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People who think they know God bug me...

Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 10:48
It seems that in so many of these forums, people will be arguing about this or that, and all of a sudden some idiot comes along and says something like, "God would have..." or "God is about..." or "It's my belief in my God that makes me think..." and so on.

Screw these people.

I haven't met a person who knows God. Religion in the opiate of the Masses.

Religion whould be abandoned and outlawed. Let's shoot anyone who brings up God, The Lord, Allah, and all the rest, in the face. Then let's laugh at the emptiness of their heads. We should have nothing but ideas. Something less fixed that Beliefs and Religion.

Baaaaaaahhhh.

Stupid sheep.
Czecho-Slavakia
28-12-2004, 10:50
It seems that in so many of these forums, people will be arguing about this or that, and all of a sudden some idiot comes along and says something like, "God would have..." or "God is about..." or "It's my belief in my God that makes me think..." and so on.

Screw these people.

I haven't met a person who knows God. Religion in the opiate of the Masses.

Religion whould be abandoned and outlawed. We should have nothing but ideas. Something less fixed that Beliefs and Religion.


Baaaaaaahhhh.

Stupid sheep.


people like you make me ashamed to be alive...

im not religious, but a belief is NOT something you outlaw. having a hope in life is not a crime.

asswiping hobo [/flame]
Matalatataka
28-12-2004, 10:50
I met God once. He told me we were all FUCKED!
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 10:56
There is no God.


It's your Ego that makes you crave, need, beg for there to be something else out there.

We're just HERE. Now. Nothing else.

What does God give us but false hope and a blindness to the reality of the world?
Dostanuot Loj
28-12-2004, 10:58
There is no God.


It's your Ego that makes you crave, need, beg for there to be something else out there.

We're just HERE. Now. Nothing else.

What does God give us but false hope and a blindness to the reality of the world?


Now, the obvious religious argument to this is..
Prove it.

Since that is your belief, then by outlawing beliefs as you stated earlier, you outlaw this belief as well.
Making you a hyprcrate.

Welecome to Paradoxes.
Czecho-Slavakia
28-12-2004, 11:00
There is no God.


It's your Ego that makes you crave, need, beg for there to be something else out there.

We're just HERE. Now. Nothing else.

What does God give us but false hope and a blindness to the reality of the world?


sure, you could get all freudian and scientific about it, but the fact is that 96% of the world is religous because they want to believe a future, and therefore it gives life a meaning.

live and let die, my non-emotional friend, live and let die.
Neo-Anarchists
28-12-2004, 11:03
I met God once. He told me we were all FUCKED!

I met him. We had a long conversation about cars. Did you know he drives an old Toyota pickup? He said it cost him next to nothing, and it's lasted for years without breaking down!

Right about then was when the pills started to wear off.
:p
Czecho-Slavakia
28-12-2004, 11:05
I met him. We had a long conversation about cars. Did you know he drives an old Toyota pickup? He said it cost him next to nothing, and it's lasted for years without breaking down!

Right about then was when the pills started to wear off.
:p


toyota, eh?


i couldve sworn he was a hummer guy.
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 11:06
Oh I'm very emotional.


And I just think that the belief in GOD should be eliminated. You can believe the sky is purple all you want, nobody cares.

Why should it make any difference the God seems to think something, or that you think something about God. Screw people who bring their belief adn religiousness into the world outside of themselves.

Keep your God to yourself.

If someone asks you about your God, then feel free to talk about it, in hushed voices so no one overhears you. Otherwise, Shut up.
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 11:07
Gods always there when I get a hummer.
Czecho-Slavakia
28-12-2004, 11:08
why the hell would you join if your not even into nationstates?

get the fuck out you lingering dips.
Amall Madnar
28-12-2004, 11:10
i couldve sworn he was a hummer guy.

That means God is totally my kind of person....

He's just gotta drop that god damn "creationism" and "gay" crap.... If he landed a few dozen presice lightening bolts, he could fix it all....
Matalatataka
28-12-2004, 11:13
Oh I'm very emotional.


And I just think that the belief in GOD should be eliminated. You can believe the sky is purple all you want, nobody cares.

