't have many friends.

I know that I will be out numbered here and I will try to reply to all or most. I have a job that I have to go to and I plan on coming back to reply. Some of you have good points and some of you are just not Awakened or Enlightened.

I have very limited time and can not respond to most of you. Matter of Fact, I will not respond at all. Since most of you think you already know everything.

I was once like most of you. I attended majority Black schools and had Black Best Friends. But as I got older and wash not Brainwashed by the Media and the opinions of a few indivuals. I travel this Earth with an open mind and can think on my own. But opinions are different from Facts. I tend to believe the Facts and what I know and see.

To be enlightened and become aware, Please visit me here. Link (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/index.php?referrerid=49691)

Thanks for letting me share my opinion and giving me the right to Free Speech on this site.

Some of you have good points and some of you are just not Awakened or Enlightened.

I have very limited time and can not respond to most of you. Matter of Fact, I will not respond at all. Since most of you think you already know everything.

I was once like most of you. I attended majority Black schools and had Black Best Friends. But as I got older and wash not Brainwashed by the Media and the opinions of a few indivuals. I travel this Earth with an open mind and can think on my own. But opinions are different from Facts. I tend to believe the Facts and what I know and see.

To be enlightened and become aware, Please visit me here. Link (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/index.php?referrerid=49691)

Thanks for letting me share my opinion and giving me the right to Free Speech on this site.

I just thought I'd tell you... I'm not going to touch your link.

If a tirade of hate-filled division is your idea of an ADVERTISMENT for a link... well, I don't want to buy what that site has to sell.

Enjoy your free-speech.

Welcome to the World, we ALL live here.

Great. A link to a neo-Nazi website run by nutters who like to play with guns and get kicks out of dressing up in SS uniforms. How enlightened.

We all have the right to speak our mind and present our opinions. I think it's very important that we all support this. However, I will never support anything that has to do with racism in any way shape or form.

Thank you for exercising your right to free speech. Congratulations, you've proven yourself to be a complete moron.

Sure, there is good and bad people of every race.

Some snakes are harmless and some are poisonous. But I chose not to associate with them.

So every other race than your own are snakes? I asked WHY you choose not to associate with them. You know, the white race isn't peaches and cream. You'd rather associate with Hitler than with Martin Luther King Jr? You'd rather associate with Charles Manson than with Thelonious Monk?

I think you are the one that has been brainwashed to assume that the world will come to an end if people associate with those other than their own race. Haven't you realized that skin color is only so deep? Why don't you try finding people because of their personalities other than the superficial and ignorant factor of their skin?

I'm not trying to bash you, I'm just saying that maybe you should try and look at the logic of your statements before you claim others are brainwashed.

So every other race than your own are snakes? I asked WHY you choose not to associate with them. You know, the white race isn't peaches and cream. You'd rather associate with Hitler than with Martin Luther King Jr? You'd rather associate with Charles Manson than with Thelonious Monk?

I think you are the one that has been brainwashed to assume that the world will come to an end if people associate with those other than their own race. Haven't you realized that skin color is only so deep? Why don't you try finding people because of their personalities other than the superficial and ignorant factor of their skin?

I'm not trying to bash you, I'm just saying that maybe you should try and look at the logic of your statements before you claim others are brainwashed.

Some people are too stubbornly ignorant to understand that once you peel off the skin that everyone is basicly the same shade of messy.

Let's just have a quick history lesson, for those of us who have ignored all of history so far.

By "whites", one assumes we are talking about the western Europeans, and the western Europeans settlers in the New World... since that is where the "Empires" 'thing' happened.

Okay - news flash.

What made Western Europe great?

Was it racial purity? Was it isolation? Was it the fact that they kept their own traditions?

No - the secret to western Europe is 'Hybrid vigour'. Every few years, western Europe got invaded by some new power, who stayed and enriched the gene-pool.

England, occupied by dark haired Britons, invaded by Celts, invaded by Angles, invaded by 'Romans', invaded by Saxons, invaded by Normans (Saxonised-Franks)... makes an Empire that covered a quarter of the globe.

See, 'racial purity' doesn't work.

Hmm, let's test that theory:

European Empires and racial purity:

Spain: mixture of Iberians, Greeks, Carthaginians, Romans, Vandals, Visigoths and Moors (as well as Basques and Catalans).
-most of South and Central America (including much of the Carribean), most of continental USA, the Phillipines, parts of North Africa and Guinea, the Canary Isles.

