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So what was before God then?

Wow, what a random topic title

Nothing. Or himself.

Y'know, I ask myself that a lot too. How did god get created? Was he just there? Is there a god? If not, then who created the universe? Some people say the universe was created by a burst of energy. But what created the energy? How did it get there? Where is 'There'? So many questions...

Y'know, I ask myself that a lot too. How did god get created? Was he just there? Is there a god? If not, then who created the universe? Some people say the universe was created by a burst of energy. But what created the energy? How did it get there? Where is 'There'? So many questions...
Questions that humans will never be able to answer.

Questions that humans will never be able to answer.
See now thats what everyone says but i'll bet you in a couple thoasands years time we'll know and we'll laugh at people that had that veiw point.

So what was before God then?

Brunch. I think he had a light vinegarette salad, with a peice of bread.

So what was before God then?
There was the great Formica Maxima, who did create all that exists today. She did create YHWH, and Allah, as well as all the pantheonic gods. She created all life. It is because of she that Hymenoptera is the greatest of all Orders, giving divine status to the Family Formicidae. Let all worship the overgod, she who has been here for all eternity!

See now thats what everyone says but i'll bet you in a couple thoasands years time we'll know and we'll laugh at people that had that veiw point.
If we knew I think we would have evolved enough to no longer be considered humans. Or simply knowing would make us transcend.

If we knew I think we would have evolved enough to no longer be considered humans. Or simply knowing would make us transcend.

Interesting. So do you believe that knowledge of the universe is the property that makes one entity greater than another?

There was the great Formica Maxima, who did create all that exists today. She did create YHWH, and Allah, as well as all the pantheonic gods. She created all life. It is because of she that Hymenoptera is the greatest of all Orders, giving divine status to the Family Formicidae. Let all worship the overgod, she who has been here for all eternity!
Where did she come from?

Interesting. So do you believe that knowledge of the universe is the property that makes one entity greater than another?
No, but the capacity to know it would.

i'm just feeling fluffley :fluffle: have you got a problem with that?

Nah... of course not. :fluffle:

No, but the capacity to know it would.

So you believe that power is the property that makes one entity greater than another?

So you believe that power is the property that makes one entity greater than another?
Knowledge does seem to lead to power, in some form or another. I would add that there would other things for the human mind to discover which would lead to its evolution.

Knowledge does seem to lead to power, in some form or another. I would add that there would other things for the human mind to discover which would lead to its evolution.

That's nice, but doesn't really answer my question.

Do you believe that power is the property that makes one entity greater than another? Yes or no?

Where did she come from?
Mmmmh... I'm gonna say a giant anthill.

That's nice, but doesn't really answer my question.

Do you believe that power is the property that makes one entity greater than another? Yes or no?
Oops. Sorry. I thought I said that.

My answer is yes. Power, in whatever form, makes one type of being superior to a different type of being. Humans are superior to dogs because we are capable of higher thinking (though not all of us can). Humans are also superior to dogs because of skills and traits that dogs lack. These make humans more powerful than other animals and thus greater.

homo sapiens

homo sapiens
Screw technical terms.

Mmmmh... I'm gonna say a giant anthill.
....ok, that sounds acceptable :D

Mmmmh... I'm gonna say a giant anthill.
Where did the anthill come from? :p

Much of our failure to understand the inception of the universe stems from our inability to grasp the concept of infinity in real, tangible practice. Nearly everything we've been exposed to on the global scale has been finite: sunrise, sunset; birth, death; et cetera.

One of the better ways to diagram the concept of infinity that I've seen is to consider a sphere. There is no one point of origin; likewise, there is no one point of conclusion. The only parameters present are the boundaries of the sphere itself. Of course, this doesn't solve the "What's beyond the universe?" dilemma :(

man shitl ike this pisses me off because i likely wont be around when these questions are answered. :(

chaos.for chaos is not a thing,chaos is.

