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A bigot is someone who fears/hates/believes to be stupid etc, someone who is diffrent to them. In that case are not Liberals bigoted? They dismiss anyone without a simmilar mindset to their own as a bigot and as being stupid/caveman live etc (in some more extreme cases). So is this not hypocracy on their part? Or is there something else to explain it.

And this is news how?

A bigot is someone who fears/hates/believes to be stupid etc, someone who is diffrent to them. In that case are not Liberals bigoted? They dismiss anyone without a simmilar mindset to their own as a bigot and as being stupid/caveman live etc (in some more extreme cases). So is this not hypocracy on their part? Or is there something else to explain it.
Erm..what?

Many liberals are bigoted,
Many Celtic or Rangers fans are bigoted,
therefore many Celtic or Rangers fans are liberals...d'oh I forgot how to use logic :D

An easily reciprocated argument.

Many liberals are bigoted,
Many Celtic or Rangers fans are bigoted,
therefore many Celtic or Rangers fans are liberals...d'oh I forgot how to use logic :D
Many liberals are bigoted,
many Conservatives are bigoted,
therefore many conservatives are liberal... we can all use falacies :)

A bigot is someone who fears/hates/believes to be stupid etc, someone who is diffrent to them. In that case are not Liberals bigoted? They dismiss anyone without a simmilar mindset to their own as a bigot and as being stupid/caveman live etc (in some more extreme cases). So is this not hypocracy on their part? Or is there something else to explain it.

Egomaniacs think *everyone* is inferior to them, but it doesn't make them bigots, either. If you think capital punishment is wrong, you are going to think people who support are wrong-headed, just as people who think capital-punishment is right think their opponents are wrong-headed.

I wouldn't consider either camp to be bigoted.

People are allowed to disagree with each other and think their own position is the best one without being slapped with a radioactive label.

I hate right-wing political correctness just as much as I hate left-wing political correctness, and this argument oozes in right-wing p.c.'ness Blech! :mad:

lib·er·al
adj.

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

n.
A person with liberal ideas or opinions.

big·ot
n.

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

----I don't see how these can be the same. Some 'liberals' may actually be bigots but by doing this mean they aren't liberal. I'm liberal I guess but I'm still tolerant of other peoples beliefs.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Whew! I had a good laugh reading this thread.

How does the arguement you set forth saying liberals are bigots apply only to liberals. Conservatives believe just as strongly in their stance on an issue as a liberal does, conservatives "put down" liberal ideas all the time. If you are going to make a broad generalization, at least think about the words coming out of your mouth (or in this case your fingers). Using your logic, anyone who believes in anything is a bigot.

The proper statement is not that "liberals are bigots", but rather that "liberals are fascists". After all, what other group besides your common drug store variety tyrant would have the audacity to tell the people they govern that they know what is better for them than they themselves do?

They both support government and capitalism. That's reason enough for me not to support them.

The proper statement is not that "liberals are bigots", but rather that "liberals are fascists". After all, what other group besides your common drug store variety tyrant would have the audacity to tell the people they govern that they know what is better for them than they themselves do?
George W. Bush or rather Republicans . Ask me another one.

Using your logic, anyone who believes in anything is a bigot.

Liberals claim that anyone who doesnt agree with them on immigration/aslym/homosexual marriage etc is a bigot. Yet they themselves are bigoted for doing this. They are insulting someone else's viewpoint, instead of being "Tolerant and understanding" as they claim they are

Liberals claim that anyone who doesnt agree with them on immigration/aslym/homosexual marriage etc is a bigot. Yet they themselves are bigoted for doing this. They are insulting someone else's viewpoint, instead of being "Tolerant and understanding" as they claim they are
To be tolerant is to allow others to have a differing view point.

Conservatives are allowed to have a differing viewpioint but we don't want it governing us. Its not about tolerants at that point but safety.

Understanding well its hard to understand the conservative mind or the Liberal one otherwise everyone would be in agreement easier.

Liberals claim that anyone who doesnt agree with them on immigration/aslym/homosexual marriage etc is a bigot. Yet they themselves are bigoted for doing this. They are insulting someone else's viewpoint, instead of being "Tolerant and understanding" as they claim they are

I have a few questions for you.

1. Do you thinkg that someone hating Nazi's (the group not individual people), a group founded in the beliefs of hating another group, is being bigoted?

