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OLYMPIA, Wash. — The head of the Washington state Democratic Party said that recount results from King County give Democrat Christine Gregoire an eight-vote victory in the closest governor's race in state history.

Neither King County nor the Republican party could confirm the hand recount results on Tuesday night. But if the Democrats' analysis is correct, it's a stunning reversal in the gubernatorial race, which has been hotly contested ever since election day.

Republican Dino Rossi won the first count by 261 votes and won a machine recount by 42 votes, out of 2.9 million ballots cast.

"We're confident Christine Gregoire has been elected the governor of the state of Washington," Democratic Chairman Paul Berendt said. "I believe Dino Rossi should concede."


Someone needs to kick Paul Berendt's ass, what an idiot.

Keep up the good work, dimocraps, you'll steal one of them, if you work hard enough.

See...that was your first mistake. If you wanted a lot of responses...you should have insulted conservatives! By insulting liberals and accusing them of something that they regularly accuse conservatives of...they'll just call you stupid.

Next time, be sure to use the phrases "Bush is an idiot" or "I hate Rummy" in your post to assure that you will get the proper "yeah...he is...I hate america" response.

*rolls eyes*

That's actually fairly interesting. But it goes against some people's ideologies and therefore they will not respond to it.

[QUOTE=SalchichoSomeone needs to kick Paul Berendt's ass, what an idiot.

Keep up the good work, dimocraps, you'll steal one of them, if you work hard enough.[/QUOTE]

I suppose you'd find it more equitable if the Democrats simply agreed to concede every electoral race they ran successfully in...sounds to me like the right-wing is quite capable of 'bringing Ukrainian style election fraud' to the U.S. all on their own.

Maybe you'd be more at home in a one-party state like Cuba or Burma.

Demanding a recount is fraud?

Oh, yeah, it's the US - heaven knows you're not known for wanting to recount things to get to who won... :rolleyes:

I know it's been said that Democrats should look at what Republicans do if they want to win elections, but isn't this taking it a bit far?

The three most electorally corrupt places in the US.

1. Chigaco.

2. New York City.

3. The entire state of New Jersey.

All run by, and for, Democrats.

Since the dawn of US politics, the Democrats have gerrymandering, rigging ballots, engaging in voter fraud and intimidation.

So of course, when a Republican honestly wins an election by truning out the vote, they scream voter fraud, since it is the only method they know.

Frankly, democrats complaining about election fraud by the Republicans is like Hitler accusing Churchill of anti semitism.

That's why no-one cares about the democrats claims. Given the 170 year history of democrat corruption, most people just find their pathetic allegations of cheating funny.

( shrug ) And any of this comes as a surprise to you??

The three most electorally corrupt places in the US.

1. Chigaco.

2. New York City.

3. The entire state of New Jersey.

All run by, and for, Democrats.

Since the dawn of US politics, the Democrats have gerrymandering, rigging ballots, engaging in voter fraud and intimidation.

So of course, when a Republican honestly wins an election by truning out the vote, they scream voter fraud, since it is the only method I know.

Frankly, democrats complaining about election fraud by the Republicans is like Hitler accusing Churchill of anti semitism.

That's why no-one cares about the democrats claims. Given the 170 year history of democrat corruption, most people just find their pathetic allegations of cheating funny.

Look man, unless you are from New Jersey, you have no idea. This state really is mostly leftist. If there is anyone doing vote fixing its our beloved (and I use the term loosely) Republican party.

Uhhh, last time I looked, New York City was being run by a republican as was the State of New York.

Hmm. Republicans showing their ad hoc rush to judgement again. Check your facts, PAL. And be careful about using Hitler to construct an argument. THAT is pathetic.

Look man, unless you are from New Jersey, you have no idea. This state really is mostly leftist. If there is anyone doing vote fixing its our beloved (and I use the term loosely) Republican party.

Rubbish. I'm from New York, and I regularly see the crap that goes on in Jersey. When Tammany hall moved to the suburbs, it chose North Jersey.

It's so bad down there the Supreme Court regularly alters the rules to favor the Dems. So don't tell me I don't know.

needs to kick Paul Berendt's ass, what an idiot.

Keep up the good work, dimocraps, you'll steal one of them, if you work hard enough.

