NationStates Jolt Archive


The New World Order

Boer South Africa
23-12-2004, 22:38
These are the people who brought political correctness, anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action to the united states of America: http://natvan.com/who-rules-america/index.html

Also if your an American please take a look at the back of a one doller bill. Notice to the right there is an eagle with a set of stars located right on top of it, trace all the mini-stars together and it will indeed form the jewish star of david. Now take a look at the left and you will see a pyramid(which historicly the jews had built) there is a latin writing located right underneath the pyramid. It says "Novus Ordo Seclorum" meaning the New World Order. However after much research anyone would conclude that instead of New World Order they should have called it Jew World Order(this title would be much more accurate)

Oh and to the zionists: Flame away I dont give a crap.
Drunk commies
23-12-2004, 22:46
Damn, I thought this thread would be about that Ministry song, NWO.
Corneliu
23-12-2004, 22:52
Screw the New World Order. Its changed now thanks to 9/11! Frankly, I go back to what Patton stated. "Britain and the US are destined to rule the world."

As for Political Correctness, the people are fighting it now. Affirmative Action is slowly being dismember and good ridence.

"IN GOD WE TRUST"

"GOD BLESS AMERICA"

"ONE NATION UNDER GOD"
Sel Appa
23-12-2004, 23:01
You, sir, are and idiot!
Drunk commies
23-12-2004, 23:02
You, sir, are and idiot!
Who, me? It was an honest mistake.
Defensor Fidei
23-12-2004, 23:04
True, but Novus Ordo Seclorum means "New Order of the Ages."
Advent Nebula
23-12-2004, 23:06
I thought this thread was going to be about Majestic 12.
Robbopolis
23-12-2004, 23:16
Pardon my cynicism, but I have serious problems with conspiracy theories of any kind. And if the Jews run the media, more power to them. I don't have any problems with that. Although I have serious problems with plently of the things on TV these days. And I think Ted Turner is worse than most fo the other guys.
Roach-Busters
23-12-2004, 23:21
The New World Order is not a 'Zionist conspiracy.' That's a left-wing myth put forth by the conspirators to create friction, racism, and in-fighting between people in order to kill off all the opposition. Their puppet, Hitler, is the most famous example of that.
Defensor Fidei
23-12-2004, 23:22
The New World Order is not a 'Zionist conspiracy.' That's a left-wing myth put forth by the conspirators to create friction, racism, and in-fighting between people in order to kill off all the opposition. Their puppet, Hitler, is the most famous example of that.
You are somewhat correct. The New World Order is indeed much more than a 'conspiracy.'
Rockness
24-12-2004, 00:35
Damn, I thought this thread would be about that Ministry song, NWO.

That would have been cool.
Andaluciae
24-12-2004, 00:46
These are the people who brought political correctness, anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action to the united states of America: http://natvan.com/who-rules-america/index.html

Also if your an American please take a look at the back of a one doller bill. Notice to the right there is an eagle with a set of stars located right on top of it, trace all the mini-stars together and it will indeed form the jewish star of david. Now take a look at the left and you will see a pyramid(which historicly the jews had built) there is a latin writing located right underneath the pyramid. It says "Novus Ordo Seclorum" meaning the New World Order. However after much research anyone would conclude that instead of New World Order they should have called it Jew World Order(this title would be much more accurate)

Oh and to the zionists: Flame away I dont give a crap.

Your Latin sucks. Novus Ordo Seclorum translates as "New Secular Order."

And your history sucks as well. The Egyptians and Mayans and Cambodians built Pyramids, the big construct of the Jews was the Temple of Solomon, which, was a campus, not a single pyramid.
Iztatepopotla
24-12-2004, 01:59
Damn, I thought this thread would be about that Ministry song, NWO.
That's a great song. I have Psalm 69 but I have been trying to get the version of "Just One Fix" that's around 20 minutes long without success. Do you know where I can find it?

ADD: I don't care who rules the world. Everybody wants to do it and someone will always be at the top. As long as most of us little people can live a more or less normal life, who cares?
Right-Wing America
24-12-2004, 04:46
The New World Order is not a 'Zionist conspiracy.' That's a left-wing myth put forth by the conspirators to create friction, racism, and in-fighting between people in order to kill off all the opposition. Their puppet, Hitler, is the most famous example of that.


If Hitler was the New World Order's puppet then why did he lose the 2nd world war? The NWO's puppets were more likely Roosevelt and Churchill(maybe Stalin too)
Globes R Us
24-12-2004, 05:03
These are the people who brought political correctness, anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action to the united states of America: http://natvan.com/who-rules-america/index.html

Also if your an American please take a look at the back of a one doller bill. Notice to the right there is an eagle with a set of stars located right on top of it, trace all the mini-stars together and it will indeed form the jewish star of david. Now take a look at the left and you will see a pyramid(which historicly the jews had built) there is a latin writing located right underneath the pyramid. It says "Novus Ordo Seclorum" meaning the New World Order. However after much research anyone would conclude that instead of New World Order they should have called it Jew World Order(this title would be much more accurate)

Oh and to the zionists: Flame away I dont give a crap.

I am not a Zionist....okay? I wasted some time reading the link and it is so tired and outdated. Don't you frightened people ever have anything convincing? I already know the answer..........no. Because the only 'evidence' your kind can find is all laughable. It states many correct facts but omits other relevant information which would destroy the whole hate agenda. I'm a Brit and if I take a £ note and fold it in a certain way I can see the Queens arse.........is that a conspiracy? And if you knew anything of world affairs, you'd know that the 'New World Order' if anything, is an Anglo-Saxon thing. Ever heard of Echelon? Ever heard of the annual meetings of powerful people from all over the world, I forget the name, Beiderbeck I think, you use some energy and look it up and see how many Jews attend.
Your whole post is boring, stupid, wrong and is just the latest of a thousand like them we've been bored to death with. You silly, frightened person.
Boer South Africa
24-12-2004, 05:25
I am not a Zionist....okay? I wasted some time reading the link and it is so tired and outdated. Don't you frightened people ever have anything convincing? I already know the answer..........no. Because the only 'evidence' your kind can find is all laughable. It states many correct facts but omits other relevant information which would destroy the whole hate agenda. I'm a Brit and if I take a £ note and fold it in a certain way I can see the Queens arse.........is that a conspiracy? And if you knew anything of world affairs, you'd know that the 'New World Order' if anything, is an Anglo-Saxon thing. Ever heard of Echelon? Ever heard of the annual meetings of powerful people from all over the world, I forget the name, Beiderbeck I think, you use some energy and look it up and see how many Jews attend.
Your whole post is boring, stupid, wrong and is just the latest of a thousand like them we've been bored to death with. You silly, frightened person.

