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How long will US continue to be a super-power? It's undiputed that US is the most powerful country, but how long will it be this way? (like, Spain used to be a few centuries ago, but its "Golden Age" fell shortly after its Armada incident)

If ever (!), which country would "succeed"?

Texas, we don't stand for that "new age" crap.

That's beyond my thinking capability. The world's next hyperpower will probably be China.

I think the US will last as a power until the world gets over itself and unifies.

The US has the potential to remain in power for a long time to come so long as it doesn't become too involved in overseas commitments. On that note, China would probably be next in line, assuming that the PRC government reamins in power and that it's economic boom continues.

meh, it'll last for as long as there is consumer demand that can be satisfied. After that, we'll collapse into a cold death. The world will feel the shocks and it'll take a few years to recover.

But China will probably take over. Good luck with that you guys.

I would like to say within a century its power will start to decline, but I can't support that much because its power is still on the upswing. AS for successor though, as things currently stand, I agree with most of these posters that China would probably succeed. But as for capitalist countries I would say probably Japan, Germany, and Britain, in that order but close together.

There are certainly probable nations that may take this position.

Asian nations like Japan and China have only recently become economic powerhouses, and certainly make for a worthy economic adversary to the U.S.

But I believe that the nation that outstrips the U.S. won't really be a nation, but an economically-unified entity: The European Union. Consider: a few years ago, the Euro's value surpassed that of the U.S. Dollar, and continues to remain steady or rise while the Dollar slowly but surely loses its value. Also consider that european nations are becoming less and less dependant on the U.S. both economically and militaristically, while the U.S. is becoming increasingly reliant on foreign imports.

who else likes bacon?

i give america about 15 minutes...


anyone got some dr.pepper?

December 21, 2012 - when the world as we know it comes to an end. Then everyone's screwed. Eventually the cockraoches rise up and extablish a new order that lasts for several hundred thousand to several million years, and then they'll kill eachother off and it'll be the next species turn.

BTW cockroaches love both bacon and Dr Pepper. But then, they aren't too choosey.

December 21, 2012 - when the world as we know it comes to an end. Then everyone's screwed. Eventually the cockraoches rise up and extablish a new order that lasts for several hundred thousand to several million years, and then they'll kill eachother off and it'll be the next species turn.
awesome idea.

As someone before posted, the only way the US could collapse due to outside military pressure would be if the world-or at least several large players of it-united, and that probebly won't happen.

Nuclear weapons, as horrible as they may be, are the ultimate equalizers. Until someone finds a way to shoot them down in midair or something. Some kind of defense system. Wait...crap.

Secondly, the US and the Rest of the World have an interesting relationship. They make stuff, we waste it. Lets face it-in this capitalistic society, especially in these times, waste is needed for the world to continue to turn. As such, the world depends on the US to buy their shit, just like we depend on them to give us shit to buy.

*HOWEVER*

As someone noted the EU has been raising in economic poweress lately. If/when the US declines, assuming things stay the way they're headed, my bet would be that the EU becomes the next "superpower." Though of course not in the way it's been used up to this point. The fact is, with nuclear arms, money is mroe important then military might.

Never. We will always be on top.

That 2012 world-end philosophy is really freaking paranoia-inducing.

power generally shifts west japan would be in power now if not for the US stripping their military
give it two hundred years then the US will become like England a superpower but not THE superpower
China is next

The US has the potential to remain in power for a long time to come so long as it doesn't become too involved in overseas commitments. On that note, China would probably be next in line, assuming that the PRC government reamins in power and that it's economic boom continues.

I don't know if China will be the next superpower, as I figure that it will go through some serious political upheavals here in the near future. All of those guys running the successful capitalist companies are going to start agitating for political power soon.

Plus, most of the developed world is very unhappy with China for patent violations right about now.

no, china is definetly the next superpower.. infact... *superpower meter beeps*

china. has. taken. superpower. *beep*

That 2012 world-end philosophy is really freaking paranoia-inducing.

*in a spanish accent*
I do not think that means what you think it means.


Sorry, didn't mean to induce freaking paranoia. The world won't end. It will go on for ever and ever and ever and the good ole' U S of A is always gonna be the shinning star of Democracy, Freedom and apple pie for the rest of the Godless world. There. Feel better?

But yeah, China is gonna is definitely gonna kick everyone's ass here before much longer. The EU will be the other big player at the table and the new economic cold war will be between the two of them.

On a lighter note, America will become the third world dumping ground for cheaply made products that will break after six months and which will only purchased at Walmart as Walmart will be the only store in America to buy things anymore. Prices will have to be low as everyone will work at Walmart or some fast food joint unless they have some lucrative civil servant job. The now ultra wealthy will have followed their jobs off-shore and be living on giant floating islands where there wont be any ugly people, minorities, or ex-employees to bother them.

