NationStates Jolt Archive

It seems this board has gone the way of religious discussion... so I just want to ask a few questions. Things that have bugged me.

If Mary was a virigin conception... does that mean when Jesus was born he had to rip his way through her hymen? I just laugh everytime I visualize a baby bumping up against that thing.

If we can trade our souls for anything... can I trade my soul for a better soul? Or how about a free pass into heaven? Or can I trade for the devil's soul?

If man was created as is... what about dinosaurs, neanderthals, the ice age, and pangea?

If Christ's death washed away all the sins of mankind, so that we can now go to heaven... why should I worry about what I do? You just said I have a free pass.

Don't Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the SAME GOD. What's the problem?

If you can't get into heaven without "accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour", does that mean every child who lives in a situation/country where he/she's never heard of the man goes straight to hell?

If god has a plan for all of us, and everything happens for his reasons... what's the problem with abortion? Appearantly it was god's plan to kill the little fetus. Same with all those automobile accidents, cancers, typhoons, corporate mergers, and presidential elections.

Hmm. That ought to stir up some kind of backlash and/or agreement.

Enjoy,
-His most excellent Protector of Wecter.

It seems this board has gone the way of religious discussion... so I just want to ask a few questions. Things that have bugged me.

If Mary was a virigin conception... does that mean when Jesus was born he had to rip his way through her hymen? I just laugh everytime I visualize a baby bumping up against that thing.

If we can trade our souls for anything... can I trade my soul for a better soul? Or how about a free pass into heaven? Or can I trade for the devil's soul?

If man was created as is... what about dinosaurs, neanderthals, the ice age, and pangea?

If Christ's death washed away all the sins of mankind, so that we can now go to heaven... why should I worry about what I do? You just said I have a free pass.

Don't Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the SAME GOD. What's the problem?

If you can't get into heaven without "accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour", does that mean every child who lives in a situation/country where he/she's never heard of the man goes straight to hell?

If god has a plan for all of us, and everything happens for his reasons... what's the problem with abortion? Appearantly it was god's plan to kill the little fetus. Same with all those automobile accidents, cancers, typhoons, corporate mergers, and presidential elections.

Hmm. That ought to stir up some kind of backlash and/or agreement.

Enjoy,
-His most excellent Protector of Wecter.

Hmmm...you have raised several interestiung points, allow me to enlighten you.

Q1 Jesus was the first ceasarian birth, a process later named after Roman ruler Ceaser. Hence the biblical phrase, why use the door, when you have a sun roof.
Q2 Trade-ins are only accepted within 28 days or with the original receipt
Q3 Earlier created models, were created with inferior materials and therefore turned out differently. this can still be seen in some humans, ie Michael Jackson, Michael Moore and George Bush, who are clearly all defective
Q4 Use this clever trick....live life as you feel, not as you are told. Party, drink, experiement, but just before you die REPENT everything. you will be ok. If you are reaching 80-ish, it may be best to ask for forgiveness, then give up the sex, etc...
Q5 Its all about name calling. No-one can agree on the spelling. Everyone really knows God was english, and came from Bude in Cornwallm where he lives today. He is called JJ and owns several bars and clubs in the town. he is a keen surfer.
Q6 Yes and No. If they have'nt heard of Jesus, they are bound to have heard of Micheal Jackson, so they will get to go to Neverland.
Q7 This is a common fallacy. God never said she had a plan for all of us. what she said was she had a pan for all of us, in order that we can fry and cook. Check your kitchen cupboard, under or near the sink. There it is !

the pleasure was all mine....

It seems this board has gone the way of religious discussion... so I just want to ask a few questions. Things that have bugged me.

If Mary was a virigin conception... does that mean when Jesus was born he had to rip his way through her hymen? I just laugh everytime I visualize a baby bumping up against that thing.

Man, that had to be painful... Maybe he was teleported out as his seed was teleported in. Also, we celebrate Mary's pregnancy on Dec. 8th, and the birth of Jesus on Dec. 24. Either he was born after half a month, or over a year...

