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ooooo.... squirrel!

*runs after squirrel*

ooooo.... squirrel!

*runs after squirrel*

Dang.....them rodents evolved apposable thumbs already?

Who ever voted What's a Scientologist - look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology), here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology), and here (http://www.scientology.org/) (neutral, anti, and pro views).

Also I wonder about the squirrels - are you all really Squirrels (http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/la90/la90-6e.html)?

Yeah, I dropped in to one of their churches, out of curiosity.

I find them vague and evasive, but keen to sign me up for expensive '"courses".

Throw in the fact that it was formed by a science-fiction writer and is not recognised as a religion (but as a cult) in many nations.

But, I'm a cynical agnostic anyway.

Although, if I had to become religious, they wouldn't be in the race.

I'm no scientologist...

I'm a Scienbtologist!
:p

:D Yep.

Dang keyboard. Why'd somebody have to go and put all the keys right next to each other? :mad: ;)

What does a scientologist believe?

Yeah, I dropped in to one of their churches, out of curiosity.

I find them vague and evasive, but keen to sign me up for expensive '"courses".

Throw in the fact that it was formed by a science-fiction writer and is not recognised as a religion (but as a cult) in many nations.

But, I'm a cynical agnostic anyway.

Although, if I had to become religious, they wouldn't be in the race.

That's the kind of stuff that got me labled a "PTS" by a former friend who joined up. (And would probably get me labled an SP by now.)

Also I wonder about the squirrels - are you all really Squirrels (http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/la90/la90-6e.html)?

Dude ... you put Squirrels on the poll ... SQUIRRELS! Big fluffy tail, cute little hands ... perfection acheived.

No matter what's at stake, no matter what the form, no matter what the forum, no matter who else is on the ballot ... if Squirrel is there, I will always vote for it.

All Hail Squirrel!

What does a scientologist believe?
See #4.

Dude ... you put Squirrels on the poll ... SQUIRRELS! Big fluffy tail, cute little hands ... perfection acheived.

No matter what's at stake, no matter what the form, no matter what the forum, no matter who else is on the ballot ... if Squirrel is there, I will always vote for it.

All Hail Squirrel!

Check the link I gave. Squirrels is "used to describe non-church members who offer (Hubbards) teachings, sometimes at cut-rate prices. Most are ex-Scientologists who say they believe in Hubbard's gospel but left the church because its hierarchy was too oppressive." That's why I asked if those who were voting for it really were squirrels.

what amazes me the most about Scientology? Its the people gullible enough to buy all that BS

I live pretty close to the Scientology world headquarters (Clearwater, FL).
They're everywhere... walking around like zombies (or squirrels) in their little blue uniforms. Very creepy. What's more sad is the large amount of scandals we hear al the time living so close to them.
Try and walk into one of their "churches" and you'll think you stepped into the pentagon... you won't get far.
They own almost every building, hotel and bus in downtown Cleawater.
I wish Xanu would just come in his spaceship and pick them up already instead of fucking up their lives! Oh crap, did you hear that?
:eek:

Scientology: The very first religion founded entirely for profit.

But seriously, on campus the scientologists came and put up a little tent and started to babble on at random passers-by. When they attempted to harangue me I blatantly told them my first statement and went on my merry way.

Scientology (like all other alien cults) is the only 'religion' I can't stand. I can take someone believing in practically anything else. As such, I'm just a little anti-scientology.

Certainly heard some nasty things about them, particularly what they have done to their more vocal critics, for example obtaining addresses, posting them on the internet and urging members to vandalise the properties and cause trouble for the residents.

So i've heard, and can't provide proof other than rumour. I haven't had any personal experiences and apart from that, I won't form an opinion on them.

Check the link I gave. Squirrels is "used to describe non-church members who offer (Hubbards) teachings, sometimes at cut-rate prices. Most are ex-Scientologists who say they believe in Hubbard's gospel but left the church because its hierarchy was too oppressive." That's why I asked if those who were voting for it really were squirrels.


dude...I think it was a joke.......*poke* ??

Honestly, I don't like Scientology as a religion, or the things that it's done, or it's teachings, or the principals it's founded on etc., but I'm not against it. Let people do what they want. Even if what they want is really, really stupid.

Do not never trust to any of the religions. They eat your brains...

Scientology: The very first religion founded entirely for profit.

But seriously, on campus the scientologists came and put up a little tent and started to babble on at random passers-by. When they attempted to harangue me I blatantly told them my first statement and went on my merry way.

