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I know, I just love bashing him so much. I was inspired by his words of idiocy.

He says that if people have money in their pocket they can buy stuff that will create jobs support business and the econemy will go up the end.

Its his thinking that has us in the slumps, when a war goes on you tax people to pay for it, otherwise the defecit goes up, when that happens the value of the dollar goes down, it is more costly to import things, and more expensive to go to other countrys, and do business with them when they have a stronger currency. Than the business' will have to pay higher prices. So basically it is a stalemate. But than you have to consider in future years people will have to pay higher taxes to erase the defecit. (Those things dont erase themselves.) At no point did the econemy ever go up. This is the problem with Bush he has no thought of the long term (and his thought of the present sucks ass too.) This is why we have a trashy econemy, NOT 9/11.

I know, I just love bashing him so much. I was inspired by his words of idiism.

He says that if people have money in their pocket they can buy stuff that will create jobs support business and the econemy will go up the end.

Its his thinking that has us in the slumps, when a war goes on you tax people to pay for it, otherwise the defecit goes up, when that happens the value of the dollar goes down, it is more costly to import things, and more expensive to go to other countrys, and do business with them when they have a stronger currency. Than the business' will have to pay higher prices. So basically it is a stalemate. But than you have to consider in future years people will have to pay higher taxes to erase the defecit. (Those things dont erase themselves.) At no point did the econemy ever go up. This is the problem with Bush he has no thought of the long term (and his thought of the present sucks ass too.) This is why we have a trashy econemy, NOT 9/11.

But the economy has been going up for a while...

But the economy has been going up for a while...
Yes - plus, Bush is not a *true* fiscal conservative; a true fiscal conservative would try to spend LESS and MORE RESPONSIBLY

I was inspired by his words of idiism.

What is "idiism"? I can't even place that word.

But the economy has been going up for a while...
Look at the overall "growth".

But the economy has been going up for a while...
Thanks in no part to Bush. My parents together are in the top 2 or 3% of income earners in America. The $300 we got in the mail didn't do SQUAT for us. It is MUCH better spent properly equipping the troops, funding No Child Left Behind, insuring the uninsured, etc. I absolutely cannot believe that people think that repealing tax cuts on the richest few perscent would HURT the economy. It would at the very least restore the budget and stop the national debt from spiraling.

What is "idiism"? I can't even place that word.
Wondering the same thing … (I am a horrible speller) but its probably a word I just don’t recognize … that happens all the time.

Yes - plus, Bush is not a *true* fiscal conservative; a true fiscal conservative would try to spend LESS and MORE RESPONSIBLY
Instead of tax-and spend, it's borrow-and-spend, which is even worse than the former.

Wondering the same thing … (I am a horrible speller) but its probably a word I just don’t recognize … that happens all the time.

No, I looked it up, it's not a word my dictionary's ever seen. The closest I get is "Idism", which apparently is an artificial international language.

Wondering the same thing … (I am a horrible speller) but its probably a word I just don’t recognize … that happens all the time.
Its funny thought that he just had to mess up on *that* word.

Its common knowledge that a first-year economics student could have devised a better tax-cut package if the intent was to stimulate the economy.

No educated and honest person actually believes that bush's massive handout to the rich was meant to stimulate the economy or make things better for the average american.

And as for our expensive-oil foreign policy, thats bad for middle class americans in a big way.

Even worse for small business owners.

Sorry about the idiism guys, I didnt know what else to write I was trying to combine idiotic, and ism. :rolleyes: So whatever. Sorry to have caused confusion.

Sorry about the idiism guys, I didnt know what else to write I was trying to combine idiotic, and ism. :rolleyes: So whatever. Sorry to have caused confusion.

OH!

I get it.

The word you were looking for was "idiocy", just so you know.

It is MUCH better spent properly equipping the troops, funding No Child Left Behind, insuring the uninsured, etc.
I fully agree, except for the No Child Left Behind part. That act is such a flawed and seriously f**ked up programme. Sure, public education needs more funds, but employing such a ineffective method is ridiculous. No Child Left Behind augments the current quantification and standardisation of students, which needs to be scrapped altogether. I don't know how this'll happen, given the current culture, but we're not even moving in the right direction!

But the economy has been going up for a while...

Okay, but it is still a ton lower than when the guy took office, just because he destroyed it and now it is slightly increasing doesnt mean anything. That just shows what a failure he is.

Sorry about the idiism guys, I didnt know what else to write I was trying to combine idiotic, and ism. :rolleyes: So whatever. Sorry to have caused confusion.
Pseudo-neologisms are certainly not the best way to criticise others' stupidity. You could justify that to mean narcissism or egocentricity, since "idiot" is derived from the Greek idios, one's own or private.

Okay, but it is still a ton lower than when the guy took office, just because he destroyed it and now it is slightly increasing doesnt mean anything. That just shows what a failure he is.

We have had postive growth since 4th qdr 2001. And you can't really compare the economy now to its overinflated state of mid 2000. So no, it does not show what a 'failure' he is.

Bush did not ruin the economy, guys. There were indications of a recession from the last October of Clinton's term. The economy was in a slump a year before Bush's tax cuts went into effect. He's been spending far far far too much, but his tax cuts are the right idea.

Bush did not ruin the economy, guys. There were indications of a recession from the last October of Clinton's term. The economy was in a slump a year before Bush's tax cuts went into effect. He's been spending far far far too much, but his tax cuts are the right idea.


