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More accuratly, is there any religion where I would go to heaven? Or, is there any chance for redemption(not that I am really looking.)?

I am an atheist.

I am not moral, I don't believe in helping others, and I deny anything religious vetemently.

I am a very mean, rude person.

I have no qualms about killing, stealing, etc.

(Not meant to be a troll or anything, just wondering how people will be able to twist this as a possible admission to heaven.)

If you need to ask me any questions to clarify anything, please do.

do you mean as you are? without changing a thing about your beliefs or actions?

do you mean as you are? without changing a thing about your beliefs or actions?

Yes. The second part of the question is about possible reform/redemption.

you're going straight to hell, but christianity at least and probably many others offer salvation even as you are now

Yes. The second part of the question is about possible reform/redemption.your only chance is through the (old) Hindu beliefs. you keep reincarnating untill you get it right.

However, Reform/Redemtion without change is an oxymoron. You can redeem yourself, but it requires change... no matter what religion you go to.

your only chance is through the (old) Hindu beliefs. you keep reincarnating untill you get it right.

However, Reform/Redemtion without change is an oxymoron. You can redeem yourself, but it requires change... no matter what religion you go to.

I know. The second part is if I did change. However, the least change, the better.

More accuratly, is there any religion where I would go to heaven? Or, is there any chance for redemption(not that I am really looking.)?

I am an atheist.

I am not moral, I don't believe in helping others, and I deny anything religious vetemently.

I am a very mean, rude person.

I have no qualms about killing, stealing, etc.

(Not meant to be a troll or anything, just wondering how people will be able to twist this as a possible admission to heaven.)

If you need to ask me any questions to clarify anything, please do.

As I understand it, many christian denominations need only for you to change that atheist part.

Well even if you don't find a religion that suits you, you should probably consider changing your ways, there are enough angry, rude SUV driving, cellphone talking people in the world today. Consider slowing down to let that poor guy make the left turn or at least try and think how some one else would feel in that situation.

*I hate when I have to make a left turn across two lanes and no one slows down. It fills me with an enourmous amount of rage, and women are bad drivers, SUV's suck and women in SUV's are a lethal combination. I had to vent that.

Well even if you don't find a religion that suits you, you should probably consider changing your ways, there are enough angry, rude SUV driving, cellphone talking people in the world today. Consider slowing down to let that poor guy make the left turn or at least try and think how some one else would feel in that situation.

*I hate when I have to make a left turn across two lanes and no one slows down. It fills me with an enourmous amount of rage, and women are bad drivers, SUV's suck and women in SUV's are a lethal combination. I had to vent that.

I meant to say I'm also a hypocrit. Knew I had forgotten one. I dont really care about other's feelings, whatever is best for me, is best in my eyes.

I'll try to give you the Catholic perspective

More accuratly, is there any religion where I would go to heaven? Or, is there any chance for redemption(not that I am really looking.)?

I am an atheist.

are you an atheist atheist (which I kinda doubt you are, cause your worried about hell) or just an agnostic

I am not moral, I don't believe in helping others, and I deny anything religious vetemently.

give it a chance, its alot easier than you think, in many instances easier than being immoral

I am a very mean, rude person.

work on that, theres no reason for that

I have no qualms about killing, stealing, etc.

killing and stealing to what end though? killing cause some fo' is wearing a red bandana instead of a blue one or taking a life to save many?


right now (depending on what you've done) you'd probobly go to purgatory for a long time and work out the theological point then go to heaven after while

I am pretty sure that the Lord God L. Ron Hubbard will accept you if you have enough money. So can you add "I am rich" to your list?

As I understand it, many christian denominations need only for you to change that atheist part.


AND WE HAVE A WINNER - !!!!!

More accuratly, is there any religion where I would go to heaven? Or, is there any chance for redemption(not that I am really looking.)?

I am an atheist.

I am not moral, I don't believe in helping others, and I deny anything religious vetemently.

I am a very mean, rude person.

I have no qualms about killing, stealing, etc.

(Not meant to be a troll or anything, just wondering how people will be able to twist this as a possible admission to heaven.)

If you need to ask me any questions to clarify anything, please do.

You'll be going to prison...

Am I going to hell?

There is absolutely nobody on these forums who has the authority to answer that question and anyone who does answer it is trying to sell you something.