If you answer "yes" to this question I may feel a little more inclined to agree with you. Note: I'm not comparing Nazi's to "conservatives."

2. Define a liberal for me without copying the entry from Dictionary.com.

I need to decide if I should feel insulted for being called a bigot.

3. Do you think that not being "tolerant and understanding" of someone's agenda of intolerance and misunderstanding makes you a bigot.

Answer me these questions three and I will have more of a response for you.

I cannot speak t the great Liberal/Conservative divide on this issue, but I have noticed that the US Democratic party is pretty bigoted.

I cannot speak t the great Liberal/Conservative divide on this issue, but I have noticed that the US Democratic party is pretty bigoted.
Any reason you believe this? Based on extreme members or everyday members?
Examples?

Any reason you believe this? Based on extreme members or everyday members?
Examples?In the past 20 years no pro-life individual has been allowed to speak at a national convention, and most local conventions. In 2000, they yanked a speaker from the Presidential Nominating convention less than a week before she was to deliver a speech for making pro-life comments. (conversely, about 1/3rd of the GOP's convention speakers are pro-choice.)

From personal experience I have found it almost impossible to get many "tollerant" democrats to realize that calling people "red necks" as an insult is intollerant. It is almost as if they believe it is appropriate to insult some groups of people, as long as they are the right groups.

A bigot is someone who fears/hates/believes to be stupid etc, someone who is diffrent to them. In that case are not Liberals bigoted? They dismiss anyone without a simmilar mindset to their own as a bigot and as being stupid/caveman live etc (in some more extreme cases). So is this not hypocracy on their part? Or is there something else to explain it.

:rolleyes:

When you can show me a liberal screaming "******!" then we will talk.

The proper statement is not that "liberals are bigots", but rather that "liberals are fascists". After all, what other group besides your common drug store variety tyrant would have the audacity to tell the people they govern that they know what is better for them than they themselves do?

You used the wrong word. What you describe aren't liberals.

Liberals claim that anyone who doesnt agree with them on immigration/aslym/homosexual marriage etc is a bigot. Yet they themselves are bigoted for doing this. They are insulting someone else's viewpoint, instead of being "Tolerant and understanding" as they claim they are

I think he's trying to say that "Liberals are bigotted against bigots."

I would agree with him there :)

Liberals claim that anyone who doesnt agree with them on immigration/aslym/homosexual marriage etc is a bigot. Yet they themselves are bigoted for doing this. They are insulting someone else's viewpoint, instead of being "Tolerant and understanding" as they claim they are

I think your view of it is a good bit departed from reality.

By your definition, anyone with a reasoned opinion would be a bigot, which is a fallacy. What you claim liberals claim is false, on top of that. So your conclusion itself is invalid, and I'm not a bigot for pointing that out.

Affirmative Action and PCness are why liberals are bigoted

Affirmative Action and PCness are why liberals are bigoted

Hey I thought you said you were a liberterian?

You are sounding like a conservative Republican now....

In the past 20 years no pro-life individual has been allowed to speak at a national convention, and most local conventions. In 2000, they yanked a speaker from the Presidential Nominating convention less than a week before she was to deliver a speech for making pro-life comments. (conversely, about 1/3rd of the GOP's convention speakers are pro-choice.)

From personal experience I have found it almost impossible to get many "tollerant" democrats to realize that calling people "red necks" as an insult is intollerant. It is almost as if they believe it is appropriate to insult some groups of people, as long as they are the right groups.

I guess it depends on your definition of "pro-life." Your definition suits your anti-Democratic POV but I see it as broader; the GOP has not offered any pro-life candidates, convention speakers, et al, either.

I've found it impossible to find Democrats who call people rednecks.

Hey I thought you said you were a liberterian?

You are sounding like a conservative Republican now....
I attack liberals and conservatives both if I'm really in a bad mood (sorry, usually I like them both, but I just feel really cynical now)

Let me see if I can sum up this argument, 'Saying a Racist is Bigoted is Being Bigoted?' I'm sorry thats plainly inane. Calling a Racist, Homophobic person etc, what they are is not an example of Bigotry, it's an example of calling a Spade a Spade. Yes Liberals are open minded, believing often in the words, 'I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the Death your right to say it.'

