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Seen "Holocaust Denial"? It's a neo-Nazi attempt to show that the Nazis couldn't have killed the millions of Jews. Instead, it was only the execution of some criminals.

Now, I don't think this goes as far as it should. You shouldn't try proving things like "Nazis never set up death camps" and so on. You should find the root of the problem: what are "Jews", actually?

The "crypto-Jews" are a population, which don't call themselves "Jews", yet they have customs and a religion found only in Jewish populations. It seems that in the past, they were ostracized for being Jews, and so they simply told no one they were Jews, and began to pretend they weren't.

Can you see what's wrong with this picture? Suddenly a group of people is "Jews". Why couldn't it be the exact opposite: those that call themselves Jews aren't!

I would like you to find ideas for this argument. For example: "The Jews are actually a mafia / secret society founded in 15th century by Isaac Newton to deny the idea of Holy Trinity. They forged themselves a history, and infiltrated the governments to institute it. Nazis actually managed to round up these criminals and duly punish them for organised crime."

Or (for Jews): "Who ultimately, by proxy of course, told you you're a Jew?"

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More BSish conspiracy: "the crypto-Jews motivation for trying to be a Jew could be that they would want to get the same preferential treatment this so-called Jew mafia gets." Obviously, this leaves open the question that controlling the world, why the Jews haven't stamped this out, but is it all that uncommon for conspiracy theories to have gaping holes in them?

Actually, I have heritage of one of those "deniable peoples". Namely, I could mirror the above argument "So called Ingrians were really immigrants to Ingria (true), and as such, never existed (conspiracy)."

Are you compiling a case as to be able to counter future ones?

If so, I'll gladly add to the counterrance

Damn! And I left my tin foil hat in the car!

whoosh

Hey buddy did you see that? That was reality and it seems to have past you by.

I love it when you nutters start spinning your conspiracies, got any on the Queen of England?

Seen "Holocaust Denial"? It's a neo-Nazi attempt to show that the Nazis couldn't have killed the millions of Jews. Instead, it was only the execution of some criminals.

Now, I don't think this goes as far as it should. You shouldn't try proving things like "Nazis never set up death camps" and so on. You should find the root of the problem: what are "Jews", actually?

The "crypto-Jews" are a population, which don't call themselves "Jews", yet they have customs and a religion found only in Jewish populations. It seems that in the past, they were ostracized for being Jews, and so they simply told no one they were Jews, and began to pretend they weren't.

Can you see what's wrong with this picture? Suddenly a group of people is "Jews". Why couldn't it be the exact opposite: those that call themselves Jews aren't!

I would like you to find ideas for this argument. For example: "The Jews are actually a mafia / secret society founded in 15th century by Isaac Newton to deny the idea of Holy Trinity. They forged themselves a history, and infiltrated the governments to institute it. Nazis actually managed to round up these criminals and duly punish them for organised crime."

Or (for Jews): "Who ultimately, by proxy of course, told you you're a Jew?"

Excellent. If you manage to prove that Jews don't exist, you'll have solved a lot of problems. The Jew-bashers no longer have to hate, we don't have to hear the whining about how bad the Jews are, and the Jews can complete their world takeover in utter secrecy. Everybody wins! ;)

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what?

you have some problem with the ethnicity of self-identifying jews?

huh?
what?

WHY?

Are you compiling a case as to be able to counter future ones?

If so, I'll gladly add to the counterrance

Yep. This should be like "spåralogy", invented by skeptic Nils Mustelin, to prove that the human life is not controlled by twelve planets, but of all things, the trams of Helsinki! (In native slang, a tram is "spåra").

Don't.

Just don't.

For these wacko neo-Nazi holocaust deniers half the battle is getting someone to debate the topic with them. They achieve equal footing simply by getting people to argue with them. Would you give credence to people arguing that the earth is flat by engaging them in discussion?

Take a word of advice from Woody Allen in his movie Manhattan:

Isaac Davis: Has anybody read that Nazis are gonna march in New Jersey? Y'know, I read this in the newspaper. We should go down there, get some guys together, y'know, get some bricks and baseball bats and really explain things to them.
Party Guest: There is this devastating satirical piece on that on the Op Ed page of the Times, it is devastating.
Isaac Davis: Well, a satirical piece in the Times is one thing, but bricks and baseball bats really gets right to the point.

Ooooh, making up funny conspiracies!
Another tricky one: Make nazis believe the whole radical antisemitic scene is really controlled by jews.
Its actually like this: The jews, who control the press as everyone knows, founded and currently lead groups like Aryan Nation and White Power to draw attention from their real doings. By this they accomplish three things. a) They know who knows about them and can lead them in a wrong direction. b) They get a lot of sympathy for being the poor harrassed guys and c) whenever they work on some really big evil plot, they arrange for some nazi incident to be the prime topic in the media.
Evil geniuses, the lot of them. :D

Let's not, but say we did.

Dobbs does not exist. There is merely a Java servlet working somewhere that's posting random statements from a list of statements to this board. He really does not exist.

I suggest we apply the Turing test, just to see if there's really a consciousness at the other end.

Dobbs does not exist. There is merely a Java servlet working somewhere that's posting random statements from a list of statements to this board. He really does not exist.

I suggest we apply the Turing test, just to see if there's really a consciousness at the other end.

Is that like a driving test? Do I get to push buttons? Where's my pencil?

We need to ask a combination of inflammatory and innocuous statements, and see which ones "Dobbs" flames. If he flames too many innocuous statements, and doesn't flame enough inflammatory statements, he's probably a computer program.

We need to ask a combination of inflammatory and innocuous statements, and see which ones "Dobbs" flames. If he flames too many innocuous statements, and doesn't flame enough inflammatory statements, he's probably a computer program.

Or I could just choose not to respond to any of them. Hah!