If Christ's death washed away all the sins of mankind, so that we can now go to heaven... why should I worry about what I do? You just said I have a free pass.

Soooooo true! Also, isn't worshipping the crucifix equal to worshipping the golden lamb?!

Don't Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the SAME GOD. What's the problem?

That's right, they just don't agree on the way to please him...

If you can't get into heaven without "accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour", does that mean every child who lives in a situation/country where he/she's never heard of the man goes straight to hell?


Ever read Dante's Inferno? It clearly states that all these people stand in front of the doors to hell.


If god has a plan for all of us, and everything happens for his reasons... what's the problem with abortion? Appearantly it was god's plan to kill the little fetus. Same with all those automobile accidents, cancers, typhoons, corporate mergers, and presidential elections.

I think that's what they call deist approach: God created the world, then focused His attention to another "project"...

I just love such threads!!!

Always knew god was a woman. Who else could be so cruel?

I like the caesarian bit, hadn't occured to me.

Thanks for the response.

I've heard it said that the majority of the "Framers of the Constitution" were Deists. I kind of like that philosophy. First god makes the world, then man, then god talks a walk.

It seems this board has gone the way of religious discussion... so I just want to ask a few questions. Things that have bugged me.

If Mary was a virigin conception... does that mean when Jesus was born he had to rip his way through her hymen? I just laugh everytime I visualize a baby bumping up against that thing."Thank you for that image Johnny!" :headbang:

However, Sex isn't the only way to remove the Hymen. and I will assume that the act of giving birth will also remove the Hymen... seeing that a baby is much bigger than the male organ...

If we can trade our souls for anything... can I trade my soul for a better soul? Or how about a free pass into heaven? Or can I trade for the devil's soul?I like my soul as it is... however, if you think you can get a better deal... (buyer beware) then go for it... and I hope you'll be happy in the LONG run.

If man was created as is... what about dinosaurs, neanderthals, the ice age, and pangea? Reminds me of a joke.
man: God, what is a minute to you?
God: A minute to me can be million of your years.
man: God, what is a million dollars to you?
God: it be ought a penny in mine eyes.
Man: can you give me have a penny?
God: in a minute.

what is a day to God... 24 hours... or a billion years...

If Christ's death washed away all the sins of mankind, so that we can now go to heaven... why should I worry about what I do? You just said I have a free pass.It is also said that Jesus is the way to heaven... you need to Believe in Him to have everlasting life in Heaven.
"I am the way, the truth and the life. No man may enter heaven except through me."

Also Jesus is also referred to as the Lamb... His Sacrifice removed the need of our sacrificing an animal to God for our fogiveness... now we pray to have those sins removed.

Don't Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the SAME GOD. What's the problem?The method of Worship. I would suggest all Jewish and Muslim faiths to supply their answers since I am woefully uneducated in those religions and might give wrong info.

If you can't get into heaven without "accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour", does that mean every child who lives in a situation/country where he/she's never heard of the man goes straight to hell?Unfortunatly... yes. which is why there are Missionaries, and with the widespread use of television/radio, the Word is getting out to more people every day... the only thing holding it back is Government Censorship and people's sceptisism.

If god has a plan for all of us, and everything happens for his reasons... what's the problem with abortion? Appearantly it was god's plan to kill the little fetus. Same with all those automobile accidents, cancers, typhoons, corporate mergers, and presidential elections.God has a plan for all of us... but because of free will, and Satan, those plans don't always come to fruition. and how do you know that most of your examples are not part of God's plan?

Hmm. That ought to stir up some kind of backlash and/or agreement.

Enjoy,
-His most excellent Protector of Wecter.
[digs foxholes and invites Wecter use one when the incoming flame hits.]

I figure in the long run, this sole isn't for sale. Not to god, and not to the devil. It's mine. I like my shoes. Deal with that. However I would be willing to part with a large city in Korea, if they've enough cash.