Scientology (like all other alien cults) is the only 'religion' I can't stand. I can take someone believing in practically anything else. As such, I'm just a little anti-scientology.

come on l.ron rules, he did what every nerdy 12 year old dreams of. he created his own religon, pulled the whole faith out of his butt, and got people to both believe it and give him lots of money. woohooo for the failed scifi writer turned cult leader millionare.

Certainly heard some nasty things about them, particularly what they have done to their more vocal critics, for example obtaining addresses, posting them on the internet and urging members to vandalise the properties and cause trouble for the residents.

So i've heard, and can't provide proof other than rumour. I haven't had any personal experiences and apart from that, I won't form an opinion on them.

heard the forced google to filter out the anti sites that come up when you type scientology as a keyword.

heard the forced google to filter out the anti sites that come up when you type scientology as a keyword.

Operation Clambake is the second link to come up and they are anti (the first link is the official church site which can be expected).

Operation Clambake is the second link to come up and they are anti (the first link is the official church site which can be expected).
will you stop destroying my lovely paranoid fantasies with the cold water of actual provable facts.

heard the forced google to filter out the anti sites that come up when you type scientology as a keyword.

Long fight over it: http://www.microcontentnews.com/articles/googleround3.htm

I think only one person has said they are a Scientologist this whole time

I have had first hand experience of Scientology, it was scary stuff and eventually led to me and my brother literally fighting our way out of a building in Edinburgh.
I suppose the only satisfaction I got out of the experience was kicking one of them in the balls and making him puke and the broken nose my brother gave another one :)

Aren't they trying to take over a town in Florida?

Aren't they trying to take over a town in Florida?

Which one? I have family there who must be protected!

That's the kind of stuff that got me labled a "PTS" by a former friend who joined up. (And would probably get me labled an SP by now.)
What is a PTS or an SP?

can some one explain the basics of this thing.. is it the one with tom cruse??

Aren't they trying to take over a town in Florida?

Yes. Clearwater. (And they've pretty much taken it over.)

can some one explain the basics of this thing.. is it the one with tom cruse??

Yes (see the previously posted links - post #4) and yes, along with many opther trophy celebs they like to trot out.

I have had first hand experience of Scientology, it was scary stuff and eventually led to me and my brother literally fighting our way out of a building in Edinburgh.
I suppose the only satisfaction I got out of the experience was kicking one of them in the balls and making him puke and the broken nose my brother gave another one

Not at all surprised.

I think only one person has said they are a Scientologist this whole time

Two claiming it now

Certainly heard some nasty things about them, particularly what they have done to their more vocal critics, for example obtaining addresses, posting them on the internet and urging members to vandalise the properties and cause trouble for the residents.

So i've heard, and can't provide proof other than rumour. I haven't had any personal experiences and apart from that, I won't form an opinion on them.

That's (supposedly) known as "dead agenting" or "declaring" (see the Operation Clambake FAQ for details).

There are also a number of deaths that have been attributed to Scientology. See: http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

What is a PTS or an SP?

Potential Trouble Source and Supressive Person, respectively.
Essentially anti-scientology people, to varying degrees.

According to Operation Clambake's ARS Acronym/Terminology FAQ (http://www.xenu.net/archive/dictionary/):
PTS, Potential Trouble Source. Someone who is in contact with an SP, a Suppressive or anti-Scientology person, and therefore may cause trouble for the cult. "Mary is a PTS Type III." Adjective; "She is PTS to that Wholetrack SP on her lines." See also individual types of PTS - 1 to 3, and A to J, SP, Disconnection.

PTS/SP Course, a training pack that deals with how to handle and disconnect from SPs (Suppressive Persons; people who disagree with Scientology) that are enturbulating (disturbing) you, usually in one's immediate family.

PTS Type One, a person who has an SP in contact with them, trying to help them get out of the cult.

PTS Type Two, a person who has an SP in their past who they can't name. A catch-all for people who don't improve using the unworkable quack therapy of Scientology.

PTS Type Three, a person suffering a psychotic breakdown due to connection with an anti-Scientologist or psychiatrist, supposedly. Often this label is applied to people who flip under the incredible strain of Scientology's paranoid bullshit. PTS Type Three's are then placed on the Introspection Rundown, where they are locked up to hide them from authorities, who don't like to see people driven round the bend by the cult, and may make waves.

PTS Type A, people intimately connected with SPs through family or marital ties who are likely to have help getting out of the cult or be exposed to the other side of the question.

PTS Type B, criminals.

PTS Type C, people who make legal threats against the cult, or who publicly attack Scientology.