Now how's that for paranoia? :D

*in a spanish accent*
I do not think that means what you think it means.


Sorry, didn't mean to induce freaking paranoia. The world won't end. It will go on for ever and ever and ever and the good ole' U S of A is always gonna be the shinning star of Democracy, Freedom and apple pie for the rest of the Godless world. There. Feel better?

But yeah, China is gonna is definitely gonna kick everyone's ass here before much longer. The EU will be the other big player at the table and the new economic cold war will be between the two of them.

On a lighter note, America will become the third world dumping ground for cheaply made products that will break after six months and which will only purchased at Walmart as Walmart will be the only store in America to buy things anymore. Prices will have to be low as everyone will work at Walmart or some fast food joint unless they have some lucrative civil servant job. The now ultra wealthy will have followed their jobs off-shore and be living on giant floating islands where there wont be any ugly people, minorities, or ex-employees to bother them.

Now how's that for paranoia? :D


too long. i just read spanish accent and paranoia...

too long. i just read spanish accent and paranoia...

Yeah, it's late. Sorry. I should keep my posts shorter. But that last big-ass paragraph is super paranoia-inducing and it was fun to write.

Based on the "rise and fall" trend observed in big history, the decline of US power has already begun. I will look up my notes, but I believe the estimate was 20-40 years.

thats what i thought too.

ima move to austria. they already had teir downfall... its safe.

The US isn't immortal, it'll fall into lesser power like the rest of its predecessors. I also agree with the people above, China will likely be next. Though I believe Japan and Germany have the potential. I'm saying this because Japan is currently the technological capital of the east. Germany, I believe, is the economic hub of Europe. They've got the automobile industries. -Thanks the Germans for the Mercedes and Volkswagon and the Japanese for Sony and Hitachi- ^_^

all empires fall...

USA wil be a world power for another hundred years or so. (based on comparing with the timeline of the Roman republic/empire)

Who will succeed: everyone will become just like us :D

This is tongue-in-cheek, but only slightly. Japan is a good example of what I mean... they started out being about as different from the USA as can be, but eventually (after a lot of fighting) became very similar, of course with their own flavor.

so everyone in the world will get fat and pop?

Now here's a thought...
Suppose something really drastic that brings the US, China, and the EU down all together... then Canada would take over as world superpower... Woudn't that be weird?

Seems the one you don't expect is always the one who does it.
Besides, Canadian Economy is going up. We havn't had our fall yet either.

Now here's a thought...
Suppose something really drastic that brings the US, China, and the EU down all together... then Canada would take over as world superpower... Woudn't that be weird?

Seems the one you don't expect is always the one who does it.
Besides, Canadian Economy is going up. We havn't had our fall yet either.

Canada would just look around and go "ey bob, its cold, eh? "whatchyou talkin aboot, dave?"

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How long will US continue to be a super-power? It's undiputed that US is the most powerful country, but how long will it be this way? (like, Spain used to be a few centuries ago, but its "Golden Age" fell shortly after its Armada incident)

If ever (!), which country would "succeed"?
Until the U.S
1. takes over the world indirectly or directly
2.gets taken over by aliens or mutants or tidal waves or something like that
it will always be in power.

Canada would just look around and go "ey bob, its cold, eh? "whatchyou talkin aboot, dave?"


At least the Canadians wouldn't be invading people all the time. Lol, might be a nicer planet.

Of course.. as a great Canadian comedian once said..

"We should just attack somebody, we could pull it off. Really, who would believe Canada's invading? I bet we could get away with two or three of them before anyone caught on!"

I give it 25 years

in 25 years the US tax base will have stayed the same but the people claiming medicare will have doubled. The US will become and will become bankrupt

at the same time China will had passed the US in terms of economic power 5 years ago.

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"We should just attack somebody, we could pull it off. Really, who would believe Canada's invading? I bet we could get away with two or three of them before anyone caught on!"


aha, hey bob, whatcha crazy canadians doin here, with your hunting rifles'? *bang bnag* ow! you shot me! oh thats a good one bob! haha!

The US will rule forever, when Bush get's his third term (hell, he's won twice illegally, why can't he manage to pull it off a third time?) the US will invade the rest of the world, there will be no other country left to take over, apart from the small insignificant nations who never had a chance anyway like Australia, Norway, Canada and Fiji.

what about katmandu?

The US will rule forever, when Bush get's his third term (hell, he's won twice illegally, why can't he manage to pull it off a third time?) the US will invade the rest of the world, there will be no other country left to take over, apart from the small insignificant nations who never had a chance anyway like Australia, Norway, Canada and Fiji.

American president's can't serve more then two terms.
So he'll win this one legally, making it his first legal term.. that way he can have 2 more before he goes illegal again.

what about katmandu?

No, they have secret underground armies.

The US knows about them.

They will be the next to go, this is my one and only warning to the people of Katmandu, leave your country now! Dubya is onto you!

only thing aybud is onto is crack.

