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I feel i needed to reiterate this in light of this: http://godlikeproductions.com/news/item.php?keyid=8174&category=36&scategory=0&PHPSESSID=f7da71e433853cd179a8e0995528d3cf

Wow, he is calling the obviously least caring man in politics a "carring fellow. This man is a danger to himself and anyone around him, and now the world since a bunch of other idiotic fundamentalists kept him in office. He is completely and totally governed by his emotions and how he "feels" about people. Remember, the next communsit dictator of Russia is doing a "good job" (that should've clued off anyone listening [which was apparently only me] that he is a nutjob), and he appointed his prayer buddy who is a caniving, moronic bitch to the office of the only sane man in the administration who quit because he knew he was fucked to continue being associated with these wackos. Everyone in the adminsitration is appoitned and judged by their religious morals and backgrounds instead of their ability and world views and records. The head of the "We are fundamentalist christians who hate people who arnt christians" magazine is being appointed to the FDA's, the very powerful government oirganization under the thumb of big business's money, reproductive board. oh goody. Another fundamentalist wacko is being appointed to the position of department of naziness who wrote a paper saying torture is a good thing, as long as it isnt used on me.

Why the hell doesn't some one assassinate this emotional buffoon? The longer he stays in control the further danger this country is in.


sidenote: i bet if you shine a blacklight at him you can see the strings attached to his limbs

I predict a visit from the feds in your future.

Why the hell doesn't some one assassinate this emotional buffoon?


I like your thinking.

To any Americans who voted Kerry, my condolences.

It's about time there was some harsh critisism of the president on the internet!

Why the hell doesn't some one assassinate this emotional buffoon?
You wouldn't believe the number of suggestions along these lines I've heard. I think it is a serious possibility.

As much as I dislike Bush, you are going beyond what I consider acceptible prose there Chess.

He is, after all the democraticly elected leader of his country, even if he is a weasely hypocrite who four years ago was saying that the popular vote didn't matter - the electoral college was the thing - but this year aparently it's an all-important mandate of political capital.....

I predict a visit from the feds in your future.
yay maybe i can have a 3 hour interrogation from the thought police

As much as I dislike Bush, you are going beyond what I consider acceptible prose there Chess.

He is, after all the democraticly elected leader of his country, even if he is a weasely hypocrite who four years ago was saying that the popular vote didn't matter - the electoral college was the thing - but this year aparently it's an all-important mandate of political capital.....
democratically elected is quite a disputed point

with all of the vote and registration tampering by the republicans, there is no telling who actually "democratically" won the election truthfully. he is the "supposed" democratically elected leader

I feel i needed to reiterate this in light of this: http://godlikeproductions.com/news/item.php?keyid=8174&category=36&scategory=0&PHPSESSID=f7da71e433853cd179a8e0995528d3cf

Wow, he is calling the obviously least caring man in politics a "carring fellow. This man is a danger to himself and anyone around him, and now the world since a bunch of other idiotic fundamentalists kept him in office. He is completely and totally governed by his emotions and how he "feels" about people. Remember, the next communsit dictator of Russia is doing a "good job" (that should've clued off anyone listening [which was apparently only me] that he is a nutjob), and he appointed his prayer buddy who is a caniving, moronic bitch to the office of the only sane man in the administration who quit because he knew he was fucked to continue being associated with these wackos. Everyone in the adminsitration is appoitned and judged by their religious morals and backgrounds instead of their ability and world views and records. The head of the "We are fundamentalist christians who hate people who arnt christians" magazine is being appointed to the FDA's, the very powerful government oirganization under the thumb of big business's money, reproductive board. oh goody. Another fundamentalist wacko is being appointed to the position of department of naziness who wrote a paper saying torture is a good thing, as long as it isnt used on me.

Why the hell doesn't some one assassinate this emotional buffoon? The longer he stays in control the further danger this country is in.


sidenote: i bet if you shine a blacklight at him you can see the strings attached to his limbs



I understand how you reached your viewpoint, but please: more facts, less babble.

You wouldn't believe the number of suggestions along these lines I've heard. I think it is a serious possibility.
no one will do it, i dont care, but it feels so much better to say it

I understand how you reached your viewpoint, but please: more facts, less babble.
the title of the thread is "Bush. Is. An. Idiot." not "my reason for bush being a moron"

no one will do it, i dont care, but it feels so much better to say it
I've been saying this several times myself.

He is, after all the democraticly elected leader of his country...

Except for the fact that he stole the 2000 election. But nevermind that.


Why, oh why can't the American people be more like the Ukranians?

yay maybe i can have a 3 hour interrogation from the thought police


Seriously - they can come to your house and talk to you. Didn't you hear about the teen on Livejoural who posted that she wanted to kill George W. Bush (kidding), and the Feds came to her door? Poor lass, she is roughly 16 and the FBI has a file on her.

yay maybe i can have a 3 hour interrogation from the thought police
Amen to that.

I always wondered what the deal was with the US election system. Havent you Americans been talking about whether it needs to be changed?

Shady Bush elections aside (If i remember Channel 4 news with Jon Snow correctly...), each state has a population-based number of points to it, and if, say, one candidate gets 49.9%, while the other gets 50.1%, ALL the points are given to the majority, even though the difference is nearly miniscule.

Surely itd be a better representation to distribute those points out in proportion to the votes? Or am i missing something?

Boo yah...Bush is a moron! He makes up words in his speeches. Please, tell me what the hell 'Misunderestimated' mean? Please, tell me!

Except for the fact that he stole the 2000 election. But nevermind that.


Why, oh why can't the American people be more like the Ukranians?
Yes, its too bad he didn't allow recounts to go on in only four heavily democratic counties.

Even though later recounts have shown that the end result would have been the same.

Or are you talking about Palast's theory, which has sent demand for tin skyrocketing?

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Why the hell doesn't some one assassinate this emotional buffoon? The longer he stays in control the further danger this country is in.



Good idea

In fact why dont we go around the world killing leaders we don't like
and replace with leaders who agree with our beliefs


That will really make us look like the "Crusaders of Democracy"

Come on

I don't like Bush.....but violence isn't the answer.

Boo yah...Bush is a moron! He makes up words in his speeches. Please, tell me what the hell 'Misunderestimated' mean? Please, tell me!
I dunno. But the problem with the French is that they don't even have a word for entrepeneur.

Boo yah...Bush is a moron! He makes up words in his speeches. Please, tell me what the hell 'Misunderestimated' mean? Please, tell me!
underestimate incorrectly?

Boo yah...Bush is a moron! He makes up words in his speeches. Please, tell me what the hell 'Misunderestimated' mean? Please, tell me!
It would be funnier if you spelled everything right yourself when you're trying to make fun of Bush.

Kwangistar - Recounts my ass. The election was rigged so that tens of thousands of people were not allowed to vote. A recount would not have accomplished anything. A re-vote, free of electoral fraud and perhaps monitored by international observers might just have made a difference.

I don't like Bush.....but violence isn't the answer.
No. All he really needs is a hug. Lets start a petition to get people to go to the White House to hug him.

Good idea

In fact why dont we go around the world killing leaders we don't like
and replace with leaders who agree with our beliefs


That will really make us look like the "Crusaders of Democracy"

Come on

I don't like Bush.....but violence isn't the answer.
yeah like taking out saddham and replacing him with a us puppet, that would be an unnacceptable thing to do there...oh wait...

Recounts my ass. The election was rigged so that tens of thousands of people were not allowed to vote. A recount would not have accomplished anything. A re-vote, free of electoral fraud and perhaps monitered by international observers might just have made a difference.
Tens of thousands of felons, maybe...

The problem with a re-vote is that people who originally voted for third parties could then change their vote, knowing that their candidate would not come close to the 5% goal.

no one will do it, i dont care, but it feels so much better to say it


Ya true everybody is just talk nobody would actually do it

Yes, its too bad he didn't allow recounts to go on in only four heavily democratic counties.

Even though later recounts have shown that the end result would have been the same.

Or are you talking about Palast's theory, which has sent demand for tin skyrocketing?

How about the "felons" that were invented conveniently by the elections officials? Or the blockades that stopped people from voting in strongly liberal parts of Florida... Did you think about those?

How about the "felons" that were invented conveniently by the elections officials? Or the blockades that stopped people from voting in strongly liberal parts of Florida... Did you think about those?
I think they're made up, mostly. :rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is the small amount of incorrectly listed felons were offset by the fact that many counties didn't even use the lists at all.

Tens of thousands of felons, maybe...

Perhaps some were criminals but the Republicans cast a wide net to catch these felons knowing full well that many others would be swept up as well. In fact that was probably another motivating factor.

Even if all of the people were, in fact, felons that point is irrelevant. Or are you of the opinion that criminals cannot be reformed and should therefore be denied the basic democratic right of voting? If you are then there's zero point of me continuing this debate. I know a pointless argument when I see one.

according to my source there were some 50,000 "felons"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000

Perhaps some were criminals but the Republicans cast a wide net to catch these felons knowing full well that many others would be swept up as well. In fact that was probably another motivating factor.

Even if all of the people were, in fact, felons that point is irrelevant. Or are you of the opinion that criminals cannot be reformed and should therefore be denied the basic democratic right of voting? If you are then there's zero point of me continuing this debate. I know a pointless argument when I see one.
No, I don't think that criminals can't be reformed.

That dosen't mean, however, that they should get all of their rights back right when they are released into society. Its really the decision of the people of Florida, however, not myself.

Bush can't run a nation. The second Great Drepression anyone?

according to my source there were some 50,000 "felons"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000
Its nice to know that wikipedia is the best you can do. I can't even find what you're talking about.

Bush can't run a nation. The second Great Drepression anyone?
You're right, 5.4% unemployment. Its just like 1930.

I deleted it but I'll put it back. It is someone's work, after all.

However the point is that I could write whatever I want on wikipedia, and theres nothing to hold me back. I could say on a page about the War in Iraq that the insurgency has totally died down, but it hasn't.

No, I don't think that criminals can't be reformed.

That dosen't mean, however, that they should get all of their rights back right when they are released into society. Its really the decision of the people of Florida, however, not myself.