PTS Type D, people who believe that Scientology is responsible for what it did to them, who won't buy the line that they are completely responsible for all the destructive things the cult does and won't accept that the victim is solely to blame for any mishaps.

PTS Type E, people who are forced into being audited by others. To be effective, the impetus must seem to come from within, then they only have themselves to blame.

PTS Type F, people who aren't certain that Scientology's quack therapy works, and want to test it.

PTS Type G, rich or influential people who want free quack auditing "therapy" based on their status.

PTS Type H, open minded people who aren't certain and 100% dedicated to Scientology, as the cult demands.

PTS Type I, people who do not believe that they can get better using the cult's quack therapy, thus the placebo effect will be weakened.

PTS Type J, people who are likely to have a critical bent regarding Scientology, who may not swallow the BS in one big gulp - judges, boards, newspaper reporters, magazine writers, etc.

SP, Suppressive Person, an evil person; someone who criticizes Scientology in any way. (the two are one and the same in the cult) SPs are the cult's _1984_ Goldsteins, and give definition to the group and a common enemy. Supposedly, some large fraction of the total population is composed of these "anti-social" characters, variously cited as 2% or 20%. Hubbard listed 12 traits of the SP, such as talking in generalities, criticism, and so forth. SPs are formally "declared" with a goldenrod issue, and lists are kept of these dangerous people. Ars has adopted its own SP levels as a badge of honour; in Scientology, there are no levels of SP. SPs create PTSes, people who are influenced by them. See MU, PTS, Disconnection.

According to the official Glossary for Scientology and Dianetics (http://www.scientology.org/gloss.htm):
potential trouble source: someone who is connected with a suppressive person who is invalidating him, his beingness, his processing, his life; someone connected to a person or a group opposed to Scientology. This connection results in illness and roller coaster (gets better, then gets worse). Processing would work with such a person for a moment, then wouldn’t work. One can’t audit this person up faster than the environment knocks him down. Because the case doesn’t get well, he is a potential trouble source to Scientology organizations, to others and to himself. See also suppressive person or group.
suppressive acts: actions or omissions undertaken knowingly to suppress, reduce or impede Scientology or Scientologists. (Such actions are high crimes and result in dismissal from Scientology and its organizations.)

suppressive person or group: a person or group of persons who actively seek to suppress or damage Scientology or a Scientologist by suppressive acts. See also potential trouble source; suppressive acts.

Dude ... you put Squirrels on the poll ... SQUIRRELS! Big fluffy tail, cute little hands ... perfection acheived.

No matter what's at stake, no matter what the form, no matter what the forum, no matter who else is on the ballot ... if Squirrel is there, I will always vote for it.

All Hail Squirrel!
Would the Process Church count has squirrels?

Im a panthiest thelemite, and agnostic. Scientology has some philosophical points that are ok, but just gets mostly dogmatic and wierd. And its very literal.
Crowley, if his writing werent all symbolic art filled poetry to be desciphered, and taken literally, would be a scary guy too, but these people are 100% literal.

Would the Process Church count has squirrels?

Hadn't heard of them before.
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Process.html
I think so. They are on the List of Suppressive Persons and Groups (http://www.xenu.net/archive/enemy_names/enemy_list.html) (AKA the "enemies list").

Also I wonder about the squirrels - are you all really Squirrels (http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/la90/la90-6e.html)?
Does anyone else see the irony in a diagnosed shizophrenic and depressive calling other ppl 'nutty'?

I was disturbed and surprised at what i would consider a low number of squirrels on a forum.

I was disturbed and surprised at what i would consider a low number of squirrels on a forum.

Considering that the term "squirrel" here has a different meaning from usual (see post #4) it isn't surprising.

http://www.xenu.net/

Not a scientologist, and possibly, if i've got the definition right, a very very Suppressive Person.

Dianetics fnord is the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard in my entire life, using something we made in school as a rudimentary, hardly-functioning lie detector, and passing it off as the route to spiritual enlightenment. Scientology fnord makes me want to hurl.

However, I would be less likely to wet myself laughing if approached by a scientologist fnord than I would if approached by one of those gormless, ignorant "wickan" kids fnord or whatever bastardization of good english they used to discribe themselves in order to appear "Mystikal". fnord. I have no qualm with nature worship, or ritual, or any of that. a lot of wiccans and druids and the like I have encountered have been awesome people with great ideas.

But if I ever encountered anyone buying a spell kid fnord I would punch them in an intimate place.

3 n00ks and a pocket I.G.N.O.R.E cannon with calculator function to anyone who guesses what religion I am this week :)

Not a scientologist, and possibly, if i've got the definition right, a very very Suppressive Person.