Portugal: mixture of Iberians, Celts, Phoenicians, Carthaginians, Romans, Vandals, Visigoths, and Moors.
-Brazil, the Azores, large parts of central Africa, Goa, Indonesia and plenty of other places I'm too lazy to look up.

France: mixture of Celts, Romans, Vandals, Visigoths, Normans and Teutons (as well as Basques and Corsicans)
-large parts of North America, Fench Guiana, most of North Africa, Madagascar, Vietnam, parts of the Carribean, assorted Pacific islands.

Britain: mixture of Britons, Celts, Romans, Danes, Saxons, Norwegians, Vikings and Normans
- most of southern Africa, a slice of central and northern Africa, the original US colonies, most of Canada, parts of the Carribean, Indian sub-continent, small slices of S.E. Asia, Australasia and other assorted territories in the Pacific, Middle East and elsewhere. Oh an Gibraltar. Neh neh neh neh neh you Spanish.

Germany: nice, pure Aryans
- a sausage factory in Tanganyika

So you see, racial purity just doesn't work

(a biscuit to anyone who tells me where the German Empire line comes from)

Hmm, let's test that theory:

European Empires and racial purity:

Spain: mixture of Iberians, Greeks, Carthaginians, Romans, Vandals, Visigoths and Moors (as well as Basques and Catalans).
-most of South and Central America (including much of the Carribean), most of continental USA, the Phillipines, parts of North Africa and Guinea, the Canary Isles.

Portugal: mixture of Iberians, Celts, Phoenicians, Carthaginians, Romans, Vandals, Visigoths, and Moors.
-Brazil, the Azores, large parts of central Africa, Goa, Indonesia and plenty of other places I'm too lazy to look up.

France: mixture of Celts, Romans, Vandals, Visigoths, Normans and Teutons (as well as Basques and Corsicans)
-large parts of North America, Fench Guiana, most of North Africa, Madagascar, Vietnam, parts of the Carribean, assorted Pacific islands.

Britain: mixture of Britons, Celts, Romans, Danes, Saxons, Norwegians, Vikings and Normans
- most of southern Africa, a slice of central and northern Africa, the original US colonies, most of Canada, parts of the Carribean, Indian sub-continent, small slices of S.E. Asia, Australasia and other assorted territories in the Pacific, Middle East and elsewhere. Oh an Gibraltar. Neh neh neh neh neh you Spanish.

Germany: nice, pure Aryans
- a sausage factory in Tanganyika

So you see, racial purity just doesn't work

(a biscuit to anyone who tells me where the German Empire line comes from)

It was down behind the couch... along with all the TV remotes.

The more successful Black people get, the lighter their skin becomes.

I cant believe no one dived for this little pearl.

Please explain to me the scientific background for a drop in pigments after achieving a step-up in success. Is it related to how steep the step is?
Lets say a person, lets call her dark-skinned, finishes with a bachelors degree in political science (Cum Laude) at age 19.* She also receives her Masters in Political Science at the University of Notre Dame, and her Doctorate in Political Science from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. She later becomes National Security Advisor of a large country and is likely to become Secretary of State for said nation.

Are we to expect her become just a bit whiter, or is she bound to turn completely pale? And how come she seems to have the same tone of skin as in her youth? Dont you think that her achievements should have really "enlightened" her?
But i forgot, you are not going to answer, because you dont have the time. And the harder it is to answer the questions, the less time you will probably have.

To me, a "white" mongrel, with celtic, slavic and teutonic blood just within the last four generations, your ideas seem rather stupid.
You dont want the white race to die out. Fine, dont have sex with people of other races, stay among yourselves. There, easy as that.
You dont want the white culture to end? First, there is no white culture. My culture here in Germany is different from the one in the Netherlands, and they are our, equally white, neighbours. But together we are more cultural similar compared to the US whites. There is no single "white culture".
But lets, for the sake of discussion, assume there was such a thing. Since you deem it superiour to other cultures, it should hold up its own, shouldnt it? After all, the strongest survives. What you want to do is put it under a glass cover, protect it by the chosen white defenders of truth and whatnot and show it to the world as a shining example. That leaves the question why you work so hard to defend it. Maybe because it isnt that strong as you think? Because the mixed-up culture that comes from people intermingling freely is more persistent, just like a mongrel dog is tougher and more resilent than a purebreed.

Interracial breeding produces stronger kids.

And half asian, half white girls are fucking hot.

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children."

