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Our LADY of Guadalupe.

Her HOLY Imprint single handedly converted over 9 million aztecs over a
peirod of 10 years.

She stopped the sacrificing of babies.

And is now converting abortionists and helping to stop abortion.

Every single attempt to destroy Her as been stoped by the HOLY SPIRIT.

The cloth she is on shouldn't even be intact today.It is a degradable fabric.

The picture is not soaked into the fabric it is just imovovabley intertwined in it.

It is seethrough from the back.

They have super imposed Her eye with computers and in it you can see St.Juan Diego,the bishop and everyone else that was there.

It is full of aztec hierogliphics.

A flower {the aztec symbol of life} is over Her womb.

She is wearing stars on Her cloak{the aztecs viewed them as sacred}.The stars on Her cloak are the same constellation that was in the sky over the hill that She appeared on.

She is blocking out the sun{the aztecs worshipped the sun}.

She is bowing before GOD.

The geography of Mexico is on Her cloathing.

One Word....NUT.

im catholic too but...

u said something about proof ? i can't make the connection.. can u clarify

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In before lock!

I am Local CHRISTIAN lands.

GOD,Mary,St.Joseph,and the patron saint of apolegetics helped me with that post.

One Word....NUT.
"Some times you feel like a nut ..."

How is all that possible except through the power of GOD?

I am Local CHRISTIAN lands.

GOD,Mary,St.Joseph,and the patron saint of apolegetics helped me with that post.

This is what you people get for having Defensor banned...I tell you, better the Devil you know, than the Devil you don't know!

stars dont mean jack, that is a required image in an official picture of mary (for the catholic church certain images are required to be in painting of different religious figures for the pictures to be official)

and your crazy

Our LADY of Guadalupe.

Her HOLY Imprint single handedly converted over 9 million aztecs over a
peirod of 10 years.

She stopped the sacrificing of babies.

And is now converting abortionists and helping to stop abortion.

Every single attempt to destroy Her as been stoped by the HOLY SPIRIT.

The cloth she is on shouldn't even be intact today.It is a degradable fabric.

The picture is not soaked into the fabric it is just imovovabley intertwined in it.

It is seethrough from the back.

They have super imposed Her eye with computers and in it you can see St.Juan Diego,the bishop and everyone else that was there.

It is full of aztec hierogliphics.

A flower {the aztec symbol of life} is over Her womb.

She is wearing stars on Her cloak{the aztecs viewed them as sacred}.The stars on Her cloak are the same constellation that was in the sky over the hill that She appeared on.

She is blocking out the sun{the aztecs worshipped the sun}.

She is bowing before GOD.

The geography of Mexico is on Her cloathing.

You forgot that she appeared on a grilled cheese sandwich!! And if that isn't proof enough of god's existence for you non cheese grillin' sandwich eatin' heathens, well, I don't know what is!!!!

Catholicism is a joke in my opinion.

I am Local CHRISTIAN lands.

GOD,Mary,St.Joseph,and the patron saint of apolegetics helped me with that post.
They help you push keys too?

If so … God sure can’t spell … nor the others for that matter

Maybe god needs to go take night school

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In before lock!
Heed my words

I am Local CHRISTIAN lands.

GOD,Mary,St.Joseph,and the patron saint of apolegetics helped me with that post.


By any chance did you get drop as a child? There is no God. But lets say there is and lets say that the God is like catholics depict him to be. He does not interfear with people unless it effects him or it can really hurt mankind. Plus Saints are just people that did a few good things and the church said we should be like them. That is it.

If this is the best people can do to prove the existence of God, my disbelieve is correct.

If this is the best people can do to prove the existence of God, my disbelieve is correct.

That goes for me too.

GOD,Mary,St.Joseph,and the patron saint of apolegetics helped me with that post.
Logic clearly isn't God's strong point.

i didnt fin proof in that any where

If this is the best people can do to prove the existence of God, my disbelieve is correct.
It isnt correct.
Thats an illogical thing to say. Have you done anything to disprove it?
Just because you cant spell "disbelief" doesn't mean the word doesnt exist does it?

Hahaha. :rolleyes:

It isnt correct.
Thats an illogical thing to say. Have you done anything to disprove it?
Just because you cant spell "disbelief" doesn't mean the word doesnt exist does it?
Dammit...I mispelled another word; I must be extremely tired. Thank you for pointing it out.

