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Generic greeting doesn’t leave Christians feeling merry

Tuesday Heights
21-12-2004, 07:17
LancasterOnline.com

Generic greeting doesn’t leave Christians feeling merry
By Helen Colwell Adams
Sunday News

Published: Dec 18, 2004 10:49 PM EST

LANCASTER COUNTY, PA - Wish Peggie Miller a happy holiday, and she’ll gently correct you.
“It’s ‘Merry Christmas,’” she’ll say.

The Lancaster Township woman is distressed at the growing tendency of store clerks and acquaintances to refer to the generic holiday season instead of the religious holiday at its heart.

She’s not offended by people who don’t observe Christmas – marking the birth of Jesus Christ – but she feels “there is a subtle pressure ... to get Christ out of everything.”

Other Christians are upset too.

While in this county the “Happy Holidays” trend is more confined to businesses trying not to antagonize non-Christian customers, around the nation, schools and communities are backing off Christmas celebrations for fear of triggering church/state lawsuits.

Battles over creches on public property have been fought for years, but the issue has heated up recently. Some suggest that the higher profile of evangelicals that resulted from the presidential campaign has encouraged them to speak out about the secularization of Christmas. Christians contend that instead of simply using a generic theme, increasingly, any public mention of Christmas is being forbidden while other religious holidays are marked.

Attorney Leonard Brown III of the Lancaster-based Clymer & Musser law firm pointed out that a recent poll showed 96 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas, but the objections of a few have resulted in public officials playing Grinch about Christmas music in school concerts and churches in holiday parades.

In the church, opinions are mixed on how Christians should respond to a generic “holiday season” muscling Christmas off the stage.

Some ministry leaders, including Keith Yoder of Teaching the Word Ministries in Leola, say Christians may need at times to take a stand to protect their legal rights in the public square.

But Pastor Vincent Whitman of Crossroads Mennonite Church in Lancaster wonders if that’s the church’s job. “We can’t really make the world Christian,” he said. “Our calling is to be a witness and to be a light. If any of that spills out (into the world) ... it’s all a blessing.” “Why get upset with our culture?” asked Pastor Dave Witmer of HopeNet Fellowship of Churches. “Our toys won’t last, but Jesus will.”

In Illinois, a suburban Chicago school district recently put on a holiday program that referred to Hanukkah, Kwanzaa and Santa Claus but never mentioned Christmas. The Alliance Defense Fund warned the school not to discriminate against Christians.

Another Illinois district banned school bus drivers from playing Christmas music. In Denver, a private group barred a church from entering a religious-themed float in the annual holiday parade.

The Rutherford Institute, a religious civil liberties group, issued “The Twelve Rules of Christmas” to clarify what the law says about free speech and the free exercise of faith.

Closer to home, Clymer & Musser, a firm noted for its religious liberties cases, recently sent a letter to 433 school districts in Pennsylvania outlining religious rights in connection with Christmas.

“In recent years, secular groups have spread misconceptions about the legalities of Christmas celebration within public schools,” attorney Brown’s letter says. “As a result, many school officials have removed nearly all references to Christ from Christmas and have begun a new ‘tradition’ of violating the constitutional rights of students and teachers to seasonal religious expression within public schools.

“... Some school officials have gone so far as to prohibit the common greeting ‘Merry Christmas’ and, instead, insist that teachers and students merely say ‘Happy Holidays’ and refer to the Christmas break as ‘Winter Break’ or ‘Sparkle Season.’

“... No court has ever ruled that the Constitution demands school officials to censor Christmas carols, eliminate all references to Christmas or silence those who celebrate Christmas.”

The letter says that under law and court precedent, Christmas carols may be sung in school programs, schools may term the December break a “Christmas vacation,” study of the religious origins of the holiday is permitted and students are allowed to wish others “Merry Christmas.” So far, he said, all the nationwide cases in which discrimination was alleged have been resolved through attorneys communicating with the schools or government agencies. There haven’t been any complaints locally. “My belief is that schools and governmental agencies have been scared into dropping Christmas, despite the fact that 96 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas,” Brown said.

The backlash against secularization comes in part because of the growing role of organizations like the Alliance Defense Fund, with which Clymer & Musser is affiliated, to counter the influence of liberal advocacy groups.

But it’s also a rising tide of frustration in the pews with what some Christians, especially conservatives and evangelicals, see as the marginalization of the Christian faith.