The US hasn't been a Super Power since Reagan surrender in the Cold War and started shipping American technologies, factories, and jobs to communist China. Now America is just a sad facade keeping up the appearance of a Super Power while the Republicans siphon off the wealth of America's pampered working class for their communist masters.

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How long will US continue to be a super-power? ...

If ever (!), which country would "succeed"?

Generally super powers last about 500 years from rise to down fall. The US would be just about in the middle of that. Considering that developements are quickening up, the US have about 100-200 years left as a considerable power.

Who will succeed? That's the really hard part of the question. My guess is that nobody will actually take over the US. As with most super powers, the US will collapse from a combination of internal and external causes. The biggest chance of success is for nations that manage to cooperate. The countries of the EU are on an important learning process in that aspect.

The USA will remain a superpower till the world's oil surplus runs out. That will happen in around 20 years, then the whole of the western economy of the world will grind to a halt.

I give it 25 years

in 25 years the US tax base will have stayed the same but the people claiming medicare will have doubled. The US will become and will become bankrupt

at the same time China will had passed the US in terms of economic power 5 years ago.

Same for most of Europe, except they've promised much more to the retirees than America has

In 25 years, we'll all be eating rice and speaking Chinese. How can a billion people be wrong?

I think it's pretty much a given that the US's power will wane sooner or later. The historical trend is pretty clear.

A power, or powers, emerges through innovation, natural advantages, luck or a combination of the 3.

Gradually as any power grows it starts to exert more and more influence over other nations, either through direct annexation or other means. Generally this helps spur on the devolopment of those nations within the power's sphere.

As these nations get closer to the level of development of the major power, however, they start to demand more independence and become resentful of power being exerted over them from a distance (provided they are relatively secure defense-wise).

This is usually exacerbated by domestic issues in the power itself. As major powers get near their peak complacency usually sets in. This, coupled with the demands of a very high standard of living, makes the power less competitive and less responsive.

Finally another power comes along and either defeats the established power(s) militarily or else offers a more enticing model for the smaller nations.


I see no reason at all why the US won't follow this pattern. Some may argue that the US is a very different power from those before it and so the pattern doesn't apply. Unfortunately most other powers have used the same logic and been proved wrong.

How long will it take? No idea. At the moment it seems like the ball is rolling, with the US adopting an increasingly arrogant attitude. But that may just be a temporary blip rather than an indicator of a long term trend. I would guess before the century is out, though, America will no longer be the dominant power it is now.

As for who will replace it, well, I don't agree with the popular point of view that it'll be China. First, China has never been particularly interested in events beyond its immediate borders and so it's unlikely it would become a globe-spanning superpower. Second, China is booming at the moment largely off the back of increasing economic liberalisation and natural advantages in terms of population. This will eventually peter out; there's only so much liberalising that can be done and even China will run out of cheap labour eventually. When this happens the gross inefficiencies of the Chinese business model will become more noticable. Unless these are changed, then, I don't see China being able to sustain its growth sufficiently to replace the US. And since the problems stem from deep-lying issues in Chinese culture I can't see them changing any time soon.

Japan is another possibility, especially now they are becoming more assertive in terms of foreign policy, but they, too, have their own deep-seated problems to sort out. The most likely guess, IMHO, would be Europe. It's worth noting that at the same time as the US is becoming very heavy-handed in its foreign policy the EU is starting to develop its own foreign policy voice, one which is more appealing to most states than the US's attitude. By seeming like a less assertive, more understanding alternative to the US the EU could do to the US what the US did to the old European imperial powers, woo smaller nations away with a more appealing, less arrogant attitude. However, the EU still has so many internal issues to resolve its position is by no means certain.

If it's not the EU then it'll probably be somebody completely unexpected (and who would have expected the US to become a superpower at the start of the 19th century?) It will be someone, however, of that I am certain.

a Unified World government wouldn't be too bad :) i'm american even i'd go for that. Too bad not many other countries would cooperate with such a thing. Then it would just turn into a civil war between a union of nations versus those who did not want to join ..the explosions and the death and the science fiction like story line :O

Well, considering how fragile everything is between China and the US, I would say that signs point to China becoming a superpower. Also, a somewhat-little-known-fact is that China has paid off most of the US debt to other countries, so really, they already are a power since WE owe THEM money.

:O Everyone knows the illuminati control everything tch where were all of you? - paranoid glance- :P

History since recorded has shown us that no one country or empire stays in charge and or a "super power" forever. The USA will be no exception.

Well that was rather obvious, no one is truly saying it will last forever but the ending of super power status doesn't mean the end of a nation. Though we aren't really supoer power since our military ability was butchered by past presidents Bush Senior, Clinton especially. And a Military makes a super power not how much money you have and hand out to the poor. Though i don't mind much, It got the pacifists to remain silent for a good while. Anyway i'm more of an isolationist on that term anyway.