What about the some 8,000 voters who had convictions in other states but not in Florida?

Here are some relevant quotes from good ol' wikipedia:

57,746 voters were listed as felons on a "scrub list" and removed from the voting rolls, but later analysis shows that many were incorrectly listed. (For instance, many had names similar to actual felons, and some erroneously listed felonies were dated years in the future). These persons were disproportionately Democrats of African-American and Hispanic descent. In some cases, those on the scrub list were given several months to appeal, and many successfully reregistered and were allowed to vote. However, in many cases no effort was made to contact them before the election.

In November 2001, after conducting an unofficial recount of Florida’s ballots, the news outlets discovered that if all legally cast votes had been counted - regardless of the standard used for evaluating chads - Gore won.

Now, you may not want to take this as gospel, I can understand that. But I would challenge you to come up with counter-arguments that don't come from a right-wing source.

Both of the Major Political Parties in America need to roll over into a grave and die.

Soilcalism anyone?

Both of the Major Political Parties in America need to roll over into a grave and die.

Soilcalism anyone?

"Soilcalism"? Haha! Priceless. :D

What about the some 8,000 voters who had convictions in other states but not in Florida?According to the Supreme Court, a released felon's voting status is determined by the state in which he or she was convicted, not the state in which he or she resides after his or her release. In other words, Florida can't deny a felon the right to vote if that felon's voting rights were restored (or never removed in a couple of states). I should say, they aren't supposed to--they're under a consent order from a federal judge for just that practice. It's illegal to do so, plain and simple.

Both of the Major Political Parties in America need to roll over into a grave and die.



Oh, stop making me dream. Elections are all about choosing the lesser evil as it is.

Easily.

First, the recount issue. I hope CNN isn't too right-wing for you. People can't post whatever they want on it, either.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html]Here

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.

The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news media companies, including CNN.

On the scrub thing, there's no doubt that felons were not allowed to vote. I'm not going to dispute that. During previous elections, that rule had been weakly enforced. The snippet from wikipedia gives no actual numbers besides the overall number, simply leaving the real number of the supposedly wronged people out. The real question is :
Did the actual number of people who were not able to vote* exceed those who wrongly did because of non-enforcement of the lists, as well as the margin of victory?

*But should have been able to

What about the some 8,000 voters who had convictions in other states but not in Florida?
If you actually care to read your article, look a little further down and..

These 8,000 were later removed from the list following a story by the Palm Beach Post.

Wow man. That title was annoying.

Content's cool though.

Bush governs the United States not through his 'emotions', as you claim, but through a "personal relationship with God", as he stated in an interview. Although I can hardly tell which is worse, I suppose I would rather have an emotional leader who makes decisions on a whim rather than a leader who claims to derive his policy directly from god.

Oh my, are some Democrats going to hold on to 2000 the same way that some republicans still try and pind everything on Clinton - even during the period when they controlled the house?


Yes, there was a list of 57,000+ felons. Yes there were doubtless enough false positives that could have swayed the election had they all voted Democrat AND all voted. And yes, there was much other electoral hanky-panky that went on in Florida

Kwang, you can read the relevant government doc on the investigation into irregularities here (http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/ch5.htm)

It wasn't pretty.... including cases like in Monroe County when a supervisor of elections employee, the spouse of another supervisor of elections, and the father of Harry Sawyer, the supervisor of elections, were all listed as potential felons. Clearly there were problems with the list.

Frankly, I thought that it should have been a clear case of conflict of interest for Katherine Harris to be both the head of elections in Florida as well as the head of the Committee to Elect Bush, but this was allowed anyway.

Bush governs the United States not through his 'emotions', as you claim, but through a "personal relationship with God", as he stated in an interview. Although I can hardly tell which is worse, I suppose I would rather have an emotional leader who makes decisions on a whim rather than a leader who claims to derive his policy directly from god.

And theres a good chance a lot of Americans actually believe that. Why, pray you ask? Well.....id hate to state national stereotypes.....

It's about time there was some harsh critisism of the president on the internet!

<3!!

@ Kwang - If we're going to play the "Keep Reading Game" then you should look at this:
714 Illinoisans and 990 Ohioans were added in the same fashion and not removed.

Still, we're debating a recount for some reason even though I clearly stated that's not what I would have wanted anyway. A re-vote was necessary. If anything your CNN article has convinced me more of that.

And. You. Did. Nothing. (except eat)

And. You. Did. Nothing. (except eat)
wow, you think of that all by yourself?
oh wait, no you didnt. ive seen it dozens of times, that means you are a subintelligent little dipshit who cant think of anything even HALF INTELLIGENT to post so you gotta look like a moron and go trolling. hoping to catch a goat?
i hope you choke on a horn and die

Yes, its too bad he didn't allow recounts to go on in only four heavily democratic counties.

Even though later recounts have shown that the end result would have been the same.

Or are you talking about Palast's theory, which has sent demand for tin skyrocketing?

Had nothing to do with the recounts, had to do with the fraud by the Florida republican party, Katherine Harris and her ilk. Yes, Al Gore DID win the election in 2000. As many times as people say he didn't they refuse to accept the facts and the huge amount of evidence that there is out there of just how they did it. They committed fraud, there is no two ways about it. If people wish to wear a blind-fold to what happened in Florida in 2000 that's fine. However I feel until the US truly addresses the problem, in the words of Greg Palast, American will continue to be "The best democracy money can buy!"

wow, you think of that all by yourself?
oh wait, no you didnt. ive seen it dozens of times, that means you are a subintelligent little dipshit who cant think of anything even HALF INTELLIGENT to post so you gotta look like a moron and go trolling. hoping to catch a goat?
i hope you choke on a horn and die

Hmm. If you ask me, this whole thread is an emotional diatribe intended as a troll.

You keep saying (in this and other threads) that Bush is bad, evil, etc. Point taken (even if we don't all agree with you, and we don't have to). In fact, I bet I could post as Chess Squares without any trouble because it's about all you say.

So what do you think could be done about the fact that Bush is in power for the next four years? With a plurality in both houses? Rationally speaking, that is?

If you look at a district by district voting map of the US, the blue areas are isolated islands of urban dwellers. Most of the suburbs even went for Bush. Granted, the popular vote overall was quite narrow, but in most of these blue or red areas, the vote was not so close. So, you're going to be calling everyone in those areas idiots, dipshits, and morons. That's an intelligent approach, and I'm sure it will make them change their minds overnight and march on Washington to protest the election.

It's not enough to rant, you have to actually do something in this world.

No he's right. Let's end this politically correctness era and let's call an idiot an idiot, since he is an idiot.
You can say he lacks some knowledge and understanding, but at the end of the day he is an idiot.

Its your idea , oh mighty bright ho, why dont you go buy a gun and do your own dirty work?

Its your idea , oh mighty bright ho, why dont you go buy a gun and do your own dirty work?

http://softlyrant.blogspot.com

Here's one for you.

democratically elected is quite a disputed point

with all of the vote and registration tampering by the republicans, there is no telling who actually "democratically" won the election truthfully. he is the "supposed" democratically elected leader
Goodness CS, have your corporeal vessel been possessed by the spirit of MKULTRA?

Goodness CS, have your corporeal vessel been possessed by the spirit of MKULTRA?

There are subtle differences. MKULTRA was not as prone to emotional displays. I think he actually believed the conspiracies. Chess is more on the outrage end of things.

The idea of Bush being assassinated isn't appealing to me despite my concern for his policies.

He's an moron to be sure, but think of the outcome if he were killed ...

Cheney as President! NOT a pleasant thought or any improvement whatsoever.

Yes. He. Is.

Threads like this are the reason that democratic party in America is becoming irrelevant. Keep up the good work please.

Threads like this are the reason that democratic party in America is becoming irrelevant. Keep up the good work please.
not enuf threads like this in the mainstream democratic party is the reason the dems are failing

To any Americans who voted Kerry, my condolences.

To any Americans who voted for Kerry... move to Cuba.

America is being taken back by the middle class. Hopefully the lazy among the poor (since many are hard workers..) will get the picture and get off their arses.

We'll tax THEM less, too... but hopefulyl we can stem this tide of socialism that started with Roosevelt 70ish years ago. (Actually another Dem, Woodrow Wilson, ushered in the income tax)

Cut off a chunk of the damn bureaucracy and all the programs we don't need (or cut some of their funding).

Big government sucks the money out of people's wallets... which means we've got less to invest with, to buy with... and everyone with a brain knows that helping business helps the working man in turn. Conversely, HURTING business HURTS the working man. If your business is forced to shut down, you lose your job, right?

Keep taxes low and government small. This is an American axiom that goes back to the founding of our country and in the past 70ish years has been seriously challenged by Liberalism/Socialism.

I am in favor of freedom... and financial freedom is a very key slice of the freedom pie.

To each his own. If you want to work somewhere and earn $10 an hour, you should be able to do that and keep nearly all of your income.

If you are ambitious and want to start your own business, you ought to be able to do that without being fettered by a greedy government and its social agenda.

This is the American Dream and is a large part of what makes my country great.

Our success is not infringed upon by 70% income taxes (who the hell would want to start a business in such a punitive country).

Unfortunately we had some bad business practices a while back and unions were introduced, and business still struggles with unions... (i won't go there now... you can probably imagine what I think of workers' unions. hehe)

But by and large, entrepreneurialism is fostered.

Now if only we could get these damn pinko-commie-liberals to realize that the rich man is generally GOOD for this country because of all that he creates for workers and for companies (and hence our economy) ... if the libs can stop hating the rich man... stop wanting to punish success (think of how that affects the American Dream...)... maybe we can get back to being the ideal America.

We need to see each other as people, not colors/ethnicities.. racism cannot end when it is legislated. Laws cannot end racism, for it is an idea. Certainly laws that encourage racism... cannot end racism. lol

We need to value FREEDOM above all else (to me, that means i get to do, more or less, what I want to with what I've got).