Guys, don't give these ignorami what they want. There's no use arguing with a lump of jello. By the way, is there some sort of club for psychotic jesus fangirls? You'd like defensor fidei.

Our LADY of Guadalupe.

Her HOLY Imprint single handedly converted over 9 million aztecs over a
peirod of 10 years.

She stopped the sacrificing of babies.

And is now converting abortionists and helping to stop abortion.

Every single attempt to destroy Her as been stoped by the HOLY SPIRIT.

The cloth she is on shouldn't even be intact today.It is a degradable fabric.

The picture is not soaked into the fabric it is just imovovabley intertwined in it.

It is seethrough from the back.

They have super imposed Her eye with computers and in it you can see St.Juan Diego,the bishop and everyone else that was there.

It is full of aztec hierogliphics.

A flower {the aztec symbol of life} is over Her womb.

She is wearing stars on Her cloak{the aztecs viewed them as sacred}.The stars on Her cloak are the same constellation that was in the sky over the hill that She appeared on.

She is blocking out the sun{the aztecs worshipped the sun}.

She is bowing before GOD.

The geography of Mexico is on Her cloathing.


*cringes*

Y’know, it’s things like this that give us Christian's a bad name...

Seriously, was there a point to that? :confused:

The lady has certain beliefs. It internet is a place that allows those beliefs to be expressed. She has a right to express those beliefs. I am not sure she deserves the insults.

The lady has certain beliefs. It internet is a place that allows those beliefs to be expressed. She has a right to express those beliefs. I am not sure she deserves the insults.

I am getting really tired of that peace and love stuff...hippy





Just kidding you...

There's no use arguing with a lump of jello.
*is tempted to eat the lump of jello and cause it a slow, gelatinous death, before I realize how disgusting it is*

How does one dispose of really nasty jello?

It isnt correct.
Thats an illogical thing to say. Have you done anything to disprove it?
Just because you cant spell "disbelief" doesn't mean the word doesnt exist does it?


You know Ramses II would crap a flaming yellow brick to find out that the sun is nothing more than a flaming ball of hydrogen and helium and not Ra, the sun god....what do you think people will think of the "true believers" 1000 years from now?

I am getting really tired of that peace and love stuff...hippy
Just kidding you...
Instead of "peace and love", why not have "Love and Peace?" :D (hehe, Trigun joke)

The lady has certain beliefs. It internet is a place that allows those beliefs to be expressed. She has a right to express those beliefs. I am not sure she deserves the insults.

Agreed, we may disagree with the topic at hand, but the least we can do is respectfully disagree. Have some respect for fellow NS'ers, no matter how different their views are from your own.

This is what you people get for having Defensor banned...I tell you, better the Devil you know, than the Devil you don't know!


Defensor got banned? *blink*

I am getting really tired of that peace and love stuff...hippy





Just kidding you...

No problem!!

*is tempted to eat the lump of jello and cause it a slow, gelatinous death, before I realize how disgusting it is*

How does one dispose of really nasty jello?


put it in the microwave until it melts, then pour it in your friend's gas tank. lol j/k please don't do that...that'd be kinda...cruel

Agreed, we may disagree with the topic at hand, but the least we can do is respectfully disagree. Have some respect for fellow NS'ers, no matter how different their views are from your own.

Oh sweetjesusmaryandjoseph, This is NS for christsakes, do you think that is rational and realistic to ask the obnoxious opinionate ill-informed people ever to roam the Information Superhighway to show respect and courtesy?

Oh sweetjesusmaryandjoseph, This is NS for christsakes, do you think that is rational and realistic to ask the obnoxious opinionate ill-informed people ever to roam the Information Superhighway to show respect and courtesy?


damnit...I was going to post something, and now I forgot because I couldn't stop laughing at how true your post was...oh bah.

Oh sweetjesusmaryandjoseph, This is NS for christsakes, do you think that is rational and realistic to ask the obnoxious opinionate ill-informed people ever to roam the Information Superhighway to show respect and courtesy?

Actually, for some I do, but you, perhaps not. A mature person would respectfully handle the situtation. But, I guess I am not asshole enough for the General section of NS.