Then get yer nappy white ass off of my people's land and take your nappy little white kids with you.

I will not discuss religon on this forum. But I do believe if you Believe in Jesus you will go to Heaven. Regardless of race.

I know you want to discuss this issue absent religion, but if you are a Christian, you have a responsibility to represent Christ before anything else in this world. Christ said, "Go ye therefore into all the world and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and teach them to observe all things whatsoever, I have commanded you." How can you do this while at the same time refusing to have contact with people of other races?

Also, if you believe the creation story, we are all descended from the same man and woman and thereby, related to all races aren't we?

How so?

Do you want to blame it on poverty?

Mexicans live in poverty. Their crime rate does not touch that of Blacks.

But even Christ voluntarily associated with Jewish Criminals. Why won't you?

Within the WN cause, there are many different answers to this question. Personally, I agree with you that Culture is more important then Genetics. However, Race is a factor when people choose to identify with a culture, therefore by removing race from the equation.... The culture is that much more likely to remain.

I also enjoy other cultures, but I want to be able to go home to my own. In America, we have no way of protecting our neighborhoods. For instance, A group of White Nationalists move to one city block and buy up all of the homes. One White Nationalist decides to move and puts his house on the market. A Mexican Immigrant determines that he wants to buy the house and puts a bid up. The White Nationalist decides that because the rest of the block wants to remain in a homogenous culture that he will not sell to this immigrant. Said immigrant runs to the courthouse sues for discrimination and gets a judge to force the sale to go through. How is this wrong to want to keep him out? We worked hard to build a community that we feel comfortable in and suddenly we are forced to throw it all away because 1 person's will is determined to be more valuable then 29. This is stupid. It is not natural. Sorry, but if that Mexican wants, he can get together with all of his kind and buy a block and keep us out. I won't complain one bit.

I'll agree with you that it shouldn't be a legal issue. The gov. has no business telling someone what they can or can't do with their property. You should be able to sell to whom ever for what ever reason you chose. The problem is a moral one here. That you would willfully this to a relative, and by either creation or evolution you are related to everyone, is reprehensible, particularly for someone who would claim to be a Christian.

I will not discuss religon on this forum. But I do believe if you Believe in Jesus you will go to Heaven. Regardless of race.

Well ... and here's the tricky part .... are you sitting down? Got a good grip on your chair? I don't want you to get hurt.

*aherm* Okie ... here it is:

Not one single person mentioned in Tanakh (what you'd call the "OT") or the New Testament is white and neither was Muhammed. They're all brown. Every prophet, including Jesus. Since these are the people that God has apparently been doing all the talking to and giving all of the messages to - Moses, Jesus, Muhammed - could you possibly imagine that maybe ... just maybe ...

God prefers a brown world!

No kindly go fuck yourself.

ok, another " nice seperatist" the thing is they do not take into consideration those who are multi-racial except as "abominations" to whichever bloodline. I am multi-racial, I do not claim any one part of my rich and varied heritage above any other part. If i cannot claim all of it I would rather claim none. My child is as varied as I am racially and I plan on having another just like him... but of course I am a Pagan heratic... * laughs* I really do not see how inbreeding racial lines is benificial to humanity.... I know my cultural backgrounds, all of them, and I am teaching my son his so he can see how beautiful it all is.... to each their own... by all means cut yourself off and live like a hermit I doubt the rest of us will mind much...

Why? Explain please. Because you say so?

Whites have been told to be ashamed for far too long. Our ancestors did what they had to do to survive. Placing 21rst century ethics upon 19th century actions is rediculous. The history of mankind is full of tribal conflict. We just want our tribe to win. Why should we give it all back? So they can slaughter us in Rhodesia and South Africa while the good little liberals can all decree that they deserved it because they stole the land? Do some research, the land did not belong to the current black inhabitants in South Africa, they too are foreign invaders... Just as California never truly belonged to Mexico. It was claimed by Drake for the British, who were not able to hold it due to a lack of numbers, same as the Mexicans...

Being racist is only shameful if you believe that multi-culturalism is the way to go, that the blending of races is fine and that someday we will all end up holding hands and singing kumbaya... Sorry, but I don't buy it. Turn off MTV and go drive down to the ghetto and then tell me that you want that in your neighborhood. I don't.

You shouldn't be ashamed of being white, you should be ashamed of being racist. White people aren't being slaughtered in South Africa, both parties there are behaving reprehensibly, though progressing slowly toward civility.