History since recorded has shown us that no one country or empire stays in charge and or a "super power" forever. The USA will be no exception.

The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States …

George Orwell, Notes on Nationalism, 1945

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How long will US continue to be a super-power? It's undiputed that US is the most powerful country, but how long will it be this way? (like, Spain used to be a few centuries ago, but its "Golden Age" fell shortly after its Armada incident)

If ever (!), which country would "succeed"?

I think the US' power will last only a few more decades, through the control of oil, upon which our world economy revolves. Most likely about the 50 years needed for our world's oil reserves to dry.

After that, the most serious possible successor would be China, if for no other reason than their numbers. A unified european union might be able to stand up to it, but other than that, I think we'd all better start learning mandarin as soon as possible :P

There's an argument to be made that the US is already in decline and is no longer the mightiest nation on earth. In fact, we may now be no better than third, with both China and India surpassing us. They both certainly seem to be more worried with each other than they are with us, perhaps because we've gotten ourselves bogged down in an unnecessary war while simultaneously neglecting the real threats that face us. We can still pull out of it, I think, but we'll never be the dominant power we were right after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

History since recorded has shown us that no one country or empire stays in charge and or a "super power" forever. The USA will be no exception.

good point...however, Rome was a superpower for roughly 600 years (including the Republican period), the British were for roughly a century, the Mongols hung around for 2 centuries, and the US has been a superpower since 1945 and a world power since 1900.....

so I think the US has a few years left to it.

Once we conquer the world it will be much easier (just kidding)

The US still has a lot of time as a superpower. And even when we do fall, we'll still be a considerable power for another 100 years after that. Look at England. We'll turn into a giganic version of them in about 300 years. We are still the world's supreme military power with over 1500 nukes. If China were to shart a nuclear war with us, we would obliterate Shanghi, Beijing, Hong Kong, and most of their population in minutes. Seriously, our nukes is what keeps us up.

No empire is meant to last forever. This surely applies to the US of A.
The United States has already shown weakness in its based and though surely this weaknesses will be repaired more will also emerge and with over 2 billion oppositors pressing on the United States not be able to hold on forever.

I think the US will last as a power until the world gets over itself and unifies.
I Definitely do not agree with this, for no as long as the US is a superpower the world will not unify. For the world to Unify their has to be an international stalemate.

-Before anyone disagrees answer me....
-would you give up being almighty for equality?


The new superpower would be china unless the new alliance thats apparently forming with the ex-soviets turns out succesful... but the US is already doing everything diplomatically possible to stop it.

Interesting debate. I tend to agree with China and the EU being the next superpowers, but I don't think anyone is taking into account how the US will react to these, for that changes the scenerio. Having other competitors usually fuels competition and the US will either adapt, forced to, or fall even faster. I think the EU will make America relook at how to be more efficient as the EU gains momentum.

I also think Britian, Japan, and other small countries don't have a chance of being a true superpower in this day of global politics, other than through unions or eventually possibly federated states. There is a certain truth to size mattering, and unless we start up imperialism again, unions like that have begun in semi-recent history are probably the way to go. Russia, China, and the EU are likely to rise to power in this form.

Power of control follows financial power follows resource power. The next superpower is the first society to embrace a viable alternative (or many) to petroleum.

And so far, not a one has done it.

Until WWIII when the world is devastated and the world unites out of neccessity.

History since recorded has shown us that no one country or empire stays in charge and or a "super power" forever. The USA will be no exception.
However, the US is the first power of its kind in the age of technology. With new technological developments, it's impossible to know what in the world could happen next.

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However, the US is the first power of its kind in the age of technology. With new technological developments, it's impossible to know what in the world could happen next.

That makes little sense as technology is only relevent to the actual age we are in.
During the British Empire the same could have been said for the industrial revolution or numerous other technological breakthroughs which at the time would have made people think their power would last forever. It never has and never will.

power generally shifts west japan would be in power now if not for the US stripping their military
give it two hundred years then the US will become like England a superpower but not THE superpower
China is next
Nazi Germany would be a world power if we hadn't kicked their asses. What's your point with Japan?

Id say it will last 10-20 more years. I dont think there will be any more single nation superpowers. The new world order that has been emerging since the collapse of communism is one composed of groups of nations. Therefore, the superpowers will probably be the EU and NAFTA (The US, Canada, and Mexico).

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How long will US continue to be a super-power? It's undiputed that US is the most powerful country, but how long will it be this way? (like, Spain used to be a few centuries ago, but its "Golden Age" fell shortly after its Armada incident)

If ever (!), which country would "succeed"?

Ummm. . . Wouldn't it need to become the sole superpower first. . . ?

PS: It's very disputed depending on who you ask.

