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I can't friggen believe it I have been waiting for sooooo long to get one of these. I got a new, 4th generation 20gig and I am so happy.

who actually needs a 20-100 gig piece of merchandise just to play music? why the hell do you have that much music, and even if you do, you will ENVER lsiten to that mch, not to mention the batteries will die before you get through a couple gigs

There are much better MP3 players out there than IPods.

who actually needs a 20-100 gig piece of merchandise just to play music? why the hell do you have that much music, and even if you do, you will ENVER lsiten to that mch, not to mention the batteries will die before you get through a couple gigs

I used to think the same thing, actually. I have a good deal less than 20 gig of music, but I've found my Dell DJ to be incredibly useful. Before, if I went on a trip and wanted to listen to music, I had to bring a much larger CD player and a case for all the CDs. An MP3 player lets me fit all that and more in my pocket, and all I have to do to change CDs is press a couple buttons. Even the unused space has an upside; if something goes wrong with my computer, I can use it to back up important files.

My friend has 27 gigs of music on his computer.

I used to think the same thing, actually. I have a good deal less than 20 gig of music, but I've found my Dell DJ to be incredibly useful. Before, if I went on a trip and wanted to listen to music, I had to bring a much larger CD player and a case for all the CDs. An MP3 player lets me fit all that and more in my pocket, and all I have to do to change CDs is press a couple buttons. Even the unused space has an upside; if something goes wrong with my computer, I can use it to back up important files.
im not saying a mp3 player is lame, im saying a 20gig + player is pointless. you can get a 1 or 5 gig one i forget which for like less than 200 dollars

im not saying a mp3 player is lame, im saying a 20gig + player is pointless. you can get a 1 or 5 gig one i forget which for like less than 200 dollars

Trust me, I know plenty of people who do have that much music. Even I, with my miniscule iTunes library of 2.5 gig, wouldn't want to be limited to 5 gig, firstly for the aforementioned ability to back up my files, and secondly because my music collection is constantly growing.

20 gigs of music? 20 GIGS!? For the love of god, who needs all those songs!?

A waste of money. Sorry pal, but an iPod < CD player and a couple of good CDs

Heh,
I have an ipod mini and I LOVE IT, granted it's only 4 gigs.
But I have it almost filled up with 732 songs!

I got a green iPod Mini. It has the height and width of a credit card and the depth of a pencil. Insanity!

I've just got 160 songs on mine so far, but that's just because I haven't leeched on my friend's CD's. That and I use audiobooks.

Since I always rip music at 320kbps, I could use up 10-15 gigs quite easily with just the music I listen to regularly. My Normal Mood Good Aggressive Songs Short WinAMP playlist alone has 278 songs on it, totaling something like 4 gigs. With 20gigs of space, I wouldn't have to rush home if I suddenly get into a melancholic mood.

Since I always rip music at 320kbps, I could use up 10-15 gigs quite easily with just the music I listen to regularly. My Normal Mood Good Aggressive Songs Short WinAMP playlist alone has 278 songs on it, totaling something like 4 gigs. With 20gigs of space, I wouldn't have to rush home if I suddenly get into a melancholic mood.
if your listening to 320kbs its your own fault you have gigs of music, 128 is decent and 64 kbs wma isnt that bad

any bigger than 256kbs and your wasting space

i have nearly 400songs at not much over a gig

There are much better MP3 players out there than IPods.

Check this out.

http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=10795

I can't friggen believe it I have been waiting for sooooo long to get one of these. I got a new, 4th generation 20gig and I am so happy.
Ugh. iPods are probably one of the crappier MP3 players. Just shows what good marketing can do. I sure hope your battery doesn't go kaput and you don't have to pay Apple $100 to change it.

Ugh. iPods are probably one of the crappier MP3 players. Just shows what good marketing can do. I sure hope your battery doesn't go kaput and you don't have to pay Apple $100 to change it.

The Mr. I know everything about MP3 players and think iPods suck, what MP3 player do you recommend?

if your listening to 320kbs its your own fault you have gigs of music, 128 is decent and 64 kbs wma isnt that bad

any bigger than 256kbs and your wasting space128kbps is horrible. I used to listen to 128kbps MP3s with my old computer, since it only had a 10gig HD, and it worked sort of fine because I also had crappy speakers. Listening to certain songs I can clearly tell the difference between a 128kbps and a 256kbps version, sometimes between 192kbps and 256kbps as well. I must admit using 320kbps over 256kbps is mostly a matter of principle -- only the best for good music.

Ugh. iPods are probably one of the crappier MP3 players. Just shows what good marketing can do. I sure hope your battery doesn't go kaput and you don't have to pay Apple $100 to change it.