If you want to talk about foreign invaders, every immigrant to this country is a foreign invader, including all us white ones.

I don't believe in multicultrualism. I find it to be a form of racism as well. Only when we hold fast to what is good in our individual cultures and let go of that which is bad, hold on to what is good in other cultures and make it part of our own, while leaving off the bad, does humanity benefit. Trying to live in a vaccum and never growing personally or culturally can be nothing but degrading to all in the long run.

Why do you believe this -- "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children"

instead of this -- "We must secure the existence of all people and a future for all children" ??

Why should I be forced to participate in a society where I must act against my wishes on a daily basis?

We want to be able to practice self-determinism.


You are free to join together, purchase an uninhabited island and set up whatever form of Gov. you like. Also, I agree you should be able to set up a seperationist community here if you like, but doing so does not = self-determinism. If you really want to accomplish this here, convert to being Amish and join there community, it is segregated by default. How important to you is this issue really? Surely this wouldn't be to great a sacrifice would it.

Not that anyone Amish would ever read this do to technology related issues, but this is in no means an attempt to imply that Amish people are racist or intentionally seperate themselves from other races. It was only an observation that Amish communities tend to be entire Caucasion because very few other races have been interested in joining that community.

I can't belive none of you see the double standerd you're pulling. Many of you belive that everyone can do what they want and belive what they what and not be discriminated against, which is a good thing. But then you attack someone for thinking differently then you do.
I don't think he's trying to change anyone's beliefs, he's trying to open peoples eyes. Even if he isn't right, thats no reason to attack him as a person. Try debating his ideas, and not making stupid, smart-ass comments about what a "nazi" he is.
Don't discriminate against someone who belives something you don't.
Theres nothing wrong with holding an opinion.

I can't belive none of you see the double standerd you're pulling. Many of you belive that everyone can do what they want and belive what they what and not be discriminated against, which is a good thing. But then you attack someone for thinking differently then you do.
I don't think he's trying to change anyone's beliefs, he's trying to open peoples eyes. Even if he isn't right, thats no reason to attack him as a person. Try debating his ideas, and not making stupid, smart-ass comments about what a "nazi" he is.
Don't discriminate against someone who belives something you don't.
Theres nothing wrong with holding an opinion.

But there MAY be something wrong WITH the opinion... in which case, everyone else has the right to try to point out the (myriad) flaws, right?

I can't belive none of you see the double standerd you're pulling. Many of you belive that everyone can do what they want and belive what they what and not be discriminated against, which is a good thing. But then you attack someone for thinking differently then you do.
Actually its easy. I believe in freedom and equality for everyone, like most people tend to and what is considered the base for most modern societies. People who want to take away these fundamental rights from others are the exact opposite. Coexistance of both viewpoints is not possible. Racists, supremacist or nationalists or whatever name is en vogue right now, have these rights and want to pervert them for their gain. Thus they willingly step out of the system and can not claim lack of tolerance. They put themselves beyond the border and in a position that threatens society, so i wont weep a single tear for a poor misunderstood fascist in whatever guise he may take.

Don't discriminate against someone who belives something you don't.
Theres nothing wrong with holding an opinion.

So if you're willing to tolerate someone who believes one 'race' (there is only one race....the human race) is superior over all the others how far does your tolerance go?

Will you tolerate the opinions of someone whose built on those of our racist friend and decided that the inferior races should be destroyed? That's what the Nazis thought by the way incase you didn't realise...

Come now do you really have tolerance for ALL opinions? Think about that. How much respect and tolerance do you have for paedophiles?

So if you're willing to tolerate someone who believes one 'race' (there is only one race....the human race) is superior over all the others how far does your tolerance go?

Will you tolerate the opinions of someone whose built on those of our racist friend and decided that the inferior races should be destroyed? That's what the Nazis thought by the way incase you didn't realise...

Come now do you really have tolerance for ALL opinions? Think about that. How much respect and tolerance do you have for paedophiles?

I'd say that they're still entitled to their opinions, but as soon as they act on them in a way that harms another individual, tolerance comes to a screaching halt.

Hitler also started out wanting to just be separate from Jews, Gypsies, and others to create Lebensraum for the Germans. Then he moved onto genocide and death camps.

Cop out, cop out, I won't answer your questions 'cause I can't

Interracial breeding produces stronger kids.

And half asian, half white girls are fucking hot.

Then if I...hey, rock on.