What about Indian religions? I'm pretty sure tales of Old Man Coyote predate Jesus. What about Greek and Roman THEOLOGY. It's only becomes mythology when people stop believing. How long till it's referred to as christian mythology?

Buddhism is cool because there's no god in it. It's just a suggestion of ways to be nice.

I think there was a book called "Why bad things happen to good people". It put out three assumptions, only two of which could possibly be true about god. 1. He wants the best for us. 2. He is all knowing/all seeing. 3. He is all powerful. Based on the books reasoning, number 3 is the one that could go without destroying monotheism.

There's a short story that I like immensely called "The Deathbird" by Harlan Ellison. It suggests that maybe we only believe god is the good guy because he handled all the subsequent PR releases. That man is the ultimate power on earth, but we live in fear because of those PR releases (bible/ministry). He also has a short story that suggests Jesus and Prometheus were lovers.

I figure this. This life is all I know. So this life is all I can react to. I'll do my best for this life. I didn't sign up for a second one.

I figure in the long run, this sole isn't for sale. Not to god, and not to the devil. It's mine. I like my shoes. Deal with that. However I would be willing to part with a large city in Korea, if they've enough cash.as long as you are happy with it...

What about Indian religions? I'm pretty sure tales of Old Man Coyote predate Jesus. What about Greek and Roman THEOLOGY. It's only becomes mythology when people stop believing. How long till it's referred to as christian mythology?that's right... but notice that Greek and Roman Theology had the Gods as flawed as Humans (jeolousy, anger, breaking of promises, making mistakes...) Would you worship beings as flawed as yourself?

I figure this. This life is all I know. So this life is all I can react to. I'll do my best for this life. I didn't sign up for a second one.Don't worry, if you didn't "sign up for a second one" then you won't get the second life. God won't take the unwilling nor the unbelievers.

Also, we celebrate Mary's pregnancy on Dec. 8th, and the birth of Jesus on Dec. 24. Either he was born after half a month, or over a year...

Yeah, but the only reason we celebrate them on those days is because the 8th was the start of the "new year celebration" of pagan times.

The "heathens" of old europe, especially britain used to celebrate that winter was now past it's worst and the new crops and food would soon be available. 25th was around the time when the main feast was held.

Christians found it easier to change why a festival was held than to change the entire religious system.

wow-I did not know Mary had a C section. Where does it say that anyway?

Thank you. You're the first person to ever acknowledge that if you want to just experience an eternal blink, you can.

I wouldn't worship regardless. I don't think there's anything in existence worthy of worship. However, I would find those gods more realistic. Especially since... we are created in their image.

(Joke of mine) God ruined women for us. He may have created man in his image, but he certaintly didn't create us in his proportion. Think about it, guys! When you're having sex with your woman... who's name is she calling? "oh god", right?

Blame wintertime Christmas on Emperor Constantine. Wanted to make Christianity the official religion on his empire... only way he could make it work was to combine it with the pagan holidays already enjoyed by the masses. German pagan holiday... involving... a tree. Oooooo.

Check out my nation's motto. We have created religions, right? God exists.

Edit: By the way, Virgin Mary is Virgin because uncertain people were born without those sexual... you know... things. This was known in Ancient Greek and Rome (if memory serves correctly. )

Nice nation. My motto works well for mine, although I'm being nice to the my citizens at the moment.

There's a bit of a problem with the whole 'virgin Mary' thing. The lineage given to Jesus goes through Joseph, not Mary. How could Joseph have contributed while Mary remained a virgin? It doesn't work.

as long as you are happy with it...

that's right... but notice that Greek and Roman Theology had the Gods as flawed as Humans (jeolousy, anger, breaking of promises, making mistakes...) Would you worship beings as flawed as yourself?
Better then worshipping the mass murdering psycho desert deity from the Bible.

It seems this board has gone the way of religious discussion... so I just want to ask a few questions. Things that have bugged me.

OK, I'll give it a go as a non-Christian (atheist, actually) who's come across a lot of these debates both here and offline.