But note a Belief in this case in Freedom of speech would not limit a person to having to sit quietly by as you speak and never counter the argument. Liberals in short have certain principles these days they will stand behind equality being one of them fair treatment etc. They reserve the right to call a Spade a Spade, and doing so does not make them Bigoted.

Now as for the Democratic Party banning Pro-Lifers from speaking, as a political party it is able to set what policies it will stay within in an attempt to prevent a unified face, Conventions etc are not these days big debate shops they are moments of Rally for the Party faithful, what is wanted is speeches certain to gain the support of those in attendence, the actual order and words being decided long in advance. If you look at the Rebublican Party you will see a similar pattern, initself this is not neccersary wrong, the debate having taken place likely long ina dvance.

I think he's trying to say that "Liberals are bigotted against bigots."

I would agree with him there :)

Have you noticed that liberals, who are supposed to be open-minded, are closed-minded against being closed-minded? How closed-minded they are!!!

I attack liberals and conservatives both if I'm really in a bad mood (sorry, usually I like them both, but I just feel really cynical now)

Hmpf?

Why the mood?


After the holiday blues?

Yeah, many liberals are bigotted, but so are many (dare I say many more) conservatives. Is this not a waste of time in the general group of "whatever is bigotted/wrong because i have a bigotted argument agains them"?

Whatever... besides sometimes bigots are right, just not often... damn bigots... *goes*.

Pathetic. Another message of a Conservatives hate of liberals... when will you learn that your 2 party system is patheticly flawed? Politics is crappy and corrupt, and you need to learn this.

When you realise the truth, I will await you. Until then, keep your own bigoted views to yourself.

I think there are bigoted people in every layer of society. I think probably we all are, in one way or another.

Example: look at all the rollplaying going on here. I noticed some posts in which people write that player X doesn't have any rollplaying skills, therefore player X should be excluded from rollplaying on the forums. Other people read the posts too and exclude player X from their play.

In my opinion it's in our nature to be like that. We find a group in which we feel ourselves comfortable. If someone threatens that comfy feeling we feel our future may be on the line here. So we react, try to exclude that person from the group. In a way it's part of natural selection. 'But like I said, that's just my opinion. I agree to disagree with whoever doesn't share my opinion.

Liberals claim that anyone who doesnt agree with them on immigration/aslym/homosexual marriage etc is a bigot. Yet they themselves are bigoted for doing this. They are insulting someone else's viewpoint, instead of being "Tolerant and understanding" as they claim they are
I don't claim people who oppose gay marriage are bigots unless they specifically hate gays. Otherwise, it's just being unreasonable. Gay marriage and tolerance kinda do go hand-in-hand (sry couldn't resist).

Just to follow everyone else:
1. All criminals are humans
2. Dick Cheney is a human (supposedly)
3. Therefore, Dick Cheney is a criminal

Or, even MORE logically

1. Dealing with Iran is criminal
2. Dick Cheney dealt with Iran
3. Therefore, Dick Cheney is a criminal

People often seem to confuse their right to hold an opinion with their (nonexistent) right to have it taken seriously. If you want to spout some rhetoric about the rising tide of gay unicorns flooding over your borders then yeah, go ahead and enjoy yourself. But don't be surprised when people capable of reasoned thought laugh in your face.

Oh, this whole bloody thing is just painfully simple. Present an opinion which you've arrived at by logical analysis and factual consideration and I'll accept its validity, whether I agree with it or not. Present an opinion founded upon baseless prejudice and knee-jerk conjecture and, yes, I'll wholeheartedly dismiss it as the vacuous garbage it undoubtedly is.

To summarize: the Secret Liberal Agenda in no way demands that I pander to the cherished, ill-conceived diarrhoea spewed by slack-jawed bigots.

Hey I thought you said you were a liberterian?

You are sounding like a conservative Republican now....
Noo, actual libertarians find AA utterly bigoted and stupid, and the same goes for the aura of PCness.

The end all, be all statement:

Most people in the world are bigots.

i like candy

One of the core ideas of Liberalism is this:

All views are to be tolerated EXCEPT views which are intolerant themselves. Thus, Liberals being intolerant about intolerant views is not at all being bigoted.

The end all, be all statement:

Most people in the world are bigots.

Wow, reason. I forgot what that looked like on this forum.

I have a few questions for you.