I'll try to give you the Catholic perspective



are you an atheist atheist (which I kinda doubt you are, cause your worried about hell) or just an agnostic

Im actually an Antitheist. I have a strong disbelief in any religion. Im used to saying atheist, is all. Im not worried about hell, I am just bored, and trying to waste a few hours before sleep.

give it a chance, its alot easier than you think, in many instances easier than being immoral

I am moral sometimes, but more often not.

work on that, theres no reason for that

Sure there is. It makes me feel good.

killing and stealing to what end though? killing cause some fo' is wearing a red bandana instead of a blue one or taking a life to save many?

Inbetween, I suppose. If I wanted to steal some guys car, and I could get away with everything scot-free, I would be ok with killing him for it. Just an example.

right now (depending on what you've done) you'd probobly go to purgatory for a long time and work out the theological point then go to heaven after while

Cool. I havn't commited any sins afaik, at least, nothing against the ten commandments.

Bump

If your a true athiest, you don't believe in heaven or hell, but rather light and dark, cold and hot... things that are 'True' to the world, and not a belief.

You'll be going to prison...

If I'm caught doing something illegal, yes.

If your a true athiest, you don't believe in heaven or hell, but rather light and dark, cold and hot... things that are 'True' to the world, and not a belief.

I dont believe in hell, etc. Im just wondering other peoples perspectives on me. There is a chance I'm wrong, though I very much doubt it.

I am pretty sure that the Lord God L. Ron Hubbard will accept you if you have enough money. So can you add "I am rich" to your list?

Dunno if I could be called rich. Middle class, dad makes about 140k a year.

i deno buddy, you sound like a practicing catholic to me

How about myself?

I'm a moral person, except I'm not Christian...

Am I going to hell? Because the Avesta says No.

There is absolutely nobody on these forums who has the authority to answer that question and anyone who does answer it is trying to sell you something.

but God spoke unto the people, he gave the guidelines for his people to follow and said that if they broke them they'd go to hell

he just asking if (according to our own religions) he's broken them to a sever enough extent to warrent going to hell

and clearly we can answer that question

Cool. I havn't commited any sins afaik, at least, nothing against the ten commandments.

well.......the first one

i deno buddy, you sound like a practicing catholic to me

bite me

If I'm caught doing something illegal, yes.

I bet someday, you will be someone's wife

but God spoke unto the people, he gave the guidelines for his people to follow and said that if they broke them they'd go to hell


We can only judge actions. God knows what's in his heart. If we judge his actions, we can give a definate "maybe", but there may be goodness and grace in his heart that we may never see.

The immoral atheist may stand beside the righteous nobleman in Paradise. One by the Law and one by the gift of Grace.

We can never truly know what will happen to someone else. That's why when God spoke to the people, the people were told to worry about themselves and tend to their own sin.

Dunno if I could be called rich. Middle class, dad makes about 140k a year.

If you would say that your earning potential is good, then I suppose the church of Scientology would welcome you with open arms.

You might want to get various quotes, though, there are many more traditional religions who are in to selling blessedness.

As I understand it, you can do whatever you like as long you ask Jesus for forgiveness before you die, sincerely. I'm pretty sure it says somewhere in the bible that one's deeds are not responsible for one's fate, or words to that effect. Otherwise, what would be the point of God getting Jesus to die?

well.......the first one

First time I've actually read them

Broken:
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All of em but 5, go figure.

We can only judge actions. God knows what's in his heart. If we judge his actions, we can give a definate "maybe", but there may be goodness and grace in his heart that we may never see.

whats his heart matter if he's an unrepentant axe murderer? sure, if he repents we stand no ground to judge be clearly this man is far from repentance

The immoral atheist may stand beside the righteous nobleman in Paradise. One by the Law and one by the gift of Grace.

maybe if that atheist was stranded on an island his whole life and knew nothing of religion, but this man clearly does know something of it and yet he casts it away, he goes so far as to deny the very existance of God and to embrace sin. how can you say this man, unrepentant, will be rewarded?

We can never truly know what will happen to someone else. That's why when God spoke to the people, the people were told to worry about themselves and tend to their own sin.

mmmmm......good call (but remember, he started the threat and asked to be judged)

As I understand it, you can do whatever you like as long you ask Jesus for forgiveness before you die, sincerely. I'm pretty sure it says somewhere in the bible that one's deeds are not responsible for one's fate, or words to that effect. Otherwise, what would be the point of God getting Jesus to die?

you see, thats assuming a person either never had the chance to find religion or has had a genuine change of heart

if you've been planning it all along your still going to hell

God isn't the IRS

I bet someday, you will be someone's wife

Is homosexuality a sin if its forced upon you?

