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*I always said that Bush was Osamas best recruitment tool ever

The two French journalists who were held hostage in Iraq for four months have revealed their captors wished for the re-election of President Bush because they believed it could help build the Iraq resistance movement. One of the journalists cited one of their captors as saying "We want Bush because with him the American troops will stay in Iraq and that way we will be able to develop."
democracynow.org

Which is... just plain scary. ::shudders::

I say a whole ton of us stage a coup. Just like the good old days in Russia.

theres a nice non-bias site.. ill wait till a little more credible news source reports on it.. like CNN.

and as much as osama bin ladin might like the idea of bush being in power.. as do i. CAuse i can rest asured, IF the time comes for action to be Taken bush is less likely to hesitate in the face of a crisis.. not even if his political career is on the line.. like jumping into an unpoplar war.

In my eyes.. people willing to risk their careers for what they belive is right, is the mark of true leadership.. a quality few politicans hold.

Please post the link to the actual article. I'd be interested to see it, and I can't find anything on democracynow.org

Btw, Bush didn't risk any political capital with the Iraq war. 2/3rds of the US population supported his efforts in March of 2003. It's only now after his mishandling of the diplomatic and military efforts that a minority, 43% in the most recent Gallup poll, support the war.

Which is... just plain scary. ::shudders::

I say a whole ton of us stage a coup. Just like the good old days in Russia.
the Bushs are a global scourge

theres a nice non-bias site.. ill wait till a little more credible news source reports on it.. like CNN.

and as much as osama bin ladin might like the idea of bush being in power.. as do i. CAuse i can rest asured, IF the time comes for action to be Taken bush is less likely to hesitate in the face of a crisis.. not even if his political career is on the line.. like jumping into an unpoplar war.

In my eyes.. people willing to risk their careers for what they belive is right, is the mark of true leadership.. a quality few politicans hold.
democracynow is far more credable then CNN--Bush didnt take action to stop 911 cause it served his purpose--Bush is risking his career stealing for his mega-wealthy parasitical friends

Interestingly enough, the Spanish Inquisition believed they were right. Come to think of it, so did Hitler and his SS corps. Now, before you go about saying I'm a liberal idiot or some such rot, let me point out this. I use these examples to state that believing your right doesn't neccessarily mean that you ARE right. Being right is a relative term anyways.

Please post the link to the actual article. I'd be interested to see it, and I can't find anything on democracynow.org

Btw, Bush didn't risk any political capital with the Iraq war. 2/3rds of the US population supported his efforts in March of 2003. It's only now after his mishandling of the diplomatic and military efforts that a minority, 43% in the most recent Gallup poll, support the war.
before the war the majority of people opposed it-only after Bush defied the will of the people and invaded Iraq for no good reason only then did some people support the war cause they stupidly confused supporting our troops with supporting a war based on lies
heres the link to the article:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/27/1515256

Skapedroe, please, stop this bull crap; no one listens to you, because you don't argue with facts backing you up, much like Defensor Fidei, Roach-Busters, and Gen Curtis E LeMay.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/12/24/france.hostage/index.html

"Speaking by telephone from Vichy, France on Friday"

Oh, the irony.

Bush didnt take action to stop 911 cause it served his purpose

So wait, are you telling me Bush knew about 9/11?

So wait, are you telling me Bush knew about 9/11?


*christ* you idiots, im liberal and even i know that such a thing is rediculous. as bad a president he is, i doubt he would allow the death of thousands of americans, just for a excuse to get oil out of iraw and become... rich... well shit, i just made myself disbelieve what i just typed... damn.

Skapedroe, please, stop this bull crap; no one listens to you, because you don't argue with facts backing you up, much like Defensor Fidei, Roach-Busters, and Gen Curtis E LeMay.
the facts are in the links in case you didnt notice

democracynow is far more credable then CNN--Bush didnt take action to stop 911 cause it served his purpose--Bush is risking his career stealing for his mega-wealthy parasitical friends

yep.. democracynow is a pillar of credibal non bias information.. not trying to sway my ideas or give me subjective information.. i guess Rush LImbah's propaganda then is even more credibal then the BBC O.o

From all the evidence ive seen.. he made an exeuctive decision on a critical situation on what he felt was the best solution for the nations security. You telling me this man you proclaim a moron who has no command over the english language can lie so well he fooled all the world into resolution 441 ?