Yes because the new world order consists of Anglo-Saxons bent on restricting and destroying their own race
:rolleyes:
Mextil
24-12-2004, 05:36
umm well i'm sorry but i think the eagle with the statrs has been around a lot longer then jews in america.

Also i belive the jews built a treasure city not the pyramids, do a little reserch. Kufu and Kafre built the pyramids on the giza basin. No were in egyptian history was there a pyramid built by ramses.

If you are going to say that my granfather and graet uncle, and all the other jews controlled this country back even before there was such thing a jewish synagouge in the us you are not thinking.

Also i find it funny your information comes from neonazi like organiztions.
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 05:38
Your Latin sucks. Novus Ordo Seclorum translates as "New Secular Order."

And your history sucks as well. The Egyptians and Mayans and Cambodians built Pyramids, the big construct of the Jews was the Temple of Solomon, which, was a campus, not a single pyramid.

The Pyramids of Egypt where built by Jewish slaves at least some of them.
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 05:40
umm well i'm sorry but i think the eagle with the statrs has been around a lot longer then jews in america.

yep!

Also i belive the jews built a treasure city not the pyramids, do a little reserch. Kufu and Kafre built the pyramids on the giza basin. No were in egyptian history was there a pyramid built by ramses.

Proof Please?

If you are going to say that my granfather and graet uncle, and all the other jews controlled this country back even before there was such thing a jewish synagouge in the us you are not thinking.

I don't think anyone is thinking here! Including me.
Globes R Us
24-12-2004, 05:42
Yes because the new world order consists of Anglo-Saxons bent on restricting and destroying their own race
:rolleyes:

Of course. Point out your stupidities and then you fall back on this other tired, overused excuse. If you think that any 'race' is bent on its own destruction I suggest you see a psychiatrist. People without your hate and fear can see and know what a ludicrous idea that is. One example: The Anglo-Saxons have gone to war to protect their freedoms and way of life a thousand times. You honestly think Bush and Blair illegally invaded Iraq so as to promote Jewish values in the US and Britain? You just make no sense. If you are as afraid of seeing a psychiatrist as you are of Jews and other peoples, just take some time off and think it out for yourself.
Defensor Fidei
24-12-2004, 05:46
The Anglo-Saxon PROTESTANTS have been major supporters of the New World Order, enemies of the White race, and staunch Judaizers for quite some time.
Lunatic Goofballs
24-12-2004, 05:49
The Anglo-Saxon PROTESTANTS have been major supporters of the New World Order, enemies of the White race, and staunch Judaizers for quite some time.

I like you. You're silly. :)
Defensor Fidei
24-12-2004, 05:53
I like you. You're silly. :)
What is the cause of this moronic comment?
Mextil
24-12-2004, 05:54
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/egypt/history/timeline.html
This is an adress to a time line this seperates kufu from ramses by two cultural uphevals

http://www.ancient-egypt.org/history/04_06/index.html
this one if for the old kingdom in which all the pyramids were built in additon it has all the pyramids and there creaters, no ramses. Ramses was from the new kingdom.

there that should do
Right-Wing America
24-12-2004, 05:55
Of course. Point out your stupidities and then you fall back on this other tired, overused excuse. If you think that any 'race' is bent on its own destruction I suggest you see a psychiatrist. People without your hate and fear can see and know what a ludicrous idea that is. One example: The Anglo-Saxons have gone to war to protect their freedoms and way of life a thousand times. You honestly think Bush and Blair illegally invaded Iraq so as to promote Jewish values in the US and Britain? You just make no sense. If you are as afraid of seeing a psychiatrist as you are of Jews and other peoples, just take some time off and think it out for yourself.


I personally think that American and British troops invaded iraq for 2 reasons

1) Oil- building a pipeline underneath the country making it easier for the U.S to extract oil from the middle eastern region(a pipeline that Saddam Hussain was of course vehemently against making fox news brand him "evil" "scum" :rolleyes: )

2) israel- it seems to me that any nation israel finds to be evil then so does its puppet(America) and now the zionist media is focusing on Iran(which is trying to make one atom bomb) and hey while were destroying regimes for having nuclear weapons why not destroy the israeli regime first(they have over 200 weapons of mass destruction, you hear that bush! you zionist whore...) hopefully one day America will stop being israels puppet and innocent anglo-saxons will stop dying for zionist agendas....
Mextil
24-12-2004, 05:57
and hopefully one day you won't be a xenophobe.

Tell me what minorites do you like, or have friends in?
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 05:59
What is the cause of this moronic comment?

He's a lunatic Goofball?
Lunatic Goofballs
24-12-2004, 06:00
What is the cause of this moronic comment?

Partially it is an expression of disdain for your opinion and a veiled attempt to render your sociopathic tendencies irrelevant.

Partially, it's an attempt to deflect an inflammatory subject into a more lighthearted and unoffensive debate.

But mostly it's a moo-cow. :D
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 06:00
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/egypt/history/timeline.html
This is an adress to a time line this seperates kufu from ramses by two cultural uphevals

http://www.ancient-egypt.org/history/04_06/index.html
this one if for the old kingdom in which all the pyramids were built in additon it has all the pyramids and there creaters, no ramses. Ramses was from the new kingdom.

there that should do

However, the Jews where building pyramids for ramses as well as the great cities of Egypt. Read the book of Exidus. Might give you some insight as to what the Jews where doing.
Mextil
24-12-2004, 06:00
As for Protestants being judaizers or whatever, both Calvin and lutheran were antisemetic.
Mextil
24-12-2004, 06:01
I have that is how i speerate Ramses from pyramid building
Right-Wing America
24-12-2004, 06:04
The Anglo-Saxon PROTESTANTS have been major supporters of the New World Order, enemies of the White race, and staunch Judaizers for quite some time.

What in gods name are you talking about??