They feel insulted when Newsweek, in its pre-Christmas issue, runs a cover story quoting liberal and out-of-the-mainstream theologians almost exclusively to buttress the contention that the biblical story of the virgin birth didn’t happen the way it’s written in Matthew and Luke.

And they are offended when Hanukkah, Kwanzaa and the Muslim holiday of Eid are permitted to be mentioned in school, but the religious elements of Christmas are not.

“In the Western world we are engaged in a cultural war,” said Yoder of Teaching the Word, who is also chairman of The Regional Church of Lancaster County, a church network. “From one perspective the battles are being fought over public display or mention of Christian concepts. A new word has recently been formed – Christianaphobia. There is an increasing evidence of fear and/or hatred of things Christian or persons who identify as Christian.”

His ministry is planning to “equip believers in the church to prepare to stand” in the face of persecution and criticism, including a leadership summit March 13-15.

“In some cases it is good to participate in legal efforts to protect First Amendment rights,” he said. “We also need to know how to stand with Christ-like attitudes in the public arena, whether our liberties are being protected or not.”

“How should Christians respond?” Brown asked. “With grace and humility, but also with courage to not conform to scare tactics by the ACLU and other groups.

“... People always advocate some point of view, and the public marketplace of ideas should allow the views of Christian to be expressed as well.”

Whitman, the Crossroads Mennonite pastor, said from a biblical perspective, fighting the world may not be the right approach.

“We’re to take care of things happening inside the church,” he said. “... Judgment must start at the hand of God first.” “I expect that our culture will become exhausted with more and more commercialization of the holidays,” said pastor Witmer.

“People want mystery; they hunger for trains to the North Pole, for a glimpse of angels among us. Those who follow Christ simply need to continue faithfully offering the greatest mystery of all – the visitation to our little blue planet by God’s son.”

Peggie Miller is still on a mission to keep Christmas the focus of the season. “To other people, it’s Frosty the Snowman, Santa Claus, holly and mistletoe. That’s all part of it for me – but it’s on an outer limb.”

So when store clerks tell her to have a happy holiday, she responds, “It’s Merry Christmas to me. It’s about the birth of Jesus Christ.”

MY RESPONSE:
So, what d'you all think?

This is how I responded in my Xanga:
"I was very disturbed by this article. How dare they tell the woman in question, "Happy Holidays," the salesperson should've had telekinetic powers to tell she celebrated Christmas and then wished her a "merry" one. What a f*cking whore."

Now, we all know if someone say Happy Hannukah to this woman in the story, she would've flipped out, too... so, it's d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't, IMHO.
Goed Twee
21-12-2004, 07:26
I use Yay Gifty WubWub Day. If they bring up christianity, I'll remind them that it's not nice to talk about someone else's birthday during Mithras.

Hey, I've done it before.
Keruvalia
21-12-2004, 07:27
I say we change the standard greeting from November 15th - January 10th to "Go Fuck Yourself".

Let's see how jolly people are about that.

They'll be begging for "Happy Holidays".
Advent Nebula
21-12-2004, 07:33
This woman needs to go fuck herself.
Evinsia
21-12-2004, 07:35
MERRY CHRISTMAS

Really, what the ACLU has been trying to do is simple: Impose their Marxist beliefs on the majority of Americans, who belong to a Christian faith, by trying to amend the religious beliefs of the majority of Americans by making them afraid to tell others to enjoy the celebration of Christmas, which is one of the most important days of the year to Christians. By doing so, they can further their agenda to impose an Islamic theocracy upon the people of America. But many Americans are too unintelligent to see this agenda, mainly because of the Liberal indoctrination pumped out to the masses of Americans early in life by the public school system.

Any questions?
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 07:37
I say we change the standard greeting from November 15th - January 10th to "Go Fuck Yourself".

Let's see how jolly people are about that.

They'll be begging for "Happy Holidays".


Go Fuck Yourself. :)

And a Happy New Year!

Hmm.. not bad. It feels cleansing. I say we adopt it.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 07:39
MERRY CHRISTMAS

Really, what the ACLU has been trying to do is simple: Impose their Marxist beliefs on the majority of Americans, who belong to a Christian faith, by trying to amend the religious beliefs of the majority of Americans by making them afraid to tell others to enjoy the celebration of Christmas, which is one of the most important days of the year to Christians. By doing so, they can further their agenda to impose an Islamic theocracy upon the people of America. But many Americans are too unintelligent to see this agenda, mainly because of the Liberal indoctrination pumped out to the masses of Americans early in life by the public school system.