At the very least a PTS Type J. :::high 5:::

Dianetics fnord is the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard in my entire life, using something we made in school as a rudimentary, hardly-functioning lie detector, and passing it off as the route to spiritual enlightenment. Scientology fnord makes me want to hurl.

However, I would be less likely to wet myself laughing if approached by a scientologist fnord than I would if approached by one of those gormless, ignorant "wickan" kids fnord or whatever bastardization of good english they used to discribe themselves in order to appear "Mystikal". fnord. I have no qualm with nature worship, or ritual, or any of that. a lot of wiccans and druids and the like I have encountered have been awesome people with great ideas.

But if I ever encountered anyone buying a spell kid fnord I would punch them in an intimate place.

:)

3 n00ks and a pocket I.G.N.O.R.E cannon with calculator function to anyone who guesses what religion I am this week :)

:D All hail Malaclypse the Younger! :D

http://www.xenu.net/

Nice Zen answer. :) (You can't go too wrong with a website named after the Co$'s lame-o answer to Satan.)

At the very least a PTS Type J. :::high 5:::



:)



:D All hail Malaclypse the Younger! :D

Congragulations ^_^ however, you get nothing. because i'm a pope, infalliable, and said so.

Okay, maybe you get a hot dog bun. eeeh i'm going to go over there and not spam anymore. :lurk:

Hmm, y'know, after reading what I have here, I've been converted to the "anti" side.

Ah the religion created by a really bad science fiction writer, who could ask for anything more.

It all goes to show you that nearly anyone can start a religion/cult. Dianetics is basically a rip off of PsychoCybernetics a self help book written in 1960 by a Dr. Maxwell Maltz.

http://www.make-your-goals-happen.com/psychocybernetics.html

The whole goal of both Dianetics and PsychoCybernetics is to replace a negative self image with a positive one, what the Scientologists call becoming "Clear". The advantage of PsychoCybernetics is that you won't have to put a 2nd mortgage on the house and work a 2nd job to do it. You can have all the secrets of Scientology for the price of a used paperback.

Of course some have complained that PsychoCybernetics is really a rewording of the Dale Carnegie courses. Another series of books and courses about building a positive self image, and of course you'll become a really good salesman. Fuller Brushes anyone?

http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/carnegie.html

i wanna become a suppressive person, does it take much work. i rerally don't give a crap about sciencefictology, but if i can get on an enemies list without much work...


is it true l.ron thought aliens had infiltrated the cia and the psychological establishment and were trying to assassinate him? cuz it might be true, both of those groups are controlled by the space jews.


did l.ron have a good supply of tin foil hats? cuz that's the only real defense against the space jew mind control rays.

All I know about them is that they have their eyes on your wallet and that's all I need to know.

i wanna become a suppressive person, does it take much work. i rerally don't give a crap about sciencefictology, but if i can get on an enemies list without much work...


is it true l.ron thought aliens had infiltrated the cia and the psychological establishment and were trying to assassinate him? cuz it might be true, both of those groups are controlled by the space jews.


did l.ron have a good supply of tin foil hats? cuz that's the only real defense against the space jew mind control rays.

Bad mouth Scientology alot, preferably in as public a manner as possible. If you attract enough attention, you'll eventually be put on the list.



I wonder if the peson who voted "clear Scientologist" would care to defend CoS?

Bad mouth Scientology alot, preferably in as public a manner as possible. If you attract enough attention, you'll eventually be put on the list.



I wonder if the peson who voted "clear Scientologist" would care to defend CoS?

I want to get on the enemies list too...anyone want to help create an anti-Scientology web page?

im a young wiccan and apart from all the wiccan who are afraid of u. im actualli curious, wat do u guys believe and wat r ur spells like? eg how r u different from other pagan/wiccans?

im a young wiccan and apart from all the wiccan who are afraid of u. im actualli curious, wat do u guys believe and wat r ur spells like? eg how r u different from other pagan/wiccans?

I am an Nihilist, we Nihilist practice the most Ancient High Magick of Nada, Our Most Sacred Diety Zilch protects us and slays our enemies who are many, they will forever be damned to the utter Chaos of the Nothingness

I want to get on the enemies list too...anyone want to help create an anti-Scientology web page?