The very figurehead of the Protestant religon was an extreme anti-semite(Martin Luther would never have supported the NWO seeing as how he looked down upon materialism) besides all protestants had ancestors who were originally catholic so if you were to implant the protestants into the NWO then you would have to include the catholics as well.
Mextil
24-12-2004, 06:04
Also i have just been looking at what the jews had to do in egupt and all i can find is in chaper 1 verse 14. Say nothing about pyramids
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 06:07
I personally think that American and British troops invaded iraq for 2 reasons

Should be good

1) Oil- building a pipeline underneath the country making it easier for the U.S to extract oil from the middle eastern region(a pipeline that Saddam Hussain was of course vehemently against making fox news brand him "evil" "scum" :rolleyes: )

Proof that we did this please? Last time I check this was 100% false though Hussein was an evil scumbag.

2) israel- it seems to me that any nation israel finds to be evil then so does its puppet(America) and now the zionist media is focusing on Iran(which is trying to make one atom bomb) and hey while were destroying regimes for having nuclear weapons why not destroy the israeli regime first(they have over 200 weapons of mass destruction, you hear that bush! you zionist whore...) hopefully one day America will stop being israels puppet and innocent anglo-saxons will stop dying for zionist agendas....

How is Israel evil for defending itself against terrorism? Do we absolutely know for 100% sure that they have nukes? They probably do but is there definitive proof? I would rather have Israel have nukes than Saddam, Komini, or Syria. Israel won't use them unless provoked to use them. As for nukes we have Thousands of them you racist scum. Anyone uses them, we'll use ours. Do you here that Iran, Syria, North Korea (The new Axis of Evil in my mind)!

Now can we past your racist BS and move on?
Mextil
24-12-2004, 06:08
What in gods name are you talking about??

The very figurehead of the Protestant religon was an extreme anti-semite(Martin Luther would never have supported the NWO seeing as how he looked down upon materialism) besides all protestants had ancestors who were originally catholic so if you were to implant the protestants into the NWO then you would have to include the catholics as well.

And well in medival history when everyone was catholic there were several JewBBqs. I can name york england as an example. Also that inquistion thing(very catholic) against jew and muslims
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 06:08
Also i have just been looking at what the jews had to do in egupt and all i can find is in chaper 1 verse 14. Say nothing about pyramids

Well no one really knows who built them so there is still a mystery.
Mextil
24-12-2004, 06:10
1) Oil- building a pipeline underneath the country making it easier for the U.S to extract oil from the middle eastern region(a pipeline that Saddam Hussain was of course vehemently against making fox news brand him "evil" "scum" :rolleyes: )


right were to then
Right-Wing America
24-12-2004, 06:13
Should be good



Proof that we did this please? Last time I check this was 100% false though Hussein was an evil scumbag.



How is Israel evil for defending itself against terrorism? Do we absolutely know for 100% sure that they have nukes? They probably do but is there definitive proof? I would rather have Israel have nukes than Saddam, Komini, or Syria. Israel won't use them unless provoked to use them. As for nukes we have Thousands of them you racist scum. Anyone uses them, we'll use ours. Do you here that Iran, Syria, North Korea (The new Axis of Evil in my mind)!

Now can we past your racist BS and move on?

LOL another zionist drone. Man their doing a good job on brain washing all these idiots....

Iran: against israel
Syria: against israel

Zionist Drone: We must destroy Iran and Syria their the new axis of evil!!!11! they will destroy US with all their nukes if we dont do something about them!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Mextil
24-12-2004, 06:14
Well no one really knows who built them so there is still a mystery.

but the period in which they were built is sperrated from the new kingdomw bye several thousand yrs

Also i forgot verse 11. "And they built for Pharoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses." no pyramid so we have established pyramids not built bye jews
Mextil
24-12-2004, 06:17
LOL another zionist drone. Man their doing a good job on brain washing all these idiots....

Iran: against israel
Syria: against israel

Zionist Drone: We must destroy Iran and Syria their the new axis of evil!!!11! they will destroy US with all their nukes if we dont do something about them!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

well Iran and syria support terroists openly and to me and my strategic mind they will probably supply the weapons to terroists, and well i like manhattan in one peice.

What is funny is that post no logic at all.
Defensor Fidei
24-12-2004, 06:19
What in gods name are you talking about??

The very figurehead of the Protestant religon was an extreme anti-semite(Martin Luther would never have supported the NWO seeing as how he looked down upon materialism) besides all protestants had ancestors who were originally catholic so if you were to implant the protestants into the NWO then you would have to include the catholics as well.
Luther was a judaizer for many years. He looked to ally with the Jews against the Church. When it became apparent after many years that they would befriend nobody but themselves, he turned against them. "Jews and their Lies" is ignored by the modern Lutheran church, but regardless... Most protestantism is based off of Jew John Cauvin (Cohen)'s ideas.
Also:
I) Your "protestants had catholic ancestors" statement makes no sense.
II) Most Anglo-Saxon protestants would NOT be Lutheran...
Rotovia
24-12-2004, 06:20
ah-huh... *paces away slowly*
Mextil
24-12-2004, 06:21
yeah instead they would be english as metion earlier, york englan jewbbq
Right-Wing America
24-12-2004, 06:22
well Iran and syria support terroists openly and to me and my strategic mind they will probably supply the weapons to terroists, and well i like manhattan in one peice.

If America didnt blindly support israel then Iran and Syria wouldnt support terrorists bombing America. Everyone knows that without America israel wouldnt last for 5 years therefore at this point it would be logical for the middle eastern region to hate America so much. However if America didnt support israel then there wouldnt be any tension between the Americans and the Muslims.
Right-Wing America
24-12-2004, 06:29
Luther was a judaizer for many years. He looked to ally with the Jews against the Church. When it became apparent after many years that they would befriend nobody but themselves, he turned against them. "Jews and their Lies" is ignored by the modern Lutheran church, but regardless... Most protestantism is based off of Jew John Cauvin (Cohen)'s ideas.
Also:
I) Your "protestants had catholic ancestors" statement makes no sense.
II) Most Anglo-Saxon protestants would NOT be Lutheran...

