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So, as the devastation that has struck the southeast asia area is becoming clear to the rest of the world, it becomes clear that foreign aid will be needed in these areas to help the people recover from this tragedy. Of course many nations will give international aid, but a question is who will give the most? Who do you think?

The US? We have pretty good relations with Taiwan so I'm pretty sure we'll have some sort of aid going over there.

We talking about which country will give the biggest grand total amount of aid, or the country will give the biggest aid proportionate to what they can?

We talking about which country will give the biggest grand total amount of aid, or the country will give the biggest aid proportionate to what they can?
Biggest grand total. Because, let's face it, it's not the thought that counts. It's the resources.

It really depends on what you mean by "the most", doesn't it.

Are you considering :

(1) the pure dollar value
(2) the amount per capita
(3) the amount as a percentage of GDP
(4) the amount expressed as a proportion of GDP divided by population

Surely one would expect the richer and more populous nations to contribute the most as a "pure dollar" amount.

But it would be of far greater value to consider one of the other amounts or rates.

Unless, of course, charity is to be regarded as some sort of international status competition.

And you wouldn't want that, would you?

Proportinately somewhere like Sweden will probably give the most, proving that Social Democrat countries are better for the world.

But in grand-total, probably America, but it will be peanuts compared to what the should give.

Either way it's a status competition. What we're talking about is the most dollars out-and-out.

Either way it's a status competition. What we're talking about is the most dollars out-and-out.

I cannot find the words to comment on how a disasterous tragedy for thousands (at least) has become a status competition for you.

Shame.

I cannot find the words to comment on how a disasterous tragedy for thousands (at least) has become a status competition for you.

Shame.
It's not a status competition to me. I'm just saying that that's what it's going to become, no matter what.

The US will, if only so that its businesses can continue sweatshop labor over there. :/

It's not a status competition to me. I'm just saying that that's what it's going to become, no matter what.

Oh, I see.

You do not what it to be seen as a status competition.

You just want to see it judged that way, because "that's what it's going to become" and are happy to provide the ground rules to be applied for that judgement.

Well that clears that up then, doesn't it?

at least 3 americans were killed from that tsunami... the US has stated we are "very obligated" or something like that... i would expect we would give the most aid.....

Proportinately somewhere like Sweden will probably give the most, proving that Social Democrat countries are better for the world.
So you want to use a tragedy to promote your ideology. Yeah, I guess that makes your ideology better than anything else.

No I don't, I was making a passing comment, I have family friends in an affected area of Thailand at the moment, political ideologie is the least of my worries.

Why would I use a tragedy to promote my ideology, it isn't my ideology to start with, and I don't push my ideology on anyone.

This is a pretty awful tragedy. I can't believe that something like 12,000 people have died so far. That's four times as many as on 11/9/2001 and 36 times as many as Beslan 3/9/2004.

My country, Ireland, has given €1 million to Red Cross to aid the area, but I don't think it's enough.

But in grand-total, probably America, but it will be peanuts compared to what the should give.
Actually, Japan usually tops the list in total amount of money given to such causes.

Good for them. I'm glad it's not America for some reason.

But in grand-total, probably America, but it will be peanuts compared to what the should give.

Peanuts compared to, oh... Nothing?

Can't be the US since the EU (like allways) pays most of the third world help. The US is the state that gives,as a separate state the most € (have to count in the world leading money now) to the 3th world and so on. But when we see the larger picture and count the € of the EU states together, then we come to a budget that surpases the US one by factor 3 . When it comes to those states apart and the budget that a government gives, compared to the annual budget of that state, then countries like France, Germany, Belgium arrive at 6 times the amount that a US citizen gives to the 3th world aso.

Like allways, when we look a bit further then the propaganda, it is not the US that is helping. In fact it is doing very poor regarding the triple amount of € that goes each year to the world and even more poort when we watch the budget pro capita that goes to the ones that needs it the most.

So you want to use a tragedy to promote your ideology. Yeah, I guess that makes your ideology better than anything else.

Look at who started the thread, and read the comments of the posters.

Now seriously reflect on who was attempting to use this tragedy.

I repeat : Shame.

i went US, cuz it has the most money to give. well...the president will THINK it does...actually we have like no money, we have like... -3 trillion dollars. but that doesn't stop the prez from cutting taxes during a war. speaking of a war, i would think that might decrease the amount we would give. but i assume we'll also send lots of personnel, with the search and rescue dogs and such.

Look at who started the thread, and read the comments of the posters.

Now seriously reflect on who was attempting to use this tragedy.

I repeat : Shame.

Yeah, you are right. The joke that Andaloucia is, is not taken seriously on NS since a long time. Just like you hear Goebels or Stalin say something. You are not the only one that sees him as a clown or freak. :fluffle:

I think a joint-venture by the UN and its member-nations will provide the most aid; as this is the type of "event" that the UN should thrive in actually acting in favor of.

