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Its just horrible, this is a big mess, those poor soldiers, just eating having a good time than 60 of there friends are dead/dying/hurt bad. Maybe if more funds were put into this there wouldnt be all these dead people, not just armor but better security, how does Bush expect to have a quick resolution if he is giving the money to Iraq that he earned in a bake sale?

Can you believe that? Two dozen killed, another 5 dozen injured, I guess like eggs at a grocery store soldiers are, for Bush, cheaper by the dozen. :(


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And to all of you Bushies, he was likely not a terrorist, and likely did not hate freedom. Just trying to protect his homeland (you can tell by what he is wearing, no robe or anything.)

comments anyone?

You seem to be rather smug about it.

George Bush gave these soldiers' families an early xmas present this year.

You seem to be rather smug about it.

He is.

I think he looks at every soldier's death as an "I told you so" opportunity.

You seem to be rather smug about it.
He does have that self riotous indignation thing going on



Horrible tragedy but really what is there to “discuss” ? It is horrible … unless you are expecting us to start another blowhard pro/anti bush/American argument for your amusement (with you of course providing the initial spark)

Yes ... well ... just click over to foxnews.com ... they'll let you know that we've won and all hostilities have ceased. Never fear ... propoganda to the rescue!

George Bush gave these soldiers' families an early xmas present this year.
Glad you like to one-up someone who doesn't post on these forums, much less care what you say, at the expense of the lives of better men than yourself.

Its just horrible, this is a big mess, those poor soldiers, just eating having a good time than 60 of there friends are dead/dying/hurt bad.

What do you mean "just eating, having a good time"? These were soldiers in a war zone, susceptible to come under fire at any time anywhere. They weren't there to have a good time or to relax, have some fun and conversation. They were there doing a dangerous job, the enemy saw an opportunity to attack and attacked with good results.

How many times have Iraqi families been at a gathering, meal, school and just have somebody blow himself up or a US plane dropping a bomb on them? That's tragic, this is just a soldier's duty.

Yes ... well ... just click over to foxnews.com ... they'll let you know that we've won and all hostilities have ceased. Never fear ... propoganda to the rescue!
The top headline seems to be "19 U.S. Soldiers Killed in Mosul Attack"

Of course who cares about reality :rolleyes:

Nope, no, I still have no sympathy for the aggressor who's there on false grounds.

I love it when people get all upset when they see a headline saying 12 soldiers die. Like it's the end of the world...
If you're so concerned about life, what about Africa? You DO realize they're practically in a state constant of civil war, right? Not to mention the aids killing millions... Oh, but heaven forbid! An Iraqi died and someone took a greusom picture of it!! Heavens to Betsy!!

I can't decide if it's funny or sad how society is entirely media driven.

It was no one's fault. If anyone, the base administrators are to blame, but the base probably wasn't meant to be pernament, at least not the mess hall. I even know of high ranking officers that routinely work in tents in hotspots.
In any case, let's return to civility here, as the death toll is gruesome. My thoughts and prayers are with those that died today, and I pray for a speedy recovery for those that were injured.

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Its just horrible, this is a big mess, those poor soldiers, just eating having a good time than 60 of there friends are dead/dying/hurt bad. Maybe if more funds were put into this there wouldnt be all these dead people, not just armor but better security, how does Bush expect to have a quick resolution if he is giving the money to Iraq that he earned in a bake sale?

Can you believe that? Two dozen killed, another 5 dozen injured, I guess like eggs at a grocery store soldiers are, for Bush, cheaper by the dozen. :(


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http://softlyrant.blogspot.com

And to all of you Bushies, he was likely not a terrorist, and likely did not hate freedom. Just trying to protect his homeland (you can tell by what he is wearing, no robe or anything.)

