NationStates Jolt Archive

OK, I am creating this after seeing another "worst" poll (not of nations) and couldn't believe how some people voted. Which of the following do you think is the worst nation (overall, however you want to call it):
Germany
France
China
Iraq
China

OK, I am creating this after seeing another "worst" poll (not of nations) and couldn't believe how some people voted. Which of the following do you think is the worst nation (overall, however you want to call it):
Germany
France
China
Iraq
China


worst nation? sigh....

Worst in what way? The country I'd least like to be in right now?


Oh and in your post you put china twice, and missed out Sudan..

Where is Israel or USA?

Where is the "California" option?

Wait, there must have been a mistake--you left out the US.

That's a pretty biased (and just plain odd) list. France? Germany? WTF

That is a ver-ry short list. None of the above. No countries really count nowadays, except for the United States. Hypothetical war- US wins hands down, or everyone loses due to MAD. Before it was the United States and the Soviet Union, but now it's just one. As such, there is only one choice- the United States. The UN isn't really a nation, but if it was, it would simply be weak.

Feh. It's pretty skewed.

Do you people HONESTLY think the US is the worst nation out there? I can understand if you disagree with some current issues, but really...

Do you people HONESTLY think the US is the worst nation out there? I can understand if you disagree with some current issues, but really...

It is essentially because it is the only nation that matters, and as such is both best and worst. Other organizations on par with it are the UN, OPEC, formerly the Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union, as well as various others. None of those are actually nations. China is still climbing into the role.

That's an excellent point. I hadn't thought of it that way. Thanks for making that clear.

Do you people HONESTLY think the US is the worst nation out there? I can understand if you disagree with some current issues, but really...

On a world power/shitty administration scale, it would be up there..

The US is no where near the last place I'd want to live/go to though.

OK, I am creating this after seeing another "worst" poll (not of nations) and couldn't believe how some people voted. Which of the following do you think is the worst nation (overall, however you want to call it):
Germany
France
China
Iraq
China

Can't you take 10 minutes to think through your idea before posting? What do you mean worst? What time period are your referring to? I presume you are thinking of Germany during the Nazi era. And France? During the French Revolution or now? And is China so bad it has to be listed twice?

How does France have more votes than Iraq? One is disliked by America at the moment, the other is a war zone.

Where is the "California" option?

What's wrong with California?!

We're the only thing that's maintaining our shitty economy and keeping evangelicals from undoing centuries of progressive reform.

Sure, our educational system is a mess (although it's probably more qualified than most), and we're the number one worst state for treatment of homeless people (despite our overwhelming support of welfare), our crime is pretty bad (187!), we're overrun by Catholics who can't just quit fucking (spay or neuter your Catholics), and the rich are the most obnoxious and ignorant people I've ever had to deal with (sooo stupid)...

Aw nuts. Fine.

Dude, you forgot to put Israel and the USA on there. Those would be the real competitors, with the two most disgusting cultures on the planet.

Its extremly pathetic if you think the Us is the worst country. Now, if you dont like the president, thats a whole nother story. I bet you all wouldn't say that if kerry had been elected. The USA is the best country in the world, and if any of you say Canada is better, there socialist views on healthcare dont work. I know, i used to live there. Couldn't get a doctors appointment for years.

Its extremly pathetic if you think the Us is the worst country. Now, if you dont like the president, thats a whole nother story. I bet you all wouldn't say that if kerry had been elected. The USA is the best country in the world, and if any of you say Canada is better, there socialist views on healthcare dont work. I know, i used to live there. Couldn't get a doctors appointment for years.

The U.S. is hardly the worst nation, but it rates up there. We have too many damn fundies waving their religions in everyone elses faces.

That what comes with freedom of speech and religion. I freakin hate neo-nazi fundies, as much as the next guy, but think how we would function if we suddenly banned all reglions. USRB-United Socialist Republic of Bush.

