NationStates Jolt Archive


Is Christmas really under attack in the US?

Incertonia
23-12-2004, 21:22
Simple answer: No. (http://www.campaigndesk.org/archives/001200.asp)

From the Columbia Journalism Review, an academic and nonpartisan group dedicated to looking at the failures of our press corps:
But wade through the wall-to-wall coverage of the story, and it becomes apparent that there are only a handful of examples -- three, to be exact -- being recycled in article after article. Many of these pieces use the same incidents in almost the same way. Some even hit for the cycle, as USA Today did today, referencing all three stories in one shot.

The first heavily cited anecdote comes from New Jersey's South Orange-Maplewood school district's decision to ban Christmas carols at school holiday concerts. That story, egged on by conservative opinion columnists, has seen ink in the New York Post, the Washington Times, Daily [UK] Telegraph, Newsday, Mississippi's Sun Herald, and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, just to name a few.

Similarly, at least 27 mainstream newspapers have reported on Macy's owner Federated Department Stores' rule forbidding its outlets from using the phrase "Merry Christmas." Trouble is, the rule doesn't exist. According to the company's Web site, its stores have "no policy with regard to the use of specific references to Christmas ... This includes using the phrase Merry Christmas if they believe it is appropriate to do so." But fact never stopped the echo chamber, and in this case reporters continue to parrot Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly, transcribing the complaints of an anti-Macy's group called the "Committee to Save Merry Christmas," often with no rebuttal from the store itself.

The third anecdote, cited in roughly 25 papers, revolves around the righteous indignation caused by the City of Denver when it denied a local church's application to have a float in the city's holiday parade -- although the city notes that it hasn't allowed religious or politically themed floats in over a decade.

When not flogging the same three stories -- two of which are essentially false -- to create the appearance of a genuine national trend, the media is busy interviewing the same outraged representatives of a few conservative family groups trying to put the Christ back in Christmas. The Alliance Defense Fund, for example, has been cited in numerous stories in the past week, as has the Rutherford Institute, another conservative group.

If the Alliance Defense Fund sounds familiar, it's because they do this kind of stuff all the time. They're currently fighting the California lawsuit over same-sex marriage, and were instrumental in the bogus story about the Cupertino teacher who was being "persecuted" for proselytizing to his elementary school students. They're also fighting a case in Neosho County, Missouri over whether or not the Bible can be a part of a school's elementary and middle school accelerated reading program.

Of course, if you listen to Bill O'Reilley, you'd think that peole were getting arrested for saying Merry Christmas, but as usual for Mr. O'Reilley, the truth lies somewhere very, very far away from whatever is coming out of his mouth.
Dobbs Town
23-12-2004, 21:24
Sorry, the title of the thread conjured up images of Santa and his elves holed up in a siege at the North Pole...

LOL
Chess Squares
23-12-2004, 21:26
*pauses beating santa with a bat*
christmas under attack? nooo..
*continues beating*
Bearded
23-12-2004, 21:27
Fuck Christmas
Fuck You Too
Dobbs Town
23-12-2004, 21:29
Fuck Christmas
Fuck You Too

Fuck who? It sounds like you're scripting a bipolar discussion thread, between you and your inner Christmas.

Happy Festive Season...everybody!
BLARGistania
23-12-2004, 21:29
Christmas is not under attack. Those that think Christmas has gone too far are under attack by people like Bill O'Reilly. (what a bastard)
Incertonia
23-12-2004, 21:34
Every time I do one of these threads--and I do a number of them--I muse about the possibility that someone who still believes in the "liberal media" crap will start to realize just how big a load it is. I know I'm dreaming, seeing as I'm going up against an industry dedicated to pushing the liberal media meme, and that has been doing just that for the last thirty years, but I still do it.
Gnostikos
23-12-2004, 22:25
I don't think liberals are attacking Christmas. I think that the modern American population (I don't know about other countries) has taken care of the commercialising and moral destruction of Yule. And I think that's really lamentable, because even though I'm agnostic, I think that what Christmas was supposed to represent was actually beneficial. I think that people should be generous to everyone all year round, but I'll take what I can get. Now it's jsut finding the right presents for people...and it just seems so materialistic to me. And that makes me sad...
Forumwalker
23-12-2004, 22:27
Sorry, the title of the thread conjured up images of Santa and his elves holed up in a siege at the North Pole...