Catholisism is based off original judaic(the belief in one god for example) beliefs...and you do know that protestants were catholic before they converted right(they didnt just spring out of nowhere) also if a european wanted to follow a completely non-judaic religon they he/she would have to become a pagen or a polytheist. So being a Catholic your being a hypocrite by saying that protestant beliefs were inspired by a jew...
Defensor Fidei
24-12-2004, 06:32
Catholisism is based off original judaic(the belief in one god for example) beliefs...and you do know that protestants were catholic before they converted right(they didnt just spring out of nowhere) also if a european wanted to follow a completely non-judaic religon they he/she would have to become a pagen or a polytheist. So being a Catholic your being a hypocrite by saying that protestant beliefs were inspired by a jew...
I) Belief in one God is not judaic.
II) They didn't convert- they apostatized.
III) Protestant beliefs are solely Judaic.
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 06:34
LOL another zionist drone. Man their doing a good job on brain washing all these idiots....

I'm not a brainwashed idiot. I'm an American and a tolerant person. I respect all religions. Your the brainwashed fool and a racist to boot.

Iran: against israel
Syria: against israel

Nah really? I thought they were perfect neighbors. Alwell! When one of those nations decide to mess with Israel, Israel will kick their butts has they have always done.

Zionist Drone: We must destroy Iran and Syria their the new axis of evil!!!11! they will destroy US with all their nukes if we dont do something about them!!

They don't have nukes! Iran is close but they don't have them yet. I am not a zionist drone you racist idiot.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Right back at you!
Mextil
24-12-2004, 06:35
well instead of using neonazi's as my source i did my own reserach and reasoning. The fundamentalist islam did really gain speed until US boned afghanistan after the ussr pulled out. Well it is painly obvious that this is the islma taught in syria and iran. so terroists owe US there existance because there pull out of Afghanistan led to the terroists having someone they can rabble rouse into giving them power.
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 06:39
If America didnt blindly support israel then Iran and Syria wouldnt support terrorists bombing America. Everyone knows that without America israel wouldnt last for 5 years therefore at this point it would be logical for the middle eastern region to hate America so much. However if America didnt support israel then there wouldnt be any tension between the Americans and the Muslims.

This has got to be the most rediculas comment from yesterday. Iran and Syria would still hate us regardless of our support of Israel as would the terrorists because they didn't like us in Saudi Arabi. Take a Political Science Course and you'll begin to understand this.
Defensor Fidei
24-12-2004, 06:39
This has got to be the most rediculas comment from yesterday. Iran and Syria would still hate us regardless of our support of Israel as would the terrorists because they didn't like us in Saudi Arabi. Take a Political Science Course and you'll begin to understand this.
It is solely Zion at work.
The Parthians
24-12-2004, 06:40
I) Belief in one God is not judaic.
II) They didn't convert- they apostatized.
III) Protestant beliefs are solely Judaic.


I'll give you two and three, and one as well.

Belief in one god is Zoroastrian.
Mextil
24-12-2004, 06:44
I) Belief in one God is not judaic.
II) They didn't convert- they apostatized.
III) Protestant beliefs are solely Judaic.

I) belief in one god is not Judaic, instead any christan religon is bassed off the belife in a carpenter who was the messiah the jews themselves prophesied of.

II) They didn't convert- they apostized. Well i belive that all religons that claim jesus christ, except for one and it is not catholic apostizied, or who killed Jesus Apostels.

III) Protestant belif are soley judaic, apparently protestants don't belive in jesus
Andaluciae
24-12-2004, 13:42
The Pyramids of Egypt where built by Jewish slaves at least some of them.

The Pyramids were not built during the time of Rameses, by that point the Pharoahs were burying themselves in other places.
Sanctaphrax
24-12-2004, 14:10
Has anyone noticed how everything is either Israel or Jews work?
America invade-Jews fault
Israel defending itself from invasion-Israels fault
The hurricanes in Florida-Jews fault?

Honestly, Jews are tolerant of other races or religions, we don't try and convert people, we don't preach the destruction of other races (like Islam and the West/Jews) and we don't discriminate against people. Whenever racist scumbags need a scapegoat, its the Jews. Next time you try and find a scapegoat, look at yourselves, DF and BSA. You preach hate for Jews and Blacks, the religious among you believe that everyone should become Christian, this is complete BS. And as for your source, its complete crap.
Portu Cale
24-12-2004, 14:38
These are the people who brought political correctness, anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action to the united states of America: http://natvan.com/who-rules-america/index.html

Also if your an American please take a look at the back of a one doller bill. Notice to the right there is an eagle with a set of stars located right on top of it, trace all the mini-stars together and it will indeed form the jewish star of david. Now take a look at the left and you will see a pyramid(which historicly the jews had built) there is a latin writing located right underneath the pyramid. It says "Novus Ordo Seclorum" meaning the New World Order. However after much research anyone would conclude that instead of New World Order they should have called it Jew World Order(this title would be much more accurate)

Oh and to the zionists: Flame away I dont give a crap.

WOA! The NWO gave us all that? Hurray for them! :D
Yammo
24-12-2004, 14:41
I have seen that link before. Now can we have some actual proof if you want to make that statement?
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 16:15
Has anyone noticed how everything is either Israel or Jews work?
America invade-Jews fault
Israel defending itself from invasion-Israels fault
The hurricanes in Florida-Jews fault?

Honestly, Jews are tolerant of other races or religions, we don't try and convert people, we don't preach the destruction of other races (like Islam and the West/Jews) and we don't discriminate against people. Whenever racist scumbags need a scapegoat, its the Jews. Next time you try and find a scapegoat, look at yourselves, DF and BSA. You preach hate for Jews and Blacks, the religious among you believe that everyone should become Christian, this is complete BS. And as for your source, its complete crap.

Thank you Sanctaphrax! I for one tolerate all races. I actually have a jewish friend and we get along just fine. I love learning about other religions and learning new cultures. If you don't take time to learn the culture of the religion or race then you'll be an ignorant person the rest of your life.

Thanks for trying to set the record straight.
Defensor Fidei
24-12-2004, 16:20
Has anyone noticed how everything is either Israel or Jews work?
America invade-Jews fault
Israel defending itself from invasion-Israels fault
The hurricanes in Florida-Jews fault?