Is homosexuality a sin if its forced upon you?

naw, can't do nothing to help that

damn corrupt prisons

I am really dissapointed that W hasn't tried to do anything about that

Is homosexuality a sin if its forced upon you?

I am sure you will get used to it, but don't let your new husband sell you for a mere cigarette...make him ask for a whole pack...

whats his heart matter if he's an unrepentant axe murderer? sure, if he repents we stand no ground to judge be clearly this man is far from repentance. maybe if that atheist was stranded on an island his whole life and knew nothing of religion, but this man clearly does know something of it and yet he casts it away, he goes so far as to deny the very existance of God and to embrace sin. how can you say this man, unrepentant, will be rewarded?


Well - and keep in mind that this is coming from a Muslim viewpoint - we do not get to determine what God does. The man could repent in his heart, but make no outward show of his repentance. If we judge this man without knowing his heart, then we are far more likely to get the cheap seats in Paradise.

mmmmm......good call (but remember, he started the threat and asked to be judged)

Yes, I know, and I'm guessing it was more of a troll/bored move than anything. However, that aside, even if someone asks me to judge them, I will only tell them this:

Love God, pray, and give to the needy. Otherwise, I am not a qualified judge.

If they say they're an atheist, then I say, "Ok. Then at least help take care of the Earth." In its own way, loving the creation is a step in the right direction towards loving God.

you see, thats assuming a person either never had the chance to find religion or has had a genuine change of heart

if you've been planning it all along your still going to hell

God isn't the IRS

Actually, if you believe your plan will work from day one, most of Christian teachings would say that you are fine. At least Protestant ones, Catholics generally put more emphasis on actions if I am correct.

How about myself?

I'm a moral person, except I'm not Christian...

Am I going to hell?

Still looking for an answer... tell me the truth.

Well - and keep in mind that this is coming from a Muslim viewpoint - we do not get to determine what God does. The man could repent in his heart, but make no outward show of his repentance.

but in this dude's particular cicumstances

he's telling us he doesn't belive in God in the least, has broke 9 out of the 10 commandments and says he's totally unrepentent

if this is true he could go to hell and would definatly spend some time in purgatory

you see, thats assuming a person either never had the chance to find religion or has had a genuine change of heart

if you've been planning it all along your still going to hell

God isn't the IRS

I said 'sincerely,' i.e. you have to mean it.

Is homosexuality a sin if its forced upon you?

No, dont feel bad, but if you ever see the SOB again, kick him in the nuts as

hard as you can.

I said 'sincerely,' i.e. you have to mean it.

you can't plan out a "sincere" conversion

How about myself?

I'm a moral person, except I'm not Christian...

Am I going to hell? Because the Avesta says No.

If you believe what the Avesta says and follow its teachings, then you're probably not. Billions of people aren't Christian. Christians do not have a lock on Paradise.

No, dont feel bad, but if you ever see the SOB again, kick him in the nuts as

hard as you can.

or you know.....report him to the police?

you can't plan out a "sincere" conversion

I never said anything about planning it out, although it was implied. What I said is true, despite being misleading.

Still looking for an answer... tell me the truth.

not hell, possibly purgatory (from Catholicism perspective)

ask yourself - why don't you believe in Christ?

but in this dude's particular cicumstances

he's telling us he doesn't belive in God in the least, has broke 9 out of the 10 commandments and says he's totally unrepentent

if this is true he could go to hell and would definatly spend some time in purgatory

Again, I have to go with a maybe. It's possible, sure, but anything could happen. For all we know, ten minutes from now, he will have a revelation and be reborn of spirit and he may head off into the world never to post on NS again. Then we would be stuck here with the impression that he's off to Hell when, in fact, we could be wrong.

If he were laying on his bed dieing, then I might be more inclined to help him find his answer.

I am sure you will get used to it, but don't let your new husband sell you for a mere cigarette...make him ask for a whole pack...

I would actually probably be the one with the upper-hand in such a prison relationship.

I would actually probably be the one with the upper-hand in such a prison relationship.

a big fan of sodomy are we?

not hell, possibly purgatory (from Catholicism perspective)

ask yourself - why don't you believe in Christ?

