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Just curious or if you call it something else. Real life as it was meant to be lived and so on.

I'm not sure I get the question. How can you ever be sure you have free will? What if it was your fate to choose what you chose?

I'm not sure I get the question. How can you ever be sure you have free will? What if it was your fate to choose what you chose?

Yea thats what i mean by Real life as it was meant to be lived and so on.

I think maybe you mean tradditional freewill as opposed to a more karmic idea of it?

i.e. free will - choose what to do and the repercussions are not defined by the way the universe works as opposed to the idea that if you do something bad, the repercussions are that something bad will happen to you?

Well if that is the case, I guess I'm a bit torn over it. As far as my evidence goes, logically I beleive that we all have freewill and there are no karmic repercussions, but I WANT to beleive that if someone does bad then they will be punished, and vice versa for good deeds.

i don't believe in free will, but thats because of my views on the nature of time. i believe heavily in fate, destiny, call it what you will.
just like our history, our future is already written, and has been since the beginning of time. Since the start of the universe i was destined to sit here at 00:37 GMT writing this reply. We are just characters following the script of existance...

...and now i shall follow that script by getting some sleep :D

Just curious or if you call it something else. Real life as it was meant to be lived and so on.

Well .... if you want to get down to brass tacks, I believe that nothing we do is possible without Allah - or "God" if you will.

This is truly what I believe and I know I will get flamed for it, but I believe that even Election 2000 would not have happened as it did unless it was the will of Allah.

Of course, I do not even believe that I fart unless it is the will of Allah.

What does that mean to the general public? Simple: It makes me a liberal, pinko, commie, gay loving, political correct freak. Why? Because it is the will of Allah. If Allah didn't want it to be an issue, Allah would have never let gays or liberals exist.

Since Allah let gays and liberals exist, then I must, therefore, accept that gays and liberals are acceptable to Allah.

On the same token, I must accept that childhood diseases, pedophelia, pain, suffering, and death are part of the will of Allah.

Free will? There would be no life without it. To all things a purpose.

I sure hope I have free will. I'd hate to think that someone planned for me to get struck in the groin as often as I have. http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/grinser/grinning-smiley-035.gif

When God created us He gave us the power to freely choose. Choice brings consequences both in the temporal and the spiritual world.

There are things that happen in our lives which seem to be beyond our control e.g. disease, droughts floods etc but I believe that all things happen with the consent of God who knows the reason for all things. Think of our life as God's masterpiece, a masterpiece we can only see one tiny corner of but God sees the whole picture.

As a Catholic I offer to God my crosses and reversals. They are never wasted. The merit I gain from bearing them patiently can help the souls in Purgatory.

I think you would have to be mentally unbalanced to not believe you have Free Will. Even if you don't actually have any. If you didn't think you had Free Will then you would be able to do anything at all, Rape, Murder, Vote for Bush and believe you had no choice in the matter. That's called Insanity.

Well, there may be a simple answer to all this but i don't feel that's my place in it ....
I appreciate what Einstein reportedly said about whether God had a choice in the creation of (the) universe ....
I find that as my faculty is capable of understanding or aligning my thoughts, assumptions, predictions and appreciations, more and more that is, i find more appreciation on one or more levels of my sense of judgment about my place in "the universe" .... i also have undertaken study in varying philosophies and logic and have also seriously considered solipsism, which i have as of yet not entirely discounted.
As my judgment becomes more synchronous with my faculty and maybe or maybe not others' as well, i find that there SEEMS to be more of a structure about things that kind of dissuades me from chaotic principles ....
however i also find a strong (instinctive) urge to do things that don't necessarily have the predication of fulfillment of the senses above and therefore SEEMS to me to be more of a chaotic but necessary element towards my own spiritual/psychological (evolution) through what my faculty may or may not have a good grasp on right now.
I find it curious though that if this thread is somehow pertinent to a god-driven philosophy of some kind, why any and many god(s) and their supposed transcriptions seem to have significant revelry towards the rather fickle and immature aspects of human (?) psychological turmoil and emotional instability. I think the book of Job really puts that into perspective for myself. How impetuous.
But then i may just be able to look upon things like that as evidence to overcome. Besides, anything else i take true to my heart without experience anyway is bearing false witness!
Fnord

mentally unbalanced

Well that's me all over, baby! :D