Proprietorship needs to be respected: what is yours is yours. This goes along with the freedom edict. Get out of my hair, government! Let me do my thing. Leave me alone! Get your hand out of my pocket!

blah blah blah

I understand the propensity for people who do not have.. to want. But I say, go and do for yourself (if you are physically and mentally able). This is the good old Protestant work ethic.

lol. i'm having a bad day at work, btw, so don't be too harsh.

The idea of Bush being assassinated isn't appealing to me despite my concern for his policies.

He's an moron to be sure, but think of the outcome if he were killed ...

Cheney as President! NOT a pleasant thought or any improvement whatsoever.
Come now, you don't think Cheney already is? Bush is a figure head. Cheney rules America.

To any Americans who voted for Kerry... move to Cuba.
Is Castro less of a dictator than Bush? Really?

"Is Castro less of a dictator than Bush? Really?"

Uhhh, lol. Try: Castro is a communist dictator while Bush is a MAJORITY-ELECTED executive of a bicameral national government.

Think you'd be happier in Cuba. You could sit on the couch and live off another man's work. (actually, you can do it here, too. lol)

;)

what is fragland smoking, but then i look at his post count and realise he is just a lamer neocon talking piece and ignore it

"Is Castro less of a dictator than Bush? Really?"

Uhhh, lol. Try: Castro is a communist dictator while Bush is a MAJORITY-ELECTED executive of a bicameral national government.

Think you'd be happier in Cuba. You could sit on the couch and live off another man's work. (actually, you can do it here, too. lol)

;)
But see we didn't vote for Kerry because he was a communist. There is a Communist party in America. I forget who was running but we would have voted for them if we wanted that.

I was saying we chose Kerry and like him because he was less about a dictatorship and more about choice and freedom.

Bush is less than Kerry so if Cuba is another choice like Kerry than Bush must be a dictator.

If I am down to Bush as a Dictator as you said, and Cuba which was Bush lite...
Then Bush lite is the beter choice.

So I repeat the question: Is Castro less of a dictator than Bush? Really?
Thank you :)

Fragland; the biggest fallacy with what your saying is that your basing all that on the assumption that a person or business with more money will spend it. The middle and lower class's will more likely spend any increase in free income they get by tax breaks, as will small business's. But unfortunatly the people more drastically effected by a tax cut would be rich folks and big business,, both of which are more likely to invest the money in a bank account than spend it. Did you know for many large business's they will not spend money on a project unless they will be paybacked (so to speak) within months. To take what I've heard on the pulp and paper industry, in the last 4 years it has gone from 18 months to payback the investment (eg. I give you $100,000 today, and at the end of 18months I have it all back) to anywhere from 2weeks to 6months (I've heard numbers ranging that entire span, but 2 or 3 months seems very common) which is quite rediculous to expect.
Also don't be bashing unions, they are their to protect the worker's and ensure they get paid consitently and have good working conditions. And to further my point on big business not spending more money when they have more, the company I work for, has been fighting with the union for a year and a bit now over contract disputes, which basically center around the union wanting a cost of living increase and retroactive pay (to the begining of the contract dispute), while the company is saying no. Even tho the company is reporting Record Profits and Revenue.
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But see we didn't vote for Kerry because he was a communist. There is a Communist party in America. I forget who was running but we would have voted for them if we wanted that.

I was saying we chose Kerry and like him because he was less about a dictatorship and more about choice and freedom.

Bush is less than Kerry so if Cuba is another choice like Kerry than Bush must be a dictator.

If I am down to Bush as a Dictator as you said, and Cuba which was Bush lite...
Then Bush lite is the beter choice.

So I repeat the question: Is Castro less of a dictator than Bush? Really?
Thank you :)

I'll make this as simple as you did. Castro is a dictator, Bush is not, not even close.

what is fragland smoking, but then i look at his post count and realise he is just a lamer neocon talking piece and ignore it
I looked at yours, and realized 5,026 posts doesn't mean except that you have a lot of short, pointless statements, like the one above. Think how many fewer posts you'd have if you got off your butt and voted once in awhile, instead of eating.

I don't have a problem with him being an idiot. An idiot isn't necessarily an evildoer http://www.online-literature.com/dostoevsky/idiot/ . I don't have a problem with him being an alcoholic either: so was Churchill (and many other leaders, less admirable but not too dangerous). I don't have a problem with him having likely a neurologic ailment: Reagan had Alzheimer but did not start WWIII, whatever one may think of him.
I have a problem with him being a religious fundamentalist and a liar and a war criminal whose place is on an international court of justice and not at the head of a hyperpower. I have a problem with him being highly dangerous and a threat for world stability.

Think how many fewer posts you'd have if you got off your butt and voted once in awhile, instead of eating.

How can you vote safetly knowing that the company that made the electronic voting machines gave billions to one of political parties? How are you even certain your vote was worth it?

To any Americans who voted for Kerry... move to Cuba.

America is being taken back by the middle class. Hopefully the lazy among the poor (since many are hard workers..) will get the picture and get off their arses.

We'll tax THEM less, too... but hopefulyl we can stem this tide of socialism that started with Roosevelt 70ish years ago. (Actually another Dem, Woodrow Wilson, ushered in the income tax)

Cut off a chunk of the damn bureaucracy and all the programs we don't need (or cut some of their funding).

Big government sucks the money out of people's wallets... which means we've got less to invest with, to buy with... and everyone with a brain knows that helping business helps the working man in turn. Conversely, HURTING business HURTS the working man. If your business is forced to shut down, you lose your job, right?

Keep taxes low and government small. This is an American axiom that goes back to the founding of our country and in the past 70ish years has been seriously challenged by Liberalism/Socialism.

I am in favor of freedom... and financial freedom is a very key slice of the freedom pie.

To each his own. If you want to work somewhere and earn $10 an hour, you should be able to do that and keep nearly all of your income.

If you are ambitious and want to start your own business, you ought to be able to do that without being fettered by a greedy government and its social agenda.

This is the American Dream and is a large part of what makes my country great.

Our success is not infringed upon by 70% income taxes (who the hell would want to start a business in such a punitive country).

Unfortunately we had some bad business practices a while back and unions were introduced, and business still struggles with unions... (i won't go there now... you can probably imagine what I think of workers' unions. hehe)

But by and large, entrepreneurialism is fostered.

Now if only we could get these damn pinko-commie-liberals to realize that the rich man is generally GOOD for this country because of all that he creates for workers and for companies (and hence our economy) ... if the libs can stop hating the rich man... stop wanting to punish success (think of how that affects the American Dream...)... maybe we can get back to being the ideal America.

We need to see each other as people, not colors/ethnicities.. racism cannot end when it is legislated. Laws cannot end racism, for it is an idea. Certainly laws that encourage racism... cannot end racism. lol

We need to value FREEDOM above all else (to me, that means i get to do, more or less, what I want to with what I've got).

Proprietorship needs to be respected: what is yours is yours. This goes along with the freedom edict. Get out of my hair, government! Let me do my thing. Leave me alone! Get your hand out of my pocket!

blah blah blah

I understand the propensity for people who do not have.. to want. But I say, go and do for yourself (if you are physically and mentally able). This is the good old Protestant work ethic.

lol. i'm having a bad day at work, btw, so don't be too harsh.Bushs handsoff policies toward big business is the thing that has most chance of hurting you economically

I don't have a problem with him being an idiot. An idiot isn't necessarily an evildoer http://www.online-literature.com/dostoevsky/idiot/ . I don't have a problem with him being an alcoholic either: so was Churchill (and many other leaders, less admirable but not too dangerous). I don't have a problem with him having likely a neurologic ailment: Reagan had Alzheimer but did not start WWIII, whatever one may think of him.
I have a problem with him being a religious fundamentalist and a liar and a war criminal whose place is on an international court of justice and not at the head of a hyperpower. I have a problem with him being highly dangerous and a threat for world stability.

I think its a matter of opinion that he is a "religious fundamentalist" and that he's a liar and a war criminal. I can understand your view of why you would disagree with him on the issues like Iraq or whatever, but to label the guy with what you're doing is just not helpful (if that is the right word).

How can you vote safetly knowing that the company that made the electronic voting machines gave billions to one of political parties? How are you even certain your vote was worth it?
His complaint wasn't that he thought the voting would be tampered with, it was that he lived in too conservative of a state. But above all, it was lunch time and he was hungry.

"Is Castro less of a dictator than Bush? Really?"

Uhhh, lol. Try: Castro is a communist dictator while Bush is a MAJORITY-ELECTED executive of a bicameral national government.

Think you'd be happier in Cuba. You could sit on the couch and live off another man's work. (actually, you can do it here, too. lol)

;)
Bush was never elected in the real sense of the word and hes a worse dictator then Castro cause at least Castro gave his people health care

Bush was never elected in the real sense of the world and hes a worse dictator then Castro cause at least Castro gave his people health care

Sorry to tell you but he was elected (at least this time around).

Yeah, the best health care in the world down in Cuba, that's where everyone goes to get their major proceedures done. Free health care to everyone doesn't make Castro a dictator, it makes him a socialist. The fact that he puts political opponets in jail and rules the country by whim and not laws makes him a dictator.

Chess Squares, not very bright are you??

Why the hell doesn't some one assassinate this emotional buffoon?

I guess you'll like the phonecall and investigation from the US Secret Service, right? Y'know, because it's against the law to make any form of threat (whether you're serious or not) on the life of a US President.....

Bush was never elected in the real sense of the word and hes a worse dictator then Castro cause at least Castro gave his people health care

More of the Left's "it depends on what your definition of 'is' is." Get over it. You lost the Presidential election, fair and square. Twice.

Sorry to tell you but he was elected (at least this time around).

Yeah, the best health care in the world down in Cuba, that's where everyone goes to get their major proceedures done. Free health care to everyone doesn't make Castro a dictator, it makes him a socialist. The fact that he puts political opponets in jail and rules the country by whim and not laws makes him a dictator.
this time around the Dictator Bush had republican companies who owned the voting machines in Ohio develop a software program to hack the vote

not enuf threads like this in the mainstream democratic party is the reason the dems are failing

Please, please, please, PLEASE, keep nominating far-Left socialists for Presidential and Congressional elections....you'll keep losing and the Right will keep winning. America is a RIGHT nation, whether you want to admit it or not. The farther Left a politician is, the less we like him or her.....

this time around the Dictator Bush had republican companies who owned the voting machines in Ohio develop a software program to hack the vote

Thank you, Alex Jones..... :rolleyes:

Chess Squares, not very bright are you??
hes smarter then Bush--but thats not saying much

hes smarter then Bush--but thats not saying much
Actually no, Bush voted on election day, CS didn't. Whose vote won out? Bush or lunch?