What I don't get it why everyone is suspecting the EU will be the next superpower. The EU is now full of Socialist countries caring for their people more then caring for world policies. While China's GDP growth rate is at 9%, the EUs powers such as Germany and France are wading in the open ocean. Germanies GDP is falling, France's growth rate is at a measly .5%. The EU is no where close to becoming the next power. Europeans time has gone and gone.

I think the US has at least another century as the worlds top power. With the way India and China are developing, it's going to be one of the two who are going to take Americas place.

And those who invest wisely who will be by their side as second in command as the saying goes.

I think the US will last at least as long as it takes to build several American Imperial Star Destroyers and various other super high tech weapons.

After that it will be a simple matter of finding a delusional 20 year old, a jaded drug smuggler, and a highly evolved house pet to stop us.

Then our legacy will finally fade into the background radiation for eons to come.

What I don't get it why everyone is suspecting the EU will be the next superpower. The EU is now full of Socialist countries caring for their people more then caring for world policies. While China's GDP growth rate is at 9%, the EUs powers such as Germany and France are wading in the open ocean. Germanies GDP is falling, France's growth rate is at a measly .5%. The EU is no where close to becoming the next power. Europeans time has gone and gone.

The answer is in your question. Excactly because European countries care for their ppl, they will be more successful. The divide between poor and rich in the U.S. will keep increasing until there are riots in all major cities that will make Najaf look like the Woodstock of the East. Growth of the GDP is only one outdated measurement of advancement.

It is a typical error of ppl brainwashed by the American media, to believe bombing other countries like the Iraq or Somalia or You-name-it has anything to do with caring for someone else than America's own interests. But anyone who thinks the current war with Iraq (and no it has not been won yet) has anything to do with caring for "world policies" or democracy rather than some desperate Oil Multies getting their hands on some of the biggest oil resources in the world is simply not even trying to see the truth.

The answer is in your question. Excactly because European countries care for their ppl, they will be more successful. The divide between poor and rich in the U.S. will keep increasing until there are riots in all major cities that will make Najaf look like the Woodstock of the East. Growth of the GDP is only one outdated measurement of advancement.

It is a typical error of ppl brainwashed by the American media, to believe bombing other countries like the Iraq or Somalia or You-name-it has anything to do with caring for someone else than America's own interests. But anyone who thinks the current war with Iraq (and no it has not been won yet) has anything to do with caring for "world policies" or democracy rather than some desperate Oil Multies getting their hands on some of the biggest oil resources in the world is simply not even trying to see the truth.

Growth of the GDP is only one outdated measurement of advancement?

You realize that your reasons here are not solid, right? Gross Domestic Product is an excellent way of looking at things. You THINK you are helping your citizens. But you're not. If causing an economic collapse so that no one can have medicine is HELPING, we don't need any of your help. Don't worry. America can bail you out once again, just like we did for Asia a decade ago.

... If causing an economic collapse so that no one can have medicine is HELPING, we don't need any of your help...


So it seems to be the health care situation that you are jealous of : http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml

I'll give you 75 years max. Possibly as close to now as 20...

So it seems to be the health care situation that you are jealous of : http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml
We can both agree that health coverage is a problem that needs to be dealt with. Plowing tax dollars that could otherwise be used to grow the economy into an inefficient bureaucracy solves this problem, but it creates others. These other problems are going to catch up to Europe, sooner or later.

Now here's a thought...
Suppose something really drastic that brings the US, China, and the EU down all together... then Canada would take over as world superpower... Woudn't that be weird?

Seems the one you don't expect is always the one who does it.
Besides, Canadian Economy is going up. We havn't had our fall yet either.
This may have been awhile back, but I feel I must respond to it.

I honestly think we could. However, we need to stop being such damned pussies and take action where action needs to be taken, and get some politicans with balls. However, in order to upset the old order, a new one must be founded: the Labour Party of Canada. Essentially, think NDP/Liberals with balls.

Canada has something like 8 million males of military age. Even mobilising 1/4 of those would make us a world power (however unrealitic that goal is). Canada becoming powerful would take a long time, but it could be done. After all, did not Britain rule the world with a population of less than 40 million?

December 21, 2012 - when the world as we know it comes to an end. Then everyone's screwed. Eventually the cockraoches rise up and extablish a new order that lasts for several hundred thousand to several million years, and then they'll kill eachother off and it'll be the next species turn.

BTW cockroaches love both bacon and Dr Pepper. But then, they aren't too choosey.
I always hold 2020 as my predicted "Year of Fall".
To further quote the first page, bacon is icky and Dr Pepper is to me as Ambrosia was to the Gods.
To reply to topic, America's not going to hold up once the Euro gets it's act together, and China's boom won't help much either.
I see another World War going off between the Communist Asian Powers and the USA, with the "United Europe of Sovereign States" (the ideal goal of the European Union) desperately attempting to defuse the situation.

Growth of the GDP is only one outdated measurement of advancement?