1. Do you thinkg that someone hating Nazi's (the group not individual people), a group founded in the beliefs of hating another group, is being bigoted?


Hating is being bigoted. Disagreing is not. You can disagree till the cows come home, but hating is diffrent.


2. Define a liberal for me without copying the entry from Dictionary.com.


A liberal is someone who believes and practices the mouthpiece model of politics rather than the delegate model. IE they believe that they were elected because the public believed that they would speek for them and so they have to do their best to represent everyone and not just their own beliefs. Where as the delegate model believes that they were voted because the public agrees with there beliefs and principals and as such they must carry out those beleifs and principals. At least thats part of it. Another part is that Liberals beleive in limiting government restriction and that people are sensable enough to make decisions for themselves, where as conservatism is the oppisite.


3. Do you think that not being "tolerant and understanding" of someone's agenda of intolerance and misunderstanding makes you a bigot.


I think if you are unable to tollerate someone elses views then yes you are a bigot. Tolerate means to put up with, and if you cant put up with someone having those views and you have a desprate desire to force yours on them then yes, you are bigoted

One of the core ideas of Liberalism is this:

All views are to be tolerated EXCEPT views which are intolerant themselves. Thus, Liberals being intolerant about intolerant views is not at all being bigoted.

Care to explain why liberal ideology is exempt from shame and flaw? Nothing is perfect

Care to explain why liberal ideology is exempt from shame and flaw? Nothing is perfect

Admit conservatives are no better first. Until you can admit you're not better than liberals, then no one here will admit that liberals can be wrong.

It's funny, but the idea of Liberalism and Conservatism have being so corrupted over the years. Classical Liberalism is far far more right wing than Conservatism - one of Classical Conservatisms core values is that the rich have an obligation to help the poor and needy. A classical Liberal would say taxing the excessively rich to help the poor is immoral.

Care to explain why liberal ideology is exempt from shame and flaw? Nothing is perfect
you hate candy, bigot

It's funny, but the idea of Liberalism and Conservatism have being so corrupted over the years. Classical Liberalism is far far more right wing than Conservatism - one of Classical Conservatisms core values is that the rich have an obligation to help the poor and needy. A classical Liberal would say taxing the excessively rich to help the poor is immoral.
Not mutually exclusive ideals. The classical liberal would say that while helping the needy is a noble goal, a person who made their money honestly is under no legal obligation to help them.

Admit conservatives are no better first. Until you can admit you're not better than liberals, then no one here will admit that liberals can be wrong.

Conservatives are no better.

Everyone is at least a little bit bigoted. (bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.) It's human nature. By that definition, yes, liberals are bigoted. But they're not supposed to be. (liberal: Adjective 1. a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States. )

Conservatives are no better.

The title of this thread is deliberate flamebait. You intended it to provoke liberals into flaming you. Why else would you put (many) in parentheses?

The title of this thread is deliberate flamebait. You intended it to provoke liberals into flaming you. Why else would you put (many) in parentheses?

No, I am pointing out that the Liberal ideology is no better than the conservative one, as many liberals fail to notice. Many have this idea that Conservatives are bigots on the grounds that they hold conservative opinions about things, when acutally all they are doing is beleving in an ideology.

The title of this thread is deliberate flamebait. You intended it to provoke liberals into flaming you. Why else would you put (many) in parentheses?

Cuz (many) makes a lovely butt-cover. ;)

No, I am pointing out that the Liberal ideology is no better than the conservative one, as many liberals fail to notice. Many have this idea that Conservatives are bigots on the grounds that they hold conservative opinions about things, when acutally all they are doing is beleving in an ideology.

Then why didn't you say that in your original post, instead of just accusing liberals and liberals only of being bigots?

Then why didn't you say that in your original post, instead of just accusing liberals and liberals only of being bigots?

Because I wanted to make it clear that by calling conservatives bigots, they are bigots themselves. Surely that makes it clear that they are both equal?

Because I wanted to make it clear that by calling conservatives bigots, they are bigots themselves. Surely that makes it clear that they are both equal?

No, you didn't say that. You said liberals are bigots for calling other people bigots. That in no way, shape, or form admits that conservatives are no better.

No, you didn't say that. You said liberals are bigots for calling other people bigots. That in no way, shape, or form admits that conservatives are no better.