Reasons not to get an iPod:

1) The iPod is only compatable with Apple's software, and Apple's file formats. (iTunes downloads only play in iTunes or iPod, also no WMA support)

2) Yes the battery does go kaput after about a year, this happened to a friend

3) Apple abandons product owners as soon as a new version comes out (try getting support for a 1st or 2nd generation iPod)

128kbps is horrible. I used to listen to 128kbps MP3s with my old computer, since it only had a 10gig HD, and it worked sort of fine because I also had crappy speakers. Listening to certain songs I can clearly tell the difference between a 128kbps and a 256kbps version, sometimes between 192kbps and 256kbps as well. I must admit using 320kbps over 256kbps is mostly a matter of principle -- only the best for good music.
i dont use speakers, i use headphones on my computer and budstyle headphones for my players

you would have to have seriously acute hearing to be able to differentiate, much less give a shit between 256 and 320 or even 192 and 256

The Mr. I know everything about MP3 players and think iPods suck, what MP3 player do you recommend?
Nomad or Rio players

i have a RCA Lyra which is pretty good, runs for damn near ever on a single AAA battery, i had a k@zoo but it fucked up ...after dropping it afew dozen times, and it only doesnt work because the lock button was broken off after being put in the lock position

you would have to have seriously acute hearing to be able to differentiate, much less give a shit between 256 and 320 or even 192 and 256Well, like I said, I can't actually tell a difference between 256 and 320 for the most part. In certain songs, though, I can tell there are some sound effects and even bit of guitars missing in the 192 version (or that's what it sounds like, I don't really know the mechanics behind the encoding). I take my music too seriously to allow that sort of thing.

This is a perfect example of what is great about NationStates: People can and will argue over anything and everything, including at what rate other people should listen to music on their computers. Haha. Anyway, I am not criticising, just noting. Carry on :)

Nomad or Rio players

i have a RCA Lyra which is pretty good, runs for damn near ever on a single AAA battery, i had a k@zoo but it fucked up ...after dropping it afew dozen times, and it only doesnt work because the lock button was broken off after being put in the lock position

I own a Lyra (128 MB) and have had it for about a year. Then about a month ago it started acting screwy. It will only run on half used batterys (It will die after about 4-6 seconds after putting in a fresh battery) The sound quality also started to get bad. I am not sure what's wrong, but I got a Creative Zen Micro for Christmas and I am very happy.

http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=10795

Well, like I said, I can't actually tell a difference between 256 and 320 for the most part. In certain songs, though, I can tell there are some sound effects and even bit of guitars missing in the 192 version (or that's what it sounds like, I don't really know the mechanics behind the encoding). I take my music too seriously to allow that sort of thing.
if you can tell anything is missing, it was encoded really crappily

I own a Lyra (128 MB) and have had it for about a year. Then about a month ago it started acting screwy. It will only run on half used batterys (It will die after about 4-6 seconds after putting in a fresh battery) The sound quality also started to get bad. I am not sure what's wrong, but I got a Creative Zen Micro for Christmas and I am very happy.

http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=10795
i just updated the lyra to its last product update, runs WMAs now, 64kbs coded WMA is alot better than 64 mp3, it doesnt drop parts of the song

if you can tell anything is missing, it was encoded really crappily
Erh...at low encoding rates with a crappy encoder everything starts blending together...

Erh...at low encoding rates with a crappy encoder everything starts blending together...
192 is NOT low encoding, 192 is fairly high

I rip most of my music at 128kbs WMA files. WMA files are of higher quality than mp3 files, and the small size helps me fit tons of them onto my mp3 player.

192 is NOT low encoding, 192 is fairly high
I was talking about 56...not this in general. Though I can see it happen, I notice differences between my CD versions and my mp3 versions of songs.

I am collecting best buy gift cards for christmas. And i plan on buying an ipod with them. and i am excited. it will work perfectly fine for what i need it for. :)

I have an iPod, the 20 gig model and I have about 3.7 gigs filled up on it with around 850 songs.

Reasons not to get an iPod:

1) The iPod is only compatable with Apple's software, and Apple's file formats. (iTunes downloads only play in iTunes or iPod, also no WMA support)
That's kinda the whole reason why the iPod comes with the iTunes software. So far, I've had no problems with getting mp3's to my iPod so long as I put them into my iTunes first. Which only takes about as much time it takes to browse for the song.

1 gig, FM Tuner, Dictaphone ( up to 36 hours recording ) , Works as 1 gig Flash Drive, Built On USB Connector ( Under Cap Cover at far end ) and 12 hours play back ... ( MP3 + WMA ) ... AAA battery ...

http://www.strathfield.com/images/SimpleProducts/large/BX1GB.jpg

Only $ 250 AUD, a rather nice little package which suits my needs ...