Perhaps you have to blaim your president?
You can have support you know, just follow the rules of the free world--->
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Ok, I know that you are against it but am shocked by your opinion."Even though it is not a US soldier". Hell, like a US soldier is more then a Iraqi? Are people like you that condamn this in the US allready so far that you have to say it like that to convince your extremist countrymen? :rolleyes:

You guys (and your one one of the good) have to come back at Bastogne like I did and talk with the last great freedomfighters and go back with the Bastogne message of the US vets: "we are wrong letting our youngsters die for the Cheney/Halliburton/Bush-oil money, you guys are right". (Like the private and taped message was told by the oldest and highest ranking US vet said bewards the others at the Mardasson (-monument with the names of the death GI's near Bastogne)towards the Belgian PM, in hearing distance of the US&UK (wich agreed with gently chin movement :) ) officials.

A great man in the real non oppressive US tradition of "NUTS" MC Auliffe and our buddy Patton (Jezus he would kick the hell out of the US Hitler in charge, if still allive, with his 2 colt '45, we know the great old liberator better then the new US regime!)

Was it a rocket, a mortar or a suicide? Right on, resistance!

Lot's of snow and TigerII (King Tiger) tanks. It took 6 Shermans (6x5 men) to kill that beast, only from the rear. That is why allied troops asked for German Tank copies when asked for improvements...

Great celebration and the snow was there again. In fact, the complete surrounding of the 101 in Bastogne took place on the night of 22/23 december 1944, and the Patton cut trough of the 8th Army on 27 december. Because it was a weekend now, they celebrated it now with even 25 vets jumping in the (fresh fallen on the day) snow from vintage Dacota's.

Thank's Vets

What do you mean "just eating, having a good time"? These were soldiers in a war zone, susceptible to come under fire at any time anywhere. They weren't there to have a good time or to relax, have some fun and conversation. They were there doing a dangerous job, the enemy saw an opportunity to attack and attacked with good results.

How many times have Iraqi families been at a gathering, meal, school and just have somebody blow himself up or a US plane dropping a bomb on them? That's tragic, this is just a soldier's duty.

They were in a mess hall eating.

I love it when people get all upset when they see a headline saying 12 soldiers die. Like it's the end of the world...
If you're so concerned about life, what about Africa? You DO realize they're practically in a state constant of civil war, right? Not to mention the aids killing millions... Oh, but heaven forbid! An Iraqi died and someone took a greusom picture of it!! Heavens to Betsy!!

I can't decide if it's funny or sad how society is entirely media driven.

Yeah but Iraq is actually the fault of a country, Africa is just fucked up, I really dont know why, some people blame other countrys that used to own them, that is dumb, others blame slavery, even dumber But with Iraq it was someones decesion this could have been avoided.

Yeah but Iraq is actually the fault of a country, Africa is just fucked up, I really dont know why, some people blame other countrys that used to own them, that is dumb, others blame slavery, even dumber But with Iraq it was someones decesion this could have been avoided.

Eh, except that there would still be people dying in Iraq. So what exactly was avoided, again?

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From the article:Bush steadfast on ‘vital mission’
President Bush said the explosion should not derail the elections and that he hoped relatives of those killed know that their loved ones died in “a vital mission for peace.”
“I’m confident democracy will prevail in Iraq,” he said. How many times have we heard GWB say that,now? Practically every day now. He's either in complete denial about the matter or is ascribing to Goebel's doctrine of "tell a lie enoug times and eventually ppl will believe it".

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Why link this picture, other than maybe show us you have a morbid obsession, bordering on fetishism?
We know things are bad in Iraq and that death is awful. Some of us prefer to give the dead a little dignity by not showing their body on the 'net for all to gawk at. You know, we don't all smell milk 3 weeks after it's use-by-date.

He's either in complete denial about the matter or is ascribing to Goebel's doctrine of "tell a lie enoug times and eventually ppl will believe it".
I think that was Lenin.

They were in a mess hall eating.
So? If the US Air Force saw a bunch of rebels having their meal they would still bomb them. Same thing here.

So? If the US Air Force saw a bunch of rebels having their meal they would still bomb them. Same thing here.

So don't cry if the US bombs some in payback. Don't make any complaint at all.

This is the kind of thing that the administration MUST start understanding. You cannot wage a war on terrorism. Not when one guy with an rpg can take out sixty troops in a meal hall!