And no govenment is perfect. Thats why a "Utopia" can not exist. Probably down the line well find something better than democracy but thats the best we got right now.

How does France have more votes than Iraq? One is disliked by America at the moment, the other is a war zone.
French asre A holes (and im not just talkign about the iraqi war) thye also sent soldiers to Rwanda in the 90s "to try to bring peace" but instead helped the local majority Tribe (hutus) keep up with their genocide on a minority group (tutsi)

French asre A holes (and im not just talkign about the iraqi war) thye also sent soldiers to Rwanda in the 90s "to try to bring peace" but instead helped the local majority Tribe (hutus) keep up with their genocide on a minority group (tutsi)

Is that really worse than Hussein and his antics?

The U.S. is hardly the worst nation, but it rates up there. We have too many damn fundies waving their religions in everyone elses faces.

Stop going to their rallies then.

I would vote for the US if it was there. It must be the most introverted place in the world.

I created this after seeing poll of worst national leaders, in which Bush beat Hitler and Stalin. So I am aware there is a lot of anti-US/anti-Bush sentiment on the boards here. I purposely did NOT put the US or "other" on the list. I don't think the US is anywhere near worse than China (for example). I really wonder about someone who really thinks that the US is worse than China/Cuba/N Korea/Iran/Iraq.... And yes, for those wondering when, I am referring to the current period, not for all time. I am leaving the definition of "worst" up to each person, so it doesn't become an arguement over whether a nation fits the definition.

As for as Dobbs, do you think its skewed, or just not listed who you want? Would you think it less skewed if it was US, San Marino, Costa Rica, Singapore, Switzerland or US, Libya, Iran, N Korea, Cuba ?

It's just a poll though people. Just curious to see which everyone would pick. Don't want people getting upset over it. :) :p ;)

Where is Israel or USA?
on the 'good' list

I would vote for the US if it was there. It must be the most introverted place in the world.
Way to make a gross generalization! Your prejudiced and ignorant views are much appreciated. [/sarcasm]

Sudan by far

Don't dis the Sudan, man. Else you might incure the wrath of Ebola Sudan, which happens to have a mortality rate of 1/4. That is among the highest of any disease.

Where is the "California" option?

As a Californian, I resent that remark...California is not a nation....it is an Alternative Universe

How does France have more votes than Iraq? One is disliked by America at the moment, the other is a war zone.

Simple, we hold nothing against them, they're a country in the process of rebirth, france on the other hand, has a history of being assholes, and, are currently being such)

(Just FYI my great grandmother was frence, :p)

I created this after seeing poll of worst national leaders, in which Bush beat Hitler and Stalin. So I am aware there is a lot of anti-US/anti-Bush sentiment on the boards here. I purposely did NOT put the US or "other" on the list. I don't think the US is anywhere near worse than China (for example). I really wonder about someone who really thinks that the US is worse than China/Cuba/N Korea/Iran/Iraq.... And yes, for those wondering when, I am referring to the current period, not for all time. I am leaving the definition of "worst" up to each person, so it doesn't become an arguement over whether a nation fits the definition.

As for as Dobbs, do you think its skewed, or just not listed who you want? Would you think it less skewed if it was US, San Marino, Costa Rica, Singapore, Switzerland or US, Libya, Iran, N Korea, Cuba ?

It's just a poll though people. Just curious to see which everyone would pick. Don't want people getting upset over it. :) :p ;)
The main point is germany and france.

france on the other hand, has a history of being assholes, and, are currently being such
Perhaps, but its pre-Roman history is quite prestigious in my opinion. The Gauls were t3h l33t 0wnz0rz, though I guess the Britons, especially the Irish (Ireland was the Celtic centre of learning, kind of like Islam in mediaeval Europe) was probably superior. But it's only after the Roman conquered the territory, due strictly to their organisation, that France got its reputation of being assholes and pussies.

Frech+eisenhower started the vietnam war....and they call us imperialist....

Where is Israel or USA?
They're on the list of best nations.