If Mary was a virigin conception... does that mean when Jesus was born he had to rip his way through her hymen? I just laugh everytime I visualize a baby bumping up against that thing.

God removed the hymen somehow, maybe. Can't really comment on this one.

If we can trade our souls for anything... can I trade my soul for a better soul? Or how about a free pass into heaven? Or can I trade for the devil's soul?

You can only trade your soul for that which it is in within Satan's power to grant. I'm assuming that giving you another soul lies outside his jurisdiction.

If man was created as is... what about dinosaurs, neanderthals, the ice age, and pangea?

Repeat after me: I didn't just say this. I do not want another one of those big-ass running around in circles creationism vs evolution threads. This comment never happened. Nothing to see here. Move along, folks.

If Christ's death washed away all the sins of mankind, so that we can now go to heaven... why should I worry about what I do? You just said I have a free pass.

Jesus's action negated the need for sacrifice, there's still the need for repentance.

Don't Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the SAME GOD. What's the problem?

Same God, different prophets. The prophets portray the God in question quite differently. Therein lies the problem.

If you can't get into heaven without "accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour", does that mean every child who lives in a situation/country where he/she's never heard of the man goes straight to hell?

Depends on the theology. Some say so, others would argue they go to limbo. Some would say there is no hell at all. Some would say they go to heaven, what contradiction, I see no contradiction lalalalalalala.

If god has a plan for all of us, and everything happens for his reasons... what's the problem with abortion? Appearantly it was god's plan to kill the little fetus. Same with all those automobile accidents, cancers, typhoons, corporate mergers, and presidential elections.

The free will clause. Free will lies outside of God's omnipotence, and thus outside of his plan. Typhoonsa are part of the plan, granted, but those who believe in an interventionist God would have no problem with this.

Hmm. That ought to stir up some kind of backlash and/or agreement.


Well this was neither but I hope it shed some light on the matter. If you're really interested in this I'd suggest reading up on theology and philosophy of religion (I recommend the Blackwell Companion to Philosophy of Religion as a starter). There's some fascinating attempts to square the seemingly contradictory out there. Seriously, it's a really interesting subject if you're really curious about it.

Better then worshipping the mass murdering psycho desert deity from the Bible.Yeah, the Greek/Roman Gods never destroyed cities... oh wait... they did... well, they did it for better reasons then being full of sin... oh they destroyed cities out of jelousy... or bitter rivalry... well, at lest they never cursed people... like Archine... Hey, they never came down and raped our women... no they did that lots of times too... sorry, how is worshipping them better?

that's right... but notice that Greek and Roman Theology had the Gods as flawed as Humans (jeolousy, anger, breaking of promises, making mistakes...) Would you worship beings as flawed as yourself?


Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, the Greek/Roman Gods never destroyed cities... oh wait... they did... well, they did it for better reasons then being full of sin... oh they destroyed cities out of jelousy... or bitter rivalry... well, at lest they never cursed people... like Archine... Hey, they never came down and raped our women... no they did that lots of times too... sorry, how is worshipping them better?
They didn't start religiouse wars.

They didn't start religiouse wars.oh yes they did!

Ever wonder why Greek and Roman Gods seem familiar?

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! So... who do you worship and hope you're understanding when they Piss on you because they're in a bad mood or are drunk or because they felt like it.

oh yes they did! Ever wonder why Greek and Roman Gods seem familiar?

Oh no they didn't. According to legend Aeneas led survivors from Troy to Italy. And they became the ancestors of the Latins. And hence the Romans. The Trojan war wasn't a war of religion.

Oh no they didn't. According to legend Aeneas led survivors from Troy to Italy. And they became the ancestors of the Latins. And hence the Romans. The Trojan war wasn't a war of religion.never mentioned the Trojan War. and Rome (also according to legend) was founded by Romus.

However, when Alexander conquored Rome, he instilled the Greek Pathieon into Roman Culture.

however that too isn't what I was refereing to...

both have Aries and Mars... the God(s) of War/Battles. To them all battles were Holy ones because it honored their respective God of War.

never mentioned the Trojan War. and Rome (also according to legend) was founded by Romus.
I didn't say they founded Rome. And the founders names were Romulus and his brother Remus.