Honestly, Jews are tolerant of other races or religions, we don't try and convert people, we don't preach the destruction of other races (like Islam and the West/Jews) and we don't discriminate against people. Whenever racist scumbags need a scapegoat, its the Jews. Next time you try and find a scapegoat, look at yourselves, DF and BSA. You preach hate for Jews and Blacks, the religious among you believe that everyone should become Christian, this is complete BS. And as for your source, its complete crap.
Of course Jews do not want converts- they are an elitist race. All goyim are inferior to the Jews based on their doctrines. To the other goyim: Try walking into a syngogue and converting. See how the Jews really are compared with Sanctaphrax's typical deception. You cannot become a Jew racially.
Sanctaphrax
24-12-2004, 17:45
Thank you Sanctaphrax! I for one tolerate all races. I actually have a jewish friend and we get along just fine. I love learning about other religions and learning new cultures. If you don't take time to learn the culture of the religion or race then you'll be an ignorant person the rest of your life.

Thanks for trying to set the record straight.
No problem, my best friend is Hindu, I have many Christian and Atheist friends, and I can't understand people like DF.
On the subject of DF, where did I say "Jews do not want converts"?
I said "we don't try and convert people", meaning people who join join because they want to, not because they were preached to. When I want to learn about elitists, i'll talk to people like you. Neo-Nazis who believe that people are inferior unless they have blond hair and blue eyes.
Almighty Kerenor
24-12-2004, 17:52
These are the people who brought political correctness, anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action to the united states of America: http://natvan.com/who-rules-america/index.html

Also if your an American please take a look at the back of a one doller bill. Notice to the right there is an eagle with a set of stars located right on top of it, trace all the mini-stars together and it will indeed form the jewish star of david. Now take a look at the left and you will see a pyramid(which historicly the jews had built) there is a latin writing located right underneath the pyramid. It says "Novus Ordo Seclorum" meaning the New World Order. However after much research anyone would conclude that instead of New World Order they should have called it Jew World Order(this title would be much more accurate)

Oh and to the zionists: Flame away I dont give a crap.

Oh crap, you really got us this time!
Now we can't fulfill our evil plan to take over the USA! Damn.
Defensor Fidei
24-12-2004, 17:56
Oh crap, you really got us this time!
Now we can't fulfill our evil plan to take over the USA! Damn.
Israel has already had the USA under its control for quite some time...
Sanctaphrax
24-12-2004, 17:59
Yeah Kerenor, you really need to be filled in on the latest news. We took over the Catholic Church a while back, because this pope is Jewish, and now we took over America. We decided the best way to do this would be taking over the media remember?:rolleyes:
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 18:01
Israel has already had the USA under its control for quite some time...

This is flat out BS! Do you have proof of such statement?
Almighty Kerenor
24-12-2004, 18:04
Israel has already had the USA under its control for quite some time...

Well... D'OH! :P
Almighty Kerenor
24-12-2004, 18:05
Yeah Kerenor, you really need to be filled in on the latest news. We took over the Catholic Church a while back, because this pope is Jewish, and now we took over America. We decided the best way to do this would be taking over the media remember?:rolleyes:

Dammit! that was in a meeting of Zion's Elders I didn't attend!
Sanctaphrax
24-12-2004, 18:08
Dammit! that was in a meeting of Zion's Elders I didn't attend!
I'll pass you the transcripts sometime. We also made some Matzot, using Christian babies blood as we do. These inferior goyim have no idea what they're missing do they;)
Tyrandis
24-12-2004, 18:11
Ok, how the hell do "OMG TEH JOOOOS OWN THE MEDIA" and yet the media's constant ragging on Israel's actions of self-defense against terrorists equate?

Fscking tards. :rolleyes:
Almighty Kerenor
24-12-2004, 18:40
I'll pass you the transcripts sometime. We also made some Matzot, using Christian babies blood as we do. These inferior goyim have no idea what they're missing do they;)

Oh, Christian kids are soooo last Passover!
This year, we're using Muslim kids, their blood tastes 100 times better!
The Norther States
24-12-2004, 18:49
interesting thread goin on here might i recommend a website to go to?

www.infowars.com

thats a good site for exposing the New World Order.

my belief on the whole thing is and i am a protestant christian texan republican conservite but i dont follow what the flock follows so to speak.

Russian president putin will revive the Soviet Union which hes already doing rebuild the army and along with china japan and a few other nations attack and invade the United States but go after israel first. basically Ezekiel 38: and 39. and i think that the election in iraq will spark a civil war and cause a massive war over there and we get beat so bad that the US armed might will be obsolete. which will aid the eastern bloc when the time comes. people think that the tribulation is round th corner it is but things are goin to happen before then.

nice talkin to yall
Sanctaphrax
24-12-2004, 19:03
Oh, Christian kids are soooo last Passover!
This year, we're using Muslim kids, their blood tastes 100 times better!
Hmm, if you don't mind, i'll stick to the tried and tested Christian Virgins blood.
Almighty Kerenor
24-12-2004, 19:05
Hmm, if you don't mind, i'll stick to the tried and tested Christian Virgins blood.

Oh well, as long as you keep stealing thos Christians' money!
The Norther States
24-12-2004, 19:13
Hmm, if you don't mind, i'll stick to the tried and tested Christian Virgins blood.

you know one day all the TRUE chirstians are goin to emerge and totally destroy people like you with extreme prejudice and wont think twice about it cause we will be allowed to destroy the corruption.

"The Lord is a man of war, The Lord is his name." Exodus 15:3
Sanctaphrax
24-12-2004, 19:15
Hmm, if you don't mind, i'll stick to the tried and tested Christian Virgins blood.

you know one day all the TRUE chirstians are goin to emerge and totally destroy people like you with extreme prejudice and wont think twice about it cause we will be allowed to destroy the corruption.

"The Lord is a man of war, The Lord is his name." Exodus 15:3
I'm just guessing here, but you didn't notice the sarcasm right?
Almighty Kerenor
24-12-2004, 19:17
Hmm, if you don't mind, i'll stick to the tried and tested Christian Virgins blood.

you know one day all the TRUE chirstians are goin to emerge and totally destroy people like you with extreme prejudice and wont think twice about it cause we will be allowed to destroy the corruption.

"The Lord is a man of war, The Lord is his name." Exodus 15:3

Grrrr, yes, me-Lord, destroy my corruption!
Arggg.
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 19:19
I'm just guessing here, but you didn't notice the sarcasm right?