Dude, you forgot to put Israel and the USA on there. Those would be the real competitors, with the two most disgusting cultures on the planet.
Yeah, democratic open societies like the US and Israel totally suck more than Sudan which is in the middle of it's second genocide. :headbang:

You forgot Poland.

How comes almost no-one voted for Germany? The germans are easily the worst people in history, ever. No-one else comes even close, including the Russians.

You forgot Poland.

Poland is not a nation. It is a defensive buffer zone.

Don't dis the Sudan, man. Else you might incure the wrath of Ebola Sudan, which happens to have a mortality rate of 1/4. That is among the highest of any disease.
Some strains of smallpox had 1/3. From experiments with genetically modified mousepox it seems that can be boosted to better than 90% mortality.

I had a feeling people would vote or attempt to vote for the U.S...come on people; the administration of the U.S. isn't hell-bent on destroying everyone that doesn't agree with them completely, the way the folks who run Iran or Saudi Arabia are. The Saudi royal family plays a hell of a balancing act, keeping the Bush family (I will refrain from calling them the "American royal family", though I am damn tempted to) happy as well as the power Wahhabists who practically run the country. Saudi Arabia is a hellhole to live in, especially if you're a woman, a non-Muslim, or a civilian in general.

Iran isn't much better, but at least it's headed somewhat in the right direction. The young folks want more democracy and less religion, and once the old guard is out, real reform can take place. It's probably going to involve the Ayatollah either dying or being executed Romania-style, and then the beginnings of democracy can be put in place.

However, Saudi Arabia seems to be getting worse. After all, of the 19 hijackers on 9/11, 15 were Saudis, as much as the Bush administration wants people to believe otherwise. The nation's elite want to make money at the expense of everyone else; that's effectively their foreign policy. Their domestic policy is insane. Rexcue workers once refused to save some young females from a burning buildings for the simple reason that their faces were not covered at the time. The Qu'ran even has provisions for survival situations, and the Wahhabi seem to ignore these. The Qu'ran states that Muslims are allowed to slaughter a pig and eat it if the alternative is starving to death, though I don't know if it's in those words (the Bible has the same provision, if I understand correctly...it's OK for people to work the Sabbath if their work is necessary, such as emergency workers.) Even the most hard-line Islamic regime in the world ignores this. Say what you will about hard-line Islamists ignoring the peaceful parts of the Qu'ran; that part can be contradicted by other parts of the Qu'ran, but when there are statements that allow for the Qu'ran rules to be suspended for survival purposes, and the power players in Saudi Arabia ignore this, it's absolutely outrageous. American firefighters would save women from a burning building if they were ass-naked; it's their fucking job. It's the Saudi workers' jobs too. Tell the Wahhabists to let them do their damn job.

How does France have more votes than Iraq? One is disliked by America at the moment, the other is a war zone.

Meh, France only has more votes than Iraq because most of the rational people are voting for Sudan.

Why the hell aren't Libya, Vietnam, Laos, Burma, Angola, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Iran, or North Korea on the list? :confused:

Come on now. US is not even near the worst nation and Israel is fighting for survival. If you haven't noticed, every country in that region has been out to destroy Israel since it was born. They are fighting for their life.
And where are N. Korea and Iran on that poll?

Come on now. US is not even near the worst nation and Israel is fighting for survival. If you haven't noticed, every country in that region has been out to destroy Israel since it was born. They are fighting for their life.
And where are N. Korea and Iran on that poll?

OK, you might have me with North Korea, but Saudi Arabia's about as bad, and it's hurting more people.

I voted China, simply because they dont make enough food to feed their people. Them and North Korea (and I think Japan) rely on the US to feed their population, because we are the number one rice producer in the world.