Who but bush are we to blame for bush's ridiculous tax cuts and bush's expensive-oil foreign policy?

Who but bush are we to blame for bush's ridiculous tax cuts and bush's expensive-oil foreign policy?
Apparently the republican asnwer is always blame Clinton

Who but bush are we to blame for bush's ridiculous tax cuts and bush's expensive-oil foreign policy?
You can blame (or laud in my case) Bush all you want for the tax cuts. He caused those.
You can't in all honesty blame him for the recession. As I said, I remember hearing economic analysts discussing the signs the October before Bush was inaugerated. The actual recession hit a year before Bush's tax cuts.

Look at the overall "growth".
You mean the one that started to fall before clinton left office?

You can blame (or laud in my case) Bush all you want for the tax cuts. He caused those.
You can't in all honesty blame him for the recession. As I said, I remember hearing economic analysts discussing the signs the October before Bush was inaugerated. The actual recession hit a year before Bush's tax cuts.

And anyone who takes college level economics knows that the effects of economics are not immediate. The recession from late 2000 on were from events in 98-99.

I think the tax breaks were a good idea, but I think taxes need to be raised and flattened.

You can blame (or laud in my case) Bush all you want for the tax cuts. He caused those.
You can't in all honesty blame him for the recession. As I said, I remember hearing economic analysts discussing the signs the October before Bush was inaugerated. The actual recession hit a year before Bush's tax cuts.


I'm not talking about the last recession.

I'm talking about the next fiscal crisis.

Who but bush are we to blame for bush's ridiculous tax cuts and bush's expensive-oil foreign policy?

Am i wrong.. but havn't most economist now say (including Alan Green Span) that the tax cuts saved our economy.. seeing how clinton left us in recession.. ( not that i really belive its his fault.. but i dont belive the economic boom under him was his fault either)

And the fall of the dollar is largely due to the massive trade deficits.. which again.. were highly progated by the free trade policies first persued by Clinton.

Besides.. the value drop of the dollar is bad for everyone.. not just Americans, Europeans can't afford to have the US dollar drop much more, as well as all of our debitors.

In fact under bush we had the quickest recovery out of a recession in this countries history.

And i'd rather have people spending those 300 dolalrs they get from their tax rebates (which americans always do since they only save .8% of their disposable income) then having that money wasted on half assed socialist programs like welfare. And belive it or not.. our education system was even worse off without no child left behind

Here's a funny idea. Those of us who don't hold PhDs in economics can stop analyzing and criticizing people. Bush isn't making these decisions on his own (well, O.K., given his foreign policy, he might be). If you want to criticize somebody, quote someone who knows what he's talking about or provide your credentials.

Here's a funny idea. Those of us who don't hold PhDs in economics can stop analyzing and criticizing people. Bush isn't making these decisions on his own (well, O.K., given his foreign policy, he might be). If you want to criticize somebody, quote someone who knows what he's talking about or provide your credentials.

The President does nothing but sign (not litterally, but damn close.) Blame the Secretary of the Treasury for economic problems.

Here's a funny idea. Those of us who don't hold PhDs in economics can stop analyzing and criticizing people. Bush isn't making these decisions on his own (well, O.K., given his foreign policy, he might be). If you want to criticize somebody, quote someone who knows what he's talking about or provide your credentials.


You could, if you'd like, go to the website of the New York Times and read all of Paul Krugmans columns from the last four years.

He certainly knows what he's talking about.

In a big, big way.

The President does nothing but sign (not litterally, but damn close.) Blame the Secretary of the Treasury for economic problems.



If you werent aware, generally when one refers to the 'president's economic policy' they mean the policy of the secretary of the treasury and the economic policy he endorses in the legislature.

The president is the Chief Executive and fully and soley responsible for the policy of his administration, to be judged by no other standard.

You could, if you'd like, go to the website of the New York Times and read all of Paul Krugmans columns from the last four years.

He certainly knows what he's talking about.

In a big, big way.
Why don't you go to Bush's economic advisor's website? He certainly knows what he's talking about.

Without using sentence fragments.



I'm not going to do your work for you. If you want to make an argument, then make an argument.

Why not read the Press releases of Allen Greenspan .. u know him.. chairman of the fed.. the most respected economist in the country..

He certainly knows what he is talking about..

is it just me or is this a one sided debate


all who think Bush is a complete moron post Aye

for those of you who dont know who allen greenspan is.. my statement was a pro bush statement ¬_¬

I'm afraid I don't know much on this topic, but did Bush tax Bill Gates an obscene amount and then claim that there was an increase in the economy?

Half-aye. I think that Bush makes himself appear to be an idiot, but I think that's pretty idiotic.

Why not read the Press releases of Allen Greenspan .. u know him.. chairman of the fed.. the most respected economist in the country..

He certainly knows what he is talking about..

Since you didn't quote anybody, I don't know if you're talking to me. I'm not going to read Greenspan's press releases because I'm not trying to make an argument about economics. I'm giving advice, from my own perspective, about how to make an effective argument about economics.

Greenspan has gon public and has said on the record about how he dosn't like the way Bush is handling our current econemy.

the comment was made toward the allegations some people are making that the tax cut itself was an impediment to our economic growth.. I was merely making the point that the leading economist agree the tax cut saved our economy from further recession. Greenspan himself made this point..