Had anyone of you pulled that shit on my General threads, you would be hearing it. But, being this is not my thread, I have no say over what the writer says or how the writer responds.

I guess I will just pull up a chair, grab a white Russian, and watch from the sidelines........

Oh sweetjesusmaryandjoseph, This is NS for christsakes, do you think that is rational and realistic to ask the obnoxious opinionate ill-informed people ever to roam the Information Superhighway to show respect and courtesy?

I have tears of laughter running down my face. :D

You're in the same family as filberts and pecans. But not peanuts. Those are legumes.

Catholicism is a joke in my opinion.

In my opinion, the idea that you HAVE an opinion (which would require an operational brain) is a joke.

If that's the best you can do, no wonder this place gets spammed with "right wing religious fanatics".

Every system seeks its own equilibrium, and something has to balance out the "if i didn't think of it, it suXs" uber liberal.

Our LADY of Guadalupe.

Her HOLY Imprint single handedly converted over 9 million aztecs over a
peirod of 10 years.

She stopped the sacrificing of babies.

And is now converting abortionists and helping to stop abortion.

Every single attempt to destroy Her as been stoped by the HOLY SPIRIT.

The cloth she is on shouldn't even be intact today.It is a degradable fabric.

The picture is not soaked into the fabric it is just imovovabley intertwined in it.

It is seethrough from the back.

They have super imposed Her eye with computers and in it you can see St.Juan Diego,the bishop and everyone else that was there.

It is full of aztec hierogliphics.

A flower {the aztec symbol of life} is over Her womb.

She is wearing stars on Her cloak{the aztecs viewed them as sacred}.The stars on Her cloak are the same constellation that was in the sky over the hill that She appeared on.

She is blocking out the sun{the aztecs worshipped the sun}.

She is bowing before GOD.

The geography of Mexico is on Her cloathing.

OK so you are a cathloc and believe that stuff, good for you, by the way have you read the ten commandments yet?, it says in there that you are not to make images if anything in heaven or on the earth, you have this painting, and you seem to like mary a lot, all those statues of her in the cathlos churches, aint they images of something on earth? and it also says in the 10 commandments that you are to have no gods before God, why do you pray to mary? and it says don't kill and in Ireland cathlocs kill people of other christian churches, and it says in the 10 commandments no adaultary(sex out of marrage), why do cathloc priests have sex with little boys? which goes to show cathlocs are not the 100% true christian sect as you say they are.
Sorry about the typos, can't spell very well.

I wish defensor hadn't been banned...

He may have been a fundamentalist nut, but at the end of the day all he did was express his opinion, its not like he really openly insulted anyone, plus he was good for a good chuckle.

Eitherway, to dude who started this topic, thank you for giving a drunk man a last grin after a crappy day before he goes to bed :p

I am catholic.
YOU are a class A nutjob.
And probably Tente Traditiones, Defensor Fidei.
And think your special cause you know some latin

Sod:

Buddy, you have no clue about what goes on in Ireland.

Take it from someone who lived there, ALL christian faiths adhere to the Ten Commandments, and the Prods do as much or more killing than Catholics. Read up on Ian Paisley sometime, you'll see what I mean.

Furthermore, as a Catholic, I find it hard to fathom the argument that because some priests within the faith fail to live up to the standards of that faith that the faith is flawed. If you've ever been a member of any organization larger than two or three people, you'll be able to realize that there's always going to be someone who doesn't meet the standards of the organization. That's not the fault of the organization, that's the fault of the individual. As for praying to Mary, if you knew as much about Catholicism as you thought you did, you'd know that we pray for her intercession, also known as her assistance. Being the Mother of God and all, having her on your side definitely can't hurt.

Finally, as for iconic images, that image is NOT being worshipped. Mary is not God. The Lady of Guadalupe is not a god. We don't worship her.

Look dont try to argue faith because you can not win. Both sides cant be proven. Yell about God all you want, or yell about no God all you want either way you cant really prove any of it so just stop feeding the troll.

I wish defensor hadn't been banned...

When was DF banned? These things I must know!

I'm not trying to win anything. I just refuse to let people run roughshod over my faith. I'm not yelling, and I'm not trying to convince you. But why should I let someone say things like that and not respond?