OK, you might have me with North Korea, but Saudi Arabia's about as bad, and it's hurting more people.
i agree completely, so let me change that
"where are N. Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and even Colombia (wiht its drug traffic, for mark my words that is where the next war is going to be after the war on terrorism) on that poll?

i agree completely, so let me change that
"where are N. Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and even Colombia (wiht its drug traffic, for mark my words that is where the next war is going to be after the war on terrorism) on that poll?
Dude, we're not going to war against Columbia. Do you know what that would do to the price of cocaine?

i agree completely, so let me change that
"where are N. Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and even Colombia (wiht its drug traffic, for mark my words that is where the next war is going to be after the war on terrorism) on that poll?

I wonder how Colombia will become a powder keg, or in what way it already is, and how the U.S. will screw everything up when and if it invades.

Saudi Arabia. Bad, blackmailing scum. They have the world by the balls with their oil, even the US has to kiss up to them.

Where's the US?They've got to be the worst of the worst

Frech+eisenhower started the vietnam war....and they call us imperialist....
Eisenhower was French?
And I vote for the USA.

Where's the US?They've got to be the worst of the worst
How many genocides have we caused? Do we violate human rights on the same scale as, say, N. Korea? Worst of the worst? You must be kidding me.

You forgot Poland.
Lol! That was a great line Bush had.

Where's the US?They've got to be the worst of the worst

Oh, really? Ever been to Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iran, etc.?

Where's the US?They've got to be the worst of the worst
Unjust actions by America: probably hundreds
Genocides committed by America:0
Honestly, you retard--the war in Iraq may not have been justified, but we are nowhere even close to the top of the list. It really angers me that you think that we're the worst nation in the world just because we're the most powerful. Sudan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Iran, and Libya are all infinitely worse. And about Israel's "genocide". In 1967, there were 1.1 million Palestinians. In 2003 there were 3.7 million. NOT GENOCIDE!

Genocides committed by America:0
The savage Injuns started it huh?

Eisenhower was French?
And I vote for the USA.

i didn't say eisenhower was french.....

The savage Injuns started it huh?

Aren't you German?

Extremely biased poll, the USA is by far the worst nation in the world.

The savage Injuns started it huh?
Did we wipe out any of their cultures? Was there a tribe of natives alive then that was hunted out of existance by the US army?

Aren't you German?
Yeah. So?

I can't believe this poll and the current results. The fact that Germany and France are even on there, and even worse, have votes is astonishing. The fact that France has more votes than Iraq boggles my mind. Good-bye.

Saying the US is the worst is just moronic. I understand the poll is unfair but I think the poll creator is only trying to prove a point.

I am completely against the Iraqi War. However, the US is not the only country that is in Iraq. There are about 30 other nations in Iraq, if your going to criticize the US, you must also criticize every other nation that is in there.
The Iraqi War is not a "US only" war.

It is also moronic for people to say France and Germany are the worst because of the Iraqi War or some stupid generalization.

Anyway my vote goes for Sudan as I am basing it on the present.

There are about 30 other nations in Iraq, if your going to criticize the US, you must also criticize every other nation that is in there.
The Iraqi War is not a "US only" war.
Those 30 somewhat other nations wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the US.

Those 30 somewhat other nations wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the US.

Explain that to me please.
France and Germany stayed out, why not those countries?

Are you going to say "well the Bush and the administration thought they had weapons and they didn't"? Well did those countries not agree that Iraq did? Did they also look at the evidence and decide yes? Were they able to hear from Frnace and Germany? I'm sure they were.

Unless you have evidence that the US threatened them into going I don't see your statement as valid.

Explain that to me please.
France and Germany stayed out, why not those countries?

Are you going to say "well the Bush and the administration thought they had weapons and they didn't"? Well did those countries not agree that Iraq did? Did they also look at the evidence and decide yes? Were they able to hear from Frnace and Germany? I'm sure they were.

Unless you have evidence that the US threatened them into going I don't see your statement as valid.
Well, France never does the US's bidding and Schröder had an election to win.
Very simple.

Well, France never does the US's bidding and Schröder had an election to win.
Very simple.