Because, I believe that all faiths lead to good mind, find the teachings of Zarathustra to be the most logical, and similar to how many Christians "know" that their God is there for them, so do I "know" that Ahura Mazda is with me.

or you know.....report him to the police?

Um no, satisfaction would be too good to pass up, report him to the police

afterwards.

a big fan of sodomy are we?

Would have to try it to figure out. Im willing to try anything twice.

More accuratly, is there any religion where I would go to heaven? Or, is there any chance for redemption(not that I am really looking.)?

I am an atheist.

I am not moral, I don't believe in helping others, and I deny anything religious vetemently.

I am a very mean, rude person.

I have no qualms about killing, stealing, etc.

(Not meant to be a troll or anything, just wondering how people will be able to twist this as a possible admission to heaven.)

If you need to ask me any questions to clarify anything, please do.


I don't believe in a hell, so in my religious beliefs, by default, you'd go to "heaven," "the afterlife," whatever. However, whether you'd be enjoying yourself or cleaning toilets would be up to debate.

Of course, there are some religions where the concepts of "heaven" and "hell" are skewed a bit. In the old Norse religion (which is practiced by a few people), almost everyone goes to Hel (not to be confused with "hell") which is neither good or bad, though there are better parts of it than others. The ancient Greek religion is similar in that everyone (pretty much goes) to the underworld, just some parts of the underworld are good and some are... well... less good.

As someone mentioned before, there is the whole reincarnation thing, so you would keep doing it until you got it right, though if you never changed I don't know what would happen to you at the end of the earth (the Earth will, after all, inevitably end).

Then of course, you could always become a satanist. Either a Laveyan or a Devil-Worshiper. The latter would guarentee you a place in hell, if it exists, though maybe you'd be in Satan's (if he/she) favor. It all depends on what religious viewpoint you're going on. Some the question isn't even applicable to.

So basically, in my religious beliefs, no, you won't go to hell, because there is no such place.

More accuratly, is there any religion where I would go to heaven? Or, is there any chance for redemption(not that I am really looking.)?

I am an atheist.

I am not moral, I don't believe in helping others, and I deny anything religious vetemently.

I am a very mean, rude person.

I have no qualms about killing, stealing, etc.

(Not meant to be a troll or anything, just wondering how people will be able to twist this as a possible admission to heaven.)

If you need to ask me any questions to clarify anything, please do.

Yes. You are going to Wal-Mart.

If you haven't noticed, you're already in Hell.

More accuratly, is there any religion where I would go to heaven? Or, is there any chance for redemption(not that I am really looking.)?

I am an atheist.

I am not moral, I don't believe in helping others, and I deny anything religious vetemently.

I am a very mean, rude person.

I have no qualms about killing, stealing, etc.

Yes, you are going to hell, because you deserve to.

I'm not really sure there is a "heaven" in the current, Christian understanding of the word. I suspect that if there is, there are going to be a LOT of really surprised people ... some because of who's not there, and some because of who IS! LOL!

I'm not really sure there is a "heaven" in the current, Christian understanding of the word. I suspect that if there is, there are going to be a LOT of really surprised people ... some because of who's not there, and some because of who IS! LOL!

Tho I cant remember the name, the last book of vonnegut's talks about a man who can travel from the real life to heaven, and back. Its a nice, funny interpretation, where everyone is allowed into heaven.

oh no, hell's not bad enough for you. Instead you have to choose between Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

This might offend a lot of people, but speaking as one athiest to another (eh... I'm more like borderline athiest, mostly agnostic) I guess I can say this. Any God who bases admission to Heaven/Paradise based on belief is retarded, and anyone who buys into that nonsense is by definition brain-washed. Morality is all relative. I don't think anyone ultimately knows where they're spending eternity, if there even is one.

This might offend a lot of people, but speaking as one athiest to another (eh... I'm more like borderline athiest, mostly agnostic) I guess I can say this. Any God who bases admission to Heaven/Paradise based on belief is retarded, and anyone who buys into that nonsense is by definition brain-washed. Morality is all relative. I don't think anyone ultimately knows where they're spending eternity, if there even is one.

Theoretically, he bases it more on blind obedience than belief. There are alot of people who believe (at least nominally), but don't follow the rules.

And, of course, technically, all the people who never heard of christianity (say, the people native to north and south america pre-columbus) are automatically cast into the pit. As are people who are told about him, and just don't buy it, etc.

I'm not one to support a religion that worships a god that would inflict eternal torment on otherwise perfectly good people because they didn't hear about him/etc.