I suppose you'd find it more equitable if the Democrats simply agreed to concede every electoral race they ran successfully in...sounds to me like the right-wing is quite capable of 'bringing Ukrainian style election fraud' to the U.S. all on their own.

Maybe you'd be more at home in a one-party state like Cuba or Burma.

There we go...here come the libbies! It's about time. *rolls eyes*

Demanding a recount is fraud?

Oh, yeah, it's the US - heaven knows you're not known for wanting to recount things to get to who won...

...The required anti-US propaganda...

( shrug ) And any of this comes as a surprise to you??

No...for finally I was the one to post second. My insight has been established, and my powers of prediction displayed. I get more and more Christ-like every day...lol

Uhhh, last time I looked, New York City was being run by a republican as was the State of New York.

Hmm. Republicans showing their ad hoc rush to judgement again. Check your facts, PAL.

Actually, "pal" bloomberg was a democrat right until he declared for mayor, as was Guilliani. And both of them were in bed with the poliyical machine of the Democrat party.

Look at the city council. 42 out of 42 seats are held by democrats. In the past thrity years there have been less that eight republican councilors in total. Despite the republican vote regularly being aound 30%. Not to mention the reigstraion fraud etc. that goes on around. here

Maybe you should check your facts before mouthing off.

A recount is perfectly allowable. If you don't like the results, move someplace where they don't allow recounts.

I wonder of Moore has an account on NationStates...

Democrats "leftist"?

Do you even know what leftist means, 'cause the Democrats sure as hell are not leftist.

Democrats "leftist"?

Do you even know what leftist means, 'cause the Democrats sure as hell are not leftist.

Get over yourself. In the American political system, the Democrats are the "leftist" party. It is not in relation to canada, france, or the USSR. It's in relation to America politics.

Get over yourself. In the American political system, the Democrats are the "leftist" party. It is not in relation to canada, france, or the USSR. It's in relation to America politics.

That's pretty terse. Why lash out at others because democracy is working?

That's pretty terse. Why lash out at others because democracy is working?

I wasn't lashing out due to the success of democracy...I'm not even sure if that makes sense in regards to what I said.

I was "lashing out" because the whole "democrats and republicans are the same" argument is getting old, not to mention utterly pathetic.

Someone needs to kick Paul Berendt's ass, what an idiot.

Keep up the good work, dimocraps, you'll steal one of them, if you work hard enough.

I suppose you'd find it more equitable if the Democrats simply agreed to concede every electoral race they ran successfully in...sounds to me like the right-wing is quite capable of 'bringing Ukrainian style election fraud' to the U.S. all on their own.

Maybe you'd be more at home in a one-party state like Cuba or Burma.Oh, you sad little person. I pity you for your ignorance. Trying to alter the results of an election time and time again until you get the results you wish is election fraud, and very typical of the crap going on in the Ukrain. Whats next? Dimocrps poisioning republicans?

I've said it once, I'll say it again, and I will have to keep reminding people of it everywhere I go because, well, people are stupid:

The election is not over just because CNN says so!

Got it? Now ... go take a civics class and find out how elections work. Technically and officially, the Presidential election isn't really over and won't be until early January.

Now stop bitching.

Oh, you sad little person. I pity you for your ignorance. Trying to alter the results of an election time and time again until you get the results you wish is election fraud, and very typical of the crap going on in the Ukrain. Whats next? Dimocrps poisioning republicans?

I pity you the loss of democracy that you desire for you and your fellows.

The main argument here is whether the "Democratic" party is attempting to control the Washington election. The irony of right wing dogmatists accusing "desperate leftists" of election fraud is hilarious (see Bush v. Gore 2000) if not misguided and bad for the country. :headbang:

I pity you the loss of democracy that you desire for you and your fellows.
Contrary to your idiotic, ignorant statement, I do not desire the loss of democracy. What is desire is the loss of dimocrap election fraud and theft.

Contrary to your idiotic, ignorant statement, I do not desire the loss of democracy. What is desire is the loss of dimocrap election fraud and theft.