Can't be the US since the EU (like allways) pays most of the third world help. The US is the state that gives,as a separate state the most € (have to count in the world leading money now) to the 3th world and so on. But when we see the larger picture and count the € of the EU states together, then we come to a budget that surpases the US one by factor 3 . When it comes to those states apart and the budget that a government gives, compared to the annual budget of that state, then countries like France, Germany, Belgium arrive at 6 times the amount that a US citizen gives to the 3th world aso.

Like allways, when we look a bit further then the propaganda, it is not the US that is helping. In fact it is doing very poor regarding the triple amount of € that goes each year to the world and even more poort when we watch the budget pro capita that goes to the ones that needs it the most.

I second this. A very polite and argumented post.

I think a joint-venture by the UN and its member-nations will provide the most aid; as this is the type of "event" that the UN should thrive in actually acting in favor of.

And why waste an opportunity to "put the boot in" on an old foe.

Its obviously a rare tragedy that someone cannot take advantage of.

How about (and I am addressing this to ALL readers) trying to do something
constructive instead of just attempting to "score points".

This sort of occurence should be beyond the realms of partisan politics, of any variety or creed.

i went US, cuz it has the most money to give. well...the president will THINK it does...actually we have like no money, we have like... -3 trillion dollars. but that doesn't stop the prez from cutting taxes during a war. speaking of a war, i would think that might decrease the amount we would give. but i assume we'll also send lots of personnel, with the search and rescue dogs and such.

Actually, the U.S has WELL over 10 TRILLION USD.

China has six trillion and i think japan has something like 2 or 3..

Yeah, you are right. The joke that Andaloucia is, is not taken seriously on NS since a long time. Just like you hear Goebels or Stalin say something. You are not the only one that sees him as a clown or freak. :fluffle:

You obviously misunderstand me.

My post/s were not directed against any individual, but against the sentiments expressed by several.

It would now appear, unfortunately, that you are attempting to use the situation to your advantage, over some previous petty feud with the original poster.

Your actions in doing so are just as shameful.

The proper reaction to a tragedy is not to see it as an attempt at point scoring.

How about every one here donateing what they can, be it blood, supplies, or cash?

Bump, in the hope of shaming those who attempted to use this tragedy for their own ends into doing something more constructive.

Bump for the same reasons.

The US will give a paltry amount, then spend more-maybe even up to twice as much-on Bush's inauguration. Man, can I see the future or what?

Can't be the US since the EU (like allways) pays most of the third world help. The US is the state that gives,as a separate state the most € (have to count in the world leading money now) to the 3th world and so on. But when we see the larger picture and count the € of the EU states together, then we come to a budget that surpases the US one by factor 3 . When it comes to those states apart and the budget that a government gives, compared to the annual budget of that state, then countries like France, Germany, Belgium arrive at 6 times the amount that a US citizen gives to the 3th world aso.

Like allways, when we look a bit further then the propaganda, it is not the US that is helping. In fact it is doing very poor regarding the triple amount of € that goes each year to the world and even more poort when we watch the budget pro capita that goes to the ones that needs it the most.

The EU sended the first plains (the in the US by rightwing ingnorants hated nation of France to get in details). Germany, Belgium, UK followed before the joint sending of help under the EU banner.

Hope the US helps a bit to now.

I dont think US will give more aid...

Why?

1. Worried about the War in Aghanistan and Iraq.
2. Hunting down Osama bin Laden and Terror Threats.
3. Foreign Currency is Dropping.
4. Taiwan and China are preparing for war. Though, US must provide Military Aid for them.
5. Trying to solve a problem for the Palestinians.
6. Helping Columbia defend their Oil Wells.
7. Defending Israel within the Middle East.
8. Worried that war breaks in the Korean Peninesula. (China aids N.Korea)

China will fund more.

Why?

1. Even though US Currency is dropping one step and another. They still have US Currency in their banks. Using it now will save them not holding cheap money.

2. China is in Asia and is Part of the Asian Alliance. China will help needy Asian countries.

3. China owns IBM Computers, which is now richer for them to fund more.

4. Even though China is about to wage war with Taiwan and help N. Korea, they are still able to do more stuff for others.

I had hoped, based on the title, that this thread would be about exhorting individuals to contribute to the various aid funds, that it would be similar to the one titled "Tsunami Relief Funds." Instead, I find a thread that's the equivalent of a dick-measuring contest. What else did I expect?

I don't know about the rest of my country, but I personally donated, as per my promise, earlier this evening based on this thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=385083

I had hoped, based on the title, that this thread would be about exhorting individuals to contribute to the various aid funds, that it would be similar to the one titled "Tsunami Relief Funds." Instead, I find a thread that's the equivalent of a dick-measuring contest. What else did I expect?

You are wrong.