Theoretically, he bases it more on blind obedience than belief. There are alot of people who believe (at least nominally), but don't follow the rules.

And, of course, technically, all the people who never heard of christianity (say, the people native to north and south america pre-columbus) are automatically cast into the pit. As are people who are told about him, and just don't buy it, etc.

I'm not one to support a religion that worships a god that would inflict eternal torment on otherwise perfectly good people because they didn't hear about him/etc.

But see, that doesn't make sense. Jesus Himself told people to watch out for wolves in sheep clothing, and "Blind Fools!" was a common name He called people such as the Pharisees who blindly obeyed as you would call it.
And then Jesus Himself said, "How can they believe if no one tells them?" A lot of the warnings Jesus gives have more to do with immediate consequences than eternal ones, like paying your debts as soon as possible, and avoiding law suits, and all sorts of things. It doesn't make sense to base entrance into Heaven/Paradise on belief, because the only you really can control belief is if you BRAINWASH yourself. And I think that's wrong and potentially very dangerous (i.e. the religious right), but you CAN control your behavior. And then if we're supposed to believe a certain thing, why isn't it inborn? "Original sin"? Original sin is based on a misogynistic idea that a woman tried to learn (the tree of knowledge of good and evil...) and so because of trying to learn, she gave sin to everyone that would descend from her. Gosh. I don't know. :headbang:

You need to stop worrying about mythology after the grave and focus on your own life and your own moral integrity. As a human being, you have the obligation to yourself to follow the path of righteousness and deny the soul-cleaving monstrosities of immorality.

You only have one life to live: Ask yourself why you follow darkness. Ask yourself why you waste such a potentially meaningful existence on the immoral and the destructive.

The hell you are condemned to if you follow immorality is not a literal place but the hell of your own polluted mind and your own lack of spiritual integrity. Immorality eats away at the mind; it's truly self-destructive, and you are on a path to misery.

Anyhow, I've always believed religion to be a primitive form of philosophy that relies upon the negation of reason and the worship of fear, pain, self-sacrifice, ignorance, and death. I'm an atheist, however, I am not scared of any hell, as such a hell is not within existence, and I exist within the heaven of morality, something msot christians will never experience.

A few points that I wanted to make on this threat, because I though it was pretty interesting. Firstly, I'll answer the question. In Judaism, my religion, hell or heaven isn't the important part, the important part is living your life as a good person. If you're Jewish, there are 613 laws, if you're not, there are 7.

As for some people speaking on behalf of Christianity, don't take this the wrong way. Why is it that if I live a good life, give to charity and do good deeds, would G-d reject me just because I don't believe Jesus is the messiah? If G-d loves me, isn't living a good, morale life enough?

Also, why I don't believe in Jesus, someone asked that. A few reasons. Mainly, he doesn't fit the criteria. I do believe he had a good message, and aspect of the temple were corrupt, but I don't believe in it. Also, I have a small problem with part of the message, that if you don't believe in Jesus as the message, it doesn't matter how good a person you are. In Islam and Judaism, there's room to be a good person within another belief system.

First off, I'm an athiest.

Most religions are flawed. I expect the boston city catholic priests plan on going to "heaven", and if they can get in after what they did, you can.

More accuratly, is there any religion where I would go to heaven? Or, is there any chance for redemption(not that I am really looking.)?

I am an atheist.

I am not moral, I don't believe in helping others, and I deny anything religious vetemently.

I am a very mean, rude person.

I have no qualms about killing, stealing, etc.

(Not meant to be a troll or anything, just wondering how people will be able to twist this as a possible admission to heaven.)

If you need to ask me any questions to clarify anything, please do.

Methinks that even, despite all of the above, we were to say that yes you will go to heaven you would just give some other excuse as to why you can't possibly ever go to heaven because that is what you want us to say.

First off, I'm an athiest.

Most religions are flawed. I expect the boston city catholic priests plan on going to "heaven", and if they can get in after what they did, you can.

They may very well have 'plans' on going to heaven but only God will know if they truly are sorry for what they did. Everybody, no matter their crime, can go to heaven (though it may take a while) as long as they truly are sorry and repent for their sins.

More accuratly, is there any religion where I would go to heaven? Or, is there any chance for redemption(not that I am really looking.)?

I am an atheist.

I am not moral, I don't believe in helping others, and I deny anything religious vetemently.

I am a very mean, rude person.