Yes ... like the way we Democrats came out in overwhelming support of the paper-trailess electronic voting machines ... *coff*

Contrary to your idiotic, ignorant statement, I do not desire the loss of democracy. What is desire is the loss of dimocrap election fraud and theft.
Name the last election that democrats stole. I can name 2004/2000 sop pretty recently republicans could have stole one.

Contrary to your idiotic, ignorant statement, I do not desire the loss of democracy. What is desire is the loss of dimocrap election fraud and theft.

What's that - five or six times reiterating your assertion that I'm idiotic and ignorant?

You think I'm deaf, too? Increase your vocabulary. Please.

Name the last election that democrats stole. I can name 2004/2000 sop pretty recently republicans could have stole one.
Please try to not be a complete waste.

Democrat election theft happens every two years. citing either 2004 or 2000 is pretty good examples of it, except that the attempts at election theft were abject failures in those cases. Thanks for trying, feel free to go fall on your face somewhere else. I don't have the time to try to drag up out of the morass of mental instability.

Get over yourself. In the American political system, the Democrats are the "leftist" party. It is not in relation to canada, france, or the USSR. It's in relation to America politics.
even in american politics, there are smaller parties further to the left than the democrats.

your democrats are centralists, not leftists.

What's that - five or six times reiterating your assertion that I'm idiotic and ignorant?

You think I'm deaf, too? Increase your vocabulary. Please.
So long as you are so pathetic as to follow me from thread to thread spouting your idiotic assertions, I will continue to (rightly) point out that your are an idiot.

Please try to not be a complete waste.

Democrat election theft happens every two years. citing either 2004 or 2000 is pretty good examples of it, except that the attempts at election theft were abject failures in those cases. Thanks for trying, feel free to go fall on your face somewhere else. I don't have the time to try to drag up out of the morass of mental instability.
Can you prove this said theft.
I know much theft in 2000 was made from republicans and succeeded if accurate so I have semi-proof, do you?

Please try to not be a complete waste.

Democrat election theft happens every two years. citing either 2004 or 2000 is pretty good examples of it, except that the attempts at election theft were abject failures in those cases. Thanks for trying, feel free to go fall on your face somewhere else. I don't have the time to try to drag up out of the morass of mental instability.

Cite a specific case already. You started this thread, so put up or shut up.

Um...how is asking that all the votes to be counted stealing an election?

even in american politics, there are smaller parties further to the left than the democrats.

your democrats are centralists, not leftists.
Our democrats are leftists, but keep saying it, you will eventually convince the stupidest 1% that you know what you are talking about.

Democrat election theft happens every two years. citing either 2004 or 2000 is pretty good examples of it, except that the attempts at election theft were abject failures in those cases. Thanks for trying, feel free to go fall on your face somewhere else. I don't have the time to try to drag up out of the morass of mental instability.
... so every time the democrats win it's "theft" it's called democracy, thus, the majority rules. if you don't agree with the majority of voters, that doesn't mean the election was stolen, it means that your candidate was slightly less popular than the other guy.

Our democrats are leftists, but keep saying it, you will eventually convince the stupidest 1% that you know what you are talking about.
no, they're not left leaning.

look at the green party in your own country. they're left. the democrats aren't.

And lost in the midst of all the Republican/Democrat name calling is the simple fact that the person who got the most votes should be governor. If the vote is this close it's well worth the time to make sure they get the count exactly right.

Obviously neither side should concede since it's impossible for them to tell who really won.

I've said it once, I'll say it again, and I will have to keep reminding people of it everywhere I go because, well, people are stupid:

The election is not over just because CNN says so!

Got it? Now ... go take a civics class and find out how elections work. Technically and officially, the Presidential election isn't really over and won't be until early January.

Now stop bitching.

Er... precisely what does the Presidential election have to do with this thread?

Our democrats are leftists, but keep saying it, you will eventually convince the stupidest 1% that you know what you are talking about.

Psst. You're wrong.

Best not to insult other people if you don't have the facts straight to begin with.

Our democrats are leftists, but keep saying it, you will eventually convince the stupidest 1% that you know what you are talking about.

Too lazy to cite a case? Or are you incapable? Stupid?

Hmm, maybe. You certainly like denigrating your fellows and labelling them as being 'stupid'. I think you're just projecting your own poor self-image onto those around you.

