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Article: Putin says United States trying to isolate, destabilize Russia

Dobbs Town
24-12-2004, 08:43
Putin says United States trying to isolate, destabilize Russia

02:34 AM EST Dec 24

MOSCOW (AP) - Russian President Vladimir Putin voiced suspicion Thursday the United States might be behind efforts to isolate Russia and destabilize it.

With Russia already feeling hemmed in by U.S. bases in formerly Soviet Central Asia and U.S. military trainers in Georgia, Putin has taken issue with western and particularly U.S. activism in Ukraine, where a presidential election that sparked a monthlong crisis goes into a third round this weekend.

Putin's emotions came boiling to the surface during a three-hour Kremlin news conference, during which he took questions from 51 journalists, pausing occasionally to sip tea from a blue-and-white china cup.

Putin was asked for a reaction to an interview in which Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski said: "For every superpower, Russia without Ukraine is better than Russia with Ukraine."

"If we interpret this (statement by Kwasniewski) as striving to limit Russia's ability to develop relations with its neighbours, then it means a desire to isolate the Russian Federation," Putin said testily.

"I don't think that is the goal of U.S. policy," he said but added he would ask President George W. Bush about it in February when they meet in Slovakia. Putin then blamed the United States for a policy on Chechnya "aimed at creating elements that would destabilize the Russian Federation."

The comments were in line with Putin's increasingly combative attitude toward the West and especially the United States. The Kremlin is convinced the United States is behind a campaign to install Ukraine's pro-western opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko at the helm of the country. Putin has backed Yushchenko's opponent, Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych.

Putin has long been used to reticence from Bush but even if the U.S. president has refrained from direct criticism of Kremlin policies at home until now, he has challenged Moscow over its involvement in the Ukrainian presidential campaign and stood firm on insisting the runoff election be held again.

Analysts close to the Kremlin have accused Poland of working in Ukraine at the behest of the United States, which they allege is trying to deepen its influence in Europe and push Poland to the top ranks of the European Union.

Kwasniewski said in Warsaw on Thursday that Putin's remarks were unfair.

"The words said today by Putin, in my opinion, are unfair words, a price that Poland and I must pay for our involvement in solving the political crisis in Ukraine," Kwasniewski said.

"In the interview, I said that Poland and the world need Russia to be present in solving the crisis in the Ukraine and that a democratic Russia and democratic Ukraine will serve the world in the best way," he said.

Putin said his personal relationship with Bush remains strong but he has bristled at U.S. criticism of the Kremlin's political restructuring proposals, which include an end to direct elections for governors.

"I don't think we should move toward an authoritarian state, especially a Soviet-style authoritarian state," Putin said.

"That wouldn't help create favourable conditions for economic development and would limit the society's ability to control the government. That would be excessive," he said.

In turn, Putin criticized the plan for Iraqi elections, which he said could not be fair while there is a U.S.-led military presence in the country.

"I have strong doubts that it's possible to create conditions for democratic elections (in Iraq) when its entire territory is occupied by foreign troops," he said, also criticizing the United States for saying Chechnya isn't ready for elections.

Putin rubbed his finger on the desk to illustrate his angry discourse on Afghan elections, saying voters' fingerprints are a weak guarantee against fraud.

He criticized the 2004 U.S. presidential election, saying: "We are also not ecstatic about what's going on in the United States."




http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/041223/w122366.html



It's shaping up to be an interesting Christmas Eve - how do you feel about the apparent renewed tensions between two old adversaries?
Gnostikos
24-12-2004, 09:00
*cough*Stalin!*cough*
PIcaRDMPCia
24-12-2004, 09:56
Vladamir Putin is a crazy, powerhungry man; even the Communist party doesn't like the freedoms he's taken away "in the name of fighting terrorism." He even said Russia's research into a new nuclear weapon was for fighting terrorism. How do you fight terrorists with nukes? By nuking the cities they're hiding in? What a lier, and not a good one at that.
Nycton
24-12-2004, 10:02
I thought Bush and Putin were 'buddy-buddy'? He isn't happy about the elections? What does the dictator want? Really?
Amall Madnar
24-12-2004, 10:02
Putin simply unhappy because the US isn't giving him enough money to support the construction of oil towns ( Yes, we are sending money to Russia to help develop towns ).

But at the end of the day, we both have the same enemy: China.
See u Jimmy
24-12-2004, 10:36
He could be right.

Not only does he have the US, but Europe is pulling in the old eastern bloc countries as well.

He must be starting to feel the chill as what was a vast country (USSR) ruled from Russia, is now a fraction of the size, and influence. Painful, for the next few generations at least.
Von Witzleben
24-12-2004, 13:24
Vladamir Putin is a crazy, powerhungry man.
What a lier, and not a good one at that
Just like Bush. Birds of a feather.
Dobbs Town
24-12-2004, 16:47
I'm bumping this is the interests of promoting sober second thoughts before we all descend into our Christianized festival of Saturnalia and can't think at all soberly for the next week or so.