Im still quite sure that resolution concluded (after looking at the same intelegence) that Iraq had the wmd and was required to submit to inspectors whole heartidly or face consequences..

and i belive hans blix himself before the United Nations said Iraq failed to meet those conditions?

what you want to talk about the oil the US was going after.. how bout the oil for food program.. the 8 billion Sadam stole from his people to pay off the French the chinese the germans... thats why they opposed the war. you think they honestly cared about pacifism ? Sure.. after the fact.. we get plenty of perspective dont we.. every side of this whole debate was corrupt in some way.. but the intelegence was soo convincing even congress.. even the dovish democrats backed bush.

some lies.. liberal trash .. unsubstanciated

Better to be wrong and act.. then to be right and do nothing.. If bush was right.. nukes could have been flooding the black market by now.. and with the Germans and the French obviously bought on the security council.. Iraq could be asured of no action against them.

YEah.. he was wrong.. yes he is wrong to continue to avoid that fact.. he makes the mistake even to today.. he should embrase the fact! I hope any president given the same set of circumstances would act the same way. Clinton himself admited he would have.

*christ* you idiots, im liberal and even i know that such a thing is rediculous. as bad a president he is, i doubt he would allow the death of thousands of americans, just for a excuse to get oil out of iraw and become... rich... well shit, i just made myself disbelieve what i just typed... damn.

pearl harbor.presidents have done it before to start wars.why not again?

So wait, are you telling me Bush knew about 9/11?
yes-thats the common knowledge of the day

*christ* you idiots, im liberal and even i know that such a thing is rediculous. as bad a president he is, i doubt he would allow the death of thousands of americans, just for a excuse to get oil out of iraw and become... rich... well shit, i just made myself disbelieve what i just typed... damn.
:D :D :D

pearl harbor.presidents have done it before to start wars.why not again?

lol you people are so obsurd.. but hell why not.. if they let pearl harbor happen to enter WW2.. even though the US had nothing to gain from doing it.. all the better.. 2000 lives are a small price to pay for hitlers death and the rise of the american supremecy. Hell why stop there.. If American presidents can start wars to help keep america safe.. Im all for it.. whatever it takes to keep the enemy out of my backyard.. ANd aparently america is able to do it better then any European was ever able to.. except maybe Ceasar.. The Us has essentially taken control of the world anyway.. the UN is irrelevent without the US.. the US can do what it wants when it wants... and the world is dependent on the success of the american economy.. its great to be a citizen of the strongest nation in the world ~_^ Long live the Republican party (cause its clear the democrats are digging their own graves)

woof.. feels good to get those REpublican jucies flowing ~_^ thanks guys

oh one little ps..

you poor atheists can whine all about your secular governments.. but the christians run this country.. always have.. always will. Democrats have tried to embrace your ideals.. look where it left them.. your gonna see a real change in their tone in the next couple of years.. abanonding their fight for purely secular government.. Long live the holy empire of the United States Bwhahaha

yep.. democracynow is a pillar of credibal non bias information.. not trying to sway my ideas or give me subjective information.. i guess Rush LImbah's propaganda then is even more credibal then the BBC O.o

From all the evidence ive seen.. he made an exeuctive decision on a critical situation on what he felt was the best solution for the nations security. You telling me this man you proclaim a moron who has no command over the english language can lie so well he fooled all the world into resolution 441 ?