Oh and every other country does the US's every wish? Still not a valid point at all. Nations can make there own decisions correct? Saying the US put them there is not right. The nations who went put themselves there.

Oh and every other country does the US's every wish? Still not a valid point at all. Nations can make there own decisions correct? Saying the US put them there is not right. The nations who went put themselves there.
To an extend yes. But still the fact remains that they wouldn't be in Iraq without the US´s invasion. It´s not like the war had broad popular support. Not even in America´s pet the UK.

To an extend yes. But still the fact remains that they wouldn't be in Iraq without the US´s invasion. It´s not like the war had broad popular support. Not even in America´s pet the UK.


You keep calling it the US invasion where as I have already stated that there are 30 nations already in there. Unless those countries are all currently a part of the US saying that is incorrect.

You keep calling it the US invasion where as I have already stated that there are 30 nations already in there. Unless those countries are all currently a part of the US saying that is incorrect.
Who started the whole thing? The US or any of those 30 nations? Who has overall command? The US or one of those 30 nations?

Who started the whole thing? The US or any of those 30 nations? Who has overall command? The US or one of those 30 nations?

Well Great Britain, Spain, and the US were the ones who wrote up the resolution and presented it to the Un if you want me to go to the beginning.
As for the nations being there it was solely their discretion, so they "started it all" for themselves.

Sorry about not replying sooner by the way.

Wait, there must have been a mistake--you left out the US.

Shut the fuck up.

It seems that most americans forget their history... we totally demolished the native americans who lived here before us... manifest destiny ring a bell??? push them off there land and destroy their way of life... move them to small reservations... yes there are very few native americans now... and yes we did wipe out whole tribes of indians for our "preservation." as for the iraq war for oil, yes we did threaten countries that did not side with us by cutting funds and loans to those countries. That is why so many jumped on the band wagon... "fuck no money or food, hell yeah iraq is evil and has wmds." which by the by the US supplied to saddam hussein, and that does inlcude the gas he used on the Iranians, Kurds. Shi'ites, etc. Notice Spain got out of iraq, and switched sides.

I'm sorry to see that Mali isn't included in the "worst nation"...hell no would i move there...ppl there don't live past 30...
there are far more shocking places in the world than have actually been included in that list. I don't know how anyone could say that Germany and France are relatively bad nations, unless of course you were heading back to 1914 or 1940...but yeah...2005 now
I would have to mention USA...purely because they are probably the most disliked country around the world...however they aren't the worst, even though they probably have the worst leader...(my personal opinion however)

Nauru.

Got rich selling poo. Ran out of poo. Spent all the billions on worthless poo. Now well and truly in the poo.

How does France have more votes than Iraq? One is disliked by America at the moment, the other is a war zone.

Yeah , I don't see why France or Germany is even on the list.. especially Germany.

I wouldn't want to live in Haiti among many other nations

(Sorry for double post)

Worst Nation on Earth: Vatican City.

Why? Absolutely no strip clubs. :(

It is essentially because it is the only nation that matters, and as such is both best and worst. Other organizations on par with it are the UN, OPEC, formerly the Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union, as well as various others. None of those are actually nations. China is still climbing into the role.

Right...

275,000,000 people out of 6 Billion (0.045833333%)

1 Country out of 193 (0.00518134715%)

3,537,438 sq. mi. out of 57,500,000 sq. mi. (0.06152066087%)

Only 229 years of existance

$55.5 billion trade deficit in Oct, 2004 (Dependent on imports)

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ (owes much $$ to other nations and companies)

Yep, the only nation that matters, how can I disagree with someone as ethnocentrically wise as you. The U.S. is only a power militarily. Without other nations, it's economics don't mean crap, and a small monkey probably has more international prestigue. Oh yea, and in world vs. u.s. there would be a united states size hole in north america.

But to worst nation on earth - definantly postwar Iraq.

Although the entire thing is skewed and presents one world viewpoint. You should have let people simply post thier answer, so all countries could be voted on.