Why should it make any difference the God seems to think something, or that you think something about God. Screw people who bring their belief adn religiousness into the world outside of themselves.

Keep your God to yourself.

If someone asks you about your God, then feel free to talk about it, in hushed voices so no one overhears you. Otherwise, Shut up.


Dude, lighten up.
You're right - nobody cares. That's why there are so many long and drawn out posts concerning religion.
If you don't want to hear/read people talking about their beliefs then move into a cave. Otherwise - LIGHTEN UP!
Dostanuot Loj
28-12-2004, 11:19
Oh I'm very emotional.


And I just think that the belief in GOD should be eliminated. You can believe the sky is purple all you want, nobody cares.

Why should it make any difference the God seems to think something, or that you think something about God. Screw people who bring their belief adn religiousness into the world outside of themselves.

Keep your God to yourself.

If someone asks you about your God, then feel free to talk about it, in hushed voices so no one overhears you. Otherwise, Shut up.

I hope you're aware that you are doing everything you oppose here.
Your belief in the existance of "God" is what you are spouting, so your argument just destroys itself.
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 11:20
Dude, lighten up.
You're right - nobody cares. That's why there are so many long and drawn out posts concerning religion.
If you don't want to hear/read people talking about their beliefs then move into a cave. Otherwise - LIGHTEN UP!


More than likely, if I did that someone would probably come along and bomb me. And i think that it would make the world a better place if we left religion alone. Leave it at home when you go out. And I hate it when people want to tell me that they're right because God says so.

Telling people to lighten up about religion is like telling someone with a lobotomy that their brain will grow back.

I should be telling people to lighten up in every forum every time they talk about God this and God that? Talk about a way to piss people off.
Matalatataka
28-12-2004, 11:23
...
I should be telling people to lighten up in every forum every time they talk about God this and God that? Talk about a way to piss people off.


Dude! Pissing people off is what the Internet is all about! That and porn.
Laerod
28-12-2004, 11:23
It seems that in so many of these forums, people will be arguing about this or that, and all of a sudden some idiot comes along and says something like, "God would have..." or "God is about..." or "It's my belief in my God that makes me think..." and so on.

Screw these people.

I haven't met a person who knows God. Religion in the opiate of the Masses.

Religion whould be abandoned and outlawed. Let's shoot anyone who brings up God, The Lord, Allah, and all the rest, in the face. Then let's laugh at the emptiness of their heads. We should have nothing but ideas. Something less fixed that Beliefs and Religion.

Baaaaaaahhhh.

Stupid sheep.
Banning religion is just another opiate for the masses. Take a look at China. They hunt religion with as much fervor as the Catholics hunted heretics in ages long past.
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 11:23
I hope you're aware that you are doing everything you oppose here.
Your belief in the existance of "God" is what you are spouting, so your argument just destroys itself.


I'm not spouting anything about my beliefs in God. In fact, I do have certain ideas about what God might be and how it might exist.

But I'm not going to tell you about that crap because their my ideas, and certainly not yours. Maybe with a little education you could get close, but you'd never think the same things as I do.

Everyone's God is different. When you're sitting in those pews come Sunday, or wherever you go to share your religion, Take a look around. Can you imagine all those people agreeing on what God is?

Not Bloody likely.
Herrliberg
28-12-2004, 11:27
There is no God.


It's your Ego that makes you crave, need, beg for there to be something else out there.

We're just HERE. Now. Nothing else.

What does God give us but false hope and a blindness to the reality of the world?

It's your personal ego then that makes you not want to believe. It seems that with almost no exception (at least none that I know of) every human being wonders about the existence of himself, his kind, the world, the universe and where it all came from and where it is heading. It seems to be "the reality of the world" as we know it. Why fight it? Accept that we are a sentient being that believes and hopes.
Pax eternal
28-12-2004, 11:31
ah, just let ´em be... If someone want´s to have his idocy hanging out in the open then so be it. Live and let live.
Everyone has a right to have his own opinion about things. And you never know perhaps someone really talks to god... you know... like in the movie "braveheart" that funny irish guy with the aditute... reality is what we make it to be.
Dostanuot Loj
28-12-2004, 11:31
I'm not spouting anything about my beliefs in God. In fact, I do have certain ideas about what God might be and how it might exist.