Any questions?
*CRYS*

Why must I be religiously associated with these people...

I say we change the standard greeting from November 15th - January 10th to "Go Fuck Yourself".

Let's see how jolly people are about that.

They'll be begging for "Happy Holidays".
...and politically associated with these?

I hate the world.
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 07:41
GO FUCK YOURSELF AND HAVE A DOG FUCK YOU UP THE ASS!

I am a member of the ACLU, and one you do not piss off.

Ha-ha.

You send lawyers money for no reason.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 07:45
Ha-ha.

You send lawyers money for no reason.
Lawyers have too much money already. We should slap an extra 20% income tax on lawyers.

Share-Our-Wealth!
Keruvalia
21-12-2004, 07:45
Ok look ... I'm gonna say this one more time ... and, hopefully, this will be the last time I will ever have to say this:

There is nothing wrong with "Merry Christmas" if it is, in fact, Christmas. Christmas falls on December 25th every year without fail. To say it on any other day is just stupid and shows your retardedness. Don't give me some crap about the "Christmas Season" either because that only implies the very secular retail season and not the traditional DAY of Christmas.

So ... December 25th ... Merry Christmas. Hoorah. To say it at any other time is just the Christians trying to force their agenda of tyrrany by majority on a naive and unsuspecting America. Fortunately, 99% of Americans are smart enough to read a calendar.

NOW! On to the other holidays.

If you see a guy with a kippah (yarmulka) and payos (side curls) and wearing talit, you can pretty much bet he's a Jew and saying "Merry Christmas" would just be rude. Well, not in the fundie Xtian sense because only they have the right to impose their beliefs and ideas on others and others just have to shut up and take it; otherwise the others are just trying to bash Xtianity.

Anyway ...

Here's a nice example conversation I had with a nice lady at Wal-Mart about a year ago:

*purchases made, cart loaded, about to pay and leave*
Clerk: "Merry Christmas!"
Me: "Thank you. Have a good holiday."
Clerk: "Yes. Christmas. You too."
Me: "Well ... I'm Jewish, but thank you."
Clerk: "Oh! Well then Happy Hanukkah!"
Me: "Hanukkah's been over for two weeks, but thank you."

It's a standard attitude. We ALL know when your holiday is, but you won't pay one wits worth of attention to when anyone else's is.

THAT is why the ACLU is constantly breathing down your neck. Not because they're trying to impose any sort of agenda on you, but because they want to protect people like me FROM your agenda imposing ass.

Now .... Go Fuck Yourself and have a Happy New Year.
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 07:46
Lawyers have too much money already. We should slap an extra 20% income tax on lawyers.

Share-Our-Wealth!

If he wants to mail money to lawyers, that's his business. I don't see why we should penalize the lawyers.

I would take his tax deduction off him though.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 07:48
If he wants to mail money to lawyers, that's his business. I don't see why we should penalize the lawyers.

I would take his tax deduction off him though.
People get a tax deduction for belonging to the ACLU?

That's like me getting a tax deduction for my membership of the New Democratic Party.

The world seems a stupider place every single day.
Keruvalia
21-12-2004, 07:49
*CRYS*

Why must I be religiously associated with these people...



By choice, silly!

...and politically associated with these?

I hate the world.

By choice, silly!


Now ... anyway ... I'm serious. Try it on for size. Next time you're out and about, tell a random stranger, "Go fuck yourself and a happy new year!"

You'd be amazed.
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 07:50
Ok look ... I'm gonna say this one more time ... and, hopefully, this will be the last time I will ever have to say this:

There is nothing wrong with "Merry Christmas" if it is, in fact, Christmas. Christmas falls on December 25th every year without fail. To say it on any other day is just stupid and shows your retardedness. Don't give me some crap about the "Christmas Season" either because that only implies the very secular retail season and not the traditional DAY of Christmas.

So ... December 25th ... Merry Christmas. Hoorah. To say it at any other time is just the Christians trying to force their agenda of tyrrany by majority on a naive and unsuspecting America. Fortunately, 99% of Americans are smart enough to read a calendar.

NOW! On to the other holidays.

If you see a guy with a kippah (yarmulka) and payos (side curls) and wearing talit, you can pretty much bet he's a Jew and saying "Merry Christmas" would just be rude. Well, not in the fundie Xtian sense because only they have the right to impose their beliefs and ideas on others and others just have to shut up and take it; otherwise the others are just trying to bash Xtianity.