LOL

haha

Every time I do one of these threads--and I do a number of them--I muse about the possibility that someone who still believes in the "liberal media" crap will start to realize just how big a load it is. I know I'm dreaming, seeing as I'm going up against an industry dedicated to pushing the liberal media meme, and that has been doing just that for the last thirty years, but I still do it.

Fight on brother! We need people liek you to keep fighting the good fight. Then maybe someday people will realize the left doesn't have majority control over the media. Even if the majority of journalists are liberal, there are no facts to base the idea that they are using this power to push an agenda.
Defensor Fidei
23-12-2004, 22:28
Anti-Christian communists like O'Reilly ought to know that they too will punished for their lies.
When Christmas is not officially celebrated in public schools and institutions, we know Satan's hand is at work.
Equus
23-12-2004, 22:31
Anti-Christian communists like O'Reilly ought to know that they too will punished for their lies.
When Christmas is not officially celebrated in public schools and institutions, we know Satan's hand is at work. (emphasis mine)

I can't quite believe what I just read. Are you really saying that Bill O'Reilly, right-wing mediaman extraordinaire is a communist?

I must be hallucinating.
Areyoukiddingme
23-12-2004, 22:37
Seasonal Displays looted and vandalized (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17659-2004Dec21.html?nav=rss_nation)

French Teens mug Santa! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4117383.stm)

Boy in a Santa suit asked to quit dance, even the secular displays are attacked (http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/hampton/12212004/news/55149.htm)

Thats just the tip of the iceberg.
Chizzilla
23-12-2004, 22:39
If it isn't, it should be.


DOWN WITH THE OLD REGIME!!
Defensor Fidei
23-12-2004, 22:41
(emphasis mine)

I can't quite believe what I just read. Are you really saying that Bill O'Reilly, right-wing mediaman extraordinaire is a communist?

I must be hallucinating.
O'Reilly is a left-wing Zionist extremist and servant of El Presidente.
Of course he works for the establishment of total communism through his "Factor" television program. He despises Christianity in favor of atheistic communism.
Forumwalker
23-12-2004, 22:45
THEY ARE TRYING TO DESTROY FESTIVUS!WE MUST RISE UP AND SAVE THE GREAT HOLIDAY THAT IS FESTIVUS!

A FESTIVUS FOR THE REST OF US!!!
Equus
23-12-2004, 22:48
O'Reilly is a left-wing Zionist extremist and servant of El Presidente.
Of course he works for the establishment of total communism through his "Factor" television program. He despises Christianity in favor of atheistic communism.

Is Defensor Fidei for real, or does he just like weirding everyone out?
Defensor Fidei
23-12-2004, 22:54
Is Defensor Fidei for real, or does he just like weirding everyone out?
"Fox News" has supported the PATRIOT act as well...
Upitatanium
24-12-2004, 00:10
"Fox News" has supported the PATRIOT act as well...

Fidei, for the first time since I've you've started appearing on this board you have said something that is intruiging to me.

Please...I am asking you very nicely...please explain IN FULL...take as much space and time as you want...and please explain why O'Reilly and his ilk are communists/Zionists.

Please. I really am asking you to talk about it at length without a hint of threat or snide in my voice. Detail. I request detail.
Roach-Busters
24-12-2004, 00:13
*pauses beating santa with a bat*
christmas under attack? nooo..
*continues beating*

You're getting coal for Christmas for that, young man! :D