But I'm not going to tell you about that crap because their my ideas, and certainly not yours. Maybe with a little education you could get close, but you'd never think the same things as I do.

Everyone's God is different. When you're sitting in those pews come Sunday, or wherever you go to share your religion, Take a look around. Can you imagine all those people agreeing on what God is?

Not Bloody likely.

First off, you are spouting it. You believe the idea of what a God is should not be openly discussed, this being a belief of yours related to an idea of god, and thus discussing it. So you're just contradicting yourself.

Secondly, thank you oh so much for that semi-hidden personal hit in the second paragraph. Perhaps I can rebuke and ask if you ever passed High School? Oh wait, I know nothing of your education level, nor do you know of mine, let alone do either side have any right to assume and insult such a topic. Stooping to insults in any kind of "intellectual" discussion is a bad idea, and is hardly a sign of education.

Finally, you make the assumption that everyone practises an organised religion, or that everyone believs a simmilar idea of what a god is. I'm sitting down contemplating one of my gods right now, I do it when I bike, drive, ordo anything. I consider my gods even when I don;t think about them.
I'll let you in on something so you don;t make some of these mistakes later.
I believe that the idea of a god is just a way to pay respect to the laws of physics and nature. And I thus give these laws names and personalities related to their attributes, and pay them respect in a religious way. Because after all, without them we wouldn't exist.

If you truely wish to ban the idea of a god, or it's discussion, you're just banning science.
Robbopolis
28-12-2004, 11:31
Seems to me that if we're going to ban religion, then we should ban philosophy too. After all, their both based on things that we can postulate but not prove. Oh, we can get all scientific and pschological, but that leaves us with some prospects that I doubt you are willing to carry to their logical conclusions. Stuff like: there is nothing but the material universe, I'm nothing but a cosmic accident and pile of chemicals, there is no free will, only chemical and psychological conditioning, etc.... And we wonder why we have such trouble teaching morality, meaning, and self-esteem in this country (USA). Personally, while I acknowledge that I'm taking a large leap with the assumption of religion, I find that once I do, the vast majority of the rest of the world falls neatly into place when I do so. I find this to be perfectly reasonable.

And don't say that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm both deeply religious/spiritual and a philosophy major.
Goed Twee
28-12-2004, 11:37
Seems to me that if we're going to ban religion, then we should ban philosophy too. After all, their both based on things that we can postulate but not prove. Oh, we can get all scientific and pschological, but that leaves us with some prospects that I doubt you are willing to carry to their logical conclusions. Stuff like: there is nothing but the material universe, I'm nothing but a cosmic accident and pile of chemicals, there is no free will, only chemical and psychological conditioning, etc.... And we wonder why we have such trouble teaching morality, meaning, and self-esteem in this country (USA). Personally, while I acknowledge that I'm taking a large leap with the assumption of religion, I find that once I do, the vast majority of the rest of the world falls neatly into place when I do so. I find this to be perfectly reasonable.

And don't say that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm both deeply religious/spiritual and a philosophy major.


Many people wish to believe in something.

However, united love, understanding, and equality have never been good for advancing one's ego and belief in their superiority.

Too many people care about "I'm right and your wrong..."
Jenn Jenn Land
28-12-2004, 11:38
First of all, I can't even begin to explain what personal liberties you'd be stepping on in outlawing religion.
And secondly, as you said, people are SHEEP. They'd easily find a replacement for religion.
A lot of bad comes out of religion, but so does a lot of good. Like charities. And, I know this sounds funny because most people walk out of a religious experience brainwashed, it DOES provoke thinking. Which is something a lot of people don't do anymore.
And gosh, you're no better than them. Everyone has some thinking of the higher power, whether it's atheism or christianity or buddhism or paganism. But the point is atheism is also a religion, so in "making religion illegal" you... really wouldn't be accomplishing anything, other than brainwashing people in a different light. It's human nature to question what lies after death, how we were created, ect. So in a way, you'd almost be turning people into animals with no sense of right and wrong.
Stormforge
28-12-2004, 11:38
I just spoke to God. He says you need to calm down. He also says you shouldn't actively speak out against him. You probably don't like it when you are proselytized to. Why would the rest of us enjoy it?
DemonLordEnigma
28-12-2004, 11:50
I know God personally. I drugged him, stabbed him to death, and buried him in my backyard.