I am sorry then. I will make a new post. The point still stands however, by calling someone else a bigot on the grounds of their beliefs, you yourself are a bigot towards said beliefs

I’m a social liberal, and I do not consider myself to be bigot. I respect people who I disagree with, even though sometimes it is hard… I’ve had many conversations with people who class themselves as Nazis and white supremacists. Though I really hate what they are saying, I still find it important to maintain politeness and respect.

I do agree, many liberals (and I use that term ‘liberal’ as the Americans do – as elsewhere, a liberal is someone who is tolerant) are bigot. But then so are a lot of conservatives. Most people who hold strong beliefs and convictions, regardless of what they are, are closed to any other possibilities and compromise.

I guess it depends on your definition of "pro-life." Your definition suits your anti-Democratic POV but I see it as broader; the GOP has not offered any pro-life candidates, convention speakers, et al, either.

I've found it impossible to find Democrats who call people rednecks. Huh? Where have you been? There's this fellow in California, a republican who happens to be the govenor who is pro-choice. There's this rather prominent fellow, Arlen Specter, perhaps you've heard of him, who gives a fair number of speeches for Republicans (like the govenor of CA) who is strongly pro-choice. A good 1/3rd of the speakers at most conventions are pro-choice, including the 2004 Presidential nominating convention.

As for Democrats and rednecks, come to NE sometime and talk to the folks here. Heck, you can hear them on talk radio even. For that matter, check these boards here for usages of the phrase "red neck" and ask the users their political affiliation, there was a thread today on red necks.

Not mutually exclusive ideals. The classical liberal would say that while helping the needy is a noble goal, a person who made their money honestly is under legal obligation to help them.please insert no between "under" and "legal".

Huh? Where have you been? There's this fellow in California, a republican who happens to be the govenor who is pro-choice. There's this rather prominent fellow, Arlen Specter, perhaps you've heard of him, who gives a fair number of speeches for Republicans (like the govenor of CA) who is strongly pro-choice. A good 1/3rd of the speakers at most conventions are pro-choice, including the 2004 Presidential nominating convention.

As for Democrats and rednecks, come to NE sometime and talk to the folks here. Heck, you can hear them on talk radio even. For that matter, check these boards here for usages of the phrase "red neck" and ask the users their political affiliation, there was a thread today on red necks.

I see you don't read too well, either.

I hear the term "redneck" used most often by conservatives complaining about liberals' use of the word.

I see you don't read too well, either.

I hear the term "redneck" used most often by conservatives complaining about liberals' use of the word.If you want pro-life canidates/speaker from the GOP, look at President George W Bush. I assumed you miswrote, very few people complain about finding GOP pro-life supporters. If I wanted to use an expansive defintion of pro-choice or pro-life I would use McCain as an example, he fits under either category if you expand it enough, but under the defintions most of us use Arnie is pro-choice and Bush II is pro-life. Name one Pro-lifer who spoke at the 2004 DNC presidential nominating convention. Name one Pro-lifer who spoke at the 2000 DNC presidential nominating convention. The Democratic party may have some pro-life people among its members, but it doesn't allow them to speak.

As for usage of "red necks", I cannot help it if you have different experiences than I do. You for some reason cannot find a democrat who uses the term, while I have no difficulty. I live in the NE of the US and have heard it often. It may very well be a regional thing, but I doubt it.

If you want pro-life canidates/speaker from the GOP, look at President George W Bush. I assumed you miswrote, very few people complain about finding GOP pro-life supporters. If I wanted to use an expansive defintion of pro-choice or pro-life I would use McCain as an example, he fits under either category if you expand it enough, but under the defintions most of us use Arnie is pro-choice and Bush II is pro-life. Name one Pro-lifer who spoke at the 2004 DNC presidential nominating convention. Name one Pro-lifer who spoke at the 2000 DNC presidential nominating convention. The Democratic party may have some pro-life people among its members, but it doesn't allow them to speak.

I have never found a pro-life republican. Plenty of anti-choice ones. No pro-life.

A bigot is someone who fears/hates/believes to be stupid etc, someone who is diffrent to them. In that case are not Liberals bigoted? They dismiss anyone without a simmilar mindset to their own as a bigot and as being stupid/caveman live etc (in some more extreme cases). So is this not hypocracy on their part? Or is there something else to explain it.
Actually, "bigoted" might be a tad strong. I see most of those who style themselves as "liberal" being more arrogant and egotistical than anything else. They know sooo much better than we how our lives should be run, how we should behave, and what we should believe. Sigh. It really does get rather tiresome.