You realize that your reasons here are not solid, right? Gross Domestic Product is an excellent way of looking at things. You THINK you are helping your citizens. But you're not. If causing an economic collapse so that no one can have medicine is HELPING, we don't need any of your help. Don't worry. America can bail you out once again, just like we did for Asia a decade ago.
If any country is staring an ecomonic collapse in the face right now, it's the US. The only reason we're not looking like Argentina in 1999 is because we're the US--we've got undeserved credit for our past fiscal discipline. If almost any other country had our current balance sheet, they'd be looking at double-digit interest for their national debt, and the kid gloves with which the world's economy has treated us for the last four years or so won't stay on forever. We'll either get our shit together, or we will be in a downturn that will make teh Great Depression look like a hiccup.

Seeing how i have studied alot of super-powers (The Roman Empire, Nazi Germany, the U.S.S.R., the British Empire), I give us about 75-150 years. I'm guessing that some war will happen between the U.S. and China in a few years (about 20) and we'll kick their communist arse. HOWEVER, this will cause to a popular revolution in China that leads it to become a democracy(the worlds second largest, seeing how India will have surpassed it). Then a cold-war esque situation will go down between India and China. Now, China has the advantage of having a friggen huge nation, army, alot of resources, and nukes. The Indians have the advantage of defeating the Pakistani's three times. Now, whoever wins will probably be next in line. Im guessing China would win, but if India could sway Pakistan to it's side...

Anyhoo, after this cold-war of sorts ends (im guessing by 2050), the United States will be in big trouble. We will have pissed off WAY too many people, and terrorist attacks will become as common as in Israel. Of course, we'll settle this by invading other peepz countries. Eventually, we will have gone to war with too many peoples and have so many revolts in conquered lands that we will have worn ourselves out (a la Soviet Union) by around 2115. Then, the Americans will flee to the moon and possibly Mars using our Space Program(which will probably still be the best), and leave Earth to itself. Then Canada will annex the U.S., and then Canada would have vast amounts of resources at it's disposal.

Then there will be four major players in world politics: Canada, The E.U., India or China, and (surprise surprise) Russia. I put Russia because Russia has VAST amounts of land, VAST amounts of resources, a powerful military, and by then it will be a dictatorship again(this one will have been started by our good friend Mr. Putin in the year 2011). Then there will be a few wars and stuff, and then someone will win. I bet my money on China, but those Frenchmen and Germans can be sly indeed.

Now, my guess may seem a bit far-fetched, but the year 2125 is far away. Who knows? We could have blown the world up already :D

"How long will US's world power last?"

2012

The answer is in your question. Excactly because European countries care for their ppl, they will be more successful. The divide between poor and rich in the U.S. will keep increasing until there are riots in all major cities that will make Najaf look like the Woodstock of the East. Growth of the GDP is only one outdated measurement of advancement.

It is a typical error of ppl brainwashed by the American media, to believe bombing other countries like the Iraq or Somalia or You-name-it has anything to do with caring for someone else than America's own interests. But anyone who thinks the current war with Iraq (and no it has not been won yet) has anything to do with caring for "world policies" or democracy rather than some desperate Oil Multies getting their hands on some of the biggest oil resources in the world is simply not even trying to see the truth.

Europeans are funny with their government controlled news inspiring hate towards those capitalistic american big dogs. Alot Europeans (certainly not all) view of the US is that half of us live on dirt farms and the other half are rich folks that like to drink oil and figure out ways to destroy the world.

This may have been awhile back, but I feel I must respond to it.

I honestly think we could. However, we need to stop being such damned pussies and take action where action needs to be taken, and get some politicans with balls. However, in order to upset the old order, a new one must be founded: the Labour Party of Canada. Essentially, think NDP/Liberals with balls.

Canada has something like 8 million males of military age. Even mobilising 1/4 of those would make us a world power (however unrealitic that goal is). Canada becoming powerful would take a long time, but it could be done. After all, did not Britain rule the world with a population of less than 40 million?
Yes, we Brits know how to conquer with a good mix of brutality and trade. Especially tea. We got very good at installing democracies and cultural adaptation was relatively easy for us. However, we pretty much handed the empire away as we lost control of our newly-instated democracies. Still, we did the world a favour while we reigned it. Now it's America's turn, and they're not doing a great job of it. Still, could be worse. Could be the French. ;)
Speaking of which, Canada would be quite worrying as a superpower. Combining elements of British, French, and American culture is already a rather strange notion (and a stranger country), so as a world superpower I can imagine you'd actually be pretty good.

If any country is staring an ecomonic collapse in the face right now, it's the US. The only reason we're not looking like Argentina in 1999 is because we're the US--we've got undeserved credit for our past fiscal discipline. If almost any other country had our current balance sheet, they'd be looking at double-digit interest for their national debt, and the kid gloves with which the world's economy has treated us for the last four years or so won't stay on forever. We'll either get our shit together, or we will be in a downturn that will make teh Great Depression look like a hiccup.