Any luck finding a case to cite yet, or are you planning to just take potshots at people today?

also, does anybody else not see how this is in any ways similar to what's going on in the ukraine? they're not poisoning people, they're asking for a recount.

A recount is perfectly allowable. If you don't like the results, move someplace where they don't allow recounts.


The problem in Washington is that they 'found' new ballots during the recounting process. In a properly conducted election ballots must be kept constantly secure in order to be counted, 'finding' ballots is highly suspicious.

also, does anybody else not see how this is in any ways similar to what's going on in the ukraine? they're not poisoning people, they're asking for a recount.
Revote.

Um...how is asking that all the votes to be counted stealing an election?

Well...actually counting the votes will always put the Republicans at a disadvantage. ;)

The main argument here is whether the "Democratic" party is attempting to control the Washington election. The irony of right wing dogmatists accusing "desperate leftists" of election fraud is hilarious (see Bush v. Gore 2000) if not misguided and bad for the country. :headbang:


Properly understood Bush v. Gore was case of Gore attempting to and failing to steal Florida.

Well...actually counting the votes will always put the Republicans at a disadvantage. ;)


Since Republicans do not engage in stuffing ballot boxes and Democrats do.

i haven't read the whole post.....but here in louisiana, democrats drove around in vans promising free meals to prople whi voted for john kerry....if that isn't illegal idk what is.....

Properly understood Bush v. Gore was case of Gore attempting to and failing to steal Florida.
Only because Gore asked for a region recount and not a statewide recount.

But Bush's laywers woundn't allow the statewide one so Gore otped for the region one.

I know that you all support slightly different parties, but does this have to descend into a flame-fest?

Since Republicans do not engage in stuffing ballot boxes ...

Those Pinkos are just too honest, eh?

Only because Gore asked for a region recount and not a statewide recount.

But Bush's laywers woundn't allow the statewide one so Gore otped for the region one.


It went further than that, the Florida Supreme Court invent law in order to allow additional recounts. The one dissent on the FSC second decision was the chief justice who said that they should have learned from the USSC first rebuke and discontinue the practice of a adjusting the pre-existing law.

And that's beside that fact after hearing all of the arguments the trial judge, a democrat, N. Sanders Saul ruled that additional recounting was not warrented.

If Gore's desire was really to obtain a full count and not simply to continue counting in whatever matter was required for him to win, why did he not request recounts in any of the states that were closer: Wisconsin and New Mexico for example? Would be because he won those?

Those Pinkos are just too honest, eh?

Pinkos would be the Democrats, not the Republicans. *hands RPP "The Political Spectrum for Dummies"* Read up. It might be on your reading level.

I give up. Someone people just don't appreciate the irony of Republican majority states being nicknamed "red states".

You know what I dislike to the extreme about America? The fact that their citizens are so caught up in their politics that even the very idea of a recount is an "obvious attempt to steal the election." If you truly won the vote anyway, what the hell is the harm in doing the recount? *shakes head* The arrogance is exceedingly irritating.


And for the record, I'm an American myself, born in Georgia, raised in Ohio, California, and Colorado.

I give up. Someone people just don't appreciate the irony of Republican majority states being nicknamed "red states".

americans don't do irony. they can barely handle sarcasm. its all fart jokes over here man.

I give up. Someone people just don't appreciate the irony of Republican majority states being nicknamed "red states".
I always wondered what was up with that...

Only because Gore asked for a region recount and not a statewide recount.

But Bush's laywers woundn't allow the statewide one so Gore otped for the region one.
Sorry, but that's incorrect. Florida law requires that recounts be asked for in each individual county. There is no such thing as a statewide recount available under Florida law. If Gore had been prepared for the potential for a recount, or had he been able or willing to marshal the resources to request recounts in every county, he might have done it. He surely would have asked for a statewide recount if one were available, but it wasn't.

It's time to put the bullshit statement that Gore didn't want a statewide recount to rest, once and for all.

OLYMPIA, Wash. — The head of the Washington state Democratic Party said that recount results from King County give Democrat Christine Gregoire an eight-vote victory in the closest governor's race in state history.

Neither King County nor the Republican party could confirm the hand recount results on Tuesday night. But if the Democrats' analysis is correct, it's a stunning reversal in the gubernatorial race, which has been hotly contested ever since election day.