More of the Left's "it depends on what your definition of 'is' is." Get over it. You lost the Presidential election, fair and square. Twice.
you never won the election fair and square--once

Please, please, please, PLEASE, keep nominating far-Left socialists for Presidential and Congressional elections....you'll keep losing and the Right will keep winning. America is a RIGHT nation, whether you want to admit it or not. The farther Left a politician is, the less we like him or her.....
please keep believeing in all your rightwing delusions because the dems are much closer to the american people on the issues then this extremist administration is.

Had nothing to do with the recounts, had to do with the fraud by the Florida republican party, Katherine Harris and her ilk. Yes, Al Gore DID win the election in 2000. As many times as people say he didn't they refuse to accept the facts and the huge amount of evidence that there is out there of just how they did it. They committed fraud, there is no two ways about it. If people wish to wear a blind-fold to what happened in Florida in 2000 that's fine. However I feel until the US truly addresses the problem, in the words of Greg Palast, American will continue to be "The best democracy money can buy!"

A: We're not a democracy nor have we ever been one.

B: The only one wearing a blind-fold here seems to be you and your ilk. Gore lost; get over it.

It's about time there was some harsh critisism of the president on the internet!

Ha ha ha!

Nice, New Foxxinnia. I agree completely.

Don't get me wrong, though. I'm not a Bush fan.

please keep believeing in all your rightwing delusions because the dems are much closer to the american people on the issues then this extremist administration is.
So why have the American people largely ignored them for the past 5 years?

A: We're not a democracy nor have we ever been one.

B: The only one wearing a blind-fold here seems to be you and your ilk. Gore lost; get over it.
Gore won--your side are liars and cheaters-admit it

not enuf threads like this in the mainstream democratic party is the reason the dems are failing

Keep telling yourself that... all the while, you continue to isolate yourselves farther and farther from the ideals of the majority of America. Keep going, and you won't win another presidential election... ever.

(which would be fine with me, ya darn amoral egoist socialists! hehe)

yay maybe i can have a 3 hour interrogation from the thought police

Hey, I wouldn't joke about that. It's a real possibility. :(

So why have the American people largely ignored them for the past 5 years?
they havent--thats the reason why repubs have to lie about what theyre doin all the time-cause the left is closer to what the people want on the issues and reps know it thats why they have to decieve

they havent--thats the reason why repubs have to lie about what theyre doin all the time-cause the left is closer to what the people want on the issues and reps know it thats why they have to decieve
Whatever you say, Dan Rather.

please keep believeing in all your rightwing delusions because the dems are much closer to the american people on the issues then this extremist administration is.

The irony of your delusions is killing me! You're so far Left you've lost any sense of reality. And...it sure looks like the Democrats are closer to the American people, judging by this map:

http://www.electionprojection.com/images/EVMapActual.gif

:rolleyes:

But, of course, you'll give me the "Republicans stole all of the elections" nonsense...again...and again....

FYI, the American people are intelligent conservatives, by nature, not dillusioned socialists.....

Keep telling yourself that... all the while, you continue to isolate yourselves farther and farther from the ideals of the majority of America. Keep going, and you won't win another presidential election... ever.

(which would be fine with me, ya darn amoral egoist socialists! hehe)
you dont speak for the majority--you speak for the dumbed down faction of america

Gore won--your side are liars and cheaters-admit it

This is even more priceless.

Shall we have a states' rights vs. federal rights debate... do you think that Florida statutes do not qualify to govern Florida vote-tallying and reporting?

Did you know that the first move was Gore's? And that the Florida State Supreme Court (or whatever title the activists go by...) overturned current Florida law to allow the recount to continue?

And that the US Supreme Court really did the right thing?

If you want the law... look it up yourself. I think it was 106.112 or 106.111 or something like that. Had the Fla Supreme Court followed Florida law, the reported returns would have been validated and the recount would have stopped.

Whatever you say, Dan Rather.
Dan Rather maintained his integrity till the end-which is more then can be said for any reporter on Foxnews

you never won the election fair and square--once

Keep saying that. Your sick ilk only loses more voters and more support when you Leftists make comments like that. Continue being the party of radical socialists like Michael Moore and continue to nominate socialist failures like John Kerry. You'll continue to lose.

More Anti-Bush on NS? This is so new. It's obviously changing so many minds in the process as well.

you dont speak for the majority--you speak for the dumbed down faction of america

EVEN BETTER!

Yes, I am a dumbed down MBA with an IQ of 146. Keep digging!

Dan Rather maintained his integrity till the end-which is more then can be said for any reporter on Foxnews

Oh yes, if putting out forged documents and labelling them as the Gospel truth is "maintaining your integrity." :rolleyes:

Dan Rather maintained his integrity till the end-which is more then can be said for any reporter on Foxnews
It's not hard to maintain zero now is it?

The irony of your delusions is killing me! You're so far Left you've lost any sense of reality. And...it sure looks like the Democrats are closer to the American people, judging by this map:

http://www.electionprojection.com/images/EVMapActual.gif

:rolleyes:

But, of course, you'll give me the "Republicans stole all of the elections" nonsense...again...and again....

FYI, the American people are intelligent conservatives, by nature, not dillusioned socialists.....
all that map shows is the willingness of republicans to decieve--its broken down by county to give a false illusion of more support then what actually existed. Bush "won" by the slimmest margin since Wilson and the only reason you kept the House was cause of Delays gerrymandering in Texas--you have no mandate--you only have divisive lies that split the nation

you dont speak for the majority--you speak for the dumbed down faction of america

2004 Election Results
Bush: 51%
Kerry: 48%

"Dumbed down faction" of America?

The dumbed down 51%...
Wasn't it 55% by the end?

Dan Rather maintained his integrity till the end-which is more then can be said for any reporter on Foxnews

Dan Blather is a lying piece of shit. He always has been, and always will be. He's not a journalist, he's a propaganda pimp.

Keep saying that. Your sick ilk only loses more voters and more support when you Leftists make comments like that. Continue being the party of radical socialists like Michael Moore and continue to nominate socialist failures like John Kerry. You'll continue to lose.
we will continue speaking truth to power and exposing your odious lies

all that map shows is the willingness of republicans to decieve--its broken down by county to give a false illusion of more support then what actually existed. Bush "won" by the slimmest margin since Wilson and the only reason you kept the House was cause of Delays gerrymandering in Texas--you have no mandate--you only have divisive lies that split the nation

A: I'm not a Republican; I'm a Constitutionalist.

B: That map is broken down by state, not county. I think you need your eyes checked.

C: How does that map show the GOP is "decieving?"

D: George W. Bush won the biggest portion of the popular vote in Presidential history.

E: Gerrymandering is nothing new and it happens from both the Democrats and the Republicans. You would know that if your irrational hatred of anything that is to the Right of freaking Josef Stalin didn't blind your vision.

we will continue speaking truth to power and exposing your odious lies

Keep telling yourself that. Again, keeping being the party of radicals like Michael Moore and MoveOn.org. You do so and in twenty years, the entire map will be red.

Wasn't it 55% by the end?

I remember the majority decreasing as the Left Coast tallies came in... think it did end up at 51% or thereabouts.

What is funny is the Left shouting about how dumb they think Republicans are.

Apparently none of them are trailer-dwelling democrats or union (there are many types of education, but perhaps most of workers' union members are not college-educated... tech school is not college, folks, imo) workers.

There are just as many dumb democrats as there are dumb republicans.

Businesspeople and bankers (MBAs and the like) are generally Republicans... probably (at least ostensibly) because they know how taxes affect the bottom line and the ability to pay workers' salaries... and people's ability to invest in companies and buy their goods or services.

Lawyers, on the other hand, seem to be mostly Dems.

MBA vs. JD

Oh yes, if putting out forged documents and labelling them as the Gospel truth is "maintaining your integrity." :rolleyes:
Rather freely admitted the documents that Karl Rove planted in his possession were forged-when was the last time that any reporter on Foxnews had the integrity to admit that they lie for Murdoch everyday?

It's not hard to maintain zero now is it?
the rightwing are the ones who killed true journalism in america to protect the powerful--look in the mirror if you dont like it

Rather freely admitted the documents that Karl Rove planted in his possession were forged-when was the last time that any reporter on Foxnews had the integrity to admit that they lie for Murdoch everyday?

Okay now, you've got to be a Right-winger fooling around...no one can be that stupid.....

Skapedroe

If your dreams of a powerful communist nation help you sleep at night, let me clue you in on something:

Communist countries' economies can only really prosper in a vacuum; you add trade to the equation and the economy shatters.

Nobody will invest in a communist country -- who would want to with the punitive tax structure?

With little investment is little money to advance... so the people feel the effects with crappy, outdated products.

You want your people to be happy?

Put them in a lightly regulated (but there HAVE to be some regulations, or there will be business abuses...) capitalist/free-market system.

Of course the lazy ones will suffer and a whole party (Democrat Party in the US) and political doctrine (Communism/Socialism) will be created to convince them that they deserve the wealth of others without the effort or will or ingenuity to attain it, but...

For those who enjoy working and earning their bread, this is the place you want to be.

And because such countries don't control business, investment is attained and BAM business have fuel to make better products for people.

But if you want to live in a dirty little isolated world where the people who are laziest are given the most by the government and people are placed in an inelastic caste system for life and told to stay in the same job for life... where people have very little in the realm of personal freedom and almost no control of their money...

go ahead.

You can call your dreamland "The Soviet Union of Lazistan" or "The Socialist Republic of Zero Money"

lol

Skapedroe

If your dreams of a powerful communist nation help you sleep at night, let me clue you in on something:

Communist countries' economies can only really prosper in a vacuum; you add trade to the equation and the economy shatters.