This is the kind of thing that the administration MUST start understanding. You cannot wage a war on terrorism. Not when one guy with an rpg can take out sixty troops in a meal hall!

Maybe we have to realize that local security for US troops is something the local commanders have to address and solve.

One wonders what kind of idiot puts a tent in the open where someone can shoot at it in a country that has rebels. Do you suppose that Bush told them to use that tent, and put it right there, and not guard it, or do you suppose that the local commander is somehow a fucking idiot?

Glad you like to one-up someone who doesn't post on these forums, much less care what you say, at the expense of the lives of better men than yourself.

*wheeze*

So don't cry if the US bombs some in payback. Don't make any complaint at all.
I guess that's exactly what you thought when you saw the WTC collapsing: "Well, we had it coming, it was payback". You should follow your own advice.

While we're at it, I have rats in my neighborhood. Obviously, even though there have been rats here for decades, it's all the Republican party's fault, for not funding enough jobs programs for rats. And Bush is to blame for the rat I saw the other day. Yeah, personally responsible. And he didn't even send me a personally written apology to apologize for the rat. How insensitive!

Maybe we have to realize that local security for US troops is something the local commanders have to address and solve.

One wonders what kind of idiot puts a tent in the open where someone can shoot at it in a country that has rebels. Do you suppose that Bush told them to use that tent, and put it right there, and not guard it, or do you suppose that the local commander is somehow a fucking idiot?

I submit the entire undertaking is fucking idiocy.

I submit the entire undertaking is fucking idiocy.

An admirably constructive statement, wouldn't you say? I could say the same thing about the human race, and then ask that it all be nuked right now.

Maybe we have to realize that local security for US troops is something the local commanders have to address and solve.

One wonders what kind of idiot puts a tent in the open where someone can shoot at it in a country that has rebels. Do you suppose that Bush told them to use that tent, and put it right there, and not guard it, or do you suppose that the local commander is somehow a fucking idiot?

I understand your point. Competence in the middle management is always an issue, but the big guys back home (Rummy and Dubya, mostly) don't seem to be registering this stuff at all. It's like watching a couple of kids play with toy soldiers and a blowtorch. In their minds, they've got this thing won because they're "writing" it, and they can afford to melt a bunch of little green men every once in a while. It's frustrating enough for me, I can't imagine how the average army mom or dad feels about it.

An admirably constructive statement, wouldn't you say? I could say the same thing about the human race, and then ask that it all be nuked right now.

About as constructive as killing people for oil, wouldn't you agree?

I'd rather nuke the whole planet from orbit. Nothing personal.

Now that the US has undertaken this unnecessary mission we must see it through to the end. Leaving Iraq as it is now would leave it in the same state as Afghanistan after the soviet invasion. It would become a breeding ground for terrorists. Troops will die. So will civilians. Still we can't abandon Iraq to chaos.

Maybe we have to realize that local security for US troops is something the local commanders have to address and solve.

One wonders what kind of idiot puts a tent in the open where someone can shoot at it in a country that has rebels. Do you suppose that Bush told them to use that tent, and put it right there, and not guard it, or do you suppose that the local commander is somehow a fucking idiot?



Actually, the "idiocy" of this had been noted and Halliburton has been building them a nice new steel-reinforced concrete mess hall on the base. It's behind schedule because aparently it's a dangerous place to get men and supplies into.... Go figure.

Troops will die. So will civilians. Still we can't abandon Iraq to chaos.

Yeah, well I think that's the plan, isn't it? Instigate chaos, then stick around to make sure it stays chaotic, all the while making off with as much oil as possible. With luck, order will never return, eh? Sovereignty eats into profits - Halliburton shareholders'll never stand for a return to order...

Yeah, well I think that's the plan, isn't it? Instigate chaos, then stick around to make sure it stays chaotic, all the while making off with as much oil as possible. With luck, order will never return, eh? Sovereignty eats into profits - Halliburton shareholders'll never stand for a return to order...

My you're a dense one, aren't you? If that was the objective, why are we still there?