Michael, I'm sure it's going to get quite frustrating for you to cut through the rest of the crap and see any of the real debate attempts going on here, so Ihope you manage to pull it off and read this.

Firstly, there are some quotes and questions I've collected, everyone is welecome to answer the questions I pose to them, but I am particularly interested in the answers of the origonal authors.

We have all tried this multi-cultural thing before, in Rome, in Babylon, in Egypt, it never works. It won't this time either.

Firstly, I want sources. I am quite well informed of ancient mesopotamian cultures, and I'd like you to know that Babylon was destroyed by invasion after invasion of more "racially pure" cultures, like the Hittites, Cannites, Egyptians (Early), and Elamites (Persians).
As well, I'd like you to know that Egypt only became multi-cultural when it began ascociating with Rome. The Nubians and Egyptians didn't mingle very much, and generally kept themselves sperated culturally. And if I remember correctly, the Hebrews origonated as Egyptians, considering the earliest refrences to them for a long time are Egyptian (Also, they believe the religion of the Hebrews was actually an Egyptian cult to the Sun God as the only god).

I believe in advancement of society. Whites have always advanced every society that they have been associated with. So if you want to be living in the stone age still, keep thinking that.
I hate to break it to you, but the people who brought us from the Stone Age, wern't white.
Let's see...
1: Writing - Sumerians (Not White)
2: The Wheel - Sumerians (Not White)
3: Astrology (mathematical ploting of the solar system other space stuff) - Sumerians (Not White)
4: Agriculture - Sumerians (Not White)
5: Cities/Civilization - Sumerians (Not White)(Also, around simmilar times the Syrians, in Jherico, and the Chinese were also devloping cities, both not white)
6: Democracy - Greeks (Not White)
7: Government - Sumerians (Not White)

And I could go on and on. The point though, is that all of these things, essential to civilization (and indeed, civilization itself) were created not by white people, but by brown, asian, and "olive" people.


i'm not anti racist. i will tolerate them in their own society. it's when they start coming over here stealing our jobs nd raping our women. thats what gets me

Define "Raping our women". Because the way you say it makes it seem like even if the woman is willing, it's rape as long as they're of different "races". Which essentially means I rape my fiance, which doesn't seem possible.

I tend to believe the Facts and what I know and see.

But how do you know what it fact? Because someone tells you? Because many people tell you? Or because you see it? You do know that what you see is only your opnion right?
When dealing with personal belifs, perspectives, or anything like that, fact does not exist.


I can't belive none of you see the double standerd you're pulling. Many of you belive that everyone can do what they want and belive what they what and not be discriminated against, which is a good thing. But then you attack someone for thinking differently then you do.

I am pulling no such "double standard". I believe I am right and everyone else is wrong if they don't agree with me. And that no one can do what they like, only what I believe they should be able to do.
However, for the sake of debate (debating is fun), I believe everyone should have differing opnions to some degree. Of course when said opnions are enacted upon, then I also believe I have every right to act upon my opnions.
And finally, I believe that viloence solves everything.
So in no way does this double standard argument really hold any ground, because in the end, I'm right and you're wrong. Now, back to the fun debate please?

You can't really have a civil debate with someone like geminius, people like that post threads filled with ignorance and logical fallacies and their posts have no logical string at all. :headbang: It's quite funny though to think that these "friendly peace-loving" morons are the same people who would've helped Hitler as Nazis during the Holocaust. It's both shocking AND amusing! :D

When you [Jewish/Asian/Black person etc] thought it was safe to go outside, the racism of the new millennium!

Hide your views behind 'friendly' traits, express your views with your local KKK group in your basement once a week, and then suddenly jump out of no-where to shock everyone with your 'new' views.

Sign up now and get a free keychain!*

*While stock lasts.

It's certainly more pleasant than "old" racism at any rate. I hope that eventually race will be a non-factor, but that's not particularly realistic. On the other hand, it would be a good idea to bolster European cultural interest in America. Other ethnic groups have close knit communities, while white people just kinda are.

Neo-nazis have what's known as a BS field. They cannot be defeated with ordinary arguments. :headbang:

Neo-nazis have what's known as a BS field. They cannot be defeated with ordinary arguments. :headbang:
*charges at the BS field with my Argument of Factuality Assault Rifle (AFAR)*
*gets electrocuted and my AFAR explodes*
"AHHH! Letila was right! Stupid NeoNa-"

*breaks out the big guns and melts the BS field with a flamethrower*