However, when Alexander conquored Rome, he instilled the Greek Pathieon into Roman Culture.
LOL Alexander never conquered Rome. The Greeks had lived in Italy centuries before Alexander was born.

both have Aries and Mars... the God(s) of War/Battles. To them all battles were Holy ones because it honored their respective God of War.
No. Thats not a war over religion. The Trojan war, for example, wasn't about pleasing Ares. Since the Trojans were Greeks themselves and had the same Gods. Only X-tians and Muzzies have had religouse wars. The my God can beat up your God sort of war.

I've read up on some Heschel, Dostoyevsky, Lewis, and even Hesse. Grew up attending a Weslyan church (protestant), study history and linguistics. Veteran of the plethora of debates you survive when your family is religious and you're not. Still come to the conclusion that I don't know everything. Neither does anyone else. So nobody knows what they're talking about because none of us have ever been dead.

Let's all join in a chorus of "I don't know. I don't care. I'll figure it out when it's pertinent."

No, you just think that you think too much. You follow a dogma just as rigid as Christians, and you believe that christians don't want you to think.

Good questions. Here are the answers that I have for them.

If Mary was a virigin conception... does that mean when Jesus was born he had to rip his way through her hymen? I just laugh everytime I visualize a baby bumping up against that thing.

Not necessarily. After all, the hyman can be broken by other things besides sex. I seem to remember that riding a horse can do it pretty well.

If we can trade our souls for anything... can I trade my soul for a better soul? Or how about a free pass into heaven? Or can I trade for the devil's soul?

Sorry, no returns or trade-ins. The one you got now is the one that you're stuck with. So don't mess it up.

If man was created as is... what about dinosaurs, neanderthals, the ice age, and pangea?

Well, you're ignoring the other major part of Genesis, the Flood. Most of that stuff gets explained fairly easily by that. Suffice it to say that before the Flood, the vast majority of the world had a very different climate, and the Flood changed that. It took a few centuries for the earth to absorb the massive change, so the dinosaurs died out, the ice age happened, etc. As for the Neanderthals, that is easily explained by rickets or other vitamin deficency. This is a very general treatment of the subject, so TG me if you have other questions.

If Christ's death washed away all the sins of mankind, so that we can now go to heaven... why should I worry about what I do? You just said I have a free pass.

Sure you just got yourself into heaven, but that's not all there is. Any screw-ups here on earth affect how it goes for you here. The Bible also promises that we will have new bodies in heaven, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to cut my arm off because it really doesn't matter. Same sort of idea. Some people also speculate that while believing in Christ gets you into heaven, that there are also other rewards handed out in heaven based on how we acted on earth.

Don't Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the SAME GOD. What's the problem?

Jews and Christians yes, Musliims no. While the Muslims try to claim the Jewish prophets as their own, the give different accounts of what happened and what was taught. Plus the charicteristics of the dieties involved also are very different.

If you can't get into heaven without "accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour", does that mean every child who lives in a situation/country where he/she's never heard of the man goes straight to hell?

The general theory is that God does not hold us accountable for our sins until we are mature enough to realize that what we are doing is wrong. This covers kids who have never heard the Gospel as well as those who die as infants in Christian countries. As for the adults, the old phrase "ignorance of the law is no excuse" applies.

If god has a plan for all of us, and everything happens for his reasons... what's the problem with abortion? Appearantly it was god's plan to kill the little fetus. Same with all those automobile accidents, cancers, typhoons, corporate mergers, and presidential elections.

You are ignoring the concept of free will. If you ignore that, then morality goes out the window too. While God does not like a lot of the things that happen here on earth, He still will not violate our free will. He repects us too much to do that. Besides, just think about what you know about the Bible, and think what would happen if God intervened in every situation. Do you really want that? You would no longer have any control over anything.

Nice questions. If you have any more, just TG me. I like this kind of stuff.