* Notice, " MP3 " logo effect seen on cap at the far end of the device, this model looks very similar to the 256 mb model and they've accidentally used the same picture twice ...

Also the case is that cool rubber - ised effect plastic too.

* * At the end of the day, fuck advertising, buy what you want, what suits your needs and is most cost effective ...

* * * I did not buy a Creative brand device as I heard a few horror stories about the solid state memory being very brittle so I steered clear this time around. Heard this from friends here in RL location as well as on #nationstates on IRC. I might buy a Creative of some sort next year or two ... I hear Sony has some reasonable competition for the Ipod dominance rolling out now ...

Idiot.

*shakes head*

Congratulations on purchasing another overpriced, overrated, underpowered Apple product.

Congratulations on purchasing another overpriced, overrated, underpowered Apple product.
your mom buys another overpriced, overrated, underpowered Apple product.

*thumbs up*

Nomad or Rio players

Hello?!?

iRiver, anyone?

Rio does rock, though. I recently got a Carbon.

The iPod... -_- (Sigh) and they say Microsoft products are bad...

I agree, iPods are way overpriced...same w/ the iMacs themselves.

Almost all other players are better the the iPod. Take a look at the iRiver, for instance.

I think that the iPod is overrated.

Anyway, I got a new computer!!! I now have 70GB, CD burner, DVD player and webcam!!

who actually needs a 20-100 gig piece of merchandise just to play music? why the hell do you have that much music, and even if you do, you will ENVER lsiten to that mch, not to mention the batteries will die before you get through a couple gigs
SOMEONE'S jealous....
;)

SOMEONE'S jealous....
;)

Wouldn't buy one myself, but I'd take one as a gift. :p

http://kakaku.aol.co.jp/images/productimage/fullscale/01301010322.jpg

Just got it for Christmas. I absolutely adore it. I also hate iPods because they're hideously ugly.

Edit: And can I note that in real life it's about 2/3rd the size of the photo? Squee!

Well, like I said, I can't actually tell a difference between 256 and 320 for the most part. In certain songs, though, I can tell there are some sound effects and even bit of guitars missing in the 192 version (or that's what it sounds like, I don't really know the mechanics behind the encoding). I take my music too seriously to allow that sort of thing.
What rate are CDs encoded as?

SOMEONE'S jealous....
;)
no, SOME ONE is practical.

I've seen alot of crap in this theard, listen I can work some of it.

I've owned about 3 MP3 players. I've owned an Rio and an Creative. But once you actually use an ipod you'll know why it's better. My ipod mini has enough room for 1,000 songs and I've filled up about 70% of it. And I don't have to carry around a bulky CD player

1. WMA is only better than MP3 at lower bit rates.
2. AAC is better than WMA and MP3 and apple uses AAC which are encoded at 128k, though itunes can play up to 350k a second. So you can encode your music as high as you want.
3. itunes will play MP3s
4. itunes converts WMA's into hi birate MP3s which means that they will sound just as good the orginal.
5. The battery lasts 500-600 charges, which is pretty damm good for a battery like that.
6. Ever hear of a little thing called " Apple Lossless " which means it's LOSSLESS it sounds just as good as the CD orginal and an 3 minute song takes up about 15 mb. Which is much better than the 120 mb a CD uses.
7. Click Wheel, so perfect

I've seen alot of crap in this theard, listen I can work some of it.

I've owned about 3 MP3 players. I've owned an Rio and an Creative. But once you actually use an ipod you'll know why it's better. My ipod mini has enough room for 1,000 songs and I've filled up about 70% of it. And I don't have to carry around a bulky CD player

1. WMA is only better than MP3 at lower bit rates.
2. AAC is better than WMA and MP3 and apple uses AAC which are encoded at 128k, though itunes can play up to 350k a second. So you can encode your music as high as you want.
3. itunes will play MP3s
4. itunes converts WMA's into hi birate MP3s which means that they will sound just as good the orginal.
5. The battery lasts 500-600 charges, which is pretty damm good for a battery like that.
6. Ever hear of a little thing called " Apple Lossless " which means it's LOSSLESS it sounds just as good as the CD orginal and an 3 minute song takes up about 15 mb. Which is much better than the 120 mb a CD uses.
7. Click Wheel, so perfect
lossless is a waste of space, you will NEVER notice the difference, ever. your hearing is NORMALLY not that acute

and if it only runs on that one battey, welcoem to piece of crap land. its better to get a mp3 player that uses external batteries so it doesnt become utterly useless after the battery fucks up and cant be used any more.

all your reasons ipods are better are asinine and not realistic reasons.