It sounds like you're dangerously close to saying that I shouldn't bother to express my viewpoint. I certainly hope that's not the way you're leaning.

Okay, I found no truth in this. I'm a Christian (Protestant or Lutheran whatever) and I didn't even have a clue what you were talking about.


Here is my reason for believing:

If you don't believe and you are right, what do you achieve?

Only knowing that you were right.

If you don't believe and you are wrong, what is your punishment?

Eternity in Hell

If you believe and you are wrong, what do you lose?

Only the time and money you donated to the Church

If you believe and you are right, what is your reward?

Eternity in Heaven.

Okay, I found no truth in this. I'm a Christian (Protestant or Lutheran whatever) and I didn't even have a clue what you were talking about.


Here is my reason for believing:

If you don't believe and you are right, what do you achieve?

Only knowing that you were right.

If you don't believe and you are wrong, what is your punishment?

Eternity in Hell

If you believe and you are wrong, what do you lose?

Only the time and money you donated to the Church

If you believe and you are right, what is your reward?

Eternity in Heaven.

If god is that big of a bitch that he throws a hissyfit over a mortal, who's lived a moral life and everything but just doesn't believe in god and sends him to hell for all eternity while he lets assholes like Jerry Falwell into heaven I'd rather go to hell, thank you very much.

I think I should point out the very high chance that the poster of this topic is a troll, and this is exactly the sort of thing he wanted to provoke.
Thank you for your time, have fun.

EDIT:
If god is that big of a bitch that he throws a hissyfit over a mortal, who's lived a moral life and everything but just doesn't believe in god and sends him to hell for all eternity while he lets assholes like Jerry Falwell into heaven I'd rather go to hell, thank you very much.
Well, if you follow Dante, you go to Hell for not beleiving in God, its just not as bad.
I generaly dont follow Dante, but I agree that most likely God would not condem somebody who led a good life, cared for small animals and donated to charity to an eternity in Hell. If God is loving, why would He? So, you can either go for Purgatory, or Dantes version, or something else.
Likewise, there are a few Popes who I seriously doubt are in Heaven.

When was DF banned? These things I must know!
damnit, I wanna know too! lol

Okay, I found no truth in this. I'm a Christian (Protestant or Lutheran whatever) and I didn't even have a clue what you were talking about.


Here is my reason for believing:

If you don't believe and you are right, what do you achieve?

Only knowing that you were right.

If you don't believe and you are wrong, what is your punishment?

Eternity in Hell

If you believe and you are wrong, what do you lose?

Only the time and money you donated to the Church

If you believe and you are right, what is your reward?

Eternity in Heaven.


But faith isn't about being pragmatic is it? It's about what you believe in. And if you determine what you believe in by a low-risk factor system, that's pretty dumb.

I'm not trying to win anything. I just refuse to let people run roughshod over my faith. I'm not yelling, and I'm not trying to convince you. But why should I let someone say things like that and not respond?

It sounds like you're dangerously close to saying that I shouldn't bother to express my viewpoint. I certainly hope that's not the way you're leaning.
I did not mean YOU or anyone when I said you I ment you in general, and I was not trying to infringe your right to free speech, and if it came off like that I am sorry. I just ment that these religous argues are pointless they allways seem to go like this:
1: God isnt real
2: YES HE IS!
1:No he isnt
2: Yes he is!!!!!!!
1:you suck and your a puppet
2: you suck and God is real
1:God sucks
2:Your going to hell
1: No im not cause its not real
2:yes it is!!!
etc.
Now if you want to know I am a christian, not a good one, but I am one.

Okay, I found no truth in this. I'm a Christian (Protestant or Lutheran whatever) and I didn't even have a clue what you were talking about.


Here is my reason for believing:

If you don't believe and you are right, what do you achieve?

Only knowing that you were right.

If you don't believe and you are wrong, what is your punishment?

Eternity in Hell

If you believe and you are wrong, what do you lose?

Only the time and money you donated to the Church

If you believe and you are right, what is your reward?

Eternity in Heaven.