Republican Dino Rossi won the first count by 261 votes and won a machine recount by 42 votes, out of 2.9 million ballots cast.

"We're confident Christine Gregoire has been elected the governor of the state of Washington," Democratic Chairman Paul Berendt said. "I believe Dino Rossi should concede."


Someone needs to kick Paul Berendt's ass, what an idiot.

Keep up the good work, dimocraps, you'll steal one of them, if you work hard enough.
I can't believe you are surprised by this. They tried this in 2000 in Florida, changing the standards of vote counting so many times, attempting to get the win for Gore. This is typical Leftist crap.

I can't believe you are surprised by this. They tried this in 2000 in Florida, changing the standards of vote counting so many times, attempting to get the win for Gore. This is typical Leftist crap.

So if the Democrats are so untrustworthy, maybe you should ban them from politics and then you can all be united under one political party, like in Cuba. Only then will you have elections without recounts...

So if the Democrats are so untrustworthy, maybe you should ban them from politics and then you can all be united under one political party, like in Cuba. Only then will you have elections without recounts...
So are you defending the vote fruad perpetrated by the democrats? Or are you looking to make a valid point?

The three most electorally corrupt places in the US.

1. Chicago.

2. New York City.

3. The entire state of New Jersey.

All run by, and for, Democrats.
What about Texas? The biggest story of US electoral corruption since 2000 originates in that strongly Republicon state. I am, of course, referring to Tom DeLay's gerrymandering fun.

I'm not saying that Democrats are not corrupt. I am just pointing out that the omission of Texas from your list looks like more than a mistake.

So are you defending the vote fruad perpetrated by the democrats? Or are you looking to make a valid point?
There's no fucking fraud going on. If there is, I suggest you take your ass to Washington state and prove it. Show the entire world exactly what's going on, if you're so damn smart. While you're at it, why don't you hop on over to Ohio and straighten out their whole fucked up situation too--oh, but I forgot; your guy won there, so everything's copacetic. Give me the biggest fucking break.

So are you defending the vote fruad perpetrated by the democrats? Or are you looking to make a valid point?

I've made a valid point already. Shall I make it again?

Get over yourself. In the American political system, the Democrats are the "leftist" party. It is not in relation to canada, france, or the USSR. It's in relation to America politics.

Our democrats are leftists, but keep saying it, you will eventually convince the stupidest 1% that you know what you are talking about.

Democrats lean to the left, but are more moderate than "left". Currently, democrats are considering whether they should jump to the left, or head back to moderate.

However, the people who are usually heard the most are liberal, so most people assume Democrats are Left-wing. It's kind of like how when people think Republican, then they assume that they're Conservatives. So you two need to calm down and think for a bit. Democrats contain both moderates and liberals. Kinda like "the party for all" thing.

Properly understood Bush v. Gore was case of Gore attempting to and failing to steal Florida.

Gore picked some bad choices for the recount. The ones he picked gave Bush the win, but if the entire state of Florida was recounted, Gore would have won. In the end, Gore should have asked for help.

And finally, listen to yourself. It is a RECOUNT. RECOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not a new vote, or a new election. They're recounting the ballets to make sure that there were no machine errors. It's like double-checking your work. Not like Texas where the lost republicans are demanding a NEW election because he lost.

As someone who lives in the suburbs of Chicago, I wanted to address the claim that Chicago is one of the most electoraly corrupt cities in the United States. While it's true that the dead used to vote Democrat, and they voted for Kennedy, all of that happened under the first Mayor Dailey and hasn't really been the case for any mayor since. I would also point out, while all election fraud is bad, Democratic election fraud involves people voting more than once or voting beyond the grave, Republican election fraud involving keeping people from voting, or ensuring that their votes aren't counted. Case in point, in Florida, the placing of certain individuals on the list of felons who couldn't vote, when they either had already technically been returned to the voter rolls, or else were never a felon in the first place. Interesting coincidence, when there is a criminal named John Smith who shouldn't be voting, and another person named John Smith is kept from voting, that second John Smith always happens to be black. Lastly, I don't know what you mean Ukranian style election fraud, since Yushenko (can't spell his name) won the election, didn't he?