Bump!
Red1stang
24-12-2004, 17:14
Tootin Putin is the biggest drama queen. Silly Russian.
Defensor Fidei
24-12-2004, 17:18
Yet another "communism is dead" update... :rolleyes:
Kusarii
24-12-2004, 17:20
I don't think what Putin has said about the elections in the Ukraine is necessarily incorrect, in fact it seems damn logical to me. Russia is an unstable nation as it is, the so large (being the largest country in the world) and so corrupt, its democratic in name not much more.

The restructuring that Putin has implemented in the kremlin and nationwide however has restricted democratic freedoms and seems to be a move towards a more authoritarian state.

Considering how the conduct of the election in the Ukraine has been described (and documented with video evidence), I think the US and Europe are damn well entitled to say that they don't think the outcome was that of a fair election. Additionally, if Russia's "relations with its neighbours" extends to encouraging intimidation and assault and abuse of absentee voting, then they're relations that the world at large should NOT tolerate.
Upitatanium
24-12-2004, 22:08
This is an interesting thread. Does a conspiracy exist? It would explain why what's-his-face was poisoned but didn't die. Rather than being just lucky he could have been poisoned just enough to not die just to gain sympathy and cast doubt over the PM.

That is interesting. Take Russia over bit-by-bit. Sounds like Pax Americana to me. Not a single shot has to be fired or a single dictator to be supported. It would be subtle genius if it turns out to be true.
Upitatanium
24-12-2004, 22:42
Sadly, I think the thread died :(
Kusarii
24-12-2004, 22:57
You mean taking over the former Russian republics?

It's not dead, I just think people don't really know what to say over conspiracy theories, cause, well they're conspiracy theories:P

Debates usually like having one thing, thats facts:P

One thing where I might see plans by russia, is that the Ukraine when it split from the old USSR was where the majority or soviet missiles were based. It might sound stupid but the Ukraine is one of the largest nuclear powers in the globe because of it. Eitherway, it makes very good sense for putin to try and keep whoever is in power in that country on his side, and vice versa for other governments.
Von Witzleben
24-12-2004, 23:02
bump
Alomogordo
24-12-2004, 23:02
PUTIN is trying to isolate and destabilize Russia. He's trying to make himself a dictator, he wants to level Chechnya, and he was undoubtedly behind the poisoning of Viktor Yuschenko. We may have destabilized Iraq, but Russia has Putin to blame.
Von Witzleben
24-12-2004, 23:11
PUTIN is trying to isolate and destabilize Russia. He's trying to make himself a dictator, he wants to level Chechnya, and he was undoubtedly behind the poisoning of Viktor Yuschenko. We may have destabilized Iraq, but Russia has Putin to blame.
Now why would Putin try to destabilise Russia? What could he possibly gain from that? America on the other hand has lot's to gain. Siberian and Caspian oilfields. And lot's of other resources. As well as an old enemy at their mercy.
Carnagada
24-12-2004, 23:19
I feel very sorry for Russia. The way that other countries, especially the west, are trying to basically make russia their little bitch, it makes me hope that Russia becomes strong again sometime in the future, so that way we have some sort of counterweight against the US and China.
Smeagol-Gollum
24-12-2004, 23:29
What ridiculous charges.

It's not like the USA to intervene in the affairs of other nations, or to use clandestine means to do so, is it?
Von Witzleben
24-12-2004, 23:32
What ridiculous charges.

It's not like the USA to intervene in the affairs of other nations, or to use clandestine means to do so, is it?
No of course not. Afterall, they saved France. :rolleyes:
Smeagol-Gollum
24-12-2004, 23:55
No of course not. Afterall, they saved France. :rolleyes:

France?

Haven't you been paying attention?

They save all of Europe.

And just because the USA has the motive, method, opprtunity, no alibi, and a previous record of destabilising other countries, that doesn't prove a thing. Probably.
Von Witzleben
25-12-2004, 00:17
France?

Haven't you been paying attention?

They save all of Europe.
Oh yes of course. Silly me. And I think they also saved the rest of the world as well.

And just because the USA has the motive, method, opprtunity, no alibi, and a previous record of destabilising other countries, that doesn't prove a thing. Probably.
Ah yes. Your right of course. What was I thinking.
Chess Squares
25-12-2004, 00:39
Vladamir Putin is a crazy, powerhungry man; even the Communist party doesn't like the freedoms he's taken away "in the name of fighting terrorism." He even said Russia's research into a new nuclear weapon was for fighting terrorism. How do you fight terrorists with nukes? By nuking the cities they're hiding in? What a lier, and not a good one at that.
same reason you need to develop nuclear bunker busters to fight terrorism