I have no qualms about killing, stealing, etc.

(Not meant to be a troll or anything, just wondering how people will be able to twist this as a possible admission to heaven.)

If you need to ask me any questions to clarify anything, please do.



From what I gather be Catholic.. as long as you confess at the last minute you're ok...

From what I gather be Catholic.. as long as you confess at the last minute you're ok...

the Bible clearly says that those who seek forgiveness will be forgiven. It's not just as easy as 'confessing'. Only God will know if you truly repent for your sins and are truly sorry for them (at the Last Judgement).

the Bible clearly says that those who seek forgiveness will be forgiven. It's not just as easy as 'confessing'. Only God will know if you truly repent for your sins and are truly sorry for them (at the Last Judgement).

Just joshing you, think of the Godfather and similar movies..

Just joshing you, think of the Godfather and similar movies..

Never seen the Godfather.

Never seen the Godfather.

but you know basically that these guys were Mafia and did terrible things.. They also supported the Church and would confess as they died of gunshot wounds..

but you know basically that these guys were Mafia and did terrible things.. They also supported the Church and would confess as they died of gunshot wounds..

Well, just because you sin doesn't mean you don't believe.

Going back to the original question...
If you're an atheist, why are you bothering to question your place in an afterlife?
Hypothetically, if you lead a relatively moral (not religious moral) life in moderation and the Ancient Egyptian Polytheism is true, then you can go to "heaven". If the whole reincarnation great wheel stuff is true, then you will go into your next incarnation and try to get it right in the form of a cat. Shouldn't be so bad.
As far as Jesus...hardly anybody has a chance. In Dante's Inferno, he ridiculed Christianity for being strict to the degree that you can be in hell or limbo for pretty much everything. Though it is a hyperbole, I do think it has much merit to it.
C.S. Lewis wrote a short novel called "The Great Divorce". It is also about "hell". However, Lewis' Hell is more a state of mind than anything, and the "sinners" are people who cannot grasp the truth of love.
In essence, I am saying...it does depend on your own opinions of the True Path to life. But really, what's better about atheism than not having to worry about all this redemption crap?
If I thought about the preservation of my soul, I would probably implode. But that's just me ^^
Good luck
-Vladia

Well, just because you sin doesn't mean you don't believe.

I thought the point was not to sin. (or try not to) these guys killed eople for a living and then expected to go to heaven..( or try to buy their way in)

I thought the point was not to sin. (or try not to) these guys killed eople for a living and then expected to go to heaven..( or try to buy their way in)

It's unrealistic to believe that the normal human being, Mr. Average, will not sin. Even Saints have sinned.

From what I gather be Catholic.. as long as you confess at the last minute you're ok...
be muslim since it's the newest religion and go to mecca to be forgived of your sins....

It's unrealistic to believe that the normal human being, Mr. Average, will not sin. Even Saints have sinned.

Isn't the effort (or the attempt) not to important?

Isn't the effort (or the attempt) not to important?

Of course the effort and attempt to sin is important, but we are all human and not one of us is perfect enough to not sin ever (and plus we all have original sin). Thus, the importance of confession.

Going back to the original question...
If you're an atheist, why are you bothering to question your place in an afterlife?
Hypothetically, if you lead a relatively moral (not religious moral) life in moderation and the Ancient Egyptian Polytheism is true, then you can go to "heaven". If the whole reincarnation great wheel stuff is true, then you will go into your next incarnation and try to get it right in the form of a cat. Shouldn't be so bad.
As far as Jesus...hardly anybody has a chance. In Dante's Inferno, he ridiculed Christianity for being strict to the degree that you can be in hell or limbo for pretty much everything. Though it is a hyperbole, I do think it has much merit to it.
C.S. Lewis wrote a short novel called "The Great Divorce". It is also about "hell". However, Lewis' Hell is more a state of mind than anything, and the "sinners" are people who cannot grasp the truth of love.
In essence, I am saying...it does depend on your own opinions of the True Path to life. But really, what's better about atheism than not having to worry about all this redemption crap?
If I thought about the preservation of my soul, I would probably implode. But that's just me ^^
Good luck
-Vladia

Actually, in the Inferno, Dante originally sympathizes with sinners, but as he progressively goes further into the depths of Hell, it stops, and if you listen to the "sinners'" stories, they condemn themselves through the words that come out of their own mouths. Like Francesca, for example. If you read her words you find that she has a habit of blaming others. I could go on, but anyway...
Dante's criticism of the Church doesn't come from its' strictness but from the political issues between the Geulphs and the Ghibbelines (I probably just killed the spelling). You can see this in the poem when you notice that deceit and betrayal are considered far more worse than murder. (See also his conversation with Pope Boniface.)
The central "theme" of the poem, if there is any, is God's justice. Dante was a devout Catholic that just happened to believe the Pope was incredibly currupt and for good political reason. His poem is more of a political statement than it is a spiritual statement.