Im still quite sure that resolution concluded (after looking at the same intelegence) that Iraq had the wmd and was required to submit to inspectors whole heartidly or face consequences..

and i belive hans blix himself before the United Nations said Iraq failed to meet those conditions?

what you want to talk about the oil the US was going after.. how bout the oil for food program.. the 8 billion Sadam stole from his people to pay off the French the chinese the germans... thats why they opposed the war. you think they honestly cared about pacifism ? Sure.. after the fact.. we get plenty of perspective dont we.. every side of this whole debate was corrupt in some way.. but the intelegence was soo convincing even congress.. even the dovish democrats backed bush.

some lies.. liberal trash .. unsubstanciated

Better to be wrong and act.. then to be right and do nothing.. If bush was right.. nukes could have been flooding the black market by now.. and with the Germans and the French obviously bought on the security council.. Iraq could be asured of no action against them.

YEah.. he was wrong.. yes he is wrong to continue to avoid that fact.. he makes the mistake even to today.. he should embrase the fact! I hope any president given the same set of circumstances would act the same way. Clinton himself admited he would have.
Clinton had a program to eliminate nukes on the black market but Bush the terrorist enabler cut it

lol you people are so obsurd.. but hell why not.. if they let pearl harbor happen to enter WW2.. even though the US had nothing to gain from doing it.. all the better.. 2000 lives are a small price to pay for hitlers death and the rise of the american supremecy. Hell why stop there.. If American presidents can start wars to help keep america safe.. Im all for it.. whatever it takes to keep the enemy out of my backyard.. ANd aparently america is able to do it better then any European was ever able to.. except maybe Ceasar.. The Us has essentially taken control of the world anyway.. the UN is irrelevent without the US.. the US can do what it wants when it wants... and the world is dependent on the success of the american economy.. its great to be a citizen of the strongest nation in the world ~_^ Long live the Republican party (cause its clear the democrats are digging their own graves)

woof.. feels good to get those REpublican jucies flowing ~_^ thanks guys
its republican values in foreign policy that caused all the terrorism in the first place but Bush is actually making the problem worser not better and hes digging americas grave in Iraq

oh one little ps..

you poor atheists can whine all about your secular governments.. but the christians run this country.. always have.. always will. Democrats have tried to embrace your ideals.. look where it left them.. your gonna see a real change in their tone in the next couple of years.. abanonding their fight for purely secular government.. Long live the holy empire of the United States Bwhahaha
mixing religion with politics republicans are turning america into another Iran

*christ* you idiots, im liberal and even i know that such a thing is rediculous. as bad a president he is, i doubt he would allow the death of thousands of americans, just for a excuse to get oil out of iraw and become... rich... well shit, i just made myself disbelieve what i just typed... damn.

I agree... If bush says he wants to help the people then why doesn't he help the phillipines ( or is it indonesia? ) . their economy is very bad at the moment. Bush just wants the oil.

why doesn't he just go and write a check to n.k.?
damn those stupid koreans with nukes and no goddamn oil.

its republican values in foreign policy that caused all the terrorism in the first place but Bush is actually making the problem worser not better and hes digging americas grave in Iraq


Thats right, it's "republican values" that started the 20th century terrorism trend, way back in the '72 Olympics in Munich. And it was those same values that only encouraged the terrorists by pulling US troops out of Somolia and only sending a few cruise missles at some tents in a desert and at a milk factory after the embassies in Africa got bombed.

But its really funny how its the "republican values" in the little fantasy world you've built for yourself that has in the real world actually: liberated Kuwait in '91, liberated the people of Afganistan from the brutal rule of the Taliban, has put a severe beating on Al Queda and denied them a safe refuge, and liberated the people of Iraq from Saddam's regime.

I usually don't comment on MK's threads-they're good for the occasional chuckle, but all the weirdos start posting. But here we go.

1) the US has not and is not a christian nation. Period. Whine and bitch, condemn to hell all you want, it isn't, and there's legal documentation to prove it.

2) Iraq is liberated? Funny, I thought people were still fighting...

*I always said that Bush was Osamas best recruitment tool ever

The two French journalists who were held hostage in Iraq for four months have revealed their captors wished for the re-election of President Bush because they believed it could help build the Iraq resistance movement. One of the journalists cited one of their captors as saying "We want Bush because with him the American troops will stay in Iraq and that way we will be able to develop."
democracynow.org
Yes. I remember hearing this on the Dutch news the day they were released.

oh one little ps..

you poor atheists can whine all about your secular governments.. but the christians run this country.. always have.. always will. Democrats have tried to embrace your ideals.. look where it left them.. your gonna see a real change in their tone in the next couple of years.. abanonding their fight for purely secular government.. Long live the holy empire of the United States Bwhahaha

You know that youre mocking christianity? Allthought it deserves it...