Anyway ...

Here's a nice example conversation I had with a nice lady at Wal-Mart about a year ago:

*purchases made, cart loaded, about to pay and leave*
Clerk: "Merry Christmas!"
Me: "Thank you. Have a good holiday."
Clerk: "Yes. Christmas. You too."
Me: "Well ... I'm Jewish, but thank you."
Clerk: "Oh! Well then Happy Hanukkah!"
Me: "Hanukkah's been over for two weeks, but thank you."

It's a standard attitude. We ALL know when your holiday is, but you won't pay one wits worth of attention to when anyone else's is.

THAT is why the ACLU is constantly breathing down your neck. Not because they're trying to impose any sort of agenda on you, but because they want to protect people like me FROM your agenda imposing ass.

Now .... Go Fuck Yourself and have a Happy New Year.


I don't have time to learn those backward lunar calanders.

I say we just stick with your Go Fuck Yourself plan. It's simple and efficient.
Keruvalia
21-12-2004, 07:52
I don't have time to learn those backward lunar calanders.

I say we just stick with your Go Fuck Yourself plan. It's simple and efficient.

Exactly! :D Everybody wins.
Pythagosaurus
21-12-2004, 07:52
There are two options:

1. Get God out of Christmas.

2. Get the government out of Christmas.

As long as Christmas is a federal holiday, we atheists will do whatever we want to it. Happy solstice.
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 07:53
People get a tax deduction for belonging to the ACLU?

That's like me getting a tax deduction for my membership of the New Democratic Party.

The world seems a stupider place every single day.

Yes, I too was amazed that it was a 403(c). I'm trying to start my own, so people can send me money.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 07:54
Now ... anyway ... I'm serious. Try it on for size. Next time you're out and about, tell a random stranger, "Go fuck yourself and a happy new year!"
I don't think I could bring myself to do that. This is what I get for being from Canada.

And I wouldn't describe myself as "silly", but then again, maybe some would. But certainly not for my political/religious views, which seem to defy everyone involved by their sheer scarcity.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 07:56
There are two options:

1. Get God out of Christmas.

2. Get the government out of Christmas.

As long as Christmas is a federal holiday, we athiests will do whatever we want to it. Happy solstice.
The United States is, at least in name, a democracy. And democracy is mob rule, as Plato put it. So basically, whatever the majority wants goes.

The majority of the American population is Christian - like, overwhelmingly. So until that changes, Christmas will be a federal holiday.

Merry Christmas.
Advent Nebula
21-12-2004, 07:58
Merry Christmas.

Go fuck yourself and have a Happy New Year.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 08:01
Go fuck yourself and have a Happy New Year.
And a Grande Olde April Fool's Day to you, because that's what you are. Took.
Pythagosaurus
21-12-2004, 08:03
The United States is, at least in name, a democracy. And democracy is mob rule, as Plato put it. So basically, whatever the majority wants goes.

The majority of the American population is Christian - like, overwhelmingly. So until that changes, Christmas will be a federal holiday.

Merry Christmas.
No. Anarchy is mob rule. The US favors the majority while protecting the minority. I don't know how many times we'll have to tell you this in order for it to sink in.
Pythagosaurus
21-12-2004, 08:04
And the US isn't a democracy.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 08:08
No. Anarchy is mob rule. The US favors the majority while protecting the minority. I don't know how many times we'll have to tell you this in order for it to sink in.
Have you even read Plato?

And if the States isn't a democracy, then it's obviously a plutocracy ruled by rich Christian white men. In which case, Christmas is a federal holiday because the arseholes in charge said it was.

And by favouring the majority, they made Christmas a federal holiday. Duh.

By your own logic - you're wrong. Either way.
Evinsia
21-12-2004, 08:09
And the US isn't a democracy.
No, it isn't. It's a REPUBLIC. So it's plain to see why the majority of Americans are REPUBLICANS.
Advent Nebula
21-12-2004, 08:10
The U.S. is a Republic. Take politiocal science in college and you find that out.
Annotationia
21-12-2004, 08:11
I was raised in a Christian household, am still a devote believer in Santa Claus, The first time I had sex was with a "nice jewish boy", I'm leaning toward a pagan belief system now, and my best friend is a gay athiest. No I'm not joking! I really don't care what you call it. . . As far as I'm concerned as long as I get a couple of paid days off of work in December ya'll can "Go Fuck Yourself and have a Happy New Year"

:upyours:
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 08:12
No, it isn't. It's a REPUBLIC. So it's plain to see why the majority of Americans are REPUBLICANS.
Actually, only like 30% of American voters voted Republican. That's not even counting those who can't vote. You're wrong.
Klington
21-12-2004, 08:12
GO FUCK YOURSELF AND HAVE A DOG FUCK YOU UP THE ASS!