Right. We're getting on the road to economic recovery, and you say we're going to collapse. I know GWB is the world's worst economist, but I still think we're going to be ok DESPITE him.

World Superpowers

3000 B.C. Sumeria, Egypt

225 B.C. Greece, China

0 A.D. Roman Empire, Persia

300 A.D. Ottoman Empire, Persia

1000 A.D. Scandinavia, Mongolia

1500 A.D. Italy, England, Spain, Netherlands

1800 A.D. Great Britain, France, Spain, Russia

1900 A.D. United States, Great Britain, Russia, France, China

2000 A.D. United States

Predictions:

2100 A.D. United States, China, Japan, Russia

Isn't it interesting how world power is slowly shifting back to the East?

World Superpowers

1500 A.D. Italy, England, Spain, Netherlands



In 1500AD, England was a fairly minor player in the European world. Same with Italy - it was very rich but fragmented and relied on mercenaries. France was the main power.

US will never fall!!!!

Well, we might, but it will be awhile. We already have an alternative to oil, hydrogen anyone? Several major companies have working fuel cell cars, the only thing holding them back, is the lack of an infrastructure to support it, estimates say that infrastructure should be in place within 5 years, and mass oil consumption, will be a thing of the past.

Thats why the whole invading Iraq for oil thing is bullshit, we produce enough for ourselves, we've just been stockpileing it. If we had to, we could last 10 years on our own reserves.

Whats tearing us up, is the social programs, the goverment takes so much money away in taxes, to give to people that dont work, that you have to work twice as hard to break even, and then they see your making more money, and take more. The average american pays nearly 40% in taxes, and its going up. Thats whats gonna kill us, the goverment is spending too much internally.

China may be the next superpower, but so could the EU or even Japan or Germany.

US will never fall!!!!

Well, we might, but it will be awhile. We already have an alternative to oil, hydrogen anyone? Several major companies have working fuel cell cars, the only thing holding them back, is the lack of an infrastructure to support it, estimates say that infrastructure should be in place within 5 years, and mass oil consumption, will be a thing of the past.

5 years? Quadruple that. No effort will be made with this administration just getting 4 more years.

Thats why the whole invading Iraq for oil thing is bullshit, we produce enough for ourselves, we've just been stockpileing it. If we had to, we could last 10 years on our own reserves. What? Did you see what happened this summer to oil prices? They were over $50 a barrel, and why? Yukos and some other very silly things. Just relying on US oil would make oil prices skyrocket way past $50. What a nightmare!


Whats tearing us up, is the social programs, the goverment takes so much money away in taxes, to give to people that dont work, that you have to work twice as hard to break even, and then they see your making more money, and take more. The average american pays nearly 40% in taxes, and its going up. Thats whats gonna kill us, the goverment is spending too much internally.

It's not 40%. And we're cutting social programs, remember? Plus cutting taxes.

China Vs. US -What will happen?

Ok, first China tries to annex back Taiwan. Taiwan say's, "no way! Were not going to be a part of you." So Taiwan goes ahead and purchases more weapons from the US such as Agies cruisers and defense technology (just in case). China then places an embargo on the US. Nonetheless, the US continues to send food and weapons. China gets pissed and declares the US action toward Taiwan is an act of war. China then declares war over the US.

Most NATO nations will back out of the treaty and say screw this shit. The US moves the bulk of the Navy to the Pacific Ocean. The US will strike against China’s Navy in the South China Sea and will use a number of long range missiles to take out their air bases in southern China.

Russia takes the opportunity to open up trade relations with China. Russia becomes China’s main source of oil and profits big time. Meanwhile, China lunches a series of long range missile attacks along the west coast. However, they have a small success rate of hitting targets but, they’re subs manage to take out a dozen or so US ships in the South China Sea.

The war becomes a long stand off. China can’t invade the US because of the distance, and the US won’t invade because it’s just plain suicide. China then becomes hungry. Since the embargo China lost its second largest source of food. Food riots break out and overall lack of confidence in the nation falls. The US becomes stricken with more debt. The dollar will fall lower, European relations will fall because of the NATO pull out, and a spike in the cost of technology. A huge surge in the private sector will help revive the US economy and Mexico and India will replace China for cheap labor.

The war will just slowly stop. China will have another revolution to deal with on its hand. The US will remain in South Asia for another fifty years. China will become a democracy over the course of five years after the war. US and China will be allied together and walk into the sunset holding hands. The End.

5 years? Quadruple that. No effort will be made with this administration just getting 4 more years.
It's not the administrations choice, the car companies are pushing it.


What? Did you see what happened this summer to oil prices? They were over $50 a barrel, and why? Yukos and some other very silly things. Just relying on US oil would make oil prices skyrocket way past $50. What a nightmare!

