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So here is another argument ... when is being pc too PC ?
people in favor of gay marriage (i know a reoccuring theme in my threads, but i have it on the mind these days) dont care of the discomfort of religious belifs.

But Merry Christmas is somehow insulting ? and is not Politically Correct ?

When is being PC too PC?

Always; I am an outspoken critic of PC - while I believe we can avoid using intentionally insulting terms, we don't have to result to PC to "shield" our ears

watch the blue collar comedy hour, politically correct fairy tales

Which type of political correctness do you mean?

Merry Christmas is insulting?

When Is Being Politically Correct Too PC?

When it makes you sould like a f***ing idiot! LOL! :D

"To The People Of Islam:
Just think: If we'd invaded your countries, killed your leaders and converted you to Christianity YOU'D ALL BE OPENING CHRISTMAS PRESENTS RIGHT ABOUT NOW!
Merry Christmas"


Hmm. I think a bit of PC would be in need there.

watch the blue collar comedy hour, politically correct fairy tales


thats so funny!

I think PC in general is a metric fuckton of BS. We don't need to go crying about PC everytime someone hurts out feelings. Hell my friends and I try to use all the politicaly incorrect terms and phrased we possibly can.

as George Carlin once said.

(From Memory so alot missing.)
Shell shock... dramatic, harsh... describes the condition exactly.
Combat Fatigue... sounds softer... sounds like you're just tired.
Post-Operation Stress Disorder... totally sterile... I bet if we still called it Shell Shock, alot of these Veterans would've received the help and care they needed right away.

I am An American...
Not Asian-American...

what's next.
Homosexual-American?
Christan-American?
Athiest-American?

Give me a break from all this PC crap.

So here is another argument ... when is being pc too PC ?
people in favor of gay marriage (i know a reoccuring theme in my threads, but i have it on the mind these days) dont care of the discomfort of religious belifs.

But Merry Christmas is somehow insulting ? and is not Politically Correct ?
I'm against political correctness, because it's censorship, but it has nothing to do with gay marriage rights.

Have you noticed that religious people who are against gay marriage don't care for the discomfort of homosexual people?

To be honest, I don't think that legalised gay marriage would really cause discomfort to religious people. It's not mandatory and it wouldn't actually affect you.

I think PC in general is a metric fuckton of BS. We don't need to go crying about PC everytime someone hurts out feelings. Hell my friends and I try to use all the politicaly incorrect terms and phrased we possibly can.

Really? Do you go around saying "******" and whingeing about "fat broads" not being able to drive? And how about them "kikes"?

Not accusing, just demonstrating that there is a line and i've shown an extreme-end of non-political correctness. You can go over the top with political-correctness, of course. But I think avoiding the use of words likely to offend people really isn't that difficult. I mean, if you get sued by a work colleague for calling them "fat" or something then you deserve it for being "mentally-challenged" ;)

I don't see the need in going around saying whatever non-politically incorrect phrases come to mind with the express intention of hurting someone's feelings and causing an outcry.

The solution to political correctness: Just don't go out of your way to offend people or discriminate. Easy.

Really? Do you go around saying "******" and whingeing about "fat broads" not being able to drive? And how about them "kikes"?

Not accusing, just demonstrating that there is a line and i've shown an extreme-end of non-political correctness. You can go over the top with political-correctness, of course. But I think avoiding the use of words likely to offend people really isn't that difficult. I mean, if you get sued by a work colleague for calling them "fat" or something then you deserve it for being "mentally-challenged" ;)

I don't see the need in going around saying whatever non-politically incorrect phrases come to mind with the express intention of hurting someone's feelings and causing an outcry.there is a big difference between being PC and being a Rude Racist Bastard (or Bitch) and there are polite terms and ways to express opinions. calling someone Fat (outside of being angry) is wrong unless that person asks you... then they deserve the truth. I don't call people ******, kike, jap, jew, or anything like that. but not because I am being PC... just polite.

Two words: Flight attendant.

Personally I think the people who feel most threatened about things being 'PC' are the moronic daily mail reader types who just want to ban all anti racism laws and go around calling people the most offensive racist terms possible, because they are weakling cowards who feel threatened by minority groups and want to 'keep them in their place'.