I am a member of the ACLU, and one you do not piss off.


OH! Big tough guy now, what are you gonna do have an anti-religious protest in front of our houses?
Keruvalia
21-12-2004, 08:13
No, it isn't. It's a REPUBLIC. So it's plain to see why the majority of Americans are REPUBLICANS.

Actually, going by the numbers of the last election, less than 60 million Americans are Republicans. Far from a majority.
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 08:13
ACLU members are funny, because they are always crying.
Keruvalia
21-12-2004, 08:14
I also think that as Americans we can all agree on a fundamental belief in getting presents.
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 08:14
I was raised in a Christian household, am still a devote believer in Santa Claus, The first time I had sex was with a "nice jewish boy", I'm leaning toward a pagan belief system now, and my best friend is a gay athiest. No I'm not joking! I really don't care what you call it. . . As far as I'm concerned as long as I get a couple of paid days off of work in December ya'll can "Go Fuck Yourself and have a Happy New Year"

:upyours:

Good point. Go Fuck Yourself and have a Happy New Year too.
Pythagosaurus
21-12-2004, 08:16
I also think that as Americans we can all agree on a fundamental belief in getting presents.
I don't.
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 08:16
I also think that as Americans we can all agree on a fundamental belief in getting presents.

That is the most important aspect of any major american holiday.

Personally I was always envious of the jewish kids, who technically get eight days worth or something. Imagine how much we could boost the economy if we all converted.

But I still refuse to learn any lunar calender, so something will have to be done to standardize the dates.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 08:18
I also think that as Americans we can all agree on a fundamental belief in getting presents.
This is why the capitalist system continues to work in modern America.
Advent Nebula
21-12-2004, 08:18
OH! Big tough guy now, what are you gonna do have an anti-religious protest in front of our houses?

I am a Buddhist ass hole.
Klington
21-12-2004, 08:19
Yeah your all wrong, its a Democratic Republic. Because we have congress-which is representative and we have a president-which is more republic. We are more Republic than democratic, but we are still a Democratic Republic.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 08:19
I am a Buddhist ass hole.
Then an anti-God protest?
[/SARCASM]
Advent Nebula
21-12-2004, 08:20
ACLU members are funny, because they are always crying.

Kiss my shinny white ass.
Klington
21-12-2004, 08:20
I am a Buddhist ass hole.

My point stands. Buddhists dont normally swear like you do though, having trouble on the path to Nirvana I see?
Synner
21-12-2004, 08:23
...only in America...the land where stupid Law begins. Common sense - RIP
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 08:23
Kiss my shinny white ass.

Well, that's a fairly racists remark for a purported ACLU member. (On many levels).

I notice you didn't say skinny ass either. So I must now conclude that you are morbidly obese. Like the rest of the bitter folk at the ACLU.
Advent Nebula
21-12-2004, 08:23
I only sware when I am pissed off or drunk.
Advent Nebula
21-12-2004, 08:25
I notice you didn't say skinny ass either. So I must now conclude that you are morbidly obese. Like the rest of the bitter folk at the ACLU.

Fuck You. I am only 160 lbs, and I am 5'11.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 08:25
I only sware when I am pissed off or drunk.
I thought Buddhism was about getting beyond anger and materialism and achieving Enlightenment, not losing control.
Klington
21-12-2004, 08:26
I only sware when I am pissed off or drunk.

Pissed off? Thats not something a buddhist would do, are you just begining? Because you definatly are still thinking on 'self' terms.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 08:26
Fuck You. I am only 160 lbs, and I am 5'11.
And I'm 6'3 and 150 lbs. So I win the skinny contest.

Seriously, man, calm down. There's no point in getting angry.
Advent Nebula
21-12-2004, 08:27
I thought Buddhism was about getting beyond anger and materialism and achieving Enlightenment, not losing control.

I am back in anger mangement so kiss my ass. *drinks another beer*
Klington
21-12-2004, 08:27
I thought Buddhism was about getting beyond anger and materialism and achieving Enlightenment, not losing control.