Well if Allah instead of Jesus is really in charged, I guess you would be f@&ked and also what if God doesn't reward belief , what if God punishes the gullible and then where are you?...burning in Hell...and also you assume that God even likes us...for all you know God put us on this earth so he could have something to play with...so your little Pascal's Wager argument doesn't really cut the mustard now does it because if you are wrong there is a good chance you could end up in Hell anyway

Okay, I found no truth in this. I'm a Christian (Protestant or Lutheran whatever) and I didn't even have a clue what you were talking about.


Here is my reason for believing:

If you don't believe and you are right, what do you achieve?

Only knowing that you were right.

If you don't believe and you are wrong, what is your punishment?

Eternity in Hell

If you believe and you are wrong, what do you lose?

Only the time and money you donated to the Church

If you believe and you are right, what is your reward?

Eternity in Heaven.

Hey look, pascal's wager.

It's all fun and games until someone spots the logical fallacies.

(doh, beaten)

I do believe in Christianity but Catholics pray to Mary which is wrong she isn't divine so you shouldn't pray to her

Here is my reason for believing:

If you don't believe and you are right, what do you achieve?
Only knowing that you were right.

If you don't believe and you are wrong, what is your punishment?
Eternity in Hell


Damn ... just lost $10 ... bet my friend that some fool would bring up Pascal's Wager in the 61st post and he bet on the 46th. Dang.

most people here don't know what their talking about all they want is someone that someone is God so they can point fingers of blame about why their pathetic live are bad

Look dont try to argue faith because you can not win. Both sides cant be proven. Yell about God all you want, or yell about no God all you want either way you cant really prove any of it so just stop feeding the troll.
Prove that it cant be proven(or disproven).
Okay, I found no truth in this. I'm a Christian (Protestant or Lutheran whatever) and I didn't even have a clue what you were talking about.


Here is my reason for believing:

If you don't believe and you are right, what do you achieve?

Only knowing that you were right.

If you don't believe and you are wrong, what is your punishment?

Eternity in Hell

If you believe and you are wrong, what do you lose?

Only the time and money you donated to the Church

If you believe and you are right, what is your reward?

Eternity in Heaven.
Then you'd better start worshipping me because I tell you if you dont youll go to a place 2xworse than hell and if you do my reward is 10xbetter than heaven.

Hey look, pascal's wager.

It's all fun and games until someone spots the logical fallacies.

(doh, beaten)

*
Yup.
Here's something rather funny in a similar vein.

You see that asterisk?
Take a good look.

It contains a tiny enchantment that has snared your soul and will send you to Hell when you die. Now, I can lift this enchantment, since I *am* the all-powerful one that created it. And yes, most of you *did* look at it when I told you to, I'd bet. Here's the catch:

I'm only lifting the curse for a price.
Send me $15, and you are guaranteed a spot in Heaven.

You say it's all bunk? Well, you're gambling with your life here... Who's to say that I'm not capable of all this?

(hee hee. I'm just so eeevil.)

Heed my words

I find it amusing that you tell people not to feed the trolls, followed by 'in before the lock', which is now officially considered spam by the mods.

"Don't do something annoying! Break a rule instead!"

:p

*cringes*

Y’know, it’s things like this that give us Christian's a bad name...

Seriously, was there a point to that? :confused:


I've forgotten who said this, but he/she has a very vaild point. Nothing is going to be solved here on this forum. For starters, because the person who started it just threw a bunch of random facts (and I use the word "facts" loosely) on a page and called it evidence, and now everyone else is griping about how things are being said (grammar and spelling), instead of what is being said. But I digress.
To they who started this thread: did you think anyone would change their mind because of what you wrote? And for those with the snide remarks: even if you get him committed, he's just going to mark himself up as another Martyr to his cause. But seriously man, if this is the best proof you've got, you need to do a little more research.

Can I throw my hat into the ring ?

I can, oh great


well i know that the almighty catholic god exists, cos the little baby jesus told a man, who told his mate, whose brother told his wife, and she told a man who i met in the pub last night, so it must be true !

(hmm isnt this how the bible got wrote down?)

Cheers, imported_Wilf.

The M0ds havent locked this yet?

Their probably getting too much of a laugh to lock it.

That and weirdness alone isn't grounds for locking. That and converting 9 million Aztecs in ten years is 1.7 a minute.

*
Yup.
Here's something rather funny in a similar vein.

You see that asterisk?
Take a good look.