Now, I just wonder how many more times I can use that joke.
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 11:53
I'm not suggesting that we search out and destroy everyone who has a belief. Just those people who want to bring it out like a weapon, brandish and force us all to listen to it. And I'll go into any debate anyone wants to, about philosophy and existence. I just don't want anyone saying to me, My God makes me right. My God makes my beliefs right. My religion tells me to therefore I believe...

I consider myself very religious. And my own belief in God is unconquerable. But I don't want to talk about it. If someone asks me, I try not to go into too many details.

And I never use God as an excuse not to think.

And as for charties being one of the reasons for churches being good, how can you compare that to Genocide due to religion. In avery age, every decade, some people has been wiped out because their faith differed from the guy next door.

If we just left it at home, we could go out and meet the neighbours.
Neo-Anarchists
28-12-2004, 11:53
I know God personally. I drugged him, stabbed him to death, and buried him in my backyard.

Now, I just wonder how many more times I can use that joke.

When a disgruntled God groupie comes along and drugs you, stabs you to death, and buries you in their backyard, you'll know that you could have used it about 1 less time.
:p
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 11:54
I know God personally. I drugged him, stabbed him to death, and buried him in my backyard.

Now, I just wonder how many more times I can use that joke.


Good for you!! Keep him there!! ( And get his head for a trophy if you can. That would be cool.)
Jenn Jenn Land
28-12-2004, 11:55
I just spoke to God. He says you need to calm down. He also says you shouldn't actively speak out against him. You probably don't like it when you are proselytized to. Why would the rest of us enjoy it?
I'm guessing your joking, but just in case you're not...
There are plenty of Biblical instances of man openly questioning God and God not getting pissed off.
Like Job. Like Moses. Like almost every Biblical character, O.T. and N.T.
Matalatataka
28-12-2004, 11:58
Congrats, Lucretian Nephilim, you've started another religion thread! Was this your true intention all along? You a sneaky one! If not, better go get a moderator to lock it down quick.
Dostanuot Loj
28-12-2004, 12:02
I'm not suggesting that we search out and destroy everyone who has a belief. Just those people who want to bring it out like a weapon, brandish and force us all to listen to it. And I'll go into any debate anyone wants to, about philosophy and existence. I just don't want anyone saying to me, My God makes me right. My God makes my beliefs right. My religion tells me to therefore I believe...

I consider myself very religious. And my own belief in God is unconquerable. But I don't want to talk about it. If someone asks me, I try not to go into too many details.

And I never use God as an excuse not to think.

And as for charties being one of the reasons for churches being good, how can you compare that to Genocide due to religion. In avery age, every decade, some people has been wiped out because their faith differed from the guy next door.

If we just left it at home, we could go out and meet the neighbours.


Well, I'm still waiting.
But while i wait.
Do you not realise you're bringing this belief of how you think the open discussion of a god out and "brandishing it as a weapon". Again I state, you're contradicting yourself.

Again I will state, this is your BELIEF in how the subject of a GOD should be discussed. Thus, it is your belief in the subject of god.
And since this belief states that the eubject of god should not be openly discussed, you are just breaking this belief by bringing it to the world, openly stating it.
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 12:04
I'm guessing your joking, but just in case you're not...
There are plenty of Biblical instances of man openly questioning God and God not getting pissed off.
Like Job. Like Moses. Like almost every Biblical character, O.T. and N.T.


The whole point of Job is that he doesn't question God. In that story, Job loses everything on a bet God has with Satan. Talk about a raw deal.
Makatoto
28-12-2004, 12:09
I think of myself as foolish enough to think that 'brandishing God as a weapon' comes under the ehading of 'Freedom of Speech'. As you cannot prove or disprove God's existence, then it seems pointless to ban it. I ban qwertyuiops. Do they exist? Who knows. But I've banned them. See how pointless that is? If we are to allow people to be truly free, then they must be allowed to 'enslave' themselves in religion. it gives people's lives structure and rules to focus on. I am an athiest, but there are many lessons from all religions that apply to any decent person.