Nobody will invest in a communist country -- who would want to with the punitive tax structure?

With little investment is little money to advance... so the people feel the effects with crappy, outdated products.

You want your people to be happy?

Put them in a lightly regulated (but there HAVE to be some regulations, or there will be business abuses...) capitalist/free-market system.

Of course the lazy ones will suffer and a whole party (Democratic Party in the US) and political doctrine (Communism/Socialism) will be created to convince them that they deserve the wealth of others without the effort or will or ingenuity to attain it, but...

For those who enjoy working and earning their bread, this is the place you want to be.

And because such countries don't control business, investment is attained and BAM business have fuel to make better products for people.

But if you want to live in a dirty little isolated world where the people who are laziest are given the most by the government and people are placed in an inelastic caste system for life and told to stay in the same job for life... where people have very little in the realm of personal freedom and almost no control of their money...

go ahead.

You can call your dreamland "The Soviet Union of Lazistan" or "The Socialist Republic of Zero Money"

Or you can call it "North Korea"

Ask a North Korean if he's getting enough to eat. Why won't anyone trade with me?

lol

democratically elected is quite a disputed point

How so when he got 51 to 52% of the vote plus a majority of the electoral vote?

with all of the vote and registration tampering by the republicans, there is no telling who actually "democratically" won the election truthfully. he is the "supposed" democratically elected leader

HAHA!! What about those done by the Democratic party and their hencemen? I guess you forgot about that!

VIVA BUSH!!!

Except for the fact that he stole the 2000 election. But nevermind that.


Why, oh why can't the American people be more like the Ukranians?

Read Florida statutes governing the counting/reporting of votes cerca 2000.

Bush didn't steal the elction; Gore TRIED to, with the help of the Florida Supreme Court, which OVERTURNED/IGNORED legislature-passed (we vote for state legislatures, remember? they make our state laws...) statutes giving the time-frame for how long a county has to turn in the vote count.

The Fla Supreme Court decided to ignore the law and let the recount continue.

Thankfully, the US Supreme Court saw this gross error by the activist Florida court and ended the BS.

Bush won. Quit your bitching. Read the laws if you don't believe me. (think it's 106.112 and 106.111, cerca 2000 or 1999)

Except for the fact that he stole the 2000 election. But nevermind that.

No proof whatsoever! Get over it!

Why, oh why can't the American people be more like the Ukranians?

Because our elections went as it should?

Kwangistar - Recounts my ass. The election was rigged so that tens of thousands of people were not allowed to vote. A recount would not have accomplished anything. A re-vote, free of electoral fraud and perhaps monitored by international observers might just have made a difference.

Proof please?

As for a re-vote free of electoral fraud, that'll never happen! And while we're talking about this, what about all the fraud done by the Democratic party hmmm?

Had nothing to do with the recounts, had to do with the fraud by the Florida republican party, Katherine Harris and her ilk. Yes, Al Gore DID win the election in 2000. As many times as people say he didn't they refuse to accept the facts and the huge amount of evidence that there is out there of just how they did it. They committed fraud, there is no two ways about it. If people wish to wear a blind-fold to what happened in Florida in 2000 that's fine. However I feel until the US truly addresses the problem, in the words of Greg Palast, American will continue to be "The best democracy money can buy!"

WRONG!!! Bush won the state and thus the election. All Gore won was the popular vote and you don't have to win the popular vote to get elected. All you need is the electoral college vote. GET IT RIGHT STEPH!!! As for fraud. BOTH SIDES are GUILTY of it!

Please, please, please, PLEASE, keep nominating far-Left socialists for Presidential and Congressional elections....you'll keep losing and the Right will keep winning. America is a RIGHT nation, whether you want to admit it or not. The farther Left a politician is, the less we like him or her.....

This explains why the state democrats wants someone who isn't a washington insider to lead the party. They don't like the party moving to the Left and they want to bring it to the center once again. I wish them luck because they're going to need it.

you never won the election fair and square--once

Yes he did! Get over it

please keep believeing in all your rightwing delusions because the dems are much closer to the american people on the issues then this extremist administration is.

Then why did the Republicans win the White house and gained additional seats in the HOuse and Senate?

Steph, are you aware that the Democrats put extra votes on machines in Pennsylvania? It's not just the Republicans. The butterfly ballot in the 2000 Florida election was not designed by an evil Republican to confuse the voters - it was designed by a Democratic team who were brainless.

Crying foul, or calling us names isn't going to make us vote Democratic.

Gore won--your side are liars and cheaters-admit it

Gore Lost! Get over it!

VIVA BUSH!!!

This is even more priceless.

Yea it was! LOL

Shall we have a states' rights vs. federal rights debate... do you think that Florida statutes do not qualify to govern Florida vote-tallying and reporting?

I think they do!

Did you know that the first move was Gore's? And that the Florida State Supreme Court (or whatever title the activists go by...) overturned current Florida law to allow the recount to continue?

6 Dems to 1 republican! Yep fair court!

And that the US Supreme Court really did the right thing?

Thank God!

If you want the law... look it up yourself. I think it was 106.112 or 106.111 or something like that. Had the Fla Supreme Court followed Florida law, the reported returns would have been validated and the recount would have stopped.

thanks! I'll take a look at that someday :)

Dan Rather maintained his integrity till the end-which is more then can be said for any reporter on Foxnews

Dan Rather was caught Lying to the american people!

Amen.

Oops, not politically correct.

Merry Christmas. (not politically correct either)

Gotta love the Libs' version of Freedom of Speech. lmao

2004 Election Results
Bush: 51%
Kerry: 48%

"Dumbed down faction" of America?
New Ohio Election Lawsuit Filed
a lawsuit challenging the legality of the presidential election in Ohio has been refiled just days after the Ohio Supreme Court threw out a similar suit due to a technicality. The lawsuit was filed by 37 voters who cited reports of machine errors, double-counting of some ballots and a shortage of voting machines in predominantly minority precincts. Backers of the lawsuit include the Rev. Jesse Jackson, the Alliance for Democracy, and Green Party candidate David Cobb.

lol

You guys really are poor losers. Quit whining and show some class.

Unfortunately, if Kerry has already conceded defeat, it doesn't matter if a lawsuit is filed or not.

New Ohio Election Lawsuit Filed
a lawsuit challenging the legality of the presidential election in Ohio has been refiled just days after the Ohio Supreme Court threw out a similar suit due to a technicality. The lawsuit was filed by 37 voters who cited reports of machine errors, double-counting of some ballots and a shortage of voting machines in predominantly minority precincts. Backers of the lawsuit include the Rev. Jesse Jackson, the Alliance for Democracy, and Green Party candidate David Cobb.

Anyone surprised by this? This will get tossed too. There is no grounds for it and it won't overturn the election.

EVEN BETTER!

Yes, I am a dumbed down MBA with an IQ of 146. Keep digging!
all that proves is that intelligent people can be evil too

dan rathers new that it was not from a reliable soucre and new that they were looking for a way to get bush and then it comes in on a silver plater and he thinks it is right then every one said it was not proven to be right and he keeps going with the document now i think that is not in the lest bit bright.

Dan Blather is a lying piece of shit. He always has been, and always will be. He's not a journalist, he's a propaganda pimp.
I like you Roach thats why it makes me sad when I think you may have been of victim of intense brainwashing by the military industrial complex

I like you Roach thats why it makes me sad when I think you may have been of victim of intense brainwashing by the military industrial complex

Could say the same about you too Skapedroe. Seems like you been brainwashed by the liberal left.

:sniper: Can one of the Mods DEAT Chess Squares before this web site gets shut down?

A: I'm not a Republican; I'm a Constitutionalist.

B: That map is broken down by state, not county. I think you need your eyes checked.

C: How does that map show the GOP is "decieving?"

D: George W. Bush won the biggest portion of the popular vote in Presidential history.

E: Gerrymandering is nothing new and it happens from both the Democrats and the Republicans. You would know that if your irrational hatred of anything that is to the Right of freaking Josef Stalin didn't blind your vision.
Bush "won" by the slimmest margins since Woodrow Wilson--if hes so popular why must he consistently cheat? if your a constitutionalist why do you support Patriot Act rapes of our constitution?

Bush "won" by the slimmest margins since Woodrow Wilson--if hes so popular why must he consistently cheat? if your a constitutionalist why do you support Patriot Act rapes of our constitution?

Why does the Democratic Party have to cheat? Why does anyone have to cheat?

Keep telling yourself that. Again, keeping being the party of radicals like Michael Moore and MoveOn.org. You do so and in twenty years, the entire map will be red.
and America will rot from within

Here's a rebuttal example to those who think that just because someone votes Republican that they love the Patriot Act.

http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/weblog.php?id=P5518?id=5518_0_1_0

and America will rot from within

This isn’t about armor, supporting the troops, or attaining victory on a difficult and unpredictable battlefield. This is about getting Rumsfeld and, by extension, Bush. There’s simply nothing more to it than that. The liberal media, like the Left generally, is shocked and horrified that we find ourselves in a war after they had decided thirty years ago that there should be no more war. They’re disgusted that when it came down to it, this Administration was not willing to cower longer—or perpetually—behind the UN’s soiled and tattered skirts. They are mortified that, after eight years of the Clinton Utopia, the American people were audaciously ignorant enough to elect a Republican as President – twice. They wanted Bush out in ‘04; they didn’t get what they wanted. They’ll settle for Rumsfeld, for now. And if it takes a US defeat in Iraq to remind us troglodyte American proles of our proper place in the world—on our knees, begging forgiveness for our rapaciously consumerist sins—well, they’ll be more than happy to supply us with all the white flags we need to get the job done.

Okay now, you've got to be a Right-winger fooling around...no one can be that stupid.....
the right has been trying to set Rather up for decades--this is a classic character assassination scheme by that snake Rove

Skapedroe

If your dreams of a powerful communist nation help you sleep at night, let me clue you in on something:

Communist countries' economies can only really prosper in a vacuum; you add trade to the equation and the economy shatters.

Nobody will invest in a communist country -- who would want to with the punitive tax structure?

With little investment is little money to advance... so the people feel the effects with crappy, outdated products.