Yeah, well I think that's the plan, isn't it? Instigate chaos, then stick around to make sure it stays chaotic, all the while making off with as much oil as possible. With luck, order will never return, eh? Sovereignty eats into profits - Halliburton shareholders'll never stand for a return to order...
Do you know how much oil it would take to pay back the enormous ammounts of money spent so far in this foolish escapade? Please, we would have to own all of Iraq's oil exports for years on end.

Do you know how much oil it would take to pay back the enormous ammounts of money spent so far in this foolish escapade? Please, we would have to own all of Iraq's oil exports for years on end.

And so you shall, my child. And so you shall...

My you're a dense one, aren't you? If that was the objective, why are we still there?

Why, because there's profits to be made in them thar 'human tragedies'...namely, oil profits. I'd sooner be dense than a dupe.

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Its just horrible, this is a big mess, those poor soldiers, just eating having a good time than 60 of there friends are dead/dying/hurt bad. Maybe if more funds were put into this there wouldnt be all these dead people, not just armor but better security, how does Bush expect to have a quick resolution if he is giving the money to Iraq that he earned in a bake sale?

Can you believe that? Two dozen killed, another 5 dozen injured, I guess like eggs at a grocery store soldiers are, for Bush, cheaper by the dozen. :(

VIEWER DICRETION ADVISED, (because this is one nasty ass picture, even though it isnt a US soldier, its still horrible and discusting.)
http://softlyrant.blogspot.com

And to all of you Bushies, he was likely not a terrorist, and likely did not hate freedom. Just trying to protect his homeland (you can tell by what he is wearing, no robe or anything.)
Thank you, oh great expert at nothing.

Why, because there's profits to be made in them thar 'human tragedies'...namely, oil profits. I'd sooner be dense than a dupe.
Considering how much money has already been spent, and how much must be spent in the future, oil profits are IMHO not a rational motivation for this undertaking. I think the neocons simply beleived that they could go into Iraq and create democracy overnight and on the cheap. They honestly thought they could reshape the middle east that way.

Well, the Democrats had eight full years to reshape the Middle East, and look how far they got. They couldn't get anyone to go along with the Mideast Peace Plan. If anything the whole Israeli-Palestinian thing went into the skip.

The best you could say is that instead of invading countries, Clinton shot missiles at them. Nice shot, Bill! (and I don't mean the dress).

Considering how much money has already been spent, and how much must be spent in the future, oil profits are IMHO not a rational motivation for this undertaking. I think the neocons simply beleived that they could go into Iraq and create democracy overnight and on the cheap. They honestly thought they could reshape the middle east that way.

Yeah, I always hear about 'Liberal naivete', but if anything has been made abundantly clear to me, it's that Conservatives aren't just naive, they've gouged out their own eyes to keep themselves from seeing reality...

Well, the Democrats had eight full years to reshape the Middle East, and look how far they got. They couldn't get anyone to go along with the Mideast Peace Plan. If anything the whole Israeli-Palestinian thing went into the skip.

The best you could say is that instead of invading countries, Clinton shot missiles at them. Nice shot, Bill! (and I don't mean the dress).

Hey, the Republicans had twelve full years before Clinton...how far back do you want to go, here?

Hey, the Republicans had twelve full years before Clinton...how far back do you want to go, here?

I just don't buy the idea that it's all Bush's fault. Or all the Republican's fault.

Who were the jackasses who got us into Vietnam?

I just don't buy the idea that it's all Bush's fault. Or all the Republican's fault.

Who were the jackasses who got us into Vietnam?
Wait a minute, you don't buy the idea that what was all bush's fault? If you are talking about the Iraq war, then you're crazy. Bush got us into this war plain and simple. There was no evidence that saddam was linked with Al Quaeda. The same can't be said for bush's Saudi friends. If we needed to pick an enemy we should have at least gone after one with ties to those who attacked us.

I just don't buy the idea that it's all Bush's fault. Or all the Republican's fault.

Who were the jackasses who got us into Vietnam?
The french so what does that got to do with anything?