Anyway, on the subject of Buhddists, I thought they don't believe in God? Therefore they can't 'brandish him like a weapon'
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 12:17
Well, I'm still waiting.
But while i wait.
Do you not realise you're bringing this belief of how you think the open discussion of a god out and "brandishing it as a weapon". Again I state, you're contradicting yourself.

Again I will state, this is your BELIEF in how the subject of a GOD should be discussed. Thus, it is your belief in the subject of god.
And since this belief states that the eubject of god should not be openly discussed, you are just breaking this belief by bringing it to the world, openly stating it.


Ok, I'll admit that there are some religions in the world where it is a part of the religions to go out and talk about the religion, (7th Day Adventists I'm pretty sure) So for people of those faiths tuning in here, you'll never agree with me. Go away. if you think that you have to share your faith to take part in your religion, then there's nothing I can do but avoid you. Or consider you a cult.

We make this distinctino between cults and religions becasue we don't like cults. We don't like their values. Religion is hypocritical.

But if you want to do it, good. In fact I dream of a world where everyone is sure of their religious beliefs. But that dream also holds that people will still be completely open to dogmatic change. and that anyone who wants to not think about religion, anyone who just wants to go through life focused on existing, well, they can do that without people using religion against them, and forcing their western Judeo-Christian ethics upon them. you never hear about Buddhists running around screaming "Join us or your soul is in Jepoardy!" That's the beauty of Occidental religions.
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 12:23
I'd just like to go on the record. Have I once in this thread said anything about my own beliefs other than that I have some? I think that's the real point I'm trying to make.
Dostanuot Loj
28-12-2004, 12:27
Ok, I'll admit that there are some religions in the world where it is a part of the religions to go out and talk about the religion, (7th Day Adventists I'm pretty sure) So for people of those faiths tuning in here, you'll never agree with me. Go away. if you think that you have to share your faith to take part in your religion, then there's nothing I can do but avoid you. Or consider you a cult.

We make this distinctino between cults and religions becasue we don't like cults. We don't like their values. Religion is hypocritical.

But if you want to do it, good. In fact I dream of a world where everyone is sure of their religious beliefs. But that dream also holds that people will still be completely open to dogmatic change. and that anyone who wants to not think about religion, anyone who just wants to go through life focused on existing, well, they can do that without people using religion against them, and forcing their western Judeo-Christian ethics upon them. you never hear about Buddhists running around screaming "Join us or your soul is in Jepoardy!" That's the beauty of Occidental religions.


Unfortunatly, you didn't address my statement.
And another little factoid, there is no difference between religion and cult, so I don't care what you use for a term.

As to your most recent statement there, there is a thing called freedom of speach. And there is also a thing called ignoring people.
It has been said before in other threads something along the lines of "If your beliefs are so weak that you can't stand other people questioning or arguing with them, then perhaps you should change them?"
And I see that applies here.
It seems like you think that this talk should be banned because it questions your beliefs. Well, everyone has to put up with it,it's life. Instead of banning it, join it. Question their beliefs.

Also, you said there is no god. The later said you believe in one. Again with the contradictions.
Makatoto
28-12-2004, 12:29
I'd just like to go on the record. Have I once in this thread said anything about my own beliefs other than that I have some? I think that's the real point I'm trying to make.

I thought the real point you were trying to make was to ban public religion. My bad....
imported_Wilf
28-12-2004, 12:32
It seems that in so many of these forums, people will be arguing about this or that, and all of a sudden some idiot comes along and says something like, "God would have..." or "God is about..." or "It's my belief in my God that makes me think..." and so on.

Screw these people.

I haven't met a person who knows God. Religion in the opiate of the Masses.

Religion whould be abandoned and outlawed. Let's shoot anyone who brings up God, The Lord, Allah, and all the rest, in the face. Then let's laugh at the emptiness of their heads. We should have nothing but ideas. Something less fixed that Beliefs and Religion.

Baaaaaaahhhh.