What about Texas? The biggest story of US electoral corruption since 2000 originates in that strongly Republicon state. I am, of course, referring to Tom DeLay's gerrymandering fun.

I'm not saying that Democrats are not corrupt. I am just pointing out that the omission of Texas from your list looks like more than a mistake.

The gerrymandering in Texas was merely a response to the gerrymandering that the Democrats had done earlier to keep themselves in power. Gerrymandering in Texas is NOT something that origionated with the Republicans, they merely did it this round.

Gerrymandering is not right, and I believe that independant councils should divide states into districts, but the Republicans in Texas did nothing that Democrat state governments in the past hadn't done.

What about Texas? The biggest story of US electoral corruption since 2000 originates in that strongly Republicon state. I am, of course, referring to Tom DeLay's gerrymandering fun.

I'm not saying that Democrats are not corrupt. I am just pointing out that the omission of Texas from your list looks like more than a mistake.

Yes, Texas, the were just re-gerrymandering there.

When the Republicans have been doing it for a hundred and fifty years, and the democrats stop, the the dems can complain.

Until then, the dems invented political corruption, so they have no right to complain about it.

Yes, Texas, the were just re-gerrymandering there.

When the Republicans have been doing it for a hundred and fifty years, and the democrats stop, the the dems can complain.

Until then, the dems invented political corruption, so they have no right to complain about it.

Two wrongs don't make it right. If republicans are "moral" as they say they are, then they wouldn't be doing it.

Of course, republicans weren't moral to begin with, which is why they're in trouble now in Texas.

The gerrymandering in Texas was merely a response to the gerrymandering that the Democrats had done earlier to keep themselves in power. Gerrymandering in Texas is NOT something that origionated with the Republicans, they merely did it this round.

Gerrymandering is not right, and I believe that independant councils should divide states into districts, but the Republicans in Texas did nothing that Democrat state governments in the past hadn't done.
Wow--what a crock of shit. Redistricting took place, as it always does, after the census. Tom DeLay wasn't satisfied with the results, so he got his buddies in the state legislature (aided by corporate money, which may land his sorry ass in jail eventually) to redistrict again in 2002. Broke a little precedent there and a few laws--people and corporations lower on the food chain have already rolled on DeLay and his cronies for lower sentences and fines, and it's only a matter of time before DeLay gets hit with an indictment.

Yes, Texas, the were just re-gerrymandering there.


I thought the term was 'salamandering'.

I just think they should have a new vote. Seems to me to be the simplest thing to do.

Two wrongs don't make it right. If republicans are "moral" as they say they are, then they wouldn't be doing it.

Of course, republicans weren't moral to begin with, which is why they're in trouble now in Texas.

No, in party politics two wrongs definitely make a right.

Honestly the Dems, only have themselves to blame. Historically they are more corrupt, yet they spend the majority of their time screaming about republicans cheating.

What happens? Well when the republicans skirt the law, people just shrug because it is expected of them. On the other hand, them dems always look bad, because they are the ones who complain about electoral fraud the most.

Really they should learn to frame issues better.

Er... precisely what does the Presidential election have to do with this thread?

It was an example of how elections work. This thread is about an election, particularly the one for governor of Washington.

If someone can show me in the Washington State Constitution that the gubernatorial race is over after the first iteration of vote count and that there is no recourse for recount after recount, then I will accept that the Dems are grasping at straws.

However, it is my understanding (an understanding that happens to coincide with reality) that in such cases various forms of recounts can be called for by either side and can be continued until a certain date when the State's electorate or the State's Secretary or the State Senate canvasses the vote and declares the winner.

I have never once in my 32 years known that a newspaper or news broadcast determined any election in the US.

Kidding. I hope that that might get some attention to my first post. First thing, some of the other posters put it somewhat better than me in pointing out that calling for recounts is not "election fraud". My main point, though was that the people who accuse Democrats of election fraud really need to get there time periods straight. It's just like Ann Coulter saying that the Democratic party is racist because of the Dixiecrats even though the far majority of them have since joined the Republican Party (damn you Senator Byrd!). I would really like to hear from one of the Conservative posters why it is that when a person is wrongly removed from the voter rolls because they have a similar name as a felon, why that person always seems to be black.

No, in party politics two wrongs definitely make a right.