I think he missed it Sanctaphrax. I got it which is why I didn't say anything.
The Norther States
24-12-2004, 19:21
i too was being a smart ass too thats what i dont like bout sarcasim it makes people sound like they mean it.

just pulling your chain.............or was i? :mp5:
The Norther States
24-12-2004, 19:24
oh yeah merry christmas and happy new year!
Almighty Kerenor
24-12-2004, 19:24
I think he missed it Sanctaphrax. I got it which is why I didn't say anything.

But you could join the conversation!
Sanctaphrax
24-12-2004, 19:25
oh yeah merry christmas and happy new year!
*sigh*
Ok, i'll humor you. Happy Hanukah.
Almighty Kerenor
24-12-2004, 19:25
All arguement aside, merry christmas all!
Christians and Jews too, people need a reason to celebrate these days.
Sanctaphrax
24-12-2004, 19:34
I don't, i'm still full from Hanukah.
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 19:35
But you could join the conversation!

Yea I could've! LOL!
Corneliu
24-12-2004, 19:37
*sigh*
Ok, i'll humor you. Happy Hanukah.

DId you enjoy your Hanukah?
Sanctaphrax
24-12-2004, 19:51
DId you enjoy your Hanukah?
Very much so, so much good food!
Globes R Us
24-12-2004, 21:16
Many thousands of years ago the Jews were driven from Palestine by the then mighty Egyptians. They had done no wrong, just happened to get on the wrong side of the current superpower (anyone remember Iraq, Vietnam?). So the diaspora occured, the fleeing of Jews to anywhere that would have them. But see, there were ignorant racists then too. And the Jews had one fatal flaw, they were intelligent people. So in almost every country in which they sought sancturay, they were forbidden most work ("we aint having them Jew-boys coming here and taking our jobs"). So they used their brains, unlike the racist scum posting here. They started up banks and other businesses that the locals couldn't do for themselves. And for a while the locals loved it. "Look at the new things and services the Jew-boys have brought us" Eventually of course the locals learned the tricks of the trades themselves and guess what? The Jews were pushed out again "We don't need them Jew-boys telling us how to run businesses". And the weary Jews moved further out into the world, Russia, Britain, America, France, Germany etc. And blow me down with a feather, they were resented in these places too and were forbidden 'normal' work. Jewish brains came to the fore again and they, again, moved into areas that the locals were either ignorant of or poor at. Banking, manufacturing items that the locals thought wouldn't make a profit, supermarkets and because the west was so backward and provincial at entertainment, especially the theartre and cinema. They built those into muti-million £$ businesses. Of course, anyone with a brain and not blinded with arrogant fear reading this knows what's next. In the 'enightened' west anti-semitism reared its ugly old head again and we have the shit that the hatists pour out here. Basically there are several factors that drive anti-semitism. Fear, ignorance of a different culture and good old plain envy. Why do you think that the vast majority (not all, just the majority) of anti-semites are rednecks and the poorly educated? Because they listen to the few educated hatists who cannot stand to see Jews do as well or bettter in their businesses, worse, their lack of brain power allows them to believe every lie and half-lie and all the twisted facts. The utterly stupid comments about the secret signs on the American dollar illustrate that beautifully. So to the hatists I say this. You are wrong, you are sheep led by jealous rich people and you're fucking stupid. Oh, and most Jews are more intelligent than you too.
Krackonis
24-12-2004, 21:58
Perhaps what you are confusing is the idea that the NWO has anything to do with Jews, besides perhaps Jews are in them. It's simply money.

Hitler was the Corporations best friend, but they failed at the 1933 Assassination of Roosevelt and the subsequent leader they hired to march on Washington with 500,000 men ratted them out (Cool video...) But they realised that Roosevelt would never let them try again. Churchill almost singlehandedly raised awareness of the coming Fascist threat, and they began listening after Poland.
Stalin was a bastard, but not nescessarily YET.

So.. into the modern age we see the same people at it again. It blows my friggin mind that Americans can even see that they are being bombed by their own fucking government. Hell I watch the news on one channel then I flip the station and see the "cleaned up" version just a hour later.

Tim McVey planted 3 bombs in the Oklahoma building, they were disarmed live on TV reported by local journalists, the Bomb squad was prepped prior to even getting a call, then, drove a Ryder truck with a "john doe #1" got out walked away and blew it up... Then suddenly, no other bombs were there but that Truck bomb, according to the "official story".

Pentagon attack, IT WAS A CRUISE MISSILE. A 767 making a small hole through 5 reinforced concrete walls but "vaporizing" after that attack? Bullshit.

Twin Tower #1, The FBI were caught of tape setting it up, saw it with my own eyes, all over the international news... US news? No coverage, just a "terrorist attack"

Twin Towers 911 and Building 7. Reseach conducted in Skydome in Toronto has over 30 hours of footage showing the bombs strapped to the bottom of the plane and demolitions downstairs.

Now the police and every other agency is being trained by the military to go after "domestic terrorists" like, "Home schoolers" and "Civil Libertarians".

Welcome to the new fascist state, America!


Hey, but there are already American's going to Canada and claiming refugee status. So, you might be lucky and get in before your rounded into FEMA camps. Well not all of you... I mean, if you drive an SUV and are white and christian/jewish, you will likely be safe for a while.
Krackonis
24-12-2004, 22:13
interesting thread goin on here might i recommend a website to go to?

www.infowars.com

thats a good site for exposing the New World Order.

my belief on the whole thing is and i am a protestant christian texan republican conservite but i dont follow what the flock follows so to speak.

Russian president putin will revive the Soviet Union which hes already doing rebuild the army and along with china japan and a few other nations attack and invade the United States but go after israel first. basically Ezekiel 38: and 39. and i think that the election in iraq will spark a civil war and cause a massive war over there and we get beat so bad that the US armed might will be obsolete. which will aid the eastern bloc when the time comes. people think that the tribulation is round th corner it is but things are goin to happen before then.

nice talkin to yall

I don't really think it's time to get all premonisious, however, Putin and Mao certainly have no love for the new Fascist America... It's only a matter of time before they do have to do something to stop total corporate control from spreading outside Americas borders. It's a completely destabilizing considtion to their power. They will fight it. Corporations used to be run under charter and if you left your charter your were dissolved, but after the ruling that corporations were people, then all that went out the window and they have been growing and raping and pilliaging ever since. And since they are the media, well of course everything is pretty and picture perfect in the world they show. Well... It ain't and if the American people don't stand up and fight the fascists in their government and corporations, then Countries on the outside certainly WILL.