I always thought Poland and Australia were pretty horrible places.

We're talking about the present here, so any reference to Germany and Hitler, the Soviet Union and Stalin, or the U.S. and Manifest Destiny is irrelevant.

If you think that the U.S., Germany, or France are the worst, you have no clue what you are talking about. Is it that hard to see that the mass genocides, horrible social inequalities (under pain of death in many cases), and disease-ridden lands of Upper Africa and the Middle East are much worse than what any Western nation has to offer?

You're all a bunch of 12 year olds.

Why isnt England on the list?

Since Germany and France are included how about putting the U. S. on the list since its the only nation in the world that not only has used nuclear weapons but used them on a civilian population?

How could you leave off North Korea?

I know this has already been said a thousand times by now, but that's still not enough. What the hell does 'worst' mean? What time period are you refering to? This list is also really biased. And Iraq wouldn't be in such bad shape right now if it weren't for the US, so really the US should replace Iraq on the list. And where are North Korea and Saudi Arabia, if that's the kind of 'worst' you mean? And I find it ironic that you have China on the list. Do you have any fucking idea what would happen to the US economy if it weren't for China? This whole thing is really messed up.

It is essentially because it is the only nation that matters
Oh right, so because other countries don't have supergiant militaries, we don't matter?

I always thought Poland and Australia were pretty horrible places.
What? Australia routinely comes within the top ten best living standards in the world (unless you're an Aborigine of course), and Poland is alright too.

That is a ver-ry short list. None of the above. No countries really count nowadays, except for the United States. Hypothetical war- US wins hands down, or everyone loses due to MAD. Before it was the United States and the Soviet Union, but now it's just one. As such, there is only one choice- the United States. The UN isn't really a nation, but if it was, it would simply be weak.

Wow... that is some post... I don't even know where to begin. No one matters but the US, huh? Our economy would be nothing if we weren't able to unfairly exploit the world market by importing all of our goods from Oriental nations that use cheap, sweatshop labor. And the EU will be much more powerful by the end of these next four years.

They only thing we have over other nations is our military, which is dependant on our economy, which is dependant on other nations, who we are beggining to lose. Even if those other nations had not fallen out of favor with us (thank you very much Bush and Co.), this administration will destroy the economy anyway, with thier reckless spending, which is driving up the national debt, and their refusal to do anything about our huge trade defecit. Both of these things are leading to the fall of the US Dollar, which is making us less and less powerful, and when we finally lose our top spot in economics, China will be waiting in the wings, ready to take over.

And if there were a war with the US against the world, we would get our asses handed to us, which is a good thing. The only way we would get into a war in which the whole world was against us would be because of the unilateral policies of the administration which brainwashed, foolish citizens like you have put in charge for another term. This means that not only would Bush and his fellow GOPers be fighting the world, half of the US would be willing to fight him and bring him down from the inside.

If the UN were a nation, it would be much more powerful than the US, for many obvious reason, End of story, 'nuff said. If you can't see these reasons, or refuse to admit that they are true, then I pity you. This is only the beginning of what is wrong with your post, which is even dumber than the post which started this thread. I could go on for about an hour more with it.

I always thought Poland and Australia were pretty horrible places.

Wow, thats unexpected. Why on earth would you pick those too. Good living standards, sure the people are a little red-neck here in aus but we have alot of great city palces combined with great environment. Eh your lack of reason makes this pointless.

Nauru.

Got rich selling poo. Ran out of poo. Spent all the billions on worthless poo. Now well and truly in the poo.

LOL, good one-- and pretty much true too. True poo too.

quite possibly the worst post ive ever seen.
*hands out award for worst post* congratulations, you're an idiot!

USA need i say more

You should have mentioned this poll was only for people of the USA. And yes, you forgot some countries. Afghanistan and Belgium weren't mentioned before.

Oh good - I'm glad I'm not the first person to vote for France ;-)

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