Honestly the Dems, only have themselves to blame. Historically they are more corrupt, yet they spend the majority of their time screaming about republicans cheating.

What happens? Well when the republicans skirt the law, people just shrug because it is expected of them. On the other hand, them dems always look bad, because they are the ones who complain about electoral fraud the most.

Really they should learn to frame issues better.

Either you stand up and stop it, or you let it continue. It's better if both sides didn't do stupid shit, because both sides piss me off.

There's no fucking fraud going on. If there is, I suggest you take your ass to Washington state and prove it. Show the entire world exactly what's going on, if you're so damn smart. While you're at it, why don't you hop on over to Ohio and straighten out their whole fucked up situation too--oh, but I forgot; your guy won there, so everything's copacetic. Give me the biggest fucking break.
Are all 11,000 of your posts this hate filled?

Are all 11,000 of your posts this hate filled?

Why don't you either read them and find out for yourself, or stop goading Incertonia further and try instead to advance your argument.

Why don't you either read them and find out for yourself, or stop goading Incertonia further and try instead to advance your argument.
He can't advance his own argument because he doesn't have one--never has. I put him on my ignore list long ago because I realized he's never once added anything substantive to a conversation, and it's not worth the subsequent rise in my blood pressure to reply to his retarded attacks.

Besides, whenever those threads about "most respected NSer" pop up, y name will pop up on occasion, but Salchicho's almost never does. Even those with whom I disagree have said that I'm generally fair--that doesn't happen with Salchicho. That's enough for me.

Are all 11,000 of your posts this hate filled?

That's the way to debate the point at hand. Are all 120 of your posts so imbecilic?

Are all 11,000 of your posts this hate filled?



Oh, you sad little person. I pity you for your ignorance. Trying to alter the results of an election time and time again until you get the results you wish is election fraud, and very typical of the crap going on in the Ukrain. Whats next? Dimocrps poisioning republicans?


*stifles laughter at the irony of it all*

He can't advance his own argument because he doesn't have one--never has. I put him on my ignore list long ago because I realized he's never once added anything substantive to a conversation, and it's not worth the subsequent rise in my blood pressure to reply to his retarded attacks.

Besides, whenever those threads about "most respected NSer" pop up, y name will pop up on occasion, but Salchicho's almost never does. Even those with whom I disagree have said that I'm generally fair--that doesn't happen with Salchicho. That's enough for me.
Wow, posts filled with hate, cursing, labeling peopl "retarded". Way to advance the positive vibe around here. This is not the way a civilzed person spams, yet you get away with it time and time again. Pathetic.

Wow, posts filled with hate, cursing, labeling peopl "retarded". Way to advance the positive vibe around here. This is not the way a civilzed person spams, yet you get away with it time and time again. Pathetic.

So retarded is bad, but pathetic is okay?

Wow, posts filled with hate, cursing, labeling peopl "retarded". Way to advance the positive vibe around here. This is not the way a civilzed person spams, yet you get away with it time and time again. Pathetic.
I "get away with it" as you put it because I don't do what you say. Sure, I curse--most people around here do--but my posts are rarely filled with hatred. More often, they're simply dismissive of people who don't actually have anything to say other than to accuse "leftists" of everything from treason to foot odor. If the fact that I suffer fools badly is a detriment to your opinion of me, I suppose I'll have to accept that, but let it be noted here that in all the time I've been on Nationstates, for more than 12,000 posts if you count the ones that were purged on the old server, I've been warned for flaming precisely one time, and I readily admit that I deserved it. What is considered acceptable discourse around here has morphed and evolved over time, and I've morphed with it. Think I'm really flaming? Take it up with a mod--don't bitch to me (or about me) about it.

Ahh, gotta despise the whole Republican vs. Democrat mentality of the Good Ol' US. 2 parties just isn't enough, all it does is polarize the country and distract people from caring about things that actually matter.

So...Gregoire wins by 130 votes.

Republican efforts to recanvass other counties seem to have failed, since those counties already certified their results.

What other legal challenges are left?

So...Gregoire wins by 130 votes.

Republican efforts to recanvass other counties seem to have failed, since those counties already certified their results.

What other legal challenges are left?
I'm sure there will be something.