It is, this guys BSing us.
International Terrans
21-12-2004, 08:29
It is, this guys BSing us.
I assumed as much. In which case, off to sleep for me it is. G'night, people, and try to avoid a flamewar.
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 08:30
Fuck You. I am only 160 lbs, and I am 5'11.

1. You are way too sensitive about that, which only further confirms my earlier suspicion. I'm guessing actually 260lbs and 5'4.

2. If you really were an ACLU member you would be using metric not Lbs and feet. That is what the ACLU believes in.

3. Inevitably you have started to whine - as do all ACLU members ultimately.
Annotationia
21-12-2004, 08:32
. . . That's it, I'm starting my own holiday
The Black Forrest
21-12-2004, 08:42
Fuck You. I am only 160 lbs, and I am 5'11.

Relax buddy, Laca likes pushing buttons. It's not worth it.

If he really belives what he spews. It's not worth it.
Lacadaemon
21-12-2004, 08:48
It's true. One of my threads is up in the stickies about "what not to do".

I am so glad I have made a positive contribution to the forum.
The Black Forrest
21-12-2004, 08:53
It's true. One of my threads is up in the stickies about "what not to do".

I am so glad I have made a positive contribution to the forum.

Someday I might achieve such an honor! :p

It takes skill to do that an not get the boot! ;)
New Fubaria
21-12-2004, 08:57
I say we change the standard greeting from November 15th - January 10th to "Go Fuck Yourself".

Let's see how jolly people are about that.

They'll be begging for "Happy Holidays".I really, really hope that catches on...:p
Bitter Dregs
21-12-2004, 09:20
>snip<

Really, what the ACLU has been trying to do is simple: Impose their Marxist beliefs on the majority of Americans, who belong to a Christian faith, by trying to amend the religious beliefs of the majority of Americans by making them afraid to tell others to enjoy the celebration of Christmas, which is one of the most important days of the year to Christians. By doing so, they can further their agenda to impose an Islamic theocracy upon the people of America. But many Americans are too unintelligent to see this agenda, mainly because of the Liberal indoctrination pumped out to the masses of Americans early in life by the public school system.

Any questions?
Only one.

Just how much lead paint was in that house you grew up in?
Dostanuot Loj
21-12-2004, 09:24
And I'm 6'3 and 150 lbs. So I win the skinny contest.

Seriously, man, calm down. There's no point in getting angry.

5'10 and 130lbs, so I win the skinny contest.


Anyway.. back to the subject.

I have to seriously disagree with the article, I utterly despise the constant "Merry Christmas"es I get from people, regardless of my non-Christian-ness.
And I REALLY hate the attempted corrections to "Happy Present Day" when I say it, because that is the holliday I celebrate on Dec.25th, not the birth of some guy who everyone loves.

I fully support the "Fuck you and Happy New Years" movement.. minus the New Years.. mine is in March-April area.
Hammolopolis
21-12-2004, 09:44
2. If you really were an ACLU member you would be using metric not Lbs and feet. That is what the ACLU believes in.

No they don't, its usually just those fucking scientists. God damn chemists, physicists and engineers trying to use a logical system of units to work with!

Also: Yes it is Christmas time, but its alot of other things too. So what makes christians special?
Sdaeriji
21-12-2004, 09:50
I wish I led the kind of life where my greatest concern was whether people said "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Birthday", instead of, you know, earning enough money to eat. That would be pretty cool.
Cannot think of a name
21-12-2004, 10:04
Since this is obviously a ridiculous(sp). I was talking to a friend about this and he became pissed, saying "It's not like saying Happy Holidays exludes Christmas, it's not Happy Every Holdiay but Christmas...That's it, they're gettin' pissed at this? Fine,--"

and this cracked me the hell up-

"From now on I'm saying Merry Not-Christmas."

I think I may too.
The Alma Mater
21-12-2004, 10:22
I don't see the problem. The date of Christmas has most likely nothing to do with the actual date of birth of Jesus- so why would people need to be forced to pretend it is by actually calling it Christmas ?

Let X-mas be a day to say thanks for what we have and think of the people who have less. Leave it up to the person if they wish to include G-d, JHWH, Allah, Morrigan, Jupiter, Wodan, the burning shrubbery nder the great donut in the sky, their fellow men or random fluctuations in the space-time continuum in this.
Goed Twee
21-12-2004, 10:55
It's retarded. Christians think they own this part of december. WHen really, it's Mithras'. Dicks.