Stupid sheep.

sounds like you like playing god too
Dostanuot Loj
28-12-2004, 12:36
I'd just like to go on the record. Have I once in this thread said anything about my own beliefs other than that I have some? I think that's the real point I'm trying to make.

Here's a list of comments where you've stated something that you believe.

I haven't met a person who knows God. Religion in the opiate of the Masses.
We should have nothing but ideas. Something less fixed that Beliefs and Religion.

Baaaaaaahhhh.

Stupid sheep.

There is no God.


It's your Ego that makes you crave, need, beg for there to be something else out there.

We're just HERE. Now. Nothing else.

What does God give us but false hope and a blindness to the reality of the world?

And I just think that the belief in GOD should be eliminated.

Screw people who bring their belief adn religiousness into the world outside of themselves.

Keep your God to yourself.

If someone asks you about your God, then feel free to talk about it, in hushed voices so no one overhears you. Otherwise, Shut up.

And i think that it would make the world a better place if we left religion alone.

Telling people to lighten up about religion is like telling someone with a lobotomy that their brain will grow back.

I should be telling people to lighten up in every forum every time they talk about God this and God that? Talk about a way to piss people off.

In fact, I do have certain ideas about what God might be and how it might exist.

Everyone's God is different. When you're sitting in those pews come Sunday, or wherever you go to share your religion, Take a look around. Can you imagine all those people agreeing on what God is?

Not Bloody likely.

I consider myself very religious. And my own belief in God is unconquerable. But I don't want to talk about it. If someone asks me, I try not to go into too many details.


Note that you go from "There is no god", to "My belief in GOD is unconquerable", and back again, and all over the place.
Neo-Anarchists
28-12-2004, 12:37
Here's a list of comments where you've stated something that you believe.

Note that you go from "There is no god", to "My belief in GOD is unconquerable", and back again, and all over the place.

Of course! It's not like arguments actually need anything like consistancy ...

Oh wait, I forgot.
THEY DO!
:p
New Stamford
28-12-2004, 12:40
God came up to me the other day, and all he said was "Oh, man, this is the guy! You're AWESOME, man!" Then he high fived me.
Czecho-Slavakia
28-12-2004, 12:40
Of course! It's not like arguments actually need anything like consistancy ...

Oh wait, I forgot.
THEY DO!
:p


nah, only the true arguementsneed consistancy, the dumbshit ones dont.

"I think god exists because i can hate him! i love god!"



The thread starter is a big flaming bag of monkey diahreah that should be taken out and shitted on.
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 12:54
Unfortunatly, you didn't address my statement.
And another little factoid, there is no difference between religion and cult, so I don't care what you use for a term.

As to your most recent statement there, there is a thing called freedom of speach. And there is also a thing called ignoring people.
It has been said before in other threads something along the lines of "If your beliefs are so weak that you can't stand other people questioning or arguing with them, then perhaps you should change them?"
And I see that applies here.
It seems like you think that this talk should be banned because it questions your beliefs. Well, everyone has to put up with it,it's life. Instead of banning it, join it. Question their beliefs.

Also, you said there is no god. The later said you believe in one. Again with the contradictions.

Ok, so I can't remember who I'm fighting with about what, so I'm not going back to find out. Lets move on. Or brin it up again gif you think it's crucial.

First off, about the religion cult thing. THAT'S MY POINT. People use the words differently when they mean the same thing. Christianity is a cult. Judaism is a cult. Islam is a cult. All of them are cults. Then why do we have such distinctly different ways of using the word when we're away from our computers out there in the world??

Secondly, Freedom of speech? What world are you living in when you think we have freedom of speech? Yah you can pretty much write what you want here, and you think you can say about anything in America, (although not even that is true. Hence libel and defamation suits.) but the rest of the world isn't AMERICA. And frankly I have no desire to be American. i'd like my own set of values. And I'd like to choose them for myself.

Thirdly, it's not that I find debate about my beliefs in any way bad. And I'd love to talk to someone who could teach me to understand the universe and God better. I'd LOVE that. I just want the time and place of that teaching to be mine. I want to go to someone and ask them if it's alright to talk about religion for a while, and then talk. Not have religion and values thrust upon me. Believe this, These are the laws of God! Screw that. I've never met a law of God.