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Its just horrible, this is a big mess, those poor soldiers, just eating having a good time than 60 of there friends are dead/dying/hurt bad. Maybe if more funds were put into this there wouldnt be all these dead people, not just armor but better security, how does Bush expect to have a quick resolution if he is giving the money to Iraq that he earned in a bake sale?

Can you believe that? Two dozen killed, another 5 dozen injured, I guess like eggs at a grocery store soldiers are, for Bush, cheaper by the dozen. :(


VIEWER DICRETION ADVISED, (because this is one nasty ass picture, even though it isnt a US soldier, its still horrible and discusting.)
http://softlyrant.blogspot.com

And to all of you Bushies, he was likely not a terrorist, and likely did not hate freedom. Just trying to protect his homeland (you can tell by what he is wearing, no robe or anything.)
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The french so what does that got to do with anything?

The US didn't have to do anything for the French. It was a dimwit Democratic President and his equally dim Secretary of Defense who got us in there - without UN approval, perpetrating massacres and assassinations, dropping Agent Orange, bombing kids with napalm...

ooops, I'm sorry if that's not Bush.... it was Kennedy...

The US didn't have to do anything for the French. It was a dimwit Democratic President and his equally dim Secretary of Defense who got us in there - without UN approval, perpetrating massacres and assassinations, dropping Agent Orange, bombing kids with napalm...

ooops, I'm sorry if that's not Bush.... it was Kennedy...

And has no relevance to Bush's war in Iraq. You can't blame Clinton for Bush's war. 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. Clinton had nothing to do with 9/11. Kennedy had nothing to with the Bin Ladens.

Bush did, though. It's Bush's war. No-one elses'. History will not record that Bush invaded Iraq because of the evil Bill Clinton and his philandering.

And has no relevance to Bush's war in Iraq. You can't blame Clinton for Bush's war. 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. Clinton had nothing to do with 9/11. Kennedy had nothing to with the Bin Ladens.

Bush did, though. It's Bush's war. No-one elses'. History will not record that Bush invaded Iraq because of the evil Bill Clinton and his philandering.

Bush is responsible for the Iraq war. What I'm saying is that you all parade around as if he's the only and most fucked up US President that ever existed, and that if only a Democrat had been elected, things would be different.

There isn't any Party in the US that could get us out now. And no party that can lay claim to the statement "we never fucked up".

I'd rather nuke the whole planet from orbit. Nothing personal.
I would be more creative. I would drop a black hole into Earth, nothing big, a couple of kilos will suffice. Then I would watch as the black hole drops all the way to Earth's center and starts orbiting inside. Meanwhile it will pick up mass, but the real damage will come from the tidal effect. Earth's crust will become molten lava in a few years and no one will be able to do anything about it.

Yes!!! Take that puny little humans!!! That'll teach you all!!!

Well of course you can’t blame the soldiers in Iraq, as they are doing a job their perhaps the administration did not get completely right. But at the end of the day they knew the risks when they joined, so its life i’m afraid. And you can't really portray Terrorists as evil, because they know that they would lose in conventional warfare, so they perform unconventional warfare such as:

Suicide bombings, Mortar attacks, R.P.G attacks, Roadside bombs etc.

Whereas you can't blame America for civilian life, as it is war, a game where both sides will eventually lose.

Now the latest reports are saying it may have been a suicide bomber who walked into the mess and blew himself up.
You gotta wonder at the state of the security if this was the case. How the hell did he get that far into a base?
Unless he had local support, which doesn't say much for the Iraqi security force.

Nope, no, I still have no sympathy for the aggressor who's there on false grounds.

Well, while I disagree and have always with the Iraq war.. it's still sad. However we don't seem to get all bent out of shape when people brag on CNN and such about how they shot 3000 "insurgents" with pride.

After all, the Americans are the aggressors and if some get killed invading a nation that never did a god damn thing to them, don't be surprised if the people fight back and kill the invading force every chance they get. I would if they invaded my country. After all, it is the Americans who decided the Geneva Conventions don't apply. You reap what you sow.

Lets not forget who was in the wrong here. It wasn't Iraq.