And my point:

"The world shall be more free under my leadership."
-George Walker Bush

why doesn't he just go and write a check to n.k.?
damn those stupid koreans with nukes and no goddamn oil.
they would nuke our ass, or south korea or japan

Awww good old MKULTRA I missed your democracy now copy and paste

and as much as osama bin ladin might like the idea of bush being in power.. as do i. CAuse i can rest asured, IF the time comes for action to be Taken bush is less likely to hesitate in the face of a crisis.. not even if his political career is on the line.. like jumping into an unpoplar war.

In my eyes.. people willing to risk their careers for what they belive is right, is the mark of true leadership.. a quality few politicans hold.

At the time of the Decision, there was overwhelming popular support for the war in Iraq. Something like 80% of the population approved of the idea, and Bush's approval ratings were at all time highs. Anyone who questioned the motivation or delivery (myself included) was treated like a traitor.

He didn't jump into an unpopular war to save the day at the risk of his carreer. He completely screwed up in the execution of a VERY popular war and let it become unpopular. He isn't decisive in the face of a crisis. He is a gladhander that can't handle the running of this country. He took NO risks in deciding to go to war. His career, his money, and his supporters all stood to gain from the action. Only his ineptitude got in the way and put that gain at risk.

and as much as osama bin ladin might like the idea of bush being in power.. as do i. CAuse i can rest asured, IF the time comes for action to be Taken bush is less likely to hesitate in the face of a crisis.. not even if his political career is on the line.. like jumping into an unpoplar war.

In my eyes.. people willing to risk their careers for what they belive is right, is the mark of true leadership.. a quality few politicans hold.
Not hesitate...just like he hasn't hesitated in continuing the 'massive' manhunt for Osama?
What was it he said again?
"I don’t know where he is. Nor — you know, I just don’t spend that much time on him really, to be honest with you. I....I truly am not that concerned about him."

its republican values in foreign policy that caused all the terrorism in the first place but Bush is actually making the problem worser not better and hes digging americas grave in Iraq

Right... so you explain:
The bombing of the WTC in 1993
US Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia bombed in 1996
The US Embassy Bombings in 1998
The USS Cole in 2000

Please open your eyes. The terrorists don't care about Democrats or Republicans. Our very EXISTANCE is anathema to them.

BTW, I'll take firefights in Fallujah over San Francisco anyday.

Right... so you explain:
The bombing of the WTC in 1993
US Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia bombed in 1996
The US Embassy Bombings in 1998
The USS Cole in 2000

Please open your eyes. The terrorists don't care about Democrats or Republicans. Our very EXISTANCE is anathema to them.

BTW, I'll take firefights in Fallujah over San Francisco anyday.
you mgiht want to tell all the people in san francisco that

theres a nice non-bias site.. ill wait till a little more credible news source reports on it.. like CNN.

and as much as osama bin ladin might like the idea of bush being in power.. as do i. CAuse i can rest asured, IF the time comes for action to be Taken bush is less likely to hesitate in the face of a crisis.. not even if his political career is on the line.. like jumping into an unpoplar war.

In my eyes.. people willing to risk their careers for what they belive is right, is the mark of true leadership.. a quality few politicans hold.
agreed, I'd even accept this from the BBC if you wanted to link me to it there.

you mgiht want to tell all the people in san francisco that

Seems I already have, no? :)

Seriously, it's better to fight there than here.

Seems I already have, no? :)

Seriously, it's better to fight there than here.
yeah lets send all the people with guns in san francisco to iraq, and all the people arrested for shooting people

yeah lets send all the people with guns in san francisco to iraq, and all the people arrested for shooting people

So, let me see if I understand you: you'd RATHER have terrorists fighting on American soil than foreign soil?