Lastly, I said the no God thing to get people riled up. I see I succeeded. :p :p :p
Lucretian Nephilim
28-12-2004, 12:58
I've said things about what I think, but I haven't said anything about God. I haven't said whether or not he's real or everywhere or all-knowng or any of that other stuff that comes from pulpits.
Makatoto
28-12-2004, 12:59
Perhaps it's your spelling or use of grammmar, but I'm confused:

Are you saying that only in America is there free speech., or at least the idea of it? If the answer is yes, then I think anyone else can see my counter arguement instantly.
Dostanuot Loj
28-12-2004, 13:09
Ok, so I can't remember who I'm fighting with about what, so I'm not going back to find out. Lets move on. Or brin it up again gif you think it's crucial.

First off, about the religion cult thing. THAT'S MY POINT. People use the words differently when they mean the same thing. Christianity is a cult. Judaism is a cult. Islam is a cult. All of them are cults. Then why do we have such distinctly different ways of using the word when we're away from our computers out there in the world??

Secondly, Freedom of speech? What world are you living in when you think we have freedom of speech? Yah you can pretty much write what you want here, and you think you can say about anything in America, (although not even that is true. Hence libel and defamation suits.) but the rest of the world isn't AMERICA. And frankly I have no desire to be American. i'd like my own set of values. And I'd like to choose them for myself.

Thirdly, it's not that I find debate about my beliefs in any way bad. And I'd love to talk to someone who could teach me to understand the universe and God better. I'd LOVE that. I just want the time and place of that teaching to be mine. I want to go to someone and ask them if it's alright to talk about religion for a while, and then talk. Not have religion and values thrust upon me. Believe this, These are the laws of God! Screw that. I've never met a law of God.

Lastly, I said the no God thing to get people riled up. I see I succeeded. :p :p :p


First off, I'm Canadian, not American. We have free speech here in Canada.
As well as in pretty much every "first world" country I can think of.
So there you go, free speech.
Secondly, if you don;t like what they say. Either ignore them of argue with them, both of them you have a right to do. Unless you live in a theocracy, in which sense, move if you don't like it.

I've said things about what I think, but I haven't said anything about God. I haven't said whether or not he's real or everywhere or all-knowng or any of that other stuff that comes from pulpits.

You asked what things you said that explain what you believe. Not what you believe in a god.
And even there, you said a few things.
Any thought you have and hold to, any religion, anyything you consider "fact" is what you believe.
Jenn Jenn Land
28-12-2004, 13:50
Maybe question was the wrong word. But God and Job definately have a dialogue... and Job's whining quite a bit. God handles it.
Latta
28-12-2004, 13:55
It seems that in so many of these forums, people will be arguing about this or that, and all of a sudden some idiot comes along and says something like, "God would have..." or "God is about..." or "It's my belief in my God that makes me think..." and so on.

Screw these people.

I haven't met a person who knows God. Religion in the opiate of the Masses.

Religion whould be abandoned and outlawed. Let's shoot anyone who brings up God, The Lord, Allah, and all the rest, in the face. Then let's laugh at the emptiness of their heads. We should have nothing but ideas. Something less fixed that Beliefs and Religion.

Baaaaaaahhhh.

Stupid sheep.

It's a free society we live in, people should be allowed to believe in what they want to believe in, and say what they want about what they believe in.
Peechland
28-12-2004, 14:18
Oh I'm very emotional.


And I just think that the belief in GOD should be eliminated. You can believe the sky is purple all you want, nobody cares.

Why should it make any difference the God seems to think something, or that you think something about God. Screw people who bring their belief adn religiousness into the world outside of themselves.

Keep your God to yourself.

If someone asks you about your God, then feel free to talk about it, in hushed voices so no one overhears you. Otherwise, Shut up.


Someone sure is angry..... How dare you say to everyone that they should have no right to exercie what they believe in. If you dont like to hear about religion, then cover you ears or stay away from people who are spiritual. Who the hell are you to judge everyone who doesnt have the same opinion as you? I cant believe you have the audacity to make a statement as this.
Stormforge
28-12-2004, 14:29
I'm guessing your joking, but just in case you're not...
There are plenty of Biblical instances of man openly questioning God and God not getting pissed off.
Like Job. Like Moses. Like almost every Biblical character, O.T. and N.T.