If you want pro-life canidates/speaker from the GOP, look at President George W Bush. I assumed you miswrote, very few people complain about finding GOP pro-life supporters. If I wanted to use an expansive defintion of pro-choice or pro-life I would use McCain as an example, he fits under either category if you expand it enough, but under the defintions most of us use Arnie is pro-choice and Bush II is pro-life. Name one Pro-lifer who spoke at the 2004 DNC presidential nominating convention. Name one Pro-lifer who spoke at the 2000 DNC presidential nominating convention. The Democratic party may have some pro-life people among its members, but it doesn't allow them to speak.

As for usage of "red necks", I cannot help it if you have different experiences than I do. You for some reason cannot find a democrat who uses the term, while I have no difficulty. I live in the NE of the US and have heard it often. It may very well be a regional thing, but I doubt it.

President Bush is anti-abortion but not pro-life. The GOP is largely the same.

I have not been to Nebraska, so I have no experience with the liberals you talk about, but they seem to not be representative of liberals in general.

Actually, "bigoted" might be a tad strong. I see most of those who style themselves as "liberal" being more arrogant and egotistical than anything else. They know sooo much better than we how our lives should be run, how we should behave, and what we should believe. Sigh. It really does get rather tiresome.

In the US we have that problem currently with many conservative "Christian" groups. The recent election seems to have juiced up their busybody quotient.

Many people who don't know anything about liberals, though, call them "arrogant," "egotistical," etc., but mostly out of fantasy.

A bigot is someone who fears/hates/believes to be stupid etc, someone who is diffrent to them. In that case are not Liberals bigoted? They dismiss anyone without a simmilar mindset to their own as a bigot and as being stupid/caveman live etc (in some more extreme cases). So is this not hypocracy on their part? Or is there something else to explain it.
>_> Pot calling kettle black, anyone?

The proper statement is not that "liberals are bigots", but rather that "liberals are fascists". After all, what other group besides your common drug store variety tyrant would have the audacity to tell the people they govern that they know what is better for them than they themselves do?

Two groups of people spring immediately to mind: Democrats, and Republicans.

Actually, "bigoted" might be a tad strong. I see most of those who style themselves as "liberal" being more arrogant and egotistical than anything else. They know sooo much better than we how our lives should be run, how we should behave, and what we should believe. Sigh. It really does get rather tiresome.
Perspective's a funny thing, isn't it? You could have replaced 'liberal' with 'conservative' and it would have been perfectly valid.

Care to explain why liberal ideology is exempt from shame and flaw? Nothing is perfect

Why do you say that it is?

Because I wanted to make it clear that by calling conservatives bigots, they are bigots themselves. Surely that makes it clear that they are both equal?

No.

Calling a non-bigot a bigot is stupid, while calling a bigot a bigot does not make one a bigot.

Many liberals are bigoted,
Many Celtic or Rangers fans are bigoted,
therefore many Celtic or Rangers fans are liberals...d'oh I forgot how to use logic :D

How 'bout all bigots are liberal? Then, it might wash.

My favorite is that all liberals are irrational, so you must be liberal.

A bigot is someone who fears/hates/believes to be stupid etc, someone who is diffrent to them. In that case are not Liberals bigoted? They dismiss anyone without a simmilar mindset to their own as a bigot and as being stupid/caveman live etc (in some more extreme cases). So is this not hypocracy on their part? Or is there something else to explain it.
liberals are almost as likely to be bigoted as conservatives, in my experience, just as conservatives are just as likely to be bereft of the very moral values they claim liberals are so grossly lacking. both sides throw insults at each other which sit just as well upon their own heads.

however, one thing that annoys me is when bigots cry foul when they are named bigots. a bigot is one who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ, and this label often applies very neatly to certain conservatives and conservative groups...to claim that a liberal is a bigot for calling such conservatives "bigots" is simply incorrect, because all the liberal has done is to name them as they deserve. it is not bigotted to be able to recognize bigotry or to be brave enough to say its name aloud, after all.

Regardless of someone's beliefs, and regardless of whether or not I agree with them, I don't have a problem with someone having their own belief.