You want your people to be happy?

Put them in a lightly regulated (but there HAVE to be some regulations, or there will be business abuses...) capitalist/free-market system.

Of course the lazy ones will suffer and a whole party (Democrat Party in the US) and political doctrine (Communism/Socialism) will be created to convince them that they deserve the wealth of others without the effort or will or ingenuity to attain it, but...

For those who enjoy working and earning their bread, this is the place you want to be.

And because such countries don't control business, investment is attained and BAM business have fuel to make better products for people.

But if you want to live in a dirty little isolated world where the people who are laziest are given the most by the government and people are placed in an inelastic caste system for life and told to stay in the same job for life... where people have very little in the realm of personal freedom and almost no control of their money...

go ahead.

You can call your dreamland "The Soviet Union of Lazistan" or "The Socialist Republic of Zero Money"

lolits your ilk that want free trade with red china so what are you talken about?

the right has been trying to set Rather up for decades--this is a classic character assassination scheme by that snake Rove

Rather did a good job of doing that himself when he went with a document that wasn't confirmed and it was through someone who had a grudge against the Bush Family.

Kerry was an empty suit..
so Bush is gonna be prez for the next 4 years
Get over it.

I didn't bother reading any previous replies
and won't be reading any future replies
so don't bother.

Just grow up
and get over it.

No proof whatsoever! Get over it!



Because our elections went as it should?
developing software to steal the election for Bush without paper trails is your defintion of an election going as it should have?

developing software to steal the election for Bush without paper trails is your defintion of an election going as it should have?

Proof please and do you have proof that it actually occured with actual evidence? This is nothing than a rant because your candidate lost.

Kerry was an empty suit..
so Bush is gonna be prez for the next 4 years
Get over it.

I didn't bother reading any previous replies
and won't be reading any future replies
so don't bother.

Just grow up
and get over it.
you know what i did to crotchy? shot napalm at em

Then why did the Republicans win the White house and gained additional seats in the HOuse and Senate?
cause Delay gerrymandered Texas and most of the victorys for Bush were in the ignorant slave states--the country is still deeply split with this divisive pig in the White House and we're losing the war in Iraq cause its based on lies

cause Delay gerrymandered Texas and most of the victorys for Bush were in the ignorant slave states--the country is still deeply split with this divisive pig in the White House and we're losing the war in Iraq cause its based on lies

OMFG! Delay is the best you can come up with? Now I know your ranting! Explain the House and Senate Republican Gains please!

Gore Lost! Get over it!

VIVA BUSH!!!
Bush never won without cheating--doesnt that make you feel dirty?

Dan Rather was caught Lying to the american people!
Dan Rather was victimized by professional smearmongers--even O'Reilly said that

Bush never won without cheating--doesnt that make you feel dirty?

Proof that he cheated please? You have none so no I don't!

VIVA BUSH!

Dan Rather was victimized by professional smearmongers--even O'Reilly said that

Even though it was proven that Rather lied. Thank God he's retiring.

Amen.

Oops, not politically correct.

Merry Christmas. (not politically correct either)

Gotta love the Libs' version of Freedom of Speech. lmao
libs arent anti-christmas--thats just another pathological lie by the false christians on the right--dont you ever get sick of raping the truth?

Heck, this is hell annoying. Bush only won because the rural states voted for him. People who are in rural states, no offense, are the people who go to church and listen to priests tell them that gay marriages are forbidden by god, and so so. And, no offense again, the more intelligent people in the urban states who go to big schools and universities all vote for Kerry.

Look at this map:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40501000/gif/_40501947_us_elec_final2_map203.gif

It shows exactly what I'm saying.

As a sidenote, has anyone ever noticed that only the best American presidents get assassinated, and the worst ones stay alive?

Heck, this is hell annoying. Bush only won because the rural states voted for him. People who are in rural states, no offense, are the people who go to church and listen to priests tell them that gay marriages are forbidden by god, and so so. And, no offense again, the more intelligent people in the urban states who go to big schools and universities all vote for Kerry.

Look at this map:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40501000/gif/_40501947_us_elec_final2_map203.gif

It shows exactly what I'm saying.

As a sidenote, has anyone ever noticed that only the best American presidents get assassinated, and the worst ones stay alive?

I find offense to this! I attend a University and I voted Bush!

Also to your side note, Reagan was a great president and wasn't assassinated, only an attempt that failed.

lol

You guys really are poor losers. Quit whining and show some class.
we'll shut up when you can win without cheating

Except for the fact that he stole the 2000 election. But nevermind that.


Why, oh why can't the American people be more like the Ukranians?
Stole? People, four independant organizations verified that Bush won Florida. Although he didn't win the popular vote, he did win the electoral one. Also, for those of you who complain about voter fraud this time around: you can't fraud 3 million votes. No matter how you look at it, HE WON. Get over it, or move to friggin' socialist paradise Canada.

we'll shut up when you can win without cheating

ANd I still want proof and an apology for all of the Dems that try to cheat too.

Heck, this is hell annoying. Bush only won because the rural states voted for him. People who are in rural states, no offense, are the people who go to church and listen to priests tell them that gay marriages are forbidden by god, and so so. And, no offense again, the more intelligent people in the urban states who go to big schools and universities all vote for Kerry.

Look at this map:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40501000/gif/_40501947_us_elec_final2_map203.gif

It shows exactly what I'm saying.

As a sidenote, has anyone ever noticed that only the best American presidents get assassinated, and the worst ones stay alive?
Actually, most college educated people voted for Bush. The reason that most university people voted for Kerry is the result of liberal professors brainwashing their students.

Why does the Democratic Party have to cheat? Why does anyone have to cheat?
it was republican companies that owned the computer software programs to hack the vote for Bush in Ohio

Actually, most college educated people voted for Bush. The reason that most university people voted for Kerry is the result of liberal professors brainwashing their students.

I'm a university student and I voted Bush! No brainwashing done on me. :)

Heck, this is hell annoying. Bush only won because the rural states voted for him. People who are in rural states, no offense, are the people who go to church and listen to priests tell them that gay marriages are forbidden by god, and so so. And, no offense again, the more intelligent people in the urban states who go to big schools and universities all vote for Kerry.

Look at this map:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40501000/gif/_40501947_us_elec_final2_map203.gif

It shows exactly what I'm saying.

As a sidenote, has anyone ever noticed that only the best American presidents get assassinated, and the worst ones stay alive?

So all Republicans are stupid and all Democrats are smart? Once again (ad nauseum) it's this kind of rhetoric that is costing the Dems elections.

it was republican companies that owned the computer software programs to hack the vote for Bush in Ohio

And there is absolutely no proof that it was done so until the proof is there, its nothing but your rants because you lost the election.

I find offense to this! I attend a University and I voted Bush!

Also to your side note, Reagan was a great president and wasn't assassinated, only an attempt that failed.

I'm sorry, I'll change what I meant. MOST of the people who went to universities voted Kerry, and MOST of the people who went to church and got brainwashed about gay marriages being banned voted Bush.

Happy now?

Same thing to my sidenote: MOST good presidents are assassinated, but I don't think any bad presidents didn't stay alive, so that one's ok.

So all Republicans are stupid and all Democrats are smart? Once again (ad nauseum) it's this kind of rhetoric that is costing the Dems elections.

So very true Kecibukia.

This isn’t about armor, supporting the troops, or attaining victory on a difficult and unpredictable battlefield. This is about getting Rumsfeld and, by extension, Bush. There’s simply nothing more to it than that. The liberal media, like the Left generally, is shocked and horrified that we find ourselves in a war after they had decided thirty years ago that there should be no more war. They’re disgusted that when it came down to it, this Administration was not willing to cower longer—or perpetually—behind the UN’s soiled and tattered skirts. They are mortified that, after eight years of the Clinton Utopia, the American people were audaciously ignorant enough to elect a Republican as President – twice. They wanted Bush out in ‘04; they didn’t get what they wanted. They’ll settle for Rumsfeld, for now. And if it takes a US defeat in Iraq to remind us troglodyte American proles of our proper place in the world—on our knees, begging forgiveness for our rapaciously consumerist sins—well, they’ll be more than happy to supply us with all the white flags we need to get the job done.your in denial of reality--the republican media was beating the drums of war to get us stuck in the Iraqi quagmire based on known lies

I'm a university student and I voted Bush! No brainwashing done on me. :)

But did they try? I know a number of my professors that spouted anti-conservative or anti-military rants.

your in denial of reality--the republican media was beating the drums of war to get us stuck in the Iraqi quagmire based on known lies

HAHA!! This is rediculous. Iraq is not a Quagmire. That is what the Liberal left wants us to think. Luckily, I know people that are over there and they say differently. Thanks for playing!

But did they try? I know a number of my professors that spouted anti-conservative or anti-military rants.

Nope! I don't think they tried at anyrate.

Rather did a good job of doing that himself when he went with a document that wasn't confirmed and it was through someone who had a grudge against the Bush Family.
well Bush still owes an apology to veitnam veterans for going AWOL regardless of Rathers failed attempts to hold him accountable

So all Republicans are stupid and all Democrats are smart? Once again (ad nauseum) it's this kind of rhetoric that is costing the Dems elections.

No, I'm not saying that. For one thing, I'm not republican or democratic. I'm not even American, so I didn't vote in the first place.

I'm saying that MOST republicans went to church and got brainwashed, while MOST democratic voters, who DIDN'T get brainwashed or anything, voted Bush.

Happy now?

But did they try? I know a number of my professors that spouted anti-conservative or anti-military rants.

The "oh-so-liberal" university system is a myth.

I've been to two colleges now, and talked to people at many others. Both have much more of a conservative slant than a liberal one. In fact, the *only* prof I've ever had who talked about her own political views in class was Republican.

well Bush still owes an apology to veitnam veterans for going AWOL regardless of Rathers failed attempts to hold him accountable

And Kerry owes an apology to every man and woman who puts on the uniform because of his comments regarding our military forces.

As for Bush going AWOL, NO PROOF!!

I'm sorry, I'll change what I meant. MOST of the people who went to universities voted Kerry, and MOST of the people who went to church and got brainwashed about gay marriages being banned voted Bush.