It's funny the way people quote stupid examples in an effort to flame anything that isn't offensive. For example, in the Daily Mail they managed to find someone who found snow men racist, and used this wacko as an excuse to go off on a rant about how going around calling people ****** and paki should be allowed.

there is a big difference between being PC and being a Rude Racist Bastard (or Bitch) and there are polite terms and ways to express opinions. calling someone Fat (outside of being angry) is wrong unless that person asks you... then they deserve the truth. I don't call people ******, kike, jap, jew, or anything like that. but not because I am being PC... just polite.
Interesting. So what do you call a man or woman who has lived 70 years?

I beleive that Political Correctness is one of the largest blights on modern society.

The problem with the world today is that common sense and courtesy has been replaced with this political bullshit. Decided by who? Some politician who has about as much association with reality at large as a thumbtack?

Here in Britain, during the 90's there was a show called spitting image which satirised the whole situation with the phrase "it's political correctness gone MAD!" If you ask me, 90% of it's mad.

Interesting. So what do you call a man or woman who has lived 70 years?What else... Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. (If single)

What else... Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. (If single)
And if they've lived 27 years?

Two words: Flight attendant.what about Cockpit?

actually I call it "the front of the plane."

Really? Do you go around saying "******" and whingeing about "fat broads" not being able to drive? And how about them "kikes"?

Not accusing, just demonstrating that there is a line and i've shown an extreme-end of non-political correctness. You can go over the top with political-correctness, of course. But I think avoiding the use of words likely to offend people really isn't that difficult. I mean, if you get sued by a work colleague for calling them "fat" or something then you deserve it for being "mentally-challenged" ;)

I don't see the need in going around saying whatever non-politically incorrect phrases come to mind with the express intention of hurting someone's feelings and causing an outcry.

The solution to political correctness: Just don't go out of your way to offend people or discriminate. Easy.
There are times when it gets out of hand. You mentioned the term "******". This was never a polite term. More of an insult. Like Kike. However, in the name of political correctness Negro became Black, and that was phased out by the PC police in favor of African American then Person of Color. That's just fucking absurd. You can't constantly change words around because some hyper-sensitive asshole might get offended. PC is a product of white guilt and opportunistic female-supremacist, Minority-supremacist, and Homosexual-supremacist assholes who want to ensure that white male guilt is perpetuated so that they can always claim moral high ground in any argument. I beleive in equal rights for all people regardless of sex, sexual orientation, "race", and religion. I just don't beleive that we need to tiptoe around each other as if we are fragile little eggs that may shatter at the drop of a word.

There are times when it gets out of hand. You mentioned the term "******". This was never a polite term. More of an insult. Like Kike. However, in the name of political correctness Negro became Black, and that was phased out by the PC police in favor of African American then Person of Color. That's just fucking absurd. You can't constantly change words around because some hyper-sensitive asshole might get offended. PC is a product of white guilt and opportunistic female-supremacist, Minority-supremacist, and Homosexual-supremacist assholes who want to ensure that white male guilt is perpetuated so that they can always claim moral high ground in any argument. I beleive in equal rights for all people regardless of sex, sexual orientation, "race", and religion. I just don't beleive that we need to tiptoe around each other as if we are fragile little eggs that may shatter at the drop of a word.I agree...except I thing Person of Color was before African-American... but that's just me being nitpicky...

Two words: Flight attendant.
Two more words: Sky Waitress.

And if they've lived 27 years?Same thing... Mr. Mrs. or Ms.

No matter what age.. unless I'm given leave to call them by their first name, it's Mr. Mrs. or Ms. (last name) after I get to know them, and given permission to call them by their first name then I address them as they wish to be addressed. (i.e. Mike, Mrs. Johnson, Ms. Ross...ect.) It tickles the kids tho... calling them Mr (lastname) they laugh and tell me "my name is (firstname)"

after that, I call them by their first name. :D

Really? Do you go around saying "******" and whingeing about "fat broads" not being able to drive? And how about them "kikes"?

Not accusing, just demonstrating that there is a line and i've shown an extreme-end of non-political correctness. You can go over the top with political-correctness, of course. But I think avoiding the use of words likely to offend people really isn't that difficult. I mean, if you get sued by a work colleague for calling them "fat" or something then you deserve it for being "mentally-challenged" ;)

I don't see the need in going around saying whatever non-politically incorrect phrases come to mind with the express intention of hurting someone's feelings and causing an outcry.

The solution to political correctness: Just don't go out of your way to offend people or discriminate. Easy.