It contains a tiny enchantment that has snared your soul and will send you to Hell when you die. Now, I can lift this enchantment, since I *am* the all-powerful one that created it. And yes, most of you *did* look at it when I told you to, I'd bet. Here's the catch:

I'm only lifting the curse for a price.
Send me $15, and you are guaranteed a spot in Heaven.

You say it's all bunk? Well, you're gambling with your life here... Who's to say that I'm not capable of all this?

(hee hee. I'm just so eeevil.)

You! Youre my savior! The only real god! I worship you! *worships Neo-Anarchist* Now will I go to afterlife?




Religions eat your brains.

How is all that possible except through the power of GOD?

There is more than one supernatural power in the universe???

Furthermore, as a Catholic, I find it hard to fathom the argument that because some priests within the faith fail to live up to the standards of that faith that the faith is flawed.


Let me ask you a question. Do babies sin when they cry for food?

in before the lock.

Can I just ask, where do Catholics get the idea that you can "Work" your way into heven from? There are several verses in the Bible that make it clear that you do not get into heven on the basis of your works, but your faith. While I agree that faith without deeds is dead, can any Catholics out there please clarify what it is exactly that you believe regarding the "Works/Faith" thing?

Can I just ask, where do Catholics get the idea that you can "Work" your way into heven from? There are several verses in the Bible that make it clear that you do not get into heven on the basis of your works, but your faith. While I agree that faith without deeds is dead, can any Catholics out there please clarify what it is exactly that you believe regarding the "Works/Faith" thing?

Well, I'm not Catholic, but I have studied the history of the Church. According to Augustine (on whom much of the dogma is based), the fall took away the possibility of human beings making the right choice. We still have free will, but only the free will to make the wrong choices. God has chosen a select few to provide with grace. Grace allows us to be saved and to make the right choice. Human beings can not do anything to obtain this grace, it is simply provided to whichever select few God grants it to (the Catholics have softened this a bit, but still called Pelagius a heretic - so it's pretty much the same). Once you have grace, you can make the right decisions. Thus, we know those who have grace and are saved by their works.

This is what you people get for having Defensor banned...I tell you, better the Devil you know, than the Devil you don't know!

This isn't DF's most recent incarnation? I'd be surprised if it weren't...

in before the lock.
this thread has been around for days ? what has changed sence then?

This isn't DF's most recent incarnation? I'd be surprised if it weren't...

This guy doesn't seem to have the same fervor...
He also seems even less logical ( :eek: ) than DF...

Then again, these trolls are tricky...

Could be a ruse.

Sod:

Buddy, you have no clue about what goes on in Ireland.

Take it from someone who lived there, ALL christian faiths adhere to the Ten Commandments, and the Prods do as much or more killing than Catholics. Read up on Ian Paisley sometime, you'll see what I mean.

Furthermore, as a Catholic, I find it hard to fathom the argument that because some priests within the faith fail to live up to the standards of that faith that the faith is flawed. If you've ever been a member of any organization larger than two or three people, you'll be able to realize that there's always going to be someone who doesn't meet the standards of the organization. That's not the fault of the organization, that's the fault of the individual. As for praying to Mary, if you knew as much about Catholicism as you thought you did, you'd know that we pray for her intercession, also known as her assistance. Being the Mother of God and all, having her on your side definitely can't hurt.

Finally, as for iconic images, that image is NOT being worshipped. Mary is not God. The Lady of Guadalupe is not a god. We don't worship her.

hey, dude, i'm not christian but didn't jesus say something about not worshiping him? Jesus was not god, i admire jesus for being a good guy and all but he's dead, so lets stop talking about him. some christians are CRAZY!

Our LADY of Guadalupe.

Her HOLY Imprint single handedly converted over 9 million aztecs over a
peirod of 10 years.

She stopped the sacrificing of babies.

And is now converting abortionists and helping to stop abortion.

Every single attempt to destroy Her as been stoped by the HOLY SPIRIT.

The cloth she is on shouldn't even be intact today.It is a degradable fabric.

The picture is not soaked into the fabric it is just imovovabley intertwined in it.

It is seethrough from the back.

They have super imposed Her eye with computers and in it you can see St.Juan Diego,the bishop and everyone else that was there.

It is full of aztec hierogliphics.