Happy now?

Same thing to my sidenote: MOST good presidents are assassinated, but I don't think any bad presidents didn't stay alive, so that one's ok.

Ok so MOST Republicans are stupid and MOST Democrats are smart? Still doesn't help. It's like that "poll" that showed most Bush voters were mentally retarded.

HAHA!! This is rediculous. Iraq is not a Quagmire. That is what the Liberal left wants us to think. Luckily, I know people that are over there and they say differently. Thanks for playing!

Funny, since even Republican senators are talking about it being a quagmire, as do all of those I know who are in the military.

Proof that he cheated please? You have none so no I don't!

VIVA BUSH!
theres millions of storys about voter irregularities but you wont find them in our rightwing media

Funny, since even Republican senators are talking about it being a quagmire, as do all of those I know who are in the military.

I know people in the military and not once have they mentioned Quagmire and as for Senators, one of them is the AZ Senator and he is slowly losing my respect.

And Kerry owes an apology to every man and woman who puts on the uniform because of his comments regarding our military forces.

You mean, "Our guys were sent over there under-trained and don't know how to handle it. Some bad things are happening and some higher ups are allowing it. Please bring all of our guys home."

theres millions of storys about voter irregularities but you wont find them in our rightwing media

Funny thing is, that is all they are, stories. No proof whatsoever.

Even though it was proven that Rather lied. Thank God he's retiring.
democracy in america is dying unless the american people takeback the media

You mean, "Our guys were sent over there under-trained and don't know how to handle it. Some bad things are happening and some higher ups are allowing it. Please bring all of our guys home."

Sure bring them home then my dad can come home too but I don't want them to come home till AFTER the job is done.

democracy in america is dying unless the american people takeback the media

We're a Republic, not a democracy and its chugging along fine.

Ok so MOST Republicans are stupid and MOST Democrats are smart? Still doesn't help. It's like that "poll" that showed most Bush voters were mentally retarded.

Reread my other post.

I'm saying that the difference was not stupid or smart, I'm saying that the difference was brainwashed or not brainwashed. And insert this word wherever you think I mean it to be, if I've forgotten to insert it: MOST.

The "oh-so-liberal" university system is a myth.

I've been to two colleges now, and talked to people at many others. Both have much more of a conservative slant than a liberal one. In fact, the *only* prof I've ever had who talked about her own political views in class was Republican.

From my experience, the professors are still primarily liberal but are starting to lean conservative. The Administrations, however, are still liberal hotbeds. The student bodies seem to be well mixed.

Sure bring them home then my dad can come home too but I don't want them to come home till AFTER the job is done.

So Kerry should apologize because the job wasn't done? Ok, I guess Nixon should too.

From my experience, the professors are still primarily liberal but are starting to lean conservative. The Administrations, however, are still liberal hotbeds. The student bodies seem to be well mixed.

I can buy this statement.

I find offense to this! I attend a University and I voted Bush!

Also to your side note, Reagan was a great president and wasn't assassinated, only an attempt that failed.
as a general rule Bush voters have lesser intellect and represent the most uninformed sections of America--Btw Bushs father was the one who hired that sleeper agent to shoot Reagan

So Kerry should apologize because the job wasn't done? Ok, I guess Nixon should too.

Nixon wasn't in Vietnam, Kerry was then came back and told lies to Congress regarding our military. He should apologize for that and he hasn't

as a general rule Bush voters have lesser intellect and represent the most uninformed sections of America--Btw Bushs father was the one who hired that sleeper agent to shoot Reagan

your very diluted and spout stuff that have no evidence. Congratulations.

I'm a university student and I voted Bush! No brainwashing done on me. :)
I know but your a religious fanatic--thats another form of brainwashing

Reread my other post.

I'm saying that the difference was not stupid or smart, I'm saying that the difference was brainwashed or not brainwashed. And insert this word wherever you think I mean it to be, if I've forgotten to insert it: MOST.

And you think calling people "brainwashed" is any better than stupid?

So all Republicans are stupid and all Democrats are smart? Once again (ad nauseum) it's this kind of rhetoric that is costing the Dems elections.
no its the kind of rhetoric thats supported by the facts and its better to lose being right then to win being wrong

I know but your a religious fanatic--thats another form of brainwashing

You don't even know me.

no its the kind of rhetoric thats supported by the facts and its better to lose being right then to win being wrong

And yet neither side is right. WHat does that tell us?

no its the kind of rhetoric thats supported by the facts and its better to lose being right then to win being wrong

Riiiiight. Just like your "fact" that Bush Sr. tried to kill Reagan.

HAHA!! This is rediculous. Iraq is not a Quagmire. That is what the Liberal left wants us to think. Luckily, I know people that are over there and they say differently. Thanks for playing!
then why are they at a total dead standstill and are getting shot up like sitting ducks?

Hey I have an idea how about you quit bitching, and support you country, you goddamned hippie peice of shit, or move to canada if you hate it here so much, you are the very same draft dodging asshole who i would like deported.

From my experience, the professors are still primarily liberal but are starting to lean conservative. The Administrations, however, are still liberal hotbeds. The student bodies seem to be well mixed.
It depends on what department the professors are from.

A study by the Chronicle of Higher Education in 2003 showed that 47.6% of college professors, public and private, described themselves as left-leaning or far left, though. Compared to only 18% being right or far-right.

then why are they at a total dead standstill and are getting shot up like sitting ducks?

We're not at a standstill. There are operations going on that we don't even know about and probably never will hear about it.

And Kerry owes an apology to every man and woman who puts on the uniform because of his comments regarding our military forces.

As for Bush going AWOL, NO PROOF!!
Kerry exposed the ugly truth that every vet secretly knows--that war crimes get committed--hes heroic for bringing it out into the open and theres enuf evidence that Bush didnt do his duty during veitnam and now he got us stuck in another veitnam in iraq at the very least Bush should send his drunken whore daughters to iraq as a form of atonement

Kerry exposed the ugly truth that every vet secretly knows--that war crimes get committed--hes heroic for bringing it out into the open and theres enuf evidence that Bush didnt do his duty during veitnam and now he got us stuck in another veitnam in iraq at the very least Bush should send his drunken whore daughters to iraq as a form of atonement

Not denying that war crimes where committed! My beef with Kerry is that he said that ALL OF MILITARY FORCES were committing warcrimes and that was false. Besides, why should we elect a president that admitted he committed war crimes?

I know people in the military and not once have they mentioned Quagmire and as for Senators, one of them is the AZ Senator and he is slowly losing my respect.
then your being lied to

then your being lied to

No, I just follow up on everything that comes out of Iraq. Unlike some people I could name Skapedroe.

Funny thing is, that is all they are, stories. No proof whatsoever.
why isnt Bush investigating it? whats he hiding?

why isnt Bush investigating it? whats he hiding?

How do you know its not getting investigated? For all we know it was investigated and found to be false.

Nixon wasn't in Vietnam, Kerry was then came back and told lies to Congress regarding our military. He should apologize for that and he hasn't
saying that war crimes get committed during a war is the truth and anyone who denies it is the liar

saying that war crimes get committed during a war is the truth and anyone who denies it is the liar

Not when you accuse all of the military forces of committing them. That was false and he hasn't appologized for it. Ironically though, Kerry pulled back from that statement but he should apologize and he hasn't.

Hey I have an idea how about you quit bitching, and support you country, you goddamned hippie peice of shit, or move to canada if you hate it here so much, you are the very same draft dodging asshole who i would like deported.
if your gonna start deporting draft dodgers you can start with Bush

if your gonna start deporting draft dodgers you can start with Bush

You can start with Clinton. Bush at least served in the Texas National Guard.

Not denying that war crimes where committed! My beef with Kerry is that he said that ALL OF MILITARY FORCES were committing warcrimes and that was false. Besides, why should we elect a president that admitted he committed war crimes?

Have you actually read what Kerry said? Because he never said that all of the forces were committing war crimes. He simply pointed out that bad things were happening, that the boys they were sending over were undertrained, and that some of the higher ups were condoning war crimes. All of the above was true.

Not denying that war crimes where committed! My beef with Kerry is that he said that ALL OF MILITARY FORCES were committing warcrimes and that was false. Besides, why should we elect a president that admitted he committed war crimes?
because he has more integrity then an AWOL coward who allowed America to be attacked on 911 so he can wage an unjust war in Iraq for his own personal reasons

How do you know its not getting investigated? For all we know it was investigated and found to be false.

And you don't think Fox News would have jumped on that story? really...

Have you actually read what Kerry said? Because he never said that all of the forces were committing war crimes. He simply pointed out that bad things were happening, that the boys they were sending over were undertrained, and that some of the higher ups were condoning war crimes. All of the above was true.

And when they caught someone doing warcrimes, they prosecuted him. I guess the blew that out of the water.

And you don't think Fox News would have jumped on that story? really...

They probably would have if it was found to be true. Since it wasn't, why broadcast it?

How do you know its not getting investigated? For all we know it was investigated and found to be false.
how conveneint for him

because he has more integrity then an AWOL coward who allowed America to be attacked on 911 so he can wage an unjust war in Iraq for his own personal reasons

Again no proof that he went AWOL and it has been debunked and proved that he didn't go AWOL! Bush didn't allow 911 to happen either. If he could've stopped it he would've and the Iraq war was justified in my opinion.

People,

Its been fun debating but I have to go now. Going to spend time with my family so have fun.

You can start with Clinton. Bush at least served in the Texas National Guard.
CLinton opposed the war for moral reasons--Bush got failing grades in the Guard then used his daddys connections to run off without finishing while others were sent in his place--the guy who got Bush in the Guard for his political connections has since expressed his regret

I dunno. But the problem with the French is that they don't even have a word for entrepeneur.

Entrepeneur is originally a French word, just like Latrine and Resu'me'.

Religion IS a form of brainwashing. Back during the dark Ages, a hermit wrote a scribble on a piece of paper and told everyone that they were the written words ofgod himself, and he gained a following.