What bothers me on these threads is that if someone disagrees with something you've said, they do the following:

1. call you stupid, etc., insert denigrating label here;
2. assign a host of other opinions to you, based on the idea that you subscribe to a <right/left/liberal/conservative/religious/atheist> idea, even if you don't believe those other ideas and weren't talking about them.
3. then blame you for all problems that exist in the world
4. call you stupid some more,
5. call you troll
6. continue to insist that you hold certain beliefs that you don't

You'll also read in other posts by the same person that it's bad to label people, or denigrate them on the basis of their beliefs, (therefore, it's Bad to Call people "fags") but they'll have no trouble calling someone a redneck.

Basically, if you feel compelled to call someone names because you disagree with them, you're a bigot. Otherwise, we just have a difference in opinion.

Actually, "bigoted" might be a tad strong. I see most of those who style themselves as "liberal" being more arrogant and egotistical than anything else. They know sooo much better than we how our lives should be run, how we should behave, and what we should believe. Sigh. It really does get rather tiresome.
So liberals want to control your life, but Republicans don't? Banning gay marriage and abortion, anyone? Some people actually regard these things as intervention in their personal lives.

Leftists want to control (or at least regulate) your BUSINESS. Republicans want to control your LIFE.

Don't be such a hypocrite.

It's funny, but the idea of Liberalism and Conservatism have being so corrupted over the years. Classical Liberalism is far far more right wing than Conservatism - one of Classical Conservatisms core values is that the rich have an obligation to help the poor and needy. A classical Liberal would say taxing the excessively rich to help the poor is immoral.

This is true. It is amazing that both sides have essentially co-opted the others issues in an attempt to maintain power.

When was the last time a "liberal" in the US held this view, "2: a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets", voted against anti-trust laws. Talk about favoring big business, the libs would get crucified for abandoning their base voters.

Neither side can claim that it is not both bigotted and prejudiced. Both routinely hold the other in contempt.

Some have said that they would be willing to accept any "logical", "factual" arguments, but, when the facts are in dispute and logic is based on assumptions that may or may not be true, they continue to insult others because they disagree.

If I put forth the following statement, based on sound logic, pro-choice folks will still scorn me in spite of claiming to be tolerant and liberal: "From a scientific/biological perspective, life begins at conception. To willfully and premeditatedly take a human life is murder, per statute. Therefore the willful taking of a human life in the form of abortion is murder."

The above is logical. However, the Supreme Court ruled/interpreted the law in such a way to suggest that there are sufficient mitigating circumstances to call it something else. That doesn't make my statements less factual or logical. It just means that the Supreme Court interprets the law in a different way than I do.

On this particular subject I am "conservative" even though the traditional perspective on abortion that has been practiced since Roe V. Wade would actually be the norm/traditional way of looking at things for my lifetime. Of course, since I'm for changing this you could, by definition, call me a liberal.

When it comes to other issues I am a political liberal, such as seperation of church and state.

The first point is, the parties in the US are so garbled at this point that trying to use the dictionary definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" is illogical and not particularly useful. The second point is that neither side is tolerant of the other, willing to consider ideas that they are currently in disagreement with, and are so emotionally attached to their ideas, however logical they believe them to be, that they are prejudiced and discriminatory toward each other. Neither side can honestly claim to be tolerant. A few individuals may be able to claim tolerance, but they are not in the majority.

The end all, be all statement:

Most people in the world are bigots.
I point to my previous post.

A bigot is someone who fears/hates/believes to be stupid etc, someone who is diffrent to them. In that case are not Liberals bigoted? They dismiss anyone without a simmilar mindset to their own as a bigot and as being stupid/caveman live etc (in some more extreme cases). So is this not hypocracy on their part? Or is there something else to explain it.


Why get all pissy with liberals behaving like conservatives?

I point to my previous post.

And those that aren't are probably so wishy washy on everything under the sun, no one can tell what they believe in.

And those that aren't are probably so wishy washy on everything under the sun, no one can tell what they believe in.

They believe in carrots.

George W. Bush or rather Republicans . Ask me another one.

O God! Another of those whiny Democrats that claims the election was stolen... Bartender! Get me a double!

O God! Another of those whiny Democrats that claims the election was stolen... Bartender! Get me a double!
No wonder you can't see reality; you're too drunk.