A flower {the aztec symbol of life} is over Her womb.

She is wearing stars on Her cloak{the aztecs viewed them as sacred}.The stars on Her cloak are the same constellation that was in the sky over the hill that She appeared on.

She is blocking out the sun{the aztecs worshipped the sun}.

She is bowing before GOD.

The geography of Mexico is on Her cloathing.


Catholocism, like any other set of beliefs, has its errors and youre kidding youself if you think it doesnt. Also, the virgin of guadalupe is only really important to Mexicans and given I am in Mexico as we speak and I have only seen 2 shrines of her, so I think even her importance is becoming less down here. Jesus is still big though.

Okay, I found no truth in this. I'm a Christian (Protestant or Lutheran whatever) and I didn't even have a clue what you were talking about.


Here is my reason for believing:

If you don't believe and you are right, what do you achieve?

Only knowing that you were right.

If you don't believe and you are wrong, what is your punishment?

Eternity in Hell

If you believe and you are wrong, what do you lose?

Only the time and money you donated to the Church

If you believe and you are right, what is your reward?

Eternity in Heaven.

y'know that there are hundreds of religions right, and many of them have punishment. what if they are right? you are basing this on only two theisms, christianity and atheism. Some christians don't think about things.

My mom says that Catholicism is the only true religion because it's the only religion that stems directly from the big JC himself.

My mom says that Catholicism is the only true religion because it's the only religion that stems directly from the big JC himself.

Your mom hasn't really studied much history of the church though, has she?

No, but she attended Catholic school for 12 years, so not knowing the facts makes it alright ;)

No, but she attended Catholic school for 12 years, so not knowing the facts makes it alright ;)

"Not knowing the facts makes it alright." I'll be sure to try and use that one next time I get pulled over for breaking a law I didn't know about.

Of course, if you were tryiing to make the point that your mum actually knows what she's talking about because she went to Catholic school, that's really laughable, considering the the Church purposely lies about church history to try and make themselves look good.

It worked for me! Oh, that and my large breasts.
My point was sarcasm.
I believe in God, or at the very least, some greater power, but I follow no religion for the very reason you state. Organized religion was created by humans, and humans are fallible. I follow no human, only my perception of God, which, as I am human, may be flawed.

It worked for me! Oh, that and my large breasts.


Booyah! Boobs over Bibles anyday!

"Not knowing the facts makes it alright." I'll be sure to try and use that one next time I get pulled over for breaking a law I didn't know about.

Of course, if you were tryiing to make the point that your mum actually knows what she's talking about because she went to Catholic school, that's really laughable, considering the the Church purposely lies about church history to try and make themselves look good.
Agreed 7 year catholic school vet myself

Well, I'm not Catholic, but I have studied the history of the Church. According to Augustine (on whom much of the dogma is based), the fall took away the possibility of human beings making the right choice. We still have free will, but only the free will to make the wrong choices. God has chosen a select few to provide with grace. Grace allows us to be saved and to make the right choice. Human beings can not do anything to obtain this grace, it is simply provided to whichever select few God grants it to (the Catholics have softened this a bit, but still called Pelagius a heretic - so it's pretty much the same). Once you have grace, you can make the right decisions. Thus, we know those who have grace and are saved by their works.


I'm catholic and that is one of the most untrue made up things I have ever seen written about catholics ever.

Booyah! Boobs over Bibles anyday!
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I'm catholic and that is one of the most untrue made up things I have ever seen written about catholics ever.

Really?

How much church history have *you* studied?

How often has your church told you that what they teach has always been thought of as true, in every Catholic Church, everywhere ((this is, by the way, the definition used to define church dogma - even though there is no such thing as any idea that all Christian churches have taught, all the time, everywhere)).

How often has your church listed the line of "popes" from Peter even though there was no such thing until almost the time of the East-West split? And even some of the so-called popes specifically asked that they *not* be called pope, as they were no higher than the other bishops?

What church is it that tells HIV-positive men in Africa to go home and have unprotected sex with their HIV-negative wives because "condoms are laced with AIDs."?

Which church has an atonement theory based, not in scripture, but in a system of penitence that was made up by bishops because they had no idea how to reconcile sin with Christianity? (ok, this is pretty much all of the denominations - but it started with Catholocism).

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