I view all religions that say "If you do/say or don't do/say [insert phrase or action here] bad things will happen to you, and possibly your loved ones" as cults. But then, that's my opinion.


remember: A PERSON is smart. People as a whole are dumb and irrational. The larger a congregation of people, the more irrational and dumb they will act, specifically when "faith" or crimes are involved.

I'm not saying that EVERYONE is brainwashed. Just the people who are outspoken about their faith. You know, like Mel Gibson.[Mel: Adam and Eve are TWO people that were never fetuses. That's TWO cigars!(I love the Daily Show)]

People,

Its been fun debating but I have to go now. Going to spend time with my family so have fun.
Have fun :) --(and Bush did too go AWOL otherwise he wouldnt have to hide and burn his military records the way he did)

He is, after all the democraticly elected leader of his country, even if he is a weasely hypocrite who four years ago was saying that the popular vote didn't matter - the electoral college was the thing - but this year aparently it's an all-important mandate of political capital.....

WOW, that is so true that it hurts us :( :( :(

A little food for thought, If Al Gore won his own homestate in 2000, Florida would have been moot. now to the 2004 election.


Democrats lost,for the plain and simple fact, that " hate Bush" is not enough to win a general election. and add into that mix John Kerry, who was not a likeable person, and add the Liberal lable, and he was toast.


Bush, like him or not, you know what his deal was, Kerry? still dont know what he ran on, I dont think he knew either.


my two cents.

He is, after all the democraticly elected leader of his country
NO HE ISN'T!!! In 2000 he wasn't elected! He didn't get to the seat legally-it was only through corruption that he 'won' Florida. Since he lost in '00, but was still ruling illegally, he got enough recognition to 'win' in '04, but he was only elected through earlier corruption!

NO HE ISN'T!!! In 2000 he wasn't elected! He didn't get to the seat legally-it was only through corruption that he 'won' Florida. Since he lost in '00, but was still ruling illegally, he got enough recognition to 'win' in '04, but he was only elected through earlier corruption!
Just get over it. He won FL in 2000. The recounts consistantly prove that.

ok, i read the first few pages (around 6 or so) but then i got bored, not that that really matters considering we are still talking about Bush winning the election in '00

Now my point here is- isnt this off-topic considering we started off talking about Rumsfield?

Ok: now that thats done with; I really really despise Bush, mainly for his handling of the Iraqi situation, but at least he did somthing the terrorist attacks....unlike Gore would've (my opinion) Gore would have just waited till the day before the election, Then declare war on Iraq, Afganistan, Cuba, England...or whoever else pissed him off.

To any Americans who voted for Kerry... move to Cuba.


...

Now if only we could get these damn pinko-commie-liberals to realize that the rich man is generally GOOD for this country because of all that he creates for workers and for companies (and hence our economy) ... if the libs can stop hating the rich man... stop wanting to punish success (think of how that affects the American Dream...)... maybe we can get back to being the ideal America.

We need to see each other as people, not colors/ethnicities.. racism cannot end when it is legislated. Laws cannot end racism, for it is an idea. Certainly laws that encourage racism... cannot end racism. lol

We need to value FREEDOM above all else (to me, that means i get to do, more or less, what I want to with what I've got).



Ahhh, these were the sorts of things i was looking for.

First off, move to Cuba? What on earth are you talking about? What, "well if you dont like it you can sod off somewhere else"?? Thats a total cop out, and it doesnt really get your speech about freedom off to a flying start. One of the great things about living in a country like America is that its a democracy. You dont have to bow down to anyone. What youre suggesting with that is that all Americans should be supporting Bush since hes still president, regardless of what thier personal opinions or votes are or were. Theres a lot of people whove made themselves very e-vocal that they dont really agree with many, if any, decisions Bush has made. You cant expect peopple to put up and shut up when they believe the country that they love is being run into the ground.

Im not all that hot on American domestic issues (American dream aside and all...) but its obvious a LOT od people want Bush to focus more on domestic issues. Theres that whole deal about the trillions and trillions surplus that turned into trillions and trillions decifit...the rising rates of unemployment for the typical working family...Im sure your ideas of idealistic America are great, but they dont seem to be heading that way under Bush.

Again, the whole "seeing each other as people". That really wuverly and schweet and brilliant, but alas, Bush and his goverment really arent going to be thinking about seeing people as induviduals, especially not seeing as states are voting to deny basic rights to homosexuals, and Bush is trying to amend athe constitution itself to ALLOW this discrimination! A lot of conservative, Bush-voting Americans are okay with this, but get totally up in arms about racism! (Im not suggesting you fall into this category or anything), my main point here is, when you wish for people to be seen as people, why are you supporting a man who quite clearly tries to influence his bigotry upon a partly-willing America?

Oh, and if you value freedom, then i really pity you. Its obvious to anyone, even me (i dont follow USA politics THAT much) that America is having its freedoms slowly strangled, being hidden by reassurances that its being done to make their people safer.

If you want an America that keeps your freedoms, sees people as equal induviduals, and helps the working man, then youre too involved in your American Dream to realise youre doing exactly the opposite by supporting Bush.

George W. Bush epitomizes what someone can accomplish if they are born into great wealth (regardless of intellect). Both the democrats and republicans are detrimental though. They each perpetuate the two party system, that which is slowly suffocating the integrity of American politics.

You can worry about the economy all you want, but both Republicans and Democrats destroy it. Human nature destroys the economy. Greed. Corruption. Unethical buisiness.

And all of you, stop whining. Complaining will get you nowhere. Carpe Deim!

The U.S. needs a clensing, and the only way is for their to be a breaking apart of the U.S. in the same fasion that happened to the Soviet Union.

You can worry about the economy all you want, but both Republicans and Democrats destroy it. Human nature destroys the economy. Greed. Corruption. Unethical buisiness.

And all of you, stop whining. Complaining will get you nowhere. Carpe Deim!

Im sorry, you appear to be whining and complaining too. Try forming a less vague opinion and maybe I wont think of you as a hypocrite.

democratically elected is quite a disputed point

with all of the vote and registration tampering by the republicans, there is no telling who actually "democratically" won the election truthfully. he is the "supposed" democratically elected leader
Not that it matters to you, since you couldn't be bothered with voting on Nov 2nd, because it clashed with your precious lunch hour!

Not that it matters to you, since you couldn't be bothered with voting on Nov 2nd, because it clashed with your precious lunch hour!

I'll be nice and save Chessie some time by cut n' pasting his standard diatribe...

"wow, you think of that all by yourself?
oh wait, no you didnt. ive seen it dozens of times, that means you are a subintelligent little dipshit who cant think of anything even HALF INTELLIGENT to post so you gotta look like a moron and go trolling. hoping to catch a goat?
i hope you choke on a horn and die"

:)

Just get over it. He won FL in 2000. The recounts consistantly prove that.
Bush was our first appointed President and bottom feeding republicans have subverted free elections in America

ok, i read the first few pages (around 6 or so) but then i got bored, not that that really matters considering we are still talking about Bush winning the election in '00

Now my point here is- isnt this off-topic considering we started off talking about Rumsfield?

Ok: now that thats done with; I really really despise Bush, mainly for his handling of the Iraqi situation, but at least he did somthing the terrorist attacks....unlike Gore would've (my opinion) Gore would have just waited till the day before the election, Then declare war on Iraq, Afganistan, Cuba, England...or whoever else pissed him off.
yeah Bush did something about terrorism alrite he ALLOWED terrorists to attack us on 911 and now he imported terrorism to Iraq--theres NO difference between Bush and Osama

Just get over it. He won FL in 2000. The recounts consistantly prove that.
"Just get over it".... I have grown to hate that phrase. No, we will not "get over it" and no, we will not shut up, leave the country, or do anything else that so many of you would like us to do. Until this adminstration admits that it was wrong to go to war Iraq and stops the madness, we will be here ranting, fighting, protesting and generally being a pain in your butts. I think this site states it more clearly than I do though.

http://www.hategun.com/features/getoverit/index.html

the people of the world must unite together to make sure that everything Bush tries to do he must fail at cause its only when Bush wins that evil triumphs

Have fun :) --(and Bush did too go AWOL otherwise he wouldnt have to hide and burn his military records the way he did)

No Proof so if I were you, I stop rehashing this ground!

NO HE ISN'T!!! In 2000 he wasn't elected! He didn't get to the seat legally-it was only through corruption that he 'won' Florida. Since he lost in '00, but was still ruling illegally, he got enough recognition to 'win' in '04, but he was only elected through earlier corruption!

And yet another democrat who says that Bush stole Florida. Don't force me to drag out the US Supreme Court Decision on this. I will if I have too but I rather not.

George W. Bush epitomizes what someone can accomplish if they are born into great wealth (regardless of intellect). Both the democrats and republicans are detrimental though. They each perpetuate the two party system, that which is slowly suffocating the integrity of American politics.

Finally, someone who hit the nail on the head! Have a cookie :)

You can worry about the economy all you want, but both Republicans and Democrats destroy it. Human nature destroys the economy. Greed. Corruption. Unethical buisiness.

And all of you, stop whining. Complaining will get you nowhere. Carpe Deim!

You win a cookie too! You are correct. Both sides do it so why blame one party or the other?

Bush was our first appointed President and bottom feeding republicans have subverted free elections in America

*Here's the BS alarm*

Boy if you still believe that, I have a bridge for sale in SF.

yeah Bush did something about terrorism alrite he ALLOWED terrorists to attack us on 911 and now he imported terrorism to Iraq--theres NO difference between Bush and Osama

He did not allow it to happen. That is conspiracy theory and there is no proof of it. Come up with something original.

Boo yah...Bush is a moron! He makes up words in his speeches. Please, tell me what the hell 'Misunderestimated' mean? Please, tell me!

This means that they thought we didn't have enough troops, truth is we didn't have enough common sense, so you see, they underestimated us in the wrong way. <---- don't believe that for a second, I'm not defending him, this year's election was a choice between a lunatic :headbang: and a warmonger :sniper: :mp5: anyway, so one way or another we're screwed. Truth is there probably aren't a great deal of Chrisitians (a majority in this country) who would vote for someone who says something like "God makes people gay." that mein freudes, is precisely crap.

is this about George Bush ?