The whole concept of time as we know it is propably just a mechanism our consciousness uses to control the constant flow stimulus to our brain and make it comprehensible to our rather limited perception.

Thus, time doesn't necessarily "exist" outside our own minds. And thus, asking what happened before time (or God or gods or Big Bang or the Great Turtle Mother or whatever's your bag) began is like asking what I wanted for lunch when I was an unfertilized egg cell in my mothers ovaries. Nice conversation opener, though.

Well, if you buy the idea that God is outside of time (which I do), then there is no such thing as before God. It's like the astrophysicists who say that there was nothing before the big bang because that's when time started.

Before God? I don't have a clue.

I wonder if God knows?

"The whole concept of time as we know it is propably just a mechanism our consciousness uses to control the constant flow stimulus to our brain and make it comprehensible to our rather limited perception."

Just like god, in fact.

Clearly, the answer is the Chicken and The Egg ...

Who came first ?

BOTH ... ( It was a draw )

Yus, is the TRUTH !

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before god there was nothing but MS-DOS

Clearly, the answer is the Chicken and The Egg ...

Who came first ?

BOTH ... ( It was a draw )

Yus, is the TRUTH !

No, the egg came first, because at whatever point inbetween (try and find one, it's a damn progession) what you will call a chicken and whatever it evolved from, the FIRST of that species was an EGG and so therefore the first chicken egg ever.. before the first chicken. ;)

and whoever was saying something about knowledge makes the human mind better than that of any other animal, or that knowledge evolves the mind.. suppose hypothetically someone from several thousand years in the future arrives in a time machine and tells you what there was before god or why god does or does not exist, and proves it to you, you'll then know it. what do you think will happen, your head will swell up and you'll turn into some superhuman? don't be stupid. plus you said something about evolution in the context of thousands of years. don't be stupid x2. significant evolutional change encompasses millions of years.

the maker of this thread is making the assumption god exists.

whoever else was saying something about they wished they lived further on in time, so we would know the answers.... we live at a peak in civilisation, an exciting time. the middle ages or whatever is when you don't want to live. you seem to assume that the future is going to be a utopia where all these questions are answered. that's a fairly big assumption..

I won't try and tackle a question that hides an assmption (that God exists).
The best explaination I'm aware of requires no origin. The Universe has always been here, and the *big bang* is only the beginning of the cosmos as we see it today. There may have been many of these bangs and will be many more on an infinite timeline.
The idea that everything must need an origin is a uniquely human misunderstanding stemming from our incapability to fathom the eternal.

Questions that humans will never be able to answer.
never? how do you know that?

I'd like to ask something instead: How is it that people who believe in a constant, non-created God have trouble believing that the Universe could also be constant and non-created?

Alternatively, people who believes in a spontaneously created god/big-bang theory.

man shitl ike this pisses me off because i likely wont be around when these questions are answered. :(


I dont think theyll ever be answered. Although when you die and there actually is a god you can ask him(yes its a HIM you Motherf#$kers!!) what was there before him....if you dare.

I dont think theyll ever be answered. Although when you die and there actually is a god you can ask him(yes its a HIM you Motherf#$kers!!) what was there before him....if you dare.
oh you know it is a him? wow right wing is the new prophet ... here I thought a supreme being would be above something as simple as human sexuality

So what was before God then?
This is a futile exercise in semantics, rather like asking if an irresistable force can move an immovable object. By definition, both cannot exist at the same time. The same is true of anything prexisting God ... by definition, God always has existed and always will thus nothing could possibly prexist God.

Not that anyone probably really cares about my opinion, but, based on my understanding of the Bible, I'd have to say that God always has been, didn't have a beginning, doesn't have an end. He is the only self-existant/uncreated thing in existance.

Clearly, the answer is the Chicken and The Egg ...

Who came first ?

BOTH ... ( It was a draw )

Yus, is the TRUTH !

<.<

>.>

No, actually eggs came before chickens. Reptiles lay eggs. Reptiles come before chickens on the evolutionary scale.