Already have a little up on my page:
http://www.angelfire.com/az/osakadave/smart/mind.html

I am an Nihilist, we Nihilist practice the most Ancient High Magick of Nada, Our Most Sacred Diety Zilch protects us and slays our enemies who are many, they will forever be damned to the utter Chaos of the Nothingness


i believe in the cult of dynamite

I heard somewhere that they expect you to give birth in silence :eek: I doubt I could manage that. When I gave birth, I surprised even my midwife with my volume and profanity ;)

There have been one or two royal commissions into scientology and it was banned in several states for a while and I think its status is still a bit dubious here.

One board of inquiry here found that scientology was "evil, a danger to the mental health of the community, based on fiction and propagated by falsehood."

They keep offering me these "personality" tests to see how I am mentally. I've taken a few over the years - usually as an inebriated attempt to entertain a bunch of friends for free. Surprisingly they always tell us that we am all fucked up in ways that only they can help us with....

Amazing that ;)

what amazes me the most about Scientology? Its the people gullible enough to buy all that BS
what? you have trouble with believing that there are dead aliens in your head?


as i understand it, people dont get to the really stupid parts until the have invested years and all their money into the church. then they are so stuck in it that they have a hard time getting out. well at least they wont get out if they still have some money left, if they are broke, unable to work for scientology or otherwise bring in money/converts they are tossed out onto the streets.

what? you have trouble with believing that there are dead aliens in your head?


as i understand it, people dont get to the really stupid parts until the have invested years and all their money into the church. then they are so stuck in it that they have a hard time getting out. well at least they wont get out if they still have some money left, if they are broke, unable to work for scientology or otherwise bring in money/converts they are tossed out onto the streets.

Noty to mention they have collected a file of all thge embarassing things you confessed to during your auditing that they can blackmail you with.

I just did their online personality test (just for fun), I answered all the questions as positively as I could, making out that was as well balanced and thoughtful as i could possibly be, in fact if all my answers were true I would be hailed as the second coming of the big JC and yet they still told me I needed help :headbang: :p :rolleyes: :confused:

I just did their online personality test (just for fun), I answered all the questions as positively as I could, making out that was as well balanced and thoughtful as i could possibly be, in fact if all my answers were true I would be hailed as the second coming of the big JC and yet they still told me I needed help :headbang: :p :rolleyes: :confused:

Yep. This has the "correct" answers: http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/

Yep. This has the "correct" answers: http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/

Interesting reading!

I wonder how the likes of John Travolta and Tom Cruise can be involved with Scientology?, they both strike me as intelligent enough people and should be able to see the whole Hubbard philosophy for what it is, do you think they were recruited differently from the run of the mill" person?

Interesting reading!

I wonder how the likes of John Travolta and Tom Cruise can be involved with Scientology?, they both strike me as intelligent enough people and should be able to see the whole Hubbard philosophy for what it is, do you think they were recruited differently from the run of the mill" person?

Probably not. Scientology does target celebs. But I think many of these people are open to it for similar reasons that others are.
http://www.primechoice.com/philosophy/shelp/celebrities.htm

I must say that I am pleasantly surprised that no-one here is defending Co$. It brings up my esteem for the members here. :D

Interesting reading!

I wonder how the likes of John Travolta and Tom Cruise can be involved with Scientology?, they both strike me as intelligent enough people and should be able to see the whole Hubbard philosophy for what it is, do you think they were recruited differently from the run of the mill" person?
Hollywood actors aren't exactly known for their intelligence.

Well, having now read up a bit about how they became involved it seems that all a hollywood actor needs is to get involved with someone who is already a Scientologist (both Cruise and Travolta were introduced by former partners), then through various methods and "courses" they unload themselves of former mis-deeds, crimes and sexual pecadillos which in turn are recorded by their "auditor/councelor" and can be used to......shall we say "convince" them that staying with Scientology and being spokespersons for them would be the prudent thing to do lest their secrets be accidently leaked to the worlds press.
(aparently Travolta is a closet gay and bi sexual, a pre-requisite for hollywood types I always thought ;) ).

Whether the stuff written is true or not I don't know, not being privvy to them, but if they are true then surley John and Tom are big enough names in the celebrity world to ride out any public outcry as to what they get up to in their private lives..............lets face it, being gay, bi or even, dare I say, hetero is hardly earth shattering news these days.

i expect that they work on the celebs insecurities about their position in peoples minds as well. so they convince someone like tom cruise that if the public knew he had had a gay fling some time in his past that we would all turn our backs on him. who knows how much "dirt" these guys might have in their past? would YOU want the world to know every stupid thing you have ever done?

not that he (cruise) seems in bondage to them. he seems to go right along with the whole stupid program they have for clearing engrams from your brain (the dead aliens i think). celebs are so superstitious about their success that he may well feel that it would be unlucky to leave the church. who knows?