We are so close to an all out civil world war (Labour vs Corporate - Liberal vs Conservate - Poor vs Rich - Democrat vs Republican) and the fascists are pushing it further. What blows me away is that the rich who run Washington don't give a shit who gets elected. They have been there for ever.

Know whats even more scarey... Bin Ladens father likely has more of a say on US policy than ALL of COLLECTIVE AMERICANS have. If you think thats the way things should be, then by all means, please, continue along your little dream...

While we are at it, have you considered your new national slogan? It was "Give us your tired your poor your hungry...." It should be "We enslave our tired and poor and starve our hungry, treat our rich like walking Gods with their huge egos and fat wallets... And bomb everyone else..."
Right-Wing America
24-12-2004, 22:31
Many thousands of years ago the Jews were driven from Palestine by the then mighty Egyptians. They had done no wrong, just happened to get on the wrong side of the current superpower (anyone remember Iraq, Vietnam?). So the diaspora occured, the fleeing of Jews to anywhere that would have them. But see, there were ignorant racists then too. And the Jews had one fatal flaw, they were intelligent people. So in almost every country in which they sought sancturay, they were forbidden most work ("we aint having them Jew-boys coming here and taking our jobs"). So they used their brains, unlike the racist scum posting here. They started up banks and other businesses that the locals couldn't do for themselves. And for a while the locals loved it. "Look at the new things and services the Jew-boys have brought us" Eventually of course the locals learned the tricks of the trades themselves and guess what? The Jews were pushed out again "We don't need them Jew-boys telling us how to run businesses". And the weary Jews moved further out into the world, Russia, Britain, America, France, Germany etc. And blow me down with a feather, they were resented in these places too and were forbidden 'normal' work. Jewish brains came to the fore again and they, again, moved into areas that the locals were either ignorant of or poor at. Banking, manufacturing items that the locals thought wouldn't make a profit, supermarkets and because the west was so backward and provincial at entertainment, especially the theartre and cinema. They built those into muti-million £$ businesses. Of course, anyone with a brain and not blinded with arrogant fear reading this knows what's next. In the 'enightened' west anti-semitism reared its ugly old head again and we have the shit that the hatists pour out here. Basically there are several factors that drive anti-semitism. Fear, ignorance of a different culture and good old plain envy. Why do you think that the vast majority (not all, just the majority) of anti-semites are rednecks and the poorly educated? Because they listen to the few educated hatists who cannot stand to see Jews do as well or bettter in their businesses, worse, their lack of brain power allows them to believe every lie and half-lie and all the twisted facts. The utterly stupid comments about the secret signs on the American dollar illustrate that beautifully. So to the hatists I say this. You are wrong, you are sheep led by jealous rich people and you're fucking stupid. Oh, and most Jews are more intelligent than you too.

"You are wrong, you are sheep led by jealous rich people and you're fucking stupid"

Now your confusing anti-zionists with zionist drones
Neo-Anarchists
24-12-2004, 22:33
Catholisism is based off original judaic(the belief in one god for example) beliefs...and you do know that protestants were catholic before they converted right(they didnt just spring out of nowhere) also if a european wanted to follow a completely non-judaic religon they he/she would have to become a pagen or a polytheist. So being a Catholic your being a hypocrite by saying that protestant beliefs were inspired by a jew...

/me puts on my preacher hat

No, of course, Catholicism came first! And the Bible came first in English, not Aramaic or Latin. And all other forms of Christianity are HERESEY!1!!shift+1!!eleven!!1! Oh yeah, and every word of the Bible is literally true, except when I don't want it to be. Then it's not anymore.

/me puts on normal hat

:rolleyes:
Kahta
24-12-2004, 22:56
These are the people who brought political correctness, anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action to the united states of America: http://natvan.com/who-rules-america/index.html

Also if your an American please take a look at the back of a one doller bill. Notice to the right there is an eagle with a set of stars located right on top of it, trace all the mini-stars together and it will indeed form the jewish star of david. Now take a look at the left and you will see a pyramid(which historicly the jews had built) there is a latin writing located right underneath the pyramid. It says "Novus Ordo Seclorum" meaning the New World Order. However after much research anyone would conclude that instead of New World Order they should have called it Jew World Order(this title would be much more accurate)

Oh and to the zionists: Flame away I dont give a crap.


You idiot... You make the people that are opposed to the NWO look like chrisitan, white supremacist nuts...
Ziggonia
25-12-2004, 02:09
Originally posted by Kahta

You idiot... You make the people that are opposed to the NWO look like chrisitan, white supremacist nuts...

Well if the shoe fits...

Seriously though, I don't see why Socialism would be a bad thing if it was the system of a world government, since Socialism tends to fail because of a lack of funding and resources. Conquer the U.S. and Africa- no problem!
Kahta
25-12-2004, 04:46
Originally posted by Kahta

You idiot... You make the people that are opposed to the NWO look like chrisitan, white supremacist nuts...

Well if the shoe fits...

Seriously though, I don't see why Socialism would be a bad thing if it was the system of a world government, since Socialism tends to fail because of a lack of funding and resources. Conquer the U.S. and Africa- no problem!


I'm anti-NWO, and I'm christian, but not a white supremacist. I believe in superior cultures.
Jewmany
25-12-2004, 05:12
JOIN THE JWO (Jew World Order) TODAY! See the "World Zionist Conspiracy Organization" Thread for details.

Hi Right-Wing America, or should I say, "Mr. I hate Jews because some people in my area are Jewish and they're mean to me, so I hate all Jews because of that." Still creating false premises and logical fallacies?
Globes R Us
26-12-2004, 03:36
JOIN THE JWO (Jew World Order) TODAY! See the "World Zionist Conspiracy Organization" Thread for details.

Hi Right-Wing America, or should I say, "Mr. I hate Jews because some people in my area are Jewish and they're mean to me, so I hate all Jews because of that." Still creating false premises and logical fallacies?


God called the Jews his chosen people. Even an agnostic must wonder if that's not true. What other 'race' has been persecuted so chronicaly and so acutely?
Smeagol-Gollum
26-12-2004, 04:11
I would have imagined that someone with a title of "Boer South Africa" may have had some inkling of the fact that states built on racism eventually collapse, whether from internal or external pressures. Quite simply, racism is inefficient.