If so, do me a favor: next time you see a fire on TV, set your house on fire.

The two French journalists who were held hostage in Iraq for four months have revealed their captors wished for the re-election of President Bush because they believed it could help build the Iraq resistance movement
Or it could just be that the terrorists are playing mind-games with us

You know, I've always found the posts by those who believe firmly in the idea of an American superpower that can function as it does without the support of the rest of the world to be both funny and sad at the same time. Funny that their rather ignorant of some economic factors and sad that such a level of arrogance exists. But this is humanity we're talking about so *shrug*.

First off, America is operating at a deficit. And quite a large one at that. For those that don't know what a deficit means, it means in simple terms, your spending more money than you have. A bit like a credit card overusage and the bill hasn't arrived yet. If I'm not mistaken, their also the worlds biggest debtor with a debt about so big.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

So. What happens if every other country stops trading with the US and declares complete sanctions? (Admittedly not a likely event but presume it happens for this example.) According to the supremacists, the other nations would rot while America would be a shining bastion of trade. In reality though, thats not going to happen. America needs foreign trade to survive. Without oil from other countries, its petrochemical industry dies. Without cheap labor from 3rd world and developing countries, much of their businesses will have to rely on local labor and skilled workforce to keep going, which incidently is more expensive. That results in a continuing spiral of inflation with the related goods.

Like it or not, the US economy relies on foreign trade to keep it alive. Shut it down and your going to see a lot of very poor people in America in a decade or less.

The other day, I was walking down the street, and I saw this really pretty flower bush, and I said "Hey, that's a really nice bush!" and all of a sudden, this guy, he ran up with dynomite, and he blew it up, right there in front of me, I almost died, seriously.

Thats right, it's "republican values" that started the 20th century terrorism trend, way back in the '72 Olympics in Munich. And it was those same values that only encouraged the terrorists by pulling US troops out of Somolia and only sending a few cruise missles at some tents in a desert and at a milk factory after the embassies in Africa got bombed.

But its really funny how its the "republican values" in the little fantasy world you've built for yourself that has in the real world actually: liberated Kuwait in '91, liberated the people of Afganistan from the brutal rule of the Taliban, has put a severe beating on Al Queda and denied them a safe refuge, and liberated the people of Iraq from Saddam's regime.
Kuwait is no more free now then they were in 91--Bushs father also put the taliban in power in the first place in Afghanistan--but Bush allowed Osama to escape in case he needed his help again--we freed Iraqis by importing terrorism death destruction and lack of electricity to their lives?

Yes. I remember hearing this on the Dutch news the day they were released.
it was banned news on the corporate occupied rightwing nationalist media in america

Awww good old MKULTRA I missed your democracy now copy and paste
no you just missed dancing on the graves of my old nations heh

Right... so you explain:
The bombing of the WTC in 1993
US Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia bombed in 1996
The US Embassy Bombings in 1998
The USS Cole in 2000

Please open your eyes. The terrorists don't care about Democrats or Republicans. Our very EXISTANCE is anathema to them.

BTW, I'll take firefights in Fallujah over San Francisco anyday.
those first attacks were in reponce to provocations in the mideast by Bush Sr

Kuwait is no more free now then they were in 91

Well, duh, thats when Saddam was kicked out

--Bushs father also put the taliban in power in the first place in Afghanistan

No, the Taliban didn't form until the late 1980s, well after we left.

--but Bush allowed Osama to escape in case he needed his help again--

Ossama wasn't on the terrorist watch list in the early 1980s

we freed Iraqis by importing terrorism death destruction and lack of electricity to their lives?

Actually, over 90% has electricty and clean running water and their hospitals are back to 95% of their previous functional ability.

Where do you get your crap from?

its republican values in foreign policy that caused all the terrorism in the first place but Bush is actually making the problem worser not better and hes digging americas grave in Iraq
Worser? Have you come down off your drugs from the last thread you posted?

democracynow.org

hahahahahahahaha *sigh*

those first attacks were in reponce to provocations in the mideast by Bush Sr

So 9/11 was in response to Clinton by that arguement. Thanks!!