This scripture will tell you the basics of how you can receive salvation. Jesus tells John to say this to the church of Philadelphia (Asia, not Pennsylvania)

Revelation 3:8 "I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name.

In also says at least some Jews are destined for damnation.

Revelation 3:9 "Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you."

be muslim since it's the newest religion and go to mecca to be forgived of your sins....

I am sorry but Islam is not the newest revealed religion--the Baha'i Faith is the newest which began in Persia (Iran) in 1844 and has now spread around the world.

I am sorry but Islam is not the newest revealed religion--the Baha'i Faith is the newest which began in Persia (Iran) in 1844 and has now spread around the world.

Urantianism came around in the 1940's.

As I understand it, many christian denominations need only for you to change that atheist part.

Sadly true.

Chellis, I wouldn't presume to tell you whether you're going to Hell or not, and I'd hope that no other Christian would. Too many people forget that it's God's decision, and we don't know his standards or the extent of his mercy. As for the second question, redemption is always possible.

Putting religion aside for a moment, though, you didn't exactly describe yourself as the kind of person I'd like to spend a Saturday afternoon with.

I have a question for the original poster: are you a sociopath? Because you sound a bit like one.

As for the Hell thing. Yeah, you're going there (if it existed). You may not have broken any of the ten commandments, but it's quite hard not to break at least one of the seven deadly sins. You can find out where in Hell you're going here: http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

[QUOTE=Snorklenork]I have a question for the original poster: are you a sociopath? Because you sound a bit like one.

He is a sociopath, hes also very frightened of everyone, so frightened he will

hurt them, why?

Because this man loathes himself so much, he wont let people get near him.

Urantianism came around in the 1940's.
As I understand it Unitarianism is a Christian sect and I think it started well before the 1940's. According to the dictionary I looked in Unitarians reject the Trinity as do the teachings of the Baha'i Faith. Abdu'l Baha, the son of Baha'u'llah, visited America in 1912 and spoke in many Unitarian Churchs during his visit in the United States and Canada.

be muslim since it's the newest religion and go to mecca to be forgived of your sins....

Actually, I think Jedi is the newest.

Hold the door, i'll be right behind ya.

like I said -- Yes, you are going to Wal-mart. get over it. ;P

Well...if the jews are right, then there is no hell.

Judiasm holds, that G-d knows we're going to mess up in life because of free will, he'd prefer if we did good, but he's not going to send you to hell over it.

There is technically a purgatory where your cleansed of your sins, and after that you go to heaven.

So yeah... at least thats what i understood in my Torah Classes.

Erm...any questions?

Actually, I think Jedi is the newest.
i mean the major ones , christianity,judaism and islam...

More accuratly, is there any religion where I would go to heaven? Or, is there any chance for redemption(not that I am really looking.)?

I am an atheist.

I am not moral, I don't believe in helping others, and I deny anything religious vetemently.

I am a very mean, rude person.

I have no qualms about killing, stealing, etc.

(Not meant to be a troll or anything, just wondering how people will be able to twist this as a possible admission to heaven.)

If you need to ask me any questions to clarify anything, please do.


I didn't read the thread just this first post. I have the relgion for you - (like most peoples) my religion.

We believe that life, though it has its ups and downs, is heaven and death is simply oblivion - hell. (www.churchofsatan.com)

Here might be a website where some of your questions could be answeared. www.lds.org but let me answear some of your questions about going to hell. Well in my religion(Im mormon) we beleive that if you die and have not accepted god then you go to a place called the spirit world and you learn there and if not accepted their then there is no hope for you. Thats basically the just of what would happen if you dont accept god. As for your character you dont exactly need to be nice or carring in a way. Those things about being nice or helping others is just a way of serving god.

Well hope this helps and if you have any questions, please ask.

i mean the major ones , christianity,judaism and islam...


The Baha'i Faith is nowhere near as large number wise as the three you mentioned here; but it is without a doubt the newest and probably the most wide spread