One of my favorite quotes of all time:

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson

The whole point of Job is that he doesn't question God. In that story, Job loses everything on a bet God has with Satan. Talk about a raw deal.
If you believe that then you've missed the point of the Book of Job.
Jeff-O-Matica
28-12-2004, 14:49
Hey Christians! Here's a person who needs God, and he or she is crying for Him. The person writes under the tag of "Lucretian Nephilim."

Poor Lucretian... This person noted, "I haven't met a person who knows God."

Let's pray that he or she meets someone who knows God today.

By the way, Lucretian, if you are still reading any of this text, I know God. I pray that someone in your area of the planet helps you in this regard.

Let me assure you that God wants you to honor Him. You have free will. It is your choice. As for endorsing the murder of people who believe in God, I recommend against posting that in a public forum. Not only is it impolite, there are people who do not believe in God but who do believe in freedom for those of us who do believe. You have made a sociopathological statement. If you truly hold this desire in your heart, then please seek help from a psychoanalyst.
Peechland
28-12-2004, 14:53
Hey Christians! Here's a person who needs God, and he or she is crying for Him. The person writes under the tag of "Lucretian Nephilim."

Poor Lucretian... This person noted, "I haven't met a person who knows God."

Let's pray that he or she meets someone who knows God today.

By the way, Lucretian, if you are still reading any of this text, I know God. I pray that someone in your area of the planet helps you in this regard.

Let me assure you that God wants you to honor Him. You have free will. It is your choice. As for endorsing the murder of people who believe in God, I recommend against posting that in a public forum. Not only is it impolite, there are people who do not believe in God but who do believe in freedom for those of us who do believe. You have made a sociopathological statement. If you truly hold this desire in your heart, then please seek help from a psychoanalyst.

Well this is sure to make him throw a fit of rage....
Stormforge
28-12-2004, 14:58
Well this is sure to make him throw a fit of rage....
A very devout Christian friend of mine once told me, "We're not afraid of the rabid anti-Christians. They're blinded by their anger; we'll get them eventually. It's the people like you [you in this case being me], who sit there and absorb it all and say 'Oh, that's interesting' that are never gonna change."
Bottle
28-12-2004, 14:58
It seems that in so many of these forums, people will be arguing about this or that, and all of a sudden some idiot comes along and says something like, "God would have..." or "God is about..." or "It's my belief in my God that makes me think..." and so on.

Screw these people.

I haven't met a person who knows God. Religion in the opiate of the Masses.

Religion whould be abandoned and outlawed. Let's shoot anyone who brings up God, The Lord, Allah, and all the rest, in the face. Then let's laugh at the emptiness of their heads. We should have nothing but ideas. Something less fixed that Beliefs and Religion.

Baaaaaaahhhh.

Stupid sheep.

i know it's often hard to hang on to your respect for the religious, much as it is to hold on to respect for an adult who professes firm belief in Santa Claus, but please remember that Prohibition was a failure; forbidding people to be religious won't work any better than forbidding them to drink did, and if history is any indicator it will actually increase the numbers of religious addicts.

if you really want to help the religious to overcome their situation, you have to recognize that they are suffering as well as inflicting. lashing out will only help encourage their martyr complexes, and will help them entrench themselves even more firmly in the mire of their illusions. you're basically fighting against yourself, the way you are going, and it won't help anybody.

the best way to get rid of religion is to remove the causes. make the world a place where people don't need to turn to religion for happiness. help the religious people you know find meaning and happiness in their lives, and help them to see that they don't need to be dependent on religion to be good and whole people. stage interventions if you need to, but remember that accusatory and attacking efforts will only make the problem worse. remind them they are loved HERE, on Earth, and they don't need to abandon their reason and their connection with the world in order to find love, support, guidance, and meaning.
Rockness
29-12-2004, 00:39
I've never met god, and I doubt if he exists, but if it turns out he does I don't want to meet him anyway.