If any of the ludicrous racist theories had any validity, surely history would have been kinder to the few pathetic examples.

Find me an example of a successful racist society - there is no such thing.
Stansburg
26-12-2004, 06:13
I would have imagined that someone with a title of "Boer South Africa" may have had some inkling of the fact that states built on racism eventually collapse, whether from internal or external pressures. Quite simply, racism is inefficient.

If any of the ludicrous racist theories had any validity, surely history would have been kinder to the few pathetic examples.

Find me an example of a successful racist society - there is no such thing.

America: Read about Americans owning black slaves and killing off the native american races.

Rome: The Empire denounced most races and kept many people as slaves(in rome 2/3 pf the population consisted of slaves.

Spanish Empire: Their soldiers virtually eradicated the entire aztec empire.

Great Britain: Too many wrongdoings to list.

Stalinist Russia: Killed off soviets with turkish roots and other undesirables. Attempted to wipe out the entire eastern european jewish race in 1953(only the sudden death of Stalin prevented this)

So you see racism IS efficient it just matters WHO your racist against.

Generally if your racist against the jews then your country will get the shit blown out of it(with the exception of the USSR, if any military action was done it would have lead to nuclear armageddon..so they just assainated Stalin instead). On the other hand if your racist against darker colored races and muslims then everythings ok.
Globes R Us
26-12-2004, 06:45
Q. America: Read about Americans owning black slaves and killing off the native american races.
A. All Eropeans then were racist, they believed that non whites just had to be inferior. Blacks were viwed as no more worth than the apes. But Europeans matured and came to realise (very late) that apart from colour and a few insignificant features, non whites are no different from tham. As for American Indians, the Brits and later the Americans simply allowed the racism of the time and plain greed to grab their lands and if that meant killing them, so what?

Q.
Rome: The Empire denounced most races and kept many people as slaves(in rome 2/3 pf the population consisted of slaves.
A. Well the Romas were even less advanced in their regard for non Romans than the later Europeans. However, any man form any country would usually become a full Roman citizen if he fought for the Empire. So even they had their own ethical code toward non Romans.

Q.Spanish Empire: Their soldiers virtually eradicated the entire aztec empire.
A. No question. They were entirely racist and brutal.

Q. Great Britain: Too many wrongdoings to list.
A. I assume you mean the British Empire. Again, they thought that their burden was to conquer the 'less civilised' worldand use the peoples as workers. But they paid (badly) the workers and that Empire is acknowledged to be the least worst with regard to its treatment of its colonials. And don't forget, the British took over the black slave trade from the Arabs and virtually industrialised it. But they too matured. With massive pressure from the British people themselves, the Brits ended the slave trade. Even to stopping American clippers and releasing the slaves.

Q.
Stalinist Russia: Killed off soviets with turkish roots and other undesirables. Attempted to wipe out the entire eastern european jewish race in 1953(only the sudden death of Stalin prevented this).
A. You said it yourself. Stalinist Russia. Stalin was an unfeeling psychopath and didn't mind how many Turks, Jews, Germans or Russians had to die for his own ends.
Defensor Fidei
26-12-2004, 06:51
Q. America: Read about Americans owning black slaves and killing off the native american races.
A. All Eropeans then were racist, they believed that non whites just had to be inferior. Blacks were viwed as no more worth than the apes. But Europeans matured and came to realise (very late) that apart from colour and a few insignificant features, non whites are no different from tham. As for American Indians, the Brits and later the Americans simply allowed the racism of the time and plain greed to grab their lands and if that meant killing them, so what?
Matured? More like enslaved by the wretched Jew.

Q.
Rome: The Empire denounced most races and kept many people as slaves(in rome 2/3 pf the population consisted of slaves.
A. Well the Romas were even less advanced in their regard for non Romans than the later Europeans. However, any man form any country would usually become a full Roman citizen if he fought for the Empire. So even they had their own ethical code toward non Romans.
No, they were far ahead of the modern-day ZOG west. No multicult crap there.

Q.Spanish Empire: Their soldiers virtually eradicated the entire aztec empire.
A. No question. They were entirely racist and brutal.
They bring culture and freedom from a violent blood cult and this is your synopsis?

Q. Great Britain: Too many wrongdoings to list.
A. I assume you mean the British Empire. Again, they thought that their burden was to conquer the 'less civilised' worldand use the peoples as workers. But they paid (badly) the workers and that Empire is acknowledged to be the least worst with regard to its treatment of its colonials. And don't forget, the British took over the black slave trade from the Arabs and virtually industrialised it. But they too matured. With massive pressure from the British people themselves, the Brits ended the slave trade. Even to stopping American clippers and releasing the slaves.
More like judaized, not matured.

Q.
Stalinist Russia: Killed off soviets with turkish roots and other undesirables. Attempted to wipe out the entire eastern european jewish race in 1953(only the sudden death of Stalin prevented this).
A. You said it yourself. Stalinist Russia. Stalin was an unfeeling psychopath and didn't mind how many Turks, Jews, Germans or Russians had to die for his own ends.
Fabrications- The Jews controlled the Judeo-Bolshevik state since its inception.
Sanctaphrax
26-12-2004, 07:11
DF, are you saying we own America, Russia, Britain and Israel? *mind fills with possibilities* But seriously, even someone obviously as.... special as you can't think we own Russia Britain America and Israel?
Globes R Us
26-12-2004, 07:14
Oh well I tried facts but I should have known I was dealing with a cum-brained, brain washed twat. Fuck off you frightened idiot.
Defensor Fidei
26-12-2004, 07:15
DF, are you saying we own America, Russia, Britain and Israel? *mind fills with possibilities* But seriously, even someone obviously as.... special as you can't think we own Russia Britain America and Israel?
You don't own the countries themselves, which shall always remain free in spirit. You do own the banks and corporations, and the media, as well as the governments, which you use altogether to corrupt and delude new generations with your filth to serve Zion.
Iztatepopotla
26-12-2004, 07:24
You don't own the countries themselves, which shall always remain free in spirit. You do own the banks and corporations, and the media, as well as the governments, which you use altogether to corrupt and delude new generations with your filth to serve Zion.
So? Serve Zion, serve Washington, serve the Vatican... what's the difference? Why should us non-jews care?