Well there is little chance of me being sued for anything since almost all of my co-workers are politically incorrect as well (we're in the Navy), but no I dont go out of my way to offend people or use racist terms, I mean for example. I dont say african american I say black, I dont say happy holidays I say merry christmas, and when I go into Seattle on weekends I go and piss off the whiny teenagers up there protesting the war by telling them Im in the military and then I listen to them bitch and whine about me killing people. Then I love the look on their faces when I tell them Im a medic.

My favorite PC term: Handicapable

Yours?

Bleh. Political correctness is just a cheap copout that allows people to disguise their contempt for one another in socially-mandated and sanitized "safe" language. It's a piss-poor substitute for politeness at its best in my opinion. I loathe PC with every fibre of my being, as I feel it promotes hypocracy and allows bigotry and sexism to continue to fester just out of sight under the cover of acceptable parlance.

While I tend to despise bigots of all descriptions, I'd honestly prefer the company of an honest bigot than some PC-spouting hypocrite. At least I'd know what the bigot was thinking and know how to respond to him.

My favorite PC term: Handicapable

Yours?
rofl handicapable is great

rofl handicapable is great
I prefer to call them "the conveniently parked"

So here is another argument ... when is being pc too PC ?
people in favor of gay marriage (i know a reoccuring theme in my threads, but i have it on the mind these days) dont care of the discomfort of religious belifs.

But Merry Christmas is somehow insulting ? and is not Politically Correct ?
ANY "PC" is TOO MUCH "PC!" :mad: :headbang:

I am a honkey, blue eyed devil, mick myself and I don't give a fuck about that being Non-PC because that's who I am. Doesn't bother me. But people who take things too far is what bothers me. Here is some more stuff from George Carlin, I'm going to paraphrase it.

"I think Chairman should be Chairperson and spokesman should be spokesperson but we take things too far. What's next? Are we going to talk about the Person in the moon? Would you call it a personhole cover? What do you call a ladies man? A person's Person? Would we start singing for He's a Jolly Good Person? Maybe we could find out on late night with David Letterperson."

Bleh. Political correctness is just a cheap copout that allows people to disguise their contempt for one another in socially-mandated and sanitized "safe" language. It's a piss-poor substitute for politeness at its best in my opinion. I loathe PC with every fibre of my being, as I feel it promotes hypocracy and allows bigotry and sexism to continue to fester just out of sight under the cover of acceptable parlance.

While I tend to despise bigots of all descriptions, I'd honestly prefer the company of an honest bigot than some PC-spouting hypocrite. At least I'd know what the bigot was thinking and know how to respond to him.

You are correct IMO there are many PC people who use it as a cheap copout. They still hold contempt in their hearts near and dear. I think instead of PC why not just be polite and tactful regarding your fellow humans. All that is happening is the hurtful insultive terms are being "dumbed down" so to speak.

Learn to be positive and seek redeeming qualities in other people instead of all the differences and alleged flaws!! In summary PC is not needed!!

Bleh. Political correctness is just a cheap copout that allows people to disguise their contempt for one another in socially-mandated and sanitized "safe" language.
Worse - it's censorship. I think Fred Phelps is a nasty man, but that case he mentioned of a Swedish pastor, Åke Green, who made anti-gay comments in his church being sent to prison for a month is wrong. It is, at best, government censorship and deprivation of civil liberties.

Personally I think the people who feel most threatened about things being 'PC' are the moronic daily mail reader types who just want to ban all anti racism laws and go around calling people the most offensive racist terms possible, because they are weakling cowards who feel threatened by minority groups and want to 'keep them in their place'.

It's funny the way people quote stupid examples in an effort to flame anything that isn't offensive. For example, in the Daily Mail they managed to find someone who found snow men racist, and used this wacko as an excuse to go off on a rant about how going around calling people ****** and paki should be allowed.

You are misguided. PC is an example of facism.

Personally I think the people who feel most threatened about things being 'PC' are the moronic daily mail reader types who just want to ban all anti racism laws and go around calling people the most offensive racist terms possible, because they are weakling cowards who feel threatened by minority groups and want to 'keep them in their place'.

It's funny the way people quote stupid examples in an effort to flame anything that isn't offensive. For example, in the Daily Mail they managed to find someone who found snow men racist, and used this wacko as an excuse to go off on a rant about how going around calling people ****** and paki should be allowed.

Sineal, I don't think you understand how political correctness disenfranchises both those it is supposed to be protecting AND creates / promotes divisiveness. It quite openly emasculates the average white Christian male, which I find to be pretty pathetic, because I have never seen that particular segment of society as being the "enemy". Nor should anyone else really.

I object to the idea that I can't be referred to as a woman under political correctness. I find it to be sterile and unfriendly, as it encourages people to be ashamed of their gender REGARDLESS of their gender. It also discourages usage of friendly language that isn't even gender-specific, like "honey" (or its shortened version "hon") because some unfriendly, persecution-complex-suffering females can't bear to be spoken to in an affectionate, friendly manner by males, from whom ANY terms seem to be some sort of incitement or form of patronization.

I also find it promotes feelings of inferiority in people. Having to endure the awkward pauses to reach for PC terms doesn't make a blind person any more comfortable about lacking sight in a sighted world or a person struggling with any other handicap feel any more valued or accepted. These people aren't stupid, they're just handicapped. It doesn't make non-handicapped people feel any more warmth or acceptance towards the handicapped either. To the contrary, it often makes us feel LESS comfortable and MORE focussed on the target's differences -- and not in a very positive manner.

Stupid, pretentious and outright assinine terms like "flight attendant" rather than "stewardess" or "steward" are just downright ludicrous. There was never anything demeaning or insulting about the original terms and when it boils down to it, these jobs boil down in plain language to be air waitresses and waiters. "Custodial Engineers" aren't engineers, they're janitors. What the hell was wrong with "janitor" anyway? When I was a kid in school, I knew the janitors and they were pretty cool people who took pride in their work and didn't give a crap what the job name was as long as people were respectful and treated them with a little dignity.

Changing the language that is socially acceptible to use doesn't change the feelings of the speakers for the better and doesn't improve the conditions the recipients live with. If society honestly gave a crap about promoting an even playing field for all and improving the lot of its "less fortunate" members, it would concentrate on behaviors rather than language.

Insults and demiening language is bad.

equally repressing the majority to be correct is wrong.

I also think that if people of a colour/creed/religion can use a term everyone else should be able to as well. I'm thinking of certain rappers and that sceen in rush hour 1.

No PC just Equality.

But Merry Christmas is somehow insulting ? and is not Politically Correct ?

Are you referring to people being offended at having to say/listen to the greeting "Merry Christmas?"

I hate the song "Do they know it's Christmas?"

"And there won't be snow in Africa this Christmastime
The greatest gift they'll get this year is life(Oooh)
Where nothing ever grows
No rain or rivers flow
Do they know it's Christmastime at all?"

There should be snow in Africa? To get Christmas spirit? (there is, on Kilimanjaro) They should celebrate Christmas? Why?
Where nothing ever grows. No rain or rivers flow.
Rainforests? Nile?

In reference to what the last person said before me: who sings that song? Also what an idiot.

"Ladies, we've finally done it. We've succeeded in changing the word "Mailman" to 'PersonPerson' "
-Bernice from the Duckman tv show

Ridiculous to think about, but it illustrates a good point. People are too sensitive these days. As a small aside that does make a point: One of my buddies tried to squeeze past a female coworker in the tiny backroom of their store and his back brushed against her chest... She didn't say anything, but one week later he was brought before his district manager on an accusal of sexual harassment. There were witnesses that they both tried to squeeze past eachother at the same time, and he was facing the wall, but she states that he did it intentionally to rub up against her chest... I mean seriously, it's bad when people are sensitive to the point where someone honestly, accidentally, brushes past a body part and gets in trouble for it, or someone can't say the word Christmas or Christ or Allah (or insert favoured deity here) or use the term "guys" for a large group of people including one male or more without being chastised...

Oh, and for anyone out there wanting to chastize me for talking about sexual harassment cases with little sentiment of gravity, unintentional sexual harassment is something happening far too often. Lots of people are accused of harassment or slander or simply of being politically incorrect for many stupid things that should not be taken offensively.

Oh, and thank you Booslandia.
What you say makes a lot of sense and sums up a lot of how I feel about the issue as well. I work in sales, and I do not find it offensive to be called a Salesman. The women I work with did not consider Saleswoman to be derogatory either. Nor do I think that terms such as Salesperson, Sales Associate, or Customer Service And Sales Specialist are necessary.

Always. Always!