SOMEONE'S jealous....
;)

Santa bought my oldest daughter a 40 gig model IPOD and she's in hog heaven. Now, she doesn't have to lug her entire CD collection and CD Player 'round.

P.S. Santa bought my other daughter a new computer - 160 GBs of hard drive space; two DVD drives - one writeable. I forget how fast the processor is. Plugged the thing in, it almost took off.

I'm jealous!

lossless is a waste of space, you will NEVER notice the difference, ever. your hearing is NORMALLY not that acute

and if it only runs on that one battey, welcoem to piece of crap land. its better to get a mp3 player that uses external batteries so it doesnt become utterly useless after the battery fucks up and cant be used any more.

all your reasons ipods are better are asinine and not realistic reasons.
You can get yourself a nice external battery pack that runs up to 60 hours if you really want to.
And the battery recharges in 30 minutes.
And 500 charges is alot for a recharable battery. And when you think about it it's actually CHEAPER than buying batterys over and over again for an MP3 player.
And Encoding and format make a HUGE different in how good your music sounds. If you have the hardware to back it up like my 60 dollar earbuds that form a seal inside your ear. Which makes a huge difference, GO APPLE!

And the ipod mini and ipod are JUST BUILT BETTER!

lossless is a waste of space, you will NEVER notice the difference, ever. your hearing is NORMALLY not that acute

and if it only runs on that one battey, welcoem to piece of crap land. its better to get a mp3 player that uses external batteries so it doesnt become utterly useless after the battery fucks up and cant be used any more.

all your reasons ipods are better are asinine and not realistic reasons.
Actually, I have noticed the difference between an mp3 and apple lossless, you just need the right sort of headphones...

Like my apple in ears....

Your very gay i wish u were dead :sniper:

I think you're looking for the "Corrupt a Wish" thread. ;)

The deal with iPod batteries: As a previous poster noted, 500 charges aint bad. If your iPod battery happens to go kaput within a year, it is covered under warranty. If not, 100 dollars to replace the battery is not so painful anyway, if you have gotten more than a year's use of it.

1 gig, FM Tuner, Dictaphone ( up to 36 hours recording ) , Works as 1 gig Flash Drive, Built On USB Connector ( Under Cap Cover at far end ) and 12 hours play back ... ( MP3 + WMA ) ... AAA battery ...

http://www.strathfield.com/images/SimpleProducts/large/BX1GB.jpg

Only $ 250 AUD, a rather nice little package which suits my needs ...

* Notice, " MP3 " logo effect seen on cap at the far end of the device, this model looks very similar to the 256 mb model and they've accidentally used the same picture twice ...

Also the case is that cool rubber - ised effect plastic too.

* * At the end of the day, fuck advertising, buy what you want, what suits your needs and is most cost effective ...

* * * I did not buy a Creative brand device as I heard a few horror stories about the solid state memory being very brittle so I steered clear this time around. Heard this from friends here in RL location as well as on #nationstates on IRC. I might buy a Creative of some sort next year or two ... I hear Sony has some reasonable competition for the Ipod dominance rolling out now ...

Yes but you payed $250 for 1 gig...now times that by 20 for the same memory as my iPod, which i payed £220 for. Is the iPod really so overpriced?

Yes but you payed $250 for 1 gig...now times that by 20 for the same memory as my iPod, which i payed £220 for. Is the iPod really so overpriced?250 AUD ~= £95. And you certainly don't pay "per byte of memory" for a music player -- or at least it doesn't make any sense to.

Flash players are overpriced. Your paying up to 250 for these things, for the SAME PRICE you could get an iPod mini that as 4GIGS
And for 50 bucks more you can get 20 GIGS!

The Mr. I know everything about MP3 players and think iPods suck, what MP3 player do you recommend?
Just about anything but an iPod.

Just about anything but an iPod.
*shakes head*

how embarassing for you

Kinda late, but...

http://www.mpio.com/images/fl300_03_01.gif

This thing is freakin awesome! 256 megs of space in an mp3 player that's like the size of a lighter...

And I have a semi-decent music collection on my HD (22 gigs).... Any of you people ever heard of rotating songs? Shit, I only have this thing a bit above half full... You people may think that I'm crazy, but I just don't see the point of having my entire music collection on me 24/7...

But that's just me....

And I have a semi-decent music collection on my HD (22 gigs).... Any of you people ever heard of rotating songs? Shit, I only have this thing a bit above half full... You people may think that I'm crazy, but I just don't see the point of having my entire music collection on me 24/7...

But that's just me....

Yes, its just you. Why should i invest time into rotating, when i can put it all on the HD and never spend a single second thought about it.

Yes, its just you. Why should i invest time into rotating, when i can put it all on the HD and never spend a single second thought about it.
and not waste so much time for that matter