US isnt supplying oil to anyone, our shit, is our shit. Once the rest of the world is out of oil, we still have alaska, texas, and our stockpiles.




It's not 40%. And we're cutting social programs, remember? Plus cutting taxes.

It's 40%, 20% straight from the paycheck, 10% on sales tax, half of gas price is taxes, half of cigerette prices is taxes, car taxes, car registration, green sticker, etc.. etc.. etc...

It's not the administrations choice, the car companies are pushing it.You heard the man in his State of the Union. $1.2 billion. Over many years. That's chump change. I know car companies are pushing it, I just don't think they can make this stubborn Pres. forget his oil ties.

US isnt supplying oil to anyone, our shit, is our shit. Once the rest of the world is out of oil, we still have alaska, texas, and our stockpiles.Once the rest of the world is out of oil? Quiz for the folks playing at home: what will run out first, oil in Alaska, or oil in Saudi Arabia?

It's 40%, 20% straight from the paycheck, 10% on sales tax, half of gas price is taxes, half of cigerette prices is taxes, car taxes, car registration, green sticker, etc.. etc.. etc...Jesus, where do you live? 10% sales tax? If that's true, I'm with you: way too high.

It's not the administrations choice, the car companies are pushing it.

US isnt supplying oil to anyone, our shit, is our shit. Once the rest of the world is out of oil, we still have alaska, texas, and our stockpiles.

It's 40%, 20% straight from the paycheck, 10% on sales tax, half of gas price is taxes, half of cigerette prices is taxes, car taxes, car registration, green sticker, etc.. etc.. etc...
1. hydrogen is not a fuel source
2. mr bush could not find oil in texas
3. dont buy so much shit and you wont pay so much taxes

In 1500AD, England was a fairly minor player in the European world. Same with Italy - it was very rich but fragmented and relied on mercenaries. France was the main power.

He also was wrong in his predictions and about the rest of his post.

O AD "Persia" wath the hell is he talking about?
Their capitall (Persepolis) was destroyed twice by the Macedonians and even not rebuild at the same scale it was before the destruction in the year "0". Aso aso with mistakes.
BTW, the US a superpower in 1900? Hell even tiny EU nations marine were bigger at that momentn not to forget the real superpowers, the UK empire, French empire, and (he forgot) Austria - Hungary wich was far more important then Prussia in 1900.

He also was wrong in his predictions and about the rest of his post.

O AD "Persia" wath the hell is he talking about?
Their capitall (Persepolis) was destroyed twice by the Macedonians and even not rebuild at the same scale it was before the destruction in the year "0". Aso aso with mistakes.
BTW, the US a superpower in 1900? Hell even tiny EU nations marine were bigger at that momentn not to forget the real superpowers, the UK empire, French empire, and (he forgot) Austria - Hungary wich was far more important then Prussia in 1900.

1. "Persia" was baisically destroyed in 1 A.D. (There is no 0). It was controlled by the Parthian Emprie.

2. Prussia, while not as important, turned out to be many times more powerful than Austria-Hungary in WWI.

3. The U.S. wasn't a super-power in 1900, rather it was a colonial power. We had completely destroyed the Spanish Carribean and Pacific fleet's and took over all of its colonies except for the ones in Africa and the Canaries. We had colonies all across the pacific (The Philipenes (sp?), Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico...)

4. It actually depends which tiny nations you are talking about. Lithuania? No. Switzerland? No. Portugal? Maybe, but not likely. Serbia? No. Greece? No.
The U.S. turned out to surprise the europeans on many occasions (such as kicking the Brits out. Twice. Defeating the Mexicans in the Mexican-America war [The mexicans were backed by most European nations], the Civil War, and last but not least utterly crushing the Spanish), so while I wouldn't say that in 1900 the U.S. was more powerful than Britain(We became as equal probably at the end of WWI, and we surpased them in the '50;s), but it was certainly more powerful than nations like, say, the Netherlands or Portugal.

the US will fall when its freedoms are lost. Scince thats happening more and more every days with laws like the partic act i see the fall coming some time in my life time 1988-20?? After that either Canada being a fairly new nation, will be number 1, or china being very productive and slowing moving out of communism and more and more becomeing capitlist. They'll next to rule. The thrid oppition is like what happened in the book "Alas Babylon" the super powers start a huge nuclear war, we all die, only a few small nation survive they live the rest of their lifes in peace and civiliztion starts over :eek:

Seeing how i have studied alot of super-powers (The Roman Empire, Nazi Germany, the U.S.S.R., the British Empire), I give us about 75-150 years. I'm guessing that some war will happen between the U.S. and China in a few years (about 20)

Why?

and we'll kick their communist arse.

Even bigger why?

PS Just out of curiosity, how much do those of you who've nominated China as the next superpower actually know about the country?

The rest of the world will blow each other up while Greece